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http://amoureternal.com/oti/Gravity/page1.htm
Any physicists care to weigh in on this wedding photographer's theory of gravity?

>> No.3281020

seems legit

>> No.3281053

"Proximity also plays a role as these particles from space can bend back around
an object.

After the Earth blocks the particles (creating the pressure difference that
attracts the moon), they begin to curve back around the Earth. If the distance between
the Earth and the moon were great enough, the particles would curl back around all the way. This event would fill up the space between the Earth and the moon with particles, and both objects would feel the force of the particles on all sides of them, abolishing any difference of force that once existed. Therefore, the closer together
two objects are, the less curling of the particles around the objects will occur, and the
there will be a greater difference of force." - Ryan Atkins. The problem is that the only literature I can find is from a wedding photographer (original link) and an award-winning student paper...

>> No.3281057

im going to read just because he cals it a hypothesis and not a theory.

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>>3281057
ouch
>semantics

>> No.3281076

if we still only had Newtonian gravity, it would have seem possible, but it cant explain general relativity, most notably time dilation and gravitational lensing.

>> No.3281111

>>3281076
could gravitational lensing be accounted for by electromagnetism? I'm sorry because my knowledge of physics is amateurish at best and I don't understand how time dilation relates to gravity.

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>>3280987
>weigh in on
>wedding photographer's theory of gravity

Fuck no. IGNORE THE BLATHERINGS OF DUMBFUCKS! THEY ARE JUST A FUCKIN WASTE OF TIME!

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>>3281111
>could gravitational lensing be accounted for by electromagnetism

NO

>> No.3281156

>>3281111

photons are neutral so they are not effected by electromagnetism, so no. at least not enough to explain gravitational lensing.
when you are in a large gravitational field, time passes more slowly, for example satellites that are far from earth experience time faster than people on earth.

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http://peswiki.com/index.php/PowerPedia:Tesla's_Dynamic_Theory_of_Gravity

>> No.3281180

>>3281156
thanks. Oh well, seemed like such a good idea at the time.

>> No.3281199

The entire thing is based on a strawman argument. No one ever said gravity is either a pushing or pulling force, just that there is an attraction between mass.

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>>3281156
>photons are neutral so they are not effected by electromagnetism

OMFG! YOU SAY THAT PHOTONS, THE FUCKING QUANTUM OF ELECTROMAGNETISM IS NOT EFFECTED BY ELECTROMAGNETISM? WTF?

HOW FUCKING RETARDED ARE YOU?

>> No.3281207

>>3281144
>weigh in on
>patent clerk's theory of warped spacetime instead of gravity

Not saying this site is to be taken seriously, but an argumentum ad hominem based on someones occupation should also not be taken seriously.

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>>3281156
Your post just lowered my IQ by 20 points!
FUCK YOU!

>> No.3281218

>>3281202
When you deflect a photon using an electric or magnetic field, let me know.

>> No.3281228

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SrHzSGn-I8
At about 8:00
Feynman to the rescue again.

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>>3281218
ARE YOU REALLY THAT FUCKING STUPID? YOU TROLLIN RIGHT? YOU CANT BE THAT FUCKING STUPID?

Yes, you can deflect photon with EM fields.....FUCKING DURRRR!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon

"a photon is an elementary particle, the quantum of the electromagnetic interaction"

ALL FUCKING ELECTROMAGNETIC INTERACTONS INVOLVE THE FUCKING PHOTON!

>> No.3281250

>>3281228
haha no kidding. i'm convinced.

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>>3281218
you are dumb as fuck

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>>3281218
>>3281156

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>>3281218

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>>3281202
>>3281217
>>3281244
>>3281253
>>3281263
>crazier than a coconut

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>>3281156
Why do you speak like an uneducated 10 year old with down syndrome?

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>>3281244
I dont see what your point is, photons cant couple with each other. if you want photons, real or virtual to effect each other you need to first create an electron positron pair and then have them interact. pic related.

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>>3281156
>photons are neutral so they are not effected by electromagnetism

>> No.3281296

>>3281284
which part?

>> No.3281305

>>3281290
>>3281284
>>3281278
>>3281263
>>3281253
>>3281244
>>3281217
>>3281202
someone is very bored in this thread.

>> No.3281320

light(visible or otherwise) is just electromagnetic radiation at very small wavelengths. As a comparison, AM radio is broadcast using wavelengths as big as 1km, while the largest wavelength for visible light is around 750nm (that's nanometers in case you're wondering) which appears to us as the color violet.

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>>3281288
ALL INTERACTIONS THAT ARE CALLED "ELECTROMAGNETIC" INVOLVE A FUCKING PHOTON! This is phys101 kid.

IT IS FUCKING RETARDED TO SAY THAT THE PHOTON IS NOT EFFECTED BY ELECTROMAGNETISM. THE PHOTON IS THE FUCKING CAUSE OF ELECTROMAGNETISM DUMBFUCK!

An electromagnetic interaction is a three point feynman vertix, where one of the LINES IS ALWAYS A FUCKING PHOTON. Charge travels through the other two lines, BUT MUST BE CONNECTED ADJACENTLY TO THE PHOTON TO DO SO!

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>>3281156
Are you christian by any chance? You sound as dumb as one.

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>>3281326
I hope you don't yell all the time in real life...

>> No.3281336

Don't know if troll or just stupid:

Photons are not deflected by electric or magnetic fields: The average electric and magnetic field of a photon is 0.

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>>3281336
YOU ARE A FUCKING STUPID WHORE
I HOPE YOU GET FUCKING AIDS!

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>>3281336
What is with all these dumbshits on /sci/? Shouldn't you be off talking to an imaginary friend somewhere?

>> No.3281363

>>3281326
o I get it, im being trolled. you still haven't explained how a photon gets deflected with a electromagnetic field. (protip, they cant accelerate and thus can only change direction because of the curvature of space aka gravity)

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>>3281336
I HOPE YOU GET RAPED TONIGHT! FUCKIN RAPED!

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>>3281363
What is an EM field made of? Do you even fucking know?

>> No.3281378

>>3281374
virtual photons, which cant act on real photons.

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>>3281363
You aren't being trolled kid. You are just stupid. Either STFU or GTFO.

>> No.3281386

>>3281363
it's funny i abandoned this thread but a dedicated troll kept it alive for me. so long as i have u here could i ask if gravity could be an extended consequence of the electromagnetic force a la Tesla?

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>>3281378
You are telling me an EM field is made entirely of virtual photons? Seriously, where are you getting such bullshit from? Are you just making this bullshit up? Do you realize how fucking retarded you sound?

In anycase, YOU ARE FUCKING WRONG. Try again. What is an EM field made of?

There are some "virtual photons" occuring, but they occur for very short amount of time, sporadically.

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Nobody wants to bring up the lone apple?

>> No.3281397

>>3281386
The only plausible theory is one where you have some extra dimensions and you get gravity and electromagnetism as 2 consequences of the same force. but I forgot the name.

>> No.3281403

>>3281393
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_particles#Manifestations

gtfo

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>>3281393
An EM field is charged particles, photons, and virtual photons.

Photons interact with charged particles. IT IS THE MOTHER FUCKING FUNDMENTAL DEFINTION OF THE ELCTROMAGNETIC INTERACTION! ALL you need are two charge particles and a photon to have an electromagnetic interaction.

>> No.3281407

>>3281393
soo, what? its real photons? that must be why my magnets is to fucking bright all the time.

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>>3281403
YOU ARE SERIOUSLY FUCKING RETARDED. YOU ARE SAYING THAT THE EM FIELD IS JUST VIRTUAL PHOTONS.

Visible Light in a FUCKING EM FIELD! YOU saying that visible light is made of virtual (not real) photons?

TAKE YOU STUPIDITY AND ROT IN HELL YOU FUCKING FAGGOT!

There are real and virtual photons in an EM field. They are being constantly exchanged by charged particles (also making up the fucking field).

>> No.3281432

>>3281407
if the wavelengths are sufficiently large, or small, enough you would not be able to see it. But that's not the fucking point. you cannot see virtual particles regardless.

>> No.3281435

ITT

One troll samefags 28 posts to make it seem like he's not alone in his bullshit. Kicker: He's not actually a troll, just a very obnoxious idiot.

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>>3281435
ITT: underage faggots think that only charged particles participate in the Electromagnetic interaction

>> No.3281448

>>3281435
>One troll
>He's not actually a troll

you're inconsistancies in your theory bother my rational brainhole

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>>3281156
out!

>> No.3281453

>>3281430
yes, you are correct. I have seen the light (no pun intended) I will from now on always listen to people who post in half caps. because i NOW SEE THAT THE FUNDAMENTAL PARTICLE IS MADE UP OF THE THING WHICH IS MADE UP FROM THE SAME FUNDAMENTAL PARTICLE.

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>>3281453

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>>3281453
I HOPE THE DEVIL EXISTS, CAUSE I WANT HIM TO TORTURE YOU FOR ETERNITY!

>> No.3281485

>>3281448
The first part was the plot. The second part was the twist at the end.

>> No.3281489

The hypothesis would also predict that motion would be slowed by these particles when orbiting each other. Which doesn't match observations.

>> No.3281493

>>3281485
gtfo M. Night Shyamalan

>> No.3281497

That's obviously a troll, but it's still obnoxious.

It's like saying water gets wet because when you get something else wet, water is involved.

>> No.3281503

>>3281489
Elaborate, please? Can you explain how it predicts that? I'm not seeing it...

>> No.3281513

>>3281503
Watch >>3281228