/sci/ - Science & Math

That sounds like a brilliant idea. The symbol could perhaps be a necklace that has beads with all the different religious symbols on it in a circle, with an atheist symbol as one of the beads as well.
Do atheists have a symbol?

All the beliefs should be respected because atheists can not prove that there is no God but theists can not prove that there is one.

>>3257100

I can't prove a unicorn isn't furiously thrusting its 14 inch dong into my mouth right now

>>3257111
its an invisible an incorporeal unicorn of course.

>>>/b/
>>>/soc/
>>>/adv

>the Theist Atheist Alliance Organization (TAAO, said like Tao)
>mfw

>>3257111
its an invisible and incorporeal unicorn of course.

>>3257077
I don't know what to think about this idea.
It's not the most briliant ever but at no means most retarded

>>3257100
>Do atheists have a symbol?
Atheism isn't a religion. There is no official symbol
Maybe the A symbol is closes to being one but it's not one.

>All the beliefs should be respected because atheists can not prove that there is no God but theists can not prove that there is one.
No they shouldn't

>>3257100

>>3257125
The A one pretty much is a symbol for Atheism. A stylized one.

>>3257130
>>3257119
>>3257115
>>3257111

>The kind of people who would oppose such a unity.

>>3257193
I used to be catholic and now im atheist. Honestly I don't care about what people believe but I think they should just keep it to themselves unless asked.

Opinion really means very little

Thats a fucking stupid idea OP, it will obviously just spiral down into religious debate every fucking 'session' you have or whatever. what would you even do?
secondly, their beliefs arn't to be respected if they are plain wrong and have no evidence at all.

I don't see the angle, I'm afraid. Could you restate your goals?


It's just, an organisation specifically FOR superstitiousfags and reductionistfags to get together and not fight is silly. They do that all the time in dozens of organisations, it's the whole point of being secular.

Any organisation set up to be both, to include both, should be about argument. Both positions deserve to be argued down, ripped to pieces. If you can't defend your position, if you just hold it because you've never thought about anything else, you're a child. And if people were mature, and honest, this could happen without the need for a framing organisation, but people just aren't.

>>3257100
god damn hippy. FYI there is an atheist symbol. pic related.
we can't prove here isn't an invisible 20 foot unicorn either, but that doesnt make the likelyhood of its existence and none existence 50/50, and does NOT mean that these types of rediculous beliefs deserve any kind of respect.

>>3257193

The idea is kind of retarded at it's core. The Christian and most religious doctrine say essentially that 'outsiders' either be converted or killed.

And no self-respecting irreligious person could really be ok with the willful ignorance of religion.

Not much else to say, except that this isn't science related....

>we can coexist peacefully without hating one another and respecting everyone's beliefs

There are plenty of beliefs (both secular and religious) which do not deserve respect. The concept of the burqa, for example — or any of the hateful misogynist ideas that have historically permeated Abrahamic religions — are terrible notions and should be combated. Likewise with respect to the terribly retributive forms of punishment and law which our culture still clings to (i.e. all the "free-will" based bullshit). And the various communism-related restrictions on religion (yes, I don't like religion, but I don't think it should be legislated against).

If by respect you mean tolerate, I can "respect" really watery deist-style religion which makes very few testable claims... but when the faithful start making concrete claims about the knowable universe (e.g. resurrection bullshit) they cannot and SHOULD NOT expect freedom from critique... and enabling them to go around feeling entitled to freedom from critique is doing them an incredible disservice. It's like keeping a sick kid in a bubble for years after their illness has passed...

So, I dunno. I wouldn't be particularly supportive of the institution myself because I don't give most religious claims any credence. Insofar as choices between relatively innocuous faiths are concerned, I don't respect them anymore than I respect preference of chocolate over vanilla. Furthermore, I thoroughly dislike and fight against any claims (religious or irreligious) where they are poorly evidenced and/or where they prevent genuine societal progress...

I would welcome a place where people could engage in civilized discourse over such topics, as I find cognitive dissonance and myth very interesting, but I would probably end up being more of a thorn in everyone's side than anything else.

EK is a MEAN JERK.

>>3257130
Hey fuck you! She's my friend.

>>3257279

I'd imagine retards get along well with retards.

It's only logical...

>>3257290
cunt.

>>3257300

>>3257300
that_black_guy_pointing_and_smiling_with_the_caption_'umad'.jpg

>>3257269

>>3257111
beat you to the unicorn thing, and did a much better job of it too.

>>3257269
Why do you not have a spell checker?

>>3257434
because i dont give a fuck, you still understood perfectly what i meant you fucking aspie.
umad i spelt 'ridiculus' wrong?
well fuck you!

>>3257447
Is it time you got off the computer?

>>3257447

Ahhh EK.... I used to hate you, now I just pity you.

>>3257447

lol that bitch so mad

>>3257447
I'm beginning to seriously wonder whether someone's stolen EK's trip.
@OP unless there's some serious tension at your school over religion, I'd suggest you don't bother. Most people who don't care about others' religious beliefs aren't all that interested in joining teams.
On the other hand, if there are some issues, speak with your headteacher, or staff at the school, rather than trying to organise something student-up. If you do so, you could end up offending them that they weren't consulted, and have enemies even though you don't want to cause trouble.

>>3257470
no1 has stolen this one, but there are a few other EK's such as EK-WYU, who is a massive cunt by the way.

guess what time it is

>>3257487
You are a massive cunt today.

Atheists and theists can be friends and have been for years, it's just on 4chan that they become douchebags. There is no need for a group like this and anyway, only 1 perspective makes sense - atheism. It was everyone agrees on after all.

>>3257487
You're either drunk or you have mental problems, then. Your behaviour is hugely inconsistent.

Just might work. Technically I identify with Christianity, but my unorthodox views often mean I get along better with atheists and others with unconventional beliefs.

You won't exactly attract people from the mainstream crowd, but I think with the right core group of people you could make it work.

Just curious, what will your student organization do?

this is now a costanza thread

>>3257487
I'm not a cunt. I just have a wicked sense of humour whereby I enjoy tormenting people to see how easy it is to get back on their good side. I make a game of it. All social interaction is a game for me. I always win eventually.

>>3257506
Oh yeah, I'm also bordering on schizophrenia since I can't help posting with and without a trip.

I've created so many arguments between myself by the way.

I'm not a cunt, i'm just crazy.

>>3257495
how the fuck is his inconsistent??

>>3257506
>posting without WYU trip
no. you lose.
fuck you, thats a horrible thing to do to play people like that.

>>3257505

No need to sage

>>3257506
hahahahahahahaha

>>3257525
It's not horrible, it's a game. how can a game be horrible?

>>3257525
You're normally quite logical and tend to avoid cognitive dissonance (I cannot into grammar therefore grammar cannot into importance).
You regularly post images and yet have stopped doing so when someone talked about them a few days ago

>>3257506
You should not do that. Upsetting people just for a game is not a good way to behave. Did you upset EK?

>>3257525
sorry but EK i have to intervene here, at times you act like a professional intelligent scientist and at other times you are act like a retarded 12 year old faggot. I've seen you answer questions and debate theories concisely and yet you seem to just be annoying and trolling and pathetic every so often. You just post 'umad.png' images and post nonsensical faggotry (see >>3257462.)

why can't you just be the /sci/entist i used to love EK, WHY...

love ma harriet. simply love ma harriet!

I know the human being and fish can coexist peacefully.

>>3257554
She is actually bipolar. She has random mood changes a lot.

>>3257571
Can she stop calling people aspie twats as it is very upsetting given my condition.

>>3257571
I told you not to fucking post that you cunt! delete it!

>>3257571
No, Bipolar is over weeks or months.
>>3257580
Not only are you on the internet, you're also on 4chan.
>>3257582
see above. Even Rapid cycling bipolar is only about one change every two months.

>>3257583
>not only are you on the internet, you're also on 4chan.

well put my friend. Oh, may I ask what that code is above your posts?

big bipolar EK

>>3257592
A tripcode. It's a pseudorandom sequence of characters, and there's no easy way of getting exactly what you want, but there are programs you can use to try millions of tripcodes for specific pieces of text. To make one, put 1-2 hashes and then a sequence of up to 9 characters in the Name field.
>>3257593
EK isn't exhibiting the symptoms of Bipolar.

>>3257616
You are nice

>>3257616
What is it then? Just mood swings? Is that normal?
I've seen her report and complain about homework threads, and sometimes she posts in them and answers them. It makes no sense.

>>3257646
Essentially. She seems to swing between being pretty sensible and the kind of person who we don't mind to being incapable of typing a sentence.

>>3257665
Seems to flip between being cute and helpful to being the biggest angriest bitch of all time.

>>3257677

When has she ever been cute and helpful?

Is trolling cute to you?

>>3257683
When she posts that russian chick.

What got deleted? What did i miss?

>>3257687

>>3257665
>>3257677
i still dont care what you faggots think.

>>3257688
nothing important. ignore it.

>>3257687
lol.
http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/sci/image/zFuf-vvQoYuu_z5SqAdm6g
also, she's romanian, not russian, you dumbfuck.

>>3257688

Just go to green-oval and search for "EK","retarded", and "shit".

You're bound to find this thread...

>>3257688
Harriet posted saying EK was Bipolar (which she <span class="math">{isn't}[/spoiler])
>>3257705
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streissand_effect

You might be bipolar, in fact, but you're not exhibiting symptoms of it.

>>3257719
exactly, im not. harriet has no fucking idea what she's talking about.

>>3257725
When why the inflammatory reaction?
and why are you acting so differently?

>>3257688
http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/sci/thread/3257077#p3257571
You missed that.

Another EK thread, this is just great.

Well according to that post my theory is that EK = Harriet = EK
If this were true then EK has some serious trouble.

>>3257719
EK would be more MDD than bipolar.

>>3257739

>tries to be pedantic
>doesn't know MDD and bipolar are the same thing

>>3257739
Whats that?

>>3257756

Manic-Depressive Disorder aka Bipolar

>>3257753
Major depressive disorder isn't the same as manic or bipolar depressive disorders. MDD can cause spikes in one's personal energy that leads them to relay their anger out on people or an internet board, but that's only a few and meager characters that it shares with bipolar disorders.

I personally think EK's autistic/Asperger's, or BPD.

So which one does EK have?

>>3257781
Lol, i hope she has aspergers. She take the piss out of them all the time.

>>3257785

FRD: Faggot Retard Disorder.

She constantly switches between being a faggot and a retard.

>>3257775
Nope, MDD and bipolar are synonymous.
>>3257781
She doesn't match Asperger's. None of us are qualified enough to make any diagnoses.

>>3257802
>Nope, MDD and bipolar are synonymous.
If that's the case, logic, and line-of-thought, then you lack sufficient experience to differentiate between major depressive disorder, manic depression, and bipolar I and II.

>>3257790
Yep
http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/sci/?task=search2&ghost=&search_text=aspie&search_dat
efrom=&search_dateto=&search_username=ek&search_tripcode=&search_del=dontcare&se
arch_img=dontcare&search_spo=dontcare&search_int=dontcare&search_ord=new

>>3257790
At least she isn't as bad as Scientist's autism.

>>3257811
http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publications/bipolar-disorder/complete-index.shtml

>What is bipolar disorder?
>
>Bipolar disorder, also known as manic-depressive illness

I was assuming you were referring to Manic Depressive, which is the only thing I've heard referred to as MDD in the past.

>>3257843
>At least she isn't as bad as Scientist's autism.

Both of them combined don't have shit on CCM's autism.

>>3257802
She has something but I am not sure what it is called. She was taking pills to treat it.

>>3257873

bitch goes to see a psychiatrist. HAHAHHA what a nigger.

Her mom probably died when she was little. lol dumb bitch.

>>3257873
I thought i told you to fuck off!?

>>3257873
>>3257873
>She was taking pills to treat it.
Okay so probably not Asperger's or any of kind autism. But I still suspect some kind of depression-related disorder.

>>3257887
What is it?

>>3257887
I thought you had gone.

>>3257887

You sound buttangry.

>>3257887

Hey, you told everyone about her virginity, she can talk about your pills..

get the FUCK off

REPORTED TWICE, SENT ANOTHER EMAIL TO MOOT

I AM PART OF LULZSEC AND I WILL HACK YOU IF YOU DONT GTFO NAO!@!1

>>3257915
Yes but this is private. No1 fucking cares if shes a virgin or not. she wasn't even mad, she would have said something.

>>3257873
>>3257887
>>3257910
You are the same person right?
So how could the other one post without the other?

This would explain many of the crazy things you do in here.

>>3257923
except that she is hardly ever on, and i am on most days.

>>3257922
She did say something.
What do you have?

b4849469@klzlk.com if you don't want to post it here.

>>3257936

lol internet psychiatry.

Also, she did say something, and not everyone confronts someone when they do something they don't like.

>>3257922
Honey, just because somebody doesn't say something doesn't mean they weren't bothered by it. Sometimes they can be too miffed about it to say or show anything at first. lrn2socialrules

>>3257935
Yes, that is probaby part of your personality split.
You only bring her up when there is a need for it or you are stuck on the Harriet mode.

For example this
>>3257582
Why would she delete her post just because you said so?
Why do you always post almost simultaineously?
Why?

There is no shame in mental problems. Share them and we will understand you better.

>>3257958

EK and Harriet are not the same person, we've already confirmed that.

>>3257982

Oh, and this was before harriet had a trip.

She got a tripcode because she was impersonated.

>>3257982
you could have got a better picture. there was an entire thread made by conspiracyfag morons who thought we were the same. this was back when she didnt have a trip. one of the fucking anons in the thread posted pretending to be her and trolled me for a full half hour, before posting screenshots of himself proving that he had been posting as harriet. wait, i might be able to find it by same-searching this image
<<<

>>3257982
>>3257987
That is a good way to undermine your own evidence.
Imposter, maybe maybe not.

Well this theory of mine is not on too stable foundation. It's just based on observation and behaviour.
Still some form of mental problem seems to be in place here. What is the question.

>>3257997
found it
http://green-oval.net/cgi-board.pl/sci/thread/3166675#p3167309

i made her get a tripcode after that.

>>3257997
This too, considering the nature of the thread it must be taken into account that:
1) It could have been the imposter with negative EK bias
2) It could have been EK doing timed posts on purpoce to make herself and alibi.

In a normal thread even some person who has serious problems would not go for such lengths to hide his identity, but on a thread that is about the Harriet = EK it's much more likely to happen.

Still i don't jump to conclusions.

>>3258026
read the thread. i was trolled by a guy who called himself "head councilman from the Counsel for Reason and Fact."

while he was pretended to be harriet, i thought she had come back to the thread, so i posted and agreed with 'her' that we would both post at a specific time, exactly on the minute, to prove we wernt the same person.
this doesnt actually count for shit, seeing as it isnt real harriet, but the fact that i could be trolled so hard is kinda like a different sort of proof. if we were the same person, i'd have just been like "aha! you cant be real harriet because I am, so i know its not you"
...or something like that.
anyway, just read the thread, or at least the bottom half.

What is EK taking pills for?

>>3258048
none of your business!
i'm gonna fucking slap the shit outta her when get back. dumb fucking gossipy bitch.

>>3258047
Pretty sure i have couple of posts in that thread myself.

Well yes, it migh be so that you are not Harriet, but it migh be that you are.

You imagining that you have a roommate named Harriet seems reasonable. You could have just pulled that whole thing but it might bee too much.

Then the explanation is probably that you are not Harriet.

In all cases you seem to experienced some form of mental breakdown in the last couple of days.

>>3258094
Email the address I posted with what you have. I'm not going to post it here unless you tell me to.

>>3257502
If anything, my unorthodox views upset atheists because I don't conform to their stereotype of what a Christian is.

>>3258099
well we have quite different opinions on some things, she's very liberal and i have a 'no bullshit' stance on anything and everything thats not worth my time.
>In all cases you seem to experienced some form of mental breakdown in the last couple of days.
what are you talking about? referring to what?

>>3258108
what? no. i don't even know you. why would i tell one anonymous person if i dont want to tell several?

>>3258144
Probably because I have a reputation of sorts, whereas the rest of them don't.

literally every other club and organization in your school allows both christians and atheists. so this is literally pointless. what are you even going to talk about all day?

"Hi I'm christian"
"Hi I'm atheist."
"Let's get along!"
"OK cool!"
"So... uhh... what now...."
"I don't know..."

wow that's so cool op. a club where theists and atheists can get along wow! theres nothing else like it! me and my buddy wanted to join a club together at school but we weren't allowed because he's a muslim and i'm an atheist. the track and field club is theist only, robot club is only atheist. chess club was no atheists allowed. these are all official school rules, and it's the same at every high school in the world. there's just no such thing as a club where atheists and theists are both allowed to join together.

>>3258187
Where the hell are you from?

>>3258194
You're either very gullible or an exceptionally good troll. He was being sarcastic.

>>3258194
i'm from sarcastiland

Ugh, enough with this bullshit. The thing that is needed here is not for atheists to forcefully get along with theists. We have lived in a society that constantly tries to sugar-coat reality to the religious for as long as we have been around. The time for that is OVER. It is time to use the internet and academic circles to make the arguments that will begin the end of religion.

We can co-exist and we can get along, but we do not need inter-faith alliances for this. What we need is to utterly destroy the ignorant and misguided belief systems of old. This does not involve hatred or violence, but instead reasoned inquiry and critique. Atheists need to stop being cowards about their viewpoints.

OP here, aside all of the pointless posts about some tripfag, I must say I am dissapointed in most of you.

I was hoping to see others who were not so full of pride that maybe, just maybe there where others on 4chan who where not the EXACT SAME as the religous extremists who hate atheists.

Im done with this thread.

>>3258387
>>3258387

I know how you feel man, and I actually read this thread before and decided not to post (which I now regret).

For me, I usually wake up an atheist, spend my day as a somewhat spiritual person, and just end up being confused as fuck by the time I go to bed. I am never sure of anything, and after a while, it can get frustrating. What I do know is that life is too short to be fighting about everything all the time. I think the real bad guy in this whole thing isn't religious people. I don't think it's atheists. It's the "Us vs. Them" mentality we always have. We need to start looking at everyone as an individual person, even if a certain group has a large amount of douches in it. There are so many damn people that believe in God, and there are so many damn people that believe in nothing, that narrowing them into two separate groups and blaming one or the other for the problems of the world is just ridiculous. We just need to try to find common ground.

I've noticed that when people are kind as hell, I try to find common ground with them regardless of how much my opinion differs from theirs, and vice versa, to the point that whatever we had clashing views on becomes irrelevant.

As for your group, I say go for it. Just make sure you don't lose sight of what you wanted to accomplish in the first place. As for activities, how about everything BESIDES philosophy? It would probably be a blast to realize how much people have in common, aside from what they believe is the meaning of life.

>>3258224
>> It is time to use the internet and academic circles to make the arguments that will begin the end of religion.

look up "cognitive dissonance" and you'll realize why rational arguments never work. and that people of faith will continue to believe no matter how many times you prove them wrong. at best all your arguments are doing is preventing some fence sitters from falling to the theists.

Heres an idea: Have theists and atheists unite together in reporting, hiding, and saging religion threads on /sci/.

if you're a theist just imagine how frustrated you'd be with someone who believes that the lord of the rings is completely 100% factual. imagine pointing out to him that jrr tolkien was just a man who wrote a story. imagine showing him the science proving middle earth never happened. imagine the smug look on his face as he's not even listening, he tells you that you're wrong and going to hell. nothing you say will make him stop believing in middle earth. now imagine that the majority of all the people you've ever met also believe in middle earth.

now you understand how an atheist feels