/sci/ - Science & Math

Eeeeeh.

It's amazing.

They may accidentally face their own insecurities about their own bodies and the opposite sex. And that makes them uncomfortable.

completely qualitative, no math required, no concreteness, most of the stuff is bullshit like evolution

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it's useful

It's boring.

It's really boring, at least through high school and early undergrad. Not worth it.

physicists are jelly they havent discovered anything useful for the past 1000 years

hey biologyfags, a question.
How did the chromosome evolve?
I mean, I know that in sexual reproduction chromosomes are crossed and the species evolve that way, but how did the mechanism itself come to existence?

Speaking for myself?

I hate living things. They are gross, disorderly and filthy. They make me sick.

As for the discipline itself, not enough rigour.

>>3199593
Biology in highschool was very qualitative with little to no math, diagrams all over the place, and almost no interchangability of neat facts.

>>3199760
0/10

>>3199593
We don't hate biology, we hate premeds. Just so happens that most of them major in biology.

I really find stuff like this fascinating:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9KTDz-ZisZ0

Even the videos from the same channel of mRNA transcription impress me.

It's not hard science. No math = not hard science.

It's science, but barely.

ppl shitting on science and medicine are fackin mental, srsly, the superiority complex is so so unnecessary and silly

I love biology. Living things are beautiful. I also really like the words Flora and Fauna.

is this biology? i cant see from the thumbnail. if it is ill dump the rest, if not ill try find something that is

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>>3199789
I think it's computer science, with a hint of sex ed.

Math and Physics make you feel like a god, controlling the world around you.

Biology is a constant reminder your ass is grass.

Basically because the only interesting results of biology are DNA and evolution, and maybe we should really attribute those to medicine. Beyond that biology is glorified agriculture and cataloging.

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>>3199801
oh you did not just go their

Biology<Medicine<Physics<Engineering<<<<<<<<<Chemical Engineering. It's a fact.

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>>3199824
A true fact is that Everything<<<Law

Biology is the science of why most mathematicians can't get a date. There's a sharp sense of bitterness in them at it's mention.
Pic related.

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>>3199742
THANK YOU!! it's bullshit theories!!! Fuck useless sciences!! Engineering for the motherfucking win!!! I'm not saying engineering is the only way to go but until I see a branch of science that is contributing more than engineering, fuck all the rest.

What about... genetic engineering?

they just like to feel superior in any way they can, putting down other sciences and thinking theirs is best. just like religious people. smart people don't dislike biology

Biochemfag here guys, I hear that theres now no mathematics in Biology?

Molecular modelling, Bioinformatics, Mathematical epidemiology, spatial modelling and calorimetry all looks like mathematics to me.

I'm sure there's some loophole that makes all these things somehow fit into a different niche than Biology, maybe no-one told us Britfags not to use the holy of holy, mathematics?

>>3199835
Be more specific.

Some people are better at learning names/words and other equations. Those who are good at names/words prefer biology, those who are good at equations prefer physics, those who are decent at both prefer chemistry

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>>3199801
>Molecular biology
>no interesting results exept DNA
>whatthefuckisthisguyon?

You should read through Alberts. It's really mindblowing what they've been able to find out in the field of molecular biology. Biology is probably adding to the human knowledge more than anything else right now. (not trying to step on anyone's toes here. Of course physics is the best science.)

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I'll just leave this here.

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>>3199883
Easy mode: Biology
Hard Mode: Physics
Expert Mode: Chemistry
GOD MODE: Chemical Engineering

so many trolls itt

I'm just gonna go back over there and continue my stem cell research while you guys argue which science is "best"

>>3199897
And I'll just leave this here.

>it's not as "pure" as math/physics

If you let such a silly reason stop you from aquiring knowledge in certain fields then you are pathetic.

>>3199860
engineering can't even make machines as efficient or powerful as molecular motors

talk to me when you can do that

>durr biology is a science
>implying real science has no math
>implying biology isn't soft science at best
>derp

>>3199943
>implying I didn't just calculate how much of each of my small molecules I need to add to my media to direct the differentiation of stem cells

check and mate

>>3199943

>Implying biology has no math.

>>3199883

that's the biggest load of bullshit ever. Science shouldn't be about memorising anything. It should be about gaining a better understanding reality, helping you educate and enlighten yourself.

A true /sci/entist aquires whatever knowledge they want and fit it into a single grand understanding of the world. They do classify knowledge by "fields".

>>3199945
Not the same guy you were talking with but.
Biologist still can't either, talk to me when eva 00 is ready.

I use linear algebra and diff e q all the time in ecology.

Then again, I'm a grad student and not a high schooler who thinks AP bio is actual representation of the science.

>>3199957
are you seriously talking about evangelion?

>>3199943
>implying science needs math
>implying biology has no math
>doesnt realize biology has more evidence backing it up than physics
>doesnt realize that makes physics a lesser science than biology

>physicists don't believe in evolution

If you biofags really need to know why everyone hates you, read this thread. No, don't fucking reply until you read the whole thread.

All of you are egotistical bastards.

>>3199972
>implying physicists aren't egotistical

oh you

>>3199965
problem?

Biology has little to no mathematics and little to no real laws. Biologists are made fun of by physicists and chemists all around the world.

Notice how there are not that many Asians in biology? Kind of telling, huh?

>the more you know

>>3199975
Why do physicists have to do with anything? We're talking about biofags here.

Fuck, you guys are proving my point even more.

>>3199977

Your trips followed by dubs are more impressive than your shit-tier troll attempt.

>>3199977

That explains the general state of most Asian countries.

>>3199977
>Notice how there are not that many Asians in biology?

Hmmm, I take it you've never actually worked at a research university before. Well I've worked at two and let me tell you this is completely incorrect

Biology alone is just information gathering and memorization. Biologists are annoying because they spend years reading books about facts and then call themselves smart when they can recall those facts.

Biochemistry, that is, the part of biology that actually requires chemistry, math, and physics - that actually takes some ability.

>Father and mother studied Oceanography
>Degree is fucking amazing, the teachers are great
>Last year of the degree is to specialize
>Chemistry or physics.
>Father picks chemistry, Mother picks physics.
>Biology is just a bland field, just a starter to real fields.

>>3199966
Cool story, bro.

i am disappoint in that these bigoted and ignorant kids are the future of science :/

>>3200002
>implying biochemistry is the only part of biology that uses math

I guess you've never had to make a phylogenetic tree

>>3200014
>implying any of them will actually do real science

I'm actually a real Biochemist, not an Undergrad, not a wannabee, I can assure you that, in my experience, when people actually working in science cooperate in order to formulate a solution to an problem, they don't waste time feuding amongst themselves as to who has the purest approach.

Politeness, you might think, but actually it's professional courtesy, for the kiddies amongst you, that's how proper well-educated grown ups choose to behave toward each other.

While I'm hardly an expert in every area of biological mathematics, I am frequently called upon to use ICT (isothermal calorimetric titration) in my own area of work, I can assure you that it wouldn't function without a sound understanding of mathematical principles.

Troll food. - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_and_theoretical_biology

I blame the blandness of the curricula. The real interesting parts of Biology are at the frontiers e.g. Genetics, Neuroscience, Evolutionary Theory. While the curricula tends to generalise into uninteresting topics learnt by rote (Granted, this is necessary in order to give each sub-field a chance).
Hell I'd change from Math & Physics to Neuroscience/Genetics/Evolutionary Theory anyday if I could skip the unnecessary boring parts and go into research

>>3200002

>Implying that research level biology isn't about understanding the vast complexity of living organisms and applying that understanding to discover new information, develop better research tools and technology.

>>3200039
>doesn't even have his degree yet
Oh the weather in stem cell research land is pretty good. Next week's forecast calls for solutions to problems that matter, like disease cures.

Biology is #2 after physics IMHO. Physics major here, and I find biology quite fun. You can actually imagine processes just like you can at least try to imagine physics.

People don't like biology because we're entering our golden age and they're jelly of us.

It's pretty much as simple as that

banks employing biologists to help them understand the economic crisis because they are used to looking at the most complex systems and finding the causal factor in the chain of events leading to an effect. Jus' sayin.

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...and then came the financial crysis, ... well done faggots

To answer OP's question, the haters of biofags are the little runts who get up on their high horse and find pleasure from trying to lessen sciences with more practical applications by calling it less pure. Well done, you're science is more pure, gg guys.
Essentially, they're over compensating.

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...after the economic crisis.
L2think

>>3199763

A chromasome is a small, tightly packed string of DNA that is mixed with proteins, then looped and coiled many many times.

Now, ask me where DNA and Proteins evolved from.

Biology requires no maths= 0/10 shitty troll, not even mad.

Thats why all Biology/ Biology related degrees at Uni require at least a year of Statistics. That's why you'll get turned down for the course if you haven't done higher level Maths at High school.

Sick one, don't be jelly that I'm slaving away, trying to cure cancer, when certain scientists are sitting around, chatting theoretics and not actually helping anyone.

Then again, when was science ever aimed at the betterment of mankind??

Do I dislike biology? No.
Do I respect biologists? Yes.
Is biology a (natural) science? Yes.
Is biology hard? Not to me. I find it very easy, which is why I switched to mathematics. To each his own.

Ask me biology related questions!!!

I'm bored :|

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Like what?

>>3200296

Like shit you don't understand about certain biology topics

>>3200304

Why haven't we cured cancer?

>>3200312

Keeps changing, mutating and evolving. Quicker then we can actively target it, and just it.
The cancer treatments we have currently are ok. However, to permanantly cure it, we would have to cure many other factors that cause cancer.
We would have to eliminate obesity, smoking, drinking, any unnessicary risk-factors

people hate biology because they know in their hearts there's some dickhole scientist inventing a new plague

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Sup?

>>3200292
why does prolonged stress diminish the immune response but short bursts of stress is actually good for organisms

Biochemistfag here. I think the truth is that people look so heavily down on biology because you require atleast 2 years of your college experience learning the language. engineering/physics majors watch them do nothing but memorize words and structures with no application, and disregard them before they watch us apply the tools/language later on in some of the genuine classes. They get to do that from the start, and we have to wait a while longer, but anyone who's gone far enough knows the complexities and beauty involved.

>>3200312
Why is it called "Cancer"?
I'm lazy to wikipedia it and its nicer hearing(reading) it from a human.

>>3200334

Stress is a psycho-biological occurance.
There's 2 types of stress, Eustress and distress.
Eustress makes you work better because when stress you release amounts of adreneline/ other shit.
This helps you, both pysically and mentally.
However, distress is bad because the brain percevies the stressor as being too high to be delt with using what you've currently got, resource wise. Which is why HUGE amounts of adreneline are released, this causes a period of eustress, followed by a much longer period of distress, in this time, nor-adreneline and other shit is released.
This tries to undo the physical changes that occure due to adreneline being released. If the stressor is still there, then adreneline will still be released. This makes your body increasingly tired/ worn.
Eustress= good= short period/ manageable.
Distress= bad= longer period/ unmanageable.

>>3200334
Furthermore, "Good" is a value judgement.
Eustress makes you work better, yes, but it does so with the trade-off of chemical resources, such as dopamine, seritonin, and other neurotransmitters, like GABA.

>>3200351

Cancer= latin for crab.
Cancerous tumors look a bit like crabs

No joke. That's why.

I like turtles.

>>3200292

You a psychologist??

>>3200407

Good input.

>>3200413

Yes, sort of.
I studied Psychology, Biology and Statistics in 6th form, then went and did Joint honours bio/ psych at uni. Now I'm trying to choose which to do a PHD in.

>>3200423

Ok, Psychology man!
Explain to the class how humans discovered stress was a "thing".

>>3200430

Well, the scientific understanding came about with Seyle in 1951 (?). He was injecting rats with shit (blatant /b/tard, doing it for the lulz) When he realised they were all gettign peptic ulcers and dying.

Started injecting them with saline solution, they still got ulcers and cancers and shit.

Realised it was the stress of him chasing them around, trying to catch them and giving them daily injections that was causing their pathology, not the actually injected material.

im a junior thinking about majoring in biochem.
the reaction mechanisms behind gene transcription, translation, and expression even in prokaryotes is beyond anything we've witnessed before.
my niece is going into chemE, and is taking general biology, she says its very easy but like someone else said this is just the "algebra" or "language" of our studies

>>3200440

Do it bro!!

>>3200395
oh thank you! do you hve such image of the resemblance?

I don't underestimate Biologist, I have mad respect for them. I'm an engineer and I work in electronics field; my area is quality, and sometimes my boss gets angry with us if quality in products is worse, but when things are becoming worse I just remember to myself that at least these products are just luxuries for people. Bio/Med guys might have more responsibilities for mankind, so I salute you biologist!

>>3200292

why is the phylocode better than the linnean system?

i'll wait for you to google

It's probably because people usually relate it to memorizing species, their habitats, etc. which is more ecology and that IS extremely boring.

However any biology field that is on a sub-organism level is completely awesome.

>>3200453
so far I've taken micro, genetics, and organic 1&2. and just imaging all of those being in one course, sounds really fun and interesting. I'll have a minor in chemistry on the way

>>3200465

I respect the Engineer,having such a wideranging career baffles me.

My friend tried and failed to fully explain his job to me.

And no, unfortunately I do not own a picture of a crab, next to a similar looking Cancerous growth XD

Although, makes sense, since the star sign: cancer, has the icon of a crab :)

>>3200467

Fuck off!!

First define "better"

The bi-nomial system is recognised by EVERYONE. The way Karly wanted it!
You mention phlogeny to someone and they'll shit themselves.
You say taxonomy and they'll pop an artery.

You say Homo sapiens and they'll be like: ya?

>>3200467

Also, don't be so fucking stuck up, this is precisely why people don't like biologists.

>>3200525
yea he might be stuck up but you cant say
engineers and physicist are humble

>>3200508

shit troll or dumb?

phylogenetic nomenclature >> made up groups

clades are real. phyla, classes, orders are not. we made them up and they are nigger rigged to work with evolution.

aves is a clade nested in archosauria, which is nested in reptillia. but reptillia and aves are both classes.

lolwut?

>>3200534

Ok then, take the ammino-acid sequencing technique of classification, and then tell me why our K,P,C,O,F,G,S works perfectly with it?

Or in plants the DNA sequencing system?

It may be "nigger rigged" but it was rigged by some smart niggers.

>>3200534
and this is the most useless part of biology. anons

>>3200550

I do agree, the binomial system has taken us this far.
As soon as we truely unlock the genome, we can just classify organisms based puely on that.

THEN WE'LL BE GOD'S!!!

>>3200548

it doesn't work perfectly with it. if a phylogeny changes every name of everything needs to change.

if a suporder becomes an order? oh shit nigger now EVERYTHING under it has to have a name change down to genus.

there is no such thing as an order. it is fucking pointless to make made up bins and stuff organisms in them.

it is more logical to name actual evolutionary events. the rise of mammals? yeah, that is a clade, it is real. lets name that evolutionary event instead of making up a category to stick it in.

>>3200575

But try telling a member of the general public this system?
They'll shit themselves and demand a simple hierarchy.
And if you're so against making up lables for things, kill youself, what the fuck do you thing scientists the world over are doing apart from trying to name events and occurences.

i think the reason most people dont respect biology is that high school and even undergrad bio is a fucking joke. you barely scratch the surface of things because there's so much to cover. consequently most bio courses are hard core memory classes with little application. its only once you get to the masters/phd level does bio become complex as hell and completely mind blowing. its then you get to learn about specific things and apply what you know

the phylogenetic tree only is useful for studying evolution. not for real research.
The binomial system works from simplicity and being universal
The DNA classification will be more useful for organism comparisons. showing us how different organisms face maybe a disease, or changes in its behavior

>>3200617

What you stated differs country to country.

>>3200592

never go full retard.

you want science to play off the handicap of the general public?

science will march on, regardless of what the uneducated masses think or want.

and i'm not against making labels. i am against making shit up. there is no such thing as a class. it is non-existent in nature. a clade is real. naming it is fine by me. not every clade needs to be named, though.

It attracts pre-meds. Also, the lab work is boring as fuck.

>>3200635

The whole point of science is to help the general public. The reason that science is pretty much hated and steryotyped is because they don't understand what we're up to and they're fearful !

And let's not get into the philosophy of what's real or not, considering that names are artificial.

I half agree with you about the whole phylocode idea, but I don't really think it'll massivly catch on for years to come. People are just too stubborn, the current system works, not brilliantly, but untill a perfect system is invented, we'll stick with what we know.

>>3200635
scientist dont use either of these systems when doing real research. except virology.
imagine having to buy shirts on the sole basis of you specific waist, chest, and neck measurements. no more small, mediums and larges
its just easy to categorize for someone not exactly familiar with said organism

>>3200678

>Gets all clothes tailor made.
>not mad.

>>3200678

Well, no, I use the binomial system for tonnes of stuff. Mostly, what i'm workign on is mice and rats and the pathology of Huntingtons and parkinsons. I'm curing disease, but I still need to be aware of the different classifications, mostly for teaching and shit but all the same.

I really wanted to study biology for my next year at school, but the classes were all full :(:(:(

How is the disklike of biology compared to the dislike of other fields of science?

>>3200702
you wouldn't use DNA comparisons? on how it affects specific sequences?
u teach at a university?

At the highschool and undergraduate level it's mostly rote memorization, which can be a lot of work. If you're particularly good at math/physics and don't have to study much for them, then biology (and chemistry) can have comparatively high workloads (for you).

I've had some good professors though, who painted more broad conceptual pictures. Their tests were more like puzzles: if you didn't have the underlying knowledge of biology, you couldn't recognize the pieces, but if you did, it was actually fun.

So people either find the low level memorization too boring or too hard and are soured on the entire field, which is a shame. Biology covers a wide range of topics, all of which can be quite interesting. The "no maths, not science" argument is bullshit though, but what can you expect from a bunch of high schoolers and first year engineering majors?

It's all because of highschool. People take it in highschool, think that just because their highschool class is based on memorizing useless and stupid things involving biology, means that people who major in biology only memorize shit. So if you are going to blame something, blame the schools for focusing on memorization over actual learning.