/sci/ - Science & Math

>only 125
thats quite high

and no, disregard IQ. try your best, and you have as good a chance as any other intelligent person for achieving scientific greatness.

I heard Feynman had an IQ of 120.

“Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited to all we now know and understand, while imagination embraces the entire world, and all there ever will be to know and understand.” - Albert Einstein

not sure if little einstein had an IQ of below 100, if it's true, you might have a shot.

>>3184487
Yep, 125 or so.

OP, it's more about the work you put in actually understanding things. I have bunch of people around me, that are potentially much smarter than me, but don't give a fuck about understanding what's actually going on. Take math for example, do you understand the proof of some random theorem so much you can try to replicate it, or do you memorize it blindly ? That's the difference between collar workers and true scientists.

>>3184499
>facepalm

When did you learn calculus? Einstein and Feynman learned it at 15. Not that it is related, just curious.

You know, there are a couple of very smart people who advocate loopquatnumgravity, and a lot of other who think the m-theory is true. either group 1 or 2 will have it right, and the other ones will stand there like idiots and will be forgotten or laughed at by history.

So, no, intelligence is not everything.

Let me tell you, OP. My IQ is MENSA level (I don't remember what it was exactly, since I took the test at 14), and I am not what most people would consider intelligent. IQ means fuck all. I am never going to make a scientific breakthrough.

>>3184479

125 is plenty intelligent to succeed in most fields, what you need most of all is creativity and the ability to really think for yourself on things,
You also need wisdom and the right sort of cognitive style, a unique way of looking at things and very high levels of dedication.

I'm not saying you can succeed if you put the workl in, i'm saying that if you don't succeed it won't be because of a lack of "intelligence".

btw:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/53209242/How-to-Be-Genius

>Studies of chess masters and highly successful artists, scientists and musicians usually find their IQs tobe above average, typically in the 115 to 130 range, where some 14 per cent of the population reside -impressive enough, but hardly as rarefied as their achievements and abilities.

>>3184483
I respect EK but this is wrong. Yes, effort is greater than talent in principle, but in practice you must be work harder than anyone else AND be significantly smarter to have even a fraction of a percent chance of success.

>>3184529
This sounds kinda clever - superficially. Decent use of rhetoric by Annon.

>>3184542
>Let me tell you, OP. My IQ is MENSA level (I don't remember what it was)
Need I comment? He writes his own jokes.

Sorry OP, like the rest of us your odds of success are nearly nil. This doesn't mean you should give up though. Luck > Effort > Talent. However, 125 is about 1/20 depending on the SDs; (1/20)*World Population within age range to be competitive = many many people smarter than you. You will have to work much much much harder than them. And most of them probably have a lot more to loose than yourself if you're on 4chan.

OP, you are retard.
Deal with it.

>>3184479
Science isn't a competition, is a collaborative endeavour. Admittedly you may not become as eminent as, say, Einstein. But you could well be a member of a team, who produces some data, which is used by another team, to refine an established method that cuts deaths by colonic cancer by 15%. That might not seem like much, but it would mean that you were part of an effort that culminated in the the saving of potentially thousands, or even millions of lives, over a long enough time period that is.

Mathematical ability > IQ score

Mathematical ability + ability to make friends will get you a lot further in life than a pussy "IQ score."

>dealwithitdog.jpg

>>3185537

>mathematical ability
>ability to make friends
choose one

I agree with the spirit of the responses.
-125 is 95th percentile.
-Great breakthroughs have been made by people with IQs lower than that.
-Lots of high IQ people doing jack shit and circle-jerking instead of actually doing something productive.
-Not to say that IQ is not important in such discoveries, but it's not the holy grail some people consider it to be. Just another factor possibly trumped by dedication, given a minimum level of both, (inb4 a scientist-chimp working 24/7).

I have a 132 IQ. I don't really feel that much smarter than anybody else.

Also, IQ measures how good you are at problem-solving. Scientific breakthroughs are mostly based on cool ideas or just hard work

>>3185544
>thinking they are mutually exclusive
>confirmed for layman

Everyone else in the math department is quite sociable. People who are naturally good at math tend to not be total aspie nerds. The foreveralone kids only get good at math through endless practice, whereas it comes quite naturally to some of us real men.

>dealwithitdog.jpg

>>3185568

>>3184479
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lr8sVailoLw

I have an IQ of over 9000, but I'm lazy as all fuck.
I have 900% of the 1% inspiration required, and, like, -7246% of the 99% perspiration required. You're so lucky I could even be bothered to post this. The world owes me, man.

>>3185798
Fucking this.

>>3185774
oh my god this man is so awesome

I'm going to watch all of these videos, then buy his best selling books, brb

Forget scientific breakthroughs for a while. Newton made massive contributions to science and you know what? He never got to learn the simplest facts about quantum theory. I'd rather know about quantum theory than be respected as one of the greatest minds in history. Just be happy that you live in a time where much is offered to you in easily digestible textbooks.

You don't even have to pay for textbooks these days; you can just download a torrent and you have more than you could ever read occupying a small portion of your hard drive. If you want to be legal then there are plenty of lecture notes available online too.

When you have a good knowledge of science you will have a better idea of how much you can contribute. Do you really believe that some number assigned to you at some point in time completely determines what you may achieve intellectually for the rest of your life? That kind of curtailing your ambitions to an ambiguous authority is antithetical to the kind of thinking that causes people to break new ground in intellectual fields.

>>3185774
never really heard feynman talk. after watching this i have a great deal of respect for this man. he knows his shit, for serious.

Hard work is much more important to success. Intelligence is dime a dozen, but people who work hard is rare. An IQ of 125 is plenty intelligent too.

>>3185859
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn4_40hAAr0

You might enjoy this then. Warning: major baww at the end.

It's not all about IQ, but no, your IQ isn't very high.

>>3185887
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5Pgmx2WCsY

That's a slightly better version with slightly different editing.

>>3184483
125 IS NOT by any means, high

>146 IQ reporting in

Yeah, you're fucked, OP.

>>3185980
an IQ of 125 enables you with confidence to say you're the smartest guy at any point in your environment. (not counting friends/colleagues)

>counting IQ tests as a valid measure of intelligence
>2011

Also,
>implying grades and standardized test scores aren't a more valid predictor of success

Read a book on IQ, it looked back at previous nobel prize winners and IQ. Most of them had an IQ over 130, but anything after that didn't matter. i.e the difference between 130 and 160 doesn't mean much, you're smart at that point, ist more about hard work. So 125 means you're probably good.

>>3184479

>Thinks IQ tests are a valid measure of intelligence.


Congratulations you've already lost the game.

Heck, it's not like you ever had a shot with those utter bullshit assumptions.

>125 IQ
>latin american
>business major

life is good

>lazy

life is still pretty good

>haven´t even got my drivers license at 20

well fuck me

>>3185501
This .gif is superior.
Deal with it.

IQ scores are meaningless wankery.
Work hard and you'll go far

148 IQ here. I'm a medical doctor. Suck my dick.

>>3186196
>business major

>>3186196

Move to newyork or japan.

They're far superior, least of which is because they have good public transportation
(Japan far better than newyork, though. There's a joke amongst "gaijins", the only reason a train is late in japan is if someone commits suicide by jumping in front of a train

breakthroughs are all about opportunity
the peices sit in front of all your peers and you put them together first/best
its what einstein did
this is especially true as well as especially difficult in cases where some error or understated/mistated element has already been taken as fact
swimming against the flow of public oppinion can turn into a lifelong miserable slow motion trainwreck of a life experience
if you are not looking where the masses do not you are not going to find anything they are not already beating to death on a daily basis
consider the manhours being directed to every subject you can imagine every day
im a manner of speaking it can even be viewed as a numbers game
so many elements of 'progress' are in reality natural devolepements of the accumulation of data

I have an IQ of 146, but 125 is pretty fucking high (put into perspective). 100 is the average IQ, so you're quite above average. If you want to make a scientific breakthrough and you put your brainpower to it, you can.

>>3186275
>majoring in science instead of business
>using academic talent to be foreveralone and poor instead of making bank
>/sci/

>perspective is worth 60 IQ points
Great innovations don't come from brute force iterative study. Even ultra high IQs won't be able to see the forest for the trees without a breadth of knowledge.

>>3186366
The problem is many people are more intelligent than you and have thought the exact same thing, being a unique non-conformist hipster isn't going to help either because these people will have already searched through all untapped possibilities already, leading you with the totally unfeasible ones.

I'm not trying to win the lottery, I must take many low chances and risks but I still want to maximize these opportunities.

instead of thinking about something as worthless about an IQ number, think about something useful. how do things work the way they do? what patterns are ACTUALLY there? If you always cling onto some measurement and never toy and experiment with it yourself, you are in danger of becoming a shitty scientist. Get rid of this blind mindset. Don't just sit there and accept the number with pure faith- break it apart, analyze it, and experiment by showing a counterexample.

Okay, analyzing the validity of IQ is a somewhat weak analogy for scientific thinking, but still, that's the type of approach you should bring to research. Always ask questions. Don't just say "I believe it because the name is so strong emotionally that I correlate it with intelligence!" You have to always question something, especially with something as dubious as IQ. And if it's "truth" but not profound and actually completely worthless to a thoroughly self measured degree (ie does not measure scientific achievements), ignore it.

>thinking scientific breakthroughs have much at all to do with intelligence
>implying success as a scientist doesn't have everything to do with dumb luck and chance

>pic related, it's James Watson, who barely got out of undergraduate when he tagged along with Dr. Francis Crick and got equal credit for discovering DNA
>like a fucking boss

>>3186677
This.

How many scientists who make breakthroughs become multi-billionaires?

Dick sucking is by far the greatest route to success, of course you need to be intelligent, pragmatic and determined but if you don't grab dicks and start sucking on the ends of them like a subservient little bitch you're going nowhere.

>>3186692
you could claim anything that requires effort is dick sucking really

>>3186692
Coincidentally, that's also the best way to make it big in engineering too.

Where did you get your IQ tested? Was it a full scale test with numerous subtests, or was it only measuring a single factor (like vocabulary or matrix reasoning).

Does it correlate with your percentile scores on standardized achievement tests? It should unless you have perhaps a learning disorder. This should be shown in your IQ data anyways.

You guys think 125 is low? o_0

A radio station technician discovered the theoretical basis for a cure for some types of cancer, based on his experience in the radio station.

Isaac Newton only understood gravity once an apple fell on his head.

Archimedes discovered water displacement when he tried to get into a bathtub that was already full.


Scientific breakthroughs come from the weirdest fucking places.

>>3186246
superior Yotsuba B still image

>>3186757
That's because breakthroughs come from weird people lol

IQ tests are tests embedded within tests. The real IQ test is whether you believe that a short, universal examination of your pattern recognition skills can possibly be any indication of your intelligence.

If you bother with IQ tests in the first place, your IQ probably isn't high enough to do anything worthwhile.

>>3186757
>water displacement
>implying no one knew about that before him
>either pointing out obvious or Greeks were fucking retarded

>>3186782
I think he discovered density

>>3186790
>>3186782
They certainly knew about displacement before, however Archimedes discovered the exact relationship. Namely that a body immersed in liquid will displace liquid equal to its volume

When I was a little kid they gave us all these IQ tests, and one of them was to look at a screen and determine whether or not individuals were lying.

All the kids tried to answer.

I looked at the test administrator and said, "This isn't right."

He looked at me and scribbled down some notes.

Two weeks later I was given another test and no other kid in the school was given it.

Anyway, don't worry about your IQ, you are not predestined. Women have become warriors, a homosexual was the greatest imperialist in recorded history, a Canadian man who sucked at chess decided to prove that repetition and number of games played was more important than latent skill.

He later became the #1 chess player in all of Canada.

This idea that you should determine whether or not you should even try based on what a message board tells you from the reference point of an ambiguous IQ score is where you are taking the wrong turn, or maybe the right one if you read and take my post seriously.

Godspeed.

>>3186782
When you discover something truly novel it seems obvious afterward.

That is the way almost all discovery works, you're just too stupid to recognize this phenomenon, and therefore discredit the brilliant discoveries of the past through your own folly.

It's more likely that you were told about water displacement in some way than that you discovered and understood it on your own, obvious as it may have been once it was pointed out to you.

152 IQ here. Not even trollin'. You won't see me making any great scientific breakthroughs though. I'm also mentally unstable.

In addition, I dislike sciences and maths.

>a Canadian man who sucked at chess decided to prove that repetition and number of games played was more important than latent skill

Where would such "skill" come from if not from repetition and number of games played? That's what skill is.

>>3184479
>asked question, obviously a no if needed to question.

>>3184506
True scientists would have proved it on their own beforehand, given the same tools that the supplied proof was shown to use.

Minute example: elementary school math class, we were shown how to graph linear equations. I was always curious about circles and what type of x and y relationship would be necessary to complete such a figure. Using the Pythagorean theorem and the definition of a circle as a locus, I was able to conclude on my own x^2 + y^2 = r^2 formed a circle, before learning it.

IQ means nothing.

i have 137.

heres how i progressed my life
dropped high school,become homeschooled.
played wow and starcraft all the time
got to good university
2.70 gpa
4k$/month job
still playing video games all the time,and i honestly do not care about contributing to science.
and i feel sad all the time

mensa isn't very hard to get in. 1/50
148 on mensa bitches.

>>3186798
I really like this. It's poetry.

>>3186969
Besides the details, I feel you. WoW & Starcraft were also some of the things I did obsessively and compulsively as distractions. Went to a good university hoping I could immerse myself there and that it would consume me; the students and teachers rarely challenged me; eventually dropped out; later went back, but jaded; it's a job now, the romance is dead.

Everyone feels the need to control the circumstances after their death. Some make families, some find careers where they can mass wealth, and like a few others I wanted to be a scientist. I wanted to put my name in a textbook so people would remember it. This seemed the most permanent and nobel. I'm caring less and less about this recently, but my brain is still hungry. I don't what to do.

I'm surprised there isn't more trolling and insecurity in this thread. Maybe 4chan is finally growing up.

>>3186985
>isn't very hard to get in
>mensa accepts at the 98th percentile

I'd say that's plenty hard enough.

>>3186936
I'd say that IQ is a lot like the length of your dick. It's not the be all and end all, but to say that it flat doesn't matter is totally untrue.

The big number helps, but if you're riding on just the number than you've just fucked yourself.

>>3186841

x^2+y^2=r^2 forms a circle does it?

I have about 160 odd, varies slightly each time I have tested it.

I am 19, never had a job, am retaking my A levels since I failed them due to severe depression (economics grades; A,A,A,D) and am on track to take a philosophy degree I'm already losing faith in before starting.

I had an interview at the University of Oxford.

I also have regular suicidal ideation and am almost paranoid about my physical appearance.

No, IQ is not everything by any means.

>>3188406
You get your IQ tested regularly?

I hate to ask but what sort of dick goes to get his IQ tested? Is this some amerifag phenomenon. 99% of the UK wouldn't be able to tell you their IQ without a degree of guessing because it isn't worth jack.

If you didn't get yourself tested then your parent / guardians were assholes.

/thread

>>3188416
UK here, school made me take a few, as did parents. I wouldn't much care to be honest. My mother said I should join my mensa once and I laughed, sounds like narcissistic faggotry.

>>3188360
Um...yes?

>>3188417
Nope, just had it done by parents and schools. I truly would not give any fucks.

This is also me:
>>3188421

I'd guess because my parents aren't academic, while they do push me and my sister to acheive. Dunno.

>>3188406
Holy shit, are you a significantly more intelligent yet even more underachieving me?

>>3188464
I don't know, likely. By all measures other than intelligence I am a complete loser. I seriously think I have some kind of mood disorder.

>>3188406
It might be worth adding that I am socially retarded, in part due to spending most of my younger years impressing teachers and other kids by designing languages rather than actually fucking developing.

My IQ's 238. 2.38 GHz of brain power! I can run Crysis! Everyone knows that superb shadow rendering eclipses all the equations of Einstein, empirically.

IQ means very little. I'm somewhere in the 140's and I'm the laziest person you'll ever meet. I still do well because I get things easily, but others do better than me because they try.

Basically, try hard and you can achieve. Assuming you're not mentally retarded.

Chances of scientific breakthrough diminishes as intelligence rises

Worry not about your IQ, says sense, for even yer iPhone is outcomputing you. Today our scientists merely calibrate our sinister mechanical overlords and peer over the results. Vast teams of bored nerds find all the findings - there are no more Great Men of science. If you wish to join them, you need only an interest in what you're studying, an attention span.

If I was you, though, I wouldn't even try to be a scientist. Use that head of yours to get rich instead, and enjoy probable immortality, augmented intelligence, etcetera

>>3184479
IQ is 144, laziest person you'll ever meet. However, I've done my two thesis' and helped hugely in the medical imaging industry. I spend my nights high on weed and fapping. I still don't understand women.

Sum of this thread by now:
If you have 120+ IQ: Work hard, study hard, try to understand concepts and you'll get far in life.
If you have 135+ IQ: Either get good quality crystal meth or find willpower to do things. Do them a lot. In fact, get high on learning and understanding. Especially if you are 145+, you can make significant breakthroughs and achieve world fame/wealth/whatever you want in decade or two.

What's wrong with you people, just get pissed off at yourself and study, or wake up the inner curious child inside. It's easy.

>>3188495
Not so much now, but when I was a kid I was crazy paranoid about my appearance as well. When I was 14 I almost had a panic attack at school because I wore a belt, something I didn't usually do. Oh, and when I was 8 I didn't want to start practicing judo with a friend of mine. I was scared he'd grab me and notice I was fat.

>>3188708
lol. I'm not germophobic, it's more a general disgust towards other people's bodily fluids. I shiver when I think about it.

>>3188612

I'll tell you how they work.

They ask men specific questions when they don't want you to answer them. When they speak to other women they talk openly, I'm worried, lonely, scared etc.
When they speak to men, for no reason, they ask a specific question they don't want you to answer. You have to guess at why she was asking, was she worried, scared etc...

Question
"Your late! How could you be so late?"
Answer
"Oh you were worried about me? Sorry sweetheart, there was tons of traffic."

Real world answer

"Tons of traffic!"

Congratulations, your relationship is over! You don't care about womens feelings. Like all men. I've been reading men are from mar's women are from venus, this is actually true.

>>3188708

Shit I used to be like that.

I use to think that my IQ would limit me in the ideas that I could understand and or explore. What I find interesting is that before that thought occurred to me I felt I could think and comprehend anything. I think that if I put that silly number behind me I will be better off. It might help if you did the same, OP.

>>3190489
You know how you filled out the blank for your email? Don't do that.

bampage

a couple of you mentioned getting bored and depressed at some point. i'm similar. i was in the top 1-2% in state tests way back in middle school when i barely applied myself. high school rolled around and i became extremely bored and depressed and eventually dropped out. i made my way to a descent university to study math and physics but i'm 23 and only halfway through my undergrad work. it seems pretty unlikely i'll ever do much, but it's better than working a shit job at this point.

my IQ was 152 when i was 16 i was in the top 1% of the country in a national maths test. i used this intelligence to skip school and scrape through gcse's hardly turn up to college and get two really bad a levels, still get accepted at uni and then drop out in my third year. Finally realised now only hard work will get you anywhere im 28 and in my second year of my degree in astrophysics where i am averaging a first through sheer effort as i think my brain farted and died since i was 16.

I have no idea what my IQ is...
that's why I'm doing well.
I work at one of the top 10 universities in the world and I get to show people how to do stuff properly
Don't do my own research as that would suck ass... you have no guarantees on income, sanity or fun...
get laid son

The whole "IQ" thing is a farce..

An antiquated system to determine someones "general" Intelligence. Intelligence in comprised on so many thing.. So many things which an IQ test doesn't not account.