/sci/ - Science & Math

good for you
but /sci/ is neither large enough or willing to PA

>>3174876
Live and let live. There is absolutely no point arguing over facts which neither of you can prove.

Boo hoo. His beliefs disagree with yours.

Get over it.

>>3174903
>>3174892

I thought at least I'd find some support from you guys. Sad.

>>3174905
Look buddy, /sci/ isn't about turning our noses up at people who believe differently. Sure maybe a lot of us think that creationists are stupid as fuck, but they're not hurting anyone just by believing something. Your elitism regarding your own beliefs and arrogant presumption that we all feel the exact same way you do leads only to one conclusion:

You, sir, are the asshole.

>>3174920

Aren't you even going to check his Facebook? I'm sure it'll change your minds, since he is such a flamboyant christfag.

>>3174935
what a dumb trick

u shur trold us

>>3174935
different guy but, I don't even HAVE a facebook

>>3174935
Even if they are incorrect, there is absolutely nothing to gain by anyone getting frustrated about what they have said.

sage and reported for personal army

>>3174892
>There is absolutely no point arguing over facts which neither of you can prove.
>>3174903
>Boo hoo. His beliefs disagree with yours.
>>3174920
>they're not hurting anyone just by believing something

When did /sci/ become a bunch of useless idiots? Flippant disregard for logic, science, truth, and everything else creationism poises itself against is definitely a harm in society, and as part of the economy of ideas we have a responsibility to promote objectivity, critical thinking, intellectual honesty and so forth or else we may as well have no values at all on this count. Here it's not reducible to mere "disagreement with me" bullshit or unnecessary elitism, it's just plain righting wrongs.

>>3174976
about the same time when there were 8 million threads about this issue on sci every day

>>3174976

Hear, hear!

>>3174976

And all those Missionaries believe that they are righting wrongs.

>>3174976
You are exaggerating. You are exactly the type of dispicable human being who would go around to all the primary schools and shout at the little children that santa Claus is not real. What has it got to do with you anyway? Are you really so insecure that you have to try to force some sort of intellectual superiority off on all of the other people? Grow up.

>>3175002

Santa Claus and children is different from imaginary gods and adults.

The world would be a better place if people realized this.

Religion has done enough wrongs!

>>3175002
What they said.

I'm really getting sick of all these atheists shouting about religion and how it' s all terrible evil and we need to fix it RIGHT NOW.

But honestly guys, you make the rest of us actual atheists look bad. It's none of your goddamn business what someone else believes.

Ah, what a crime it is for them to have their own opinion.

We, the mighty thought police should punish them for being idiots.

Because really, when you get right down to it, who needs free speech let alone the freedom to think what we want?

Brave New World, Mon Capitan?

>>3175002
McFucking Kill yourself, religion has killed millions throught history, and that's fucking retarded, all atheist are not asantaclaus because belief in santa doesn't lead you to be retarded, impede science, kill, tourture, or fly motherfuckers into buildings

But, not personal army, take it to /b/

Okay does anyone else notice christians say

"Everyone get's their own belief, BUT DISAGREE AND YOU ARE BURNED ALIVE FOR ALL ETERNITY"

That's okay? But questioning their mythology isn't?

ITT: Guy posts dumb trick link that links you to your own page. /sci/ ignores link, debates religion.

Bravo, guys. You stick to your principles so much you wouldn't even look at the link in the first place. I am impressed.

>>3175039
This

>>3175018
>>3175020
religion does not kill people, people kill people. The evil people who murder and do horrific acts may or may not be religious, it does not cause it. Many religious people are very loving and kind and live good lives. It is sad that you can not see this.

>>3175039
So let them believe that the rest of us are going to burn. It's not hurting me that they think I'm going to burn.

The only time it's appropriate to challenge someone's religious beliefs is when they are infringing your rights or imposing their beliefs onto you.

>>3175027
The entire foundation of democracy is caring about what others believe.

>>3175042
Well, it was either don't talk about the argument he "posted" or talk about how OP thinks he's better than christfag. Which do you think we'd choose?

>>3175039
If god does indeed exist, he would not be such a horrible being as to burn people. The traditional version of hell is not a real place. We have nothing to fear, but them being incorrect is not a crime, nor is it cause for slander or insults.

>hurr durr it redirects to your own facebook page

>>3175062
that was addressed already here
>>3174940
after OP realized his clever ruse was failing

>>3175055
No it is not. It is about tolerating all opinions and beliefs, and having respect for each other even if they disagree with your viewpoint.

>>3175018
>Religion has done enough wrongs!
And enough rights.

Religion has been closely linked to science for all of human history. Only in the last century has that changed.

If they wish to believe that creationism is real then let them. The facts are out their to disprove it. i won't waste my time trying to convince someone who won't change their mind and make myself frustrated. I have better things to do than that.

FUCK REGULAR SANDWICHES.

Successful troll is successful

>>3175047
Did you honestly just say that religion has never caused killing? Christian Crusades? Spanish Inquisition? Salem Witch Trials? Are you retarded?

>>3174982
I haven't been here awhile. If it's become a sore topic I can understand the grumpiness.

>>3174992
Therefore we shouldn't correct errors? You're being <span class="math">\mathbf{completely}[/spoiler] irrational anon.

>>3175002
Can someone tell me whether or not this person is trolling? I've become adjusted to the blogosphere in the wake of leaving the chans and my radar might therefore be out of whack.

>>3175022
Why are you making up everything you say about the positions you argue against? Is this trolling or has /sci/ really gone this way these past months?

>>3175052
>The only time it's appropriate to challenge someone's religious beliefs is when they are infringing your rights or imposing their beliefs onto you.
Justify your apathy. And why single out religious beliefs? Since I'm not affecting you in particular, why are you even taking the time to tell me I'm wrong? You ooze hypocrisy.

>>3175087
Cough *Earth revolves around sun and peolple were burned alive by the catholic church* cough

>>3175075

OP here. That is not me, that is some other guy.

Full disclosure, I had nothing to do this afternoon, so I decided to post the re-directing facebook-link and also a typical troll-topic to several of the boards here.

Curiously, of all the boards, /sci/ has so far turned out to be most belligerent. Other threads, for the curious:
>>>/fit/7729204
>>>/k/9002229
>>>/fa/3486449
>>>/adv/6336715
>>>/soc/4820722

>>3175103
Thank you. I appreciate compliments in regards to my "trolling" skills.

>>3175103
i don't think you even know what a troll is
fuck /sci/, you used to be good, to an extent

>>3175109
People caused these things, and they were terrible. Religion itself did not cause these things. Many atheists do bad things as well. Joseph Stalin killed millions of people and he was an atheist. Insulting me will not further your argument.

>>3175109
>Christian Crusades?
Caused because of Western Wishes to dominate the Byzantine Empire and open trade routes in the Muslim world while at the same time ridding Europe of an excess of wild knights.
>Spanish Inquisition
Easily the most advanced and fair justice system in all of Europe for its entire existence.
> Salem Witch Trials
Socio-economic gap between the west(or nonport) and east(port) caused this one.


U MAD?

>>3175087
Why should others likewise decline to do what you won't do? Why should people be protected from being told they're wrong, or even better yet, explained to how they're wrong? Why shouldn't people be engaged in conversation about things they disagree about? I see not one infinitesimal iota of justification for disregarding these issues and instead preferring mutual silence and assured ignorance.

OP again. I also have to add that /fit/ seems to be the most gullible board. I find that to be interesting as well.

I look forward to seeing this thread burn further.

>>3175120
*cough* Copernicus and Tycho Brahe were the first to work on disprove the module and only did so because they believed that the church model was correct and Kepler believed his ideas were correct because of religion*cough*

>>3174892

>>3174903

Sensible people? In my 4chan?

I find that difficult to believe...

saging for trollfaggotry

>>3175156
>Why should people be protected from being told they're wrong, or even better yet, explained to how they're wrong?
Because if I attempted to do that with everybody their would be no end. You have to learn to pick and choose your fights.
>Why shouldn't people be engaged in conversation about things they disagree about?
When it's based on a belief that they've been tuaght their whole life it's pointless to argue.
> I see not one infinitesimal iota of justification for disregarding these issues and instead preferring mutual silence and assured ignorance.
By continuing this argument you are justifying my original point, you realize this of course right? Ironic, the more you try to prove yourself the more you validate me, huh?

Now then I'm off to study Calc 3 and you should get to work on convincing a few hundred million people that they're wrong.

>>3174976
No such thing as objectivity exists in humans. What we've discovered has ended up objective and disinterested in the feelings of those it affects, but the humans who practice it are not and will never be objective.

Your job is improving life through whatever it is mathematicians and scientists do. Everything else will fall in place.

Harriet, I can't find a single sensible statement in all of your posts. Not a single one. So answer me honestly, are you doing this for laughs? That (1) religion isn't the only source of harm in the world, that (2) religion is also a source and inspiration for good within communities, and that (3) religion can be exploited for already existing ulterior motives does not change the fact that the major flaws and defects in organized religion have been a major and marked source and enabler of suffering and stifling of benevolent human nature. Apathy for this problem is either callous or ignorant.

>>3175145
>>Spanish Inquisition
>Easily the most advanced and fair justice system in all of Europe for its entire existence.
0/10

>>3175217
Come back to me when the English weren't executing kids for playing on the common in early 18th century.

>>3175217

>HURR everyone must agree with me and my opinion is a fact.

What is sensible about your attempts to force people to not just see, but adopt your point of view? How does it make you better than those you so despise?

While we're at it, what do you even know about the inquisition, how it actually operated and what the actual penalties were? Propaganda and monty python don't count.

3/10

>>3175214
Tell me what my job is but don't justify it? You won't get far with me with that attitude.

The "live and let live" concept is also pernicious in this context. When you set up an equivalence between (a) engaging people on topics of disagreement with (b) not letting them "live" (i.e. harassing them), you've demonstrated a very warped perception of the situation.

Asking others to be as apathetic about hot issues as you are for no good reason is not a sensible position to take. I can see the merits of addressing the incivility or ostensible futility of the debate as it typically manifests, but there's no reason to tell people not to have a conversation simply because you think it's annoying or whatever you feel it is. I'm not asking people to go out of their way to "police" this crap, too.

I don't even care if the original post was a troll.

>this thread

>>3175280
Why is your entire post making up false things about me? Why do you do that? Do you seriously think you're in the right here for fabricating my position for me?

As for my knowledge of the SI - not much more than Wikipedia, a few of its primary sources, and what I remember from high school. Do you seriously contend that the practices of the inquisition were fair and just?

Successful troll is getting more successful with every post.

Fucking American creationists. This shit doesn't happen in Europe.

Harriet, you are the scum of the earth.

>Do you seriously contend that the practices of the inquisition were fair and just?
I contend that it was a better justice system than any that were around at the time.

>>3175310
>This shit doesn't happen in Europe.
It started there and is still prevalent.

>>3175325
This

Your Europeans are retarded beyond your own awareness of it. Our crazies just make it in the media more because we find them entertaining and laugh at them for our own amusement. Meanwhile you're always hiding your shame like cowards instead of making them the public mockery.

Also, your reading skills are shit.

>>3175315
I have no historical background to evaluate the claim and therefore don't feel any negativity towards your having that position, though I still take exception with part of what you originally wrote (that the SI was a fair justice system). Note that I'm not the one anon who brought up the SI/murders etc. ITT, just responded.

In any case, I'm not thought police, and I operationally seek conversation, not social or rhetorical pressure / coercion / vitriol etc aimed at another's stance. Nor do I categorically "despise" (your words) people I disagree with. Perhaps you assumed these things about me because you've been on 4chan too long.

[[No, Captcha. I think you mis<span class="math">illustrated[/spoiler] the verification.]]

>>3175217
I tried to be as sensible as I could, I hope I came across as sensible to other people. Religion is not perfect, but for the most part religious people mean well.