/sci/ - Science & Math

sage

>>3165468
Think about. They both argue the same thing.

>>3165472

lolno

Science and Religion are both trying to answer the same questions about life.

>>3165480
-(10^10)/10

>>3165466
Correct.

/thread

>>3165479
Prove me wrong?
Religion has their own beliefs and follwers.
As do those in the science community.

Religion is a allegorical interpretation of creation as Science is literal.

Differences, yes, but ultimately the same.

>>3165488
there is a difference between belief and knowledge. I know that evolution is a real phenomena , theists believe god created the universe.

>>3165493
Yes, but what is God?
An almighty power beyond our own that created everything from nothing.

Sounds like the Big Bang Theory right?

>>3165493
Not to a schizophrenic or observers of schizophrenics.

>>3165498
sounds like you don't understand Big Bang theory.

>They are the same thing correct?

No. It's not /sci/'s fault you can't read a dictionary or think for more than two seconds, so fuck off.

>>3165498
the big bang was an event, not an "almighty power" as you put it.

>>3165498
>An almighty power beyond our own that created everything from nothing. Sounds like the Big Bang Theory right?

Only to people that don't know what they're talking about.

>>3165498
the big bang did not create anything.

it was a period of metric expansion

Religion (from O.Fr. religion "religious community," from L. religionem (nom. religio) "respect for what is sacred, reverence for the gods," "obligation, the bond between man and the gods") is derived from the Latin religiō, the ultimate origins of which are obscure. One possibility is derivation from a reduplicated *le-ligare, an interpretation traced to Cicero connecting lego "read", i.e. re (again) + lego in the sense of "choose", "go over again" or "consider carefully".

>>3165466

Basically. Science uses falsification whereby a scientific theory holds until it is disproved; if I saw a square circle then I am wrong to think that all circles are circular. If we are to be democratic, which I sometimes think we fail to be in a time when our knowledge advances without the help of a higher power daily, we should judge religion by the same standard. This means we should see any religious theory as potentially true until it is disproved. Of course many claim that we need to prove God exists to claim religion holds but why should this be necessary when it is not in science? It was accepted that the earth was fat until proved otherwise so why not accept that there is a God until proved otherwise.
The problem with people accepting this is that they see the counterarguments for the arguments that claim to prove God’s existence as a proof that he does not exist i.e. because a and b lead to d and a is wrong d must be wrong. This is not however the case just because a particular argument to prove something isn’t totally sound does not mean that there is no alternative argument that may be sound even if it has not yet been discovered. It could be that b and c lead to d instead of a and b. If this is allowed for science why isnt religion given the same respect especially as its theories have lasted much longer without being falsified.

>>3165516
explain me then

>>3165508
Stop thinking conretely and make analytic connections.

Facts =/= theory

People who believe in science have faith based on reason.

People who have faith in religion believe in reason.

Followers gonna follow.

Thinking critically, anything said in religion can be interpreted scientifically.

>God created the world in 7 days
>7 days
>time is relative
>on a cosmic scale is probable.
>maybe not 7 days exactly
>but demonstrates relativity of time and space

>>3165522
1. Wat
2. Religion is based on nothing, and science on experimentation, something is not true to proven false, quite the opposite in science
3. /thread

Why should be bend science to fit your bat shit cultural mythologies?

Once again
Science based on FACT
FACT = Opposite of faith

>>3165528
>the earth created before the sun or any of the other stars.

don't try to stand up for idiots.

>>3165535
religion is based on God

>>3165546

No.

Religion has nothing to do with god. There are Atheist religions.

>>3165518
Even so. As of right now, scientists are trying to prove wrong how something came from nothing. Can't be plausible? However it's what stands since they haven't proven otherwise.

>>3165512
Well no the big bang isn't the source of energy the created it. But isn't that what scientists are still trying to find?
>isn't that what religion supposedly explains

>mfw i'm a Christian on /sci/ because i know that the two coexist quite comfortably

>>3165528
faith: belief that is not based on proof
science: conclusion directly based on proof

>>3165550
are you retarded?

>>3165541
But don't people put faith in fact?
>snap

>mfw he thinks scientist believe in big bang as a god

and atheist = not religious

lrn2 epistemology

>>3165554
point half-proven.

i think aliens are angels and demons and god is an if not an state of perfect existence then a extra dimensional being.

so since science can prove aliens exist then why even acknowledge the fruity debate between science and religion rather than build on the understanding that each could go hand in hand

>>3165526
explaining inflation on a troll thread in /sci/ is futile.

>>3165528
>Facts =/= theory

Of course not. What do you think we compare our theory to? We need data. Facts are the data we test theory against.

>People who believe in science have faith based on reason. People who have faith in religion believe in reason.

derp.

>Thinking critically,

You're not doing that.

>anything said in religion can be interpreted scientifically.

That stupid shit you did isn't "interpreting scientifically". There's nothing scientific about it. It's called stretching a metaphor to fit reality. "Time is relative" doesn't follow from your "God created the world in 7 days". The connection was made by you. By the way, you forgot the second observer to compare those "7 days" to. With a single frame of reference, the word "relative" kind of loses meaning.

>>3165560
No, it's a fact, there is literally no way for it to be false, therefore it is not faith

>FUCKING RETARDED

>>3165556
>he's never heard of buddhism

>>3165574
It was a fact that the earth was flat back in the dark ages. Guess what, THAT FACT WAS FALSE.

>>3165560
people believe facts because of evidence.

people believe in god because of faith.

>>3165578
>or jainism
>or taoism

According to your true until proven false,


my sandwich now cures cancer at it's discrestion until proven otherwise, I have faith in it

>tries to get it taught in public schools

>>3165584
No one who actually had an education believed the world was flat in the dark ages.

We figured that shit out in 330 B.C.

If it's false then it wasn't a fact...

Why do we entertain this?

evolution and the idea of matter-begetting-matter can't be considered science because it is only held to be fact, but it is not known for sure to be fact. i'm not saying that Christianity = science, but i am saying that evolution =/= science.

>>3165574
A major difference between science and religion is that science keeps changing it's beliefs.

And yet people still believe.

Almost any fact that was made today can be easily proven wrong tomorrow. It can be as unreliable and unstable as religion acclaimedly is.

>>3165587
you forget the part where a bunch of guys write hundreds of storys about your sandwich spanning several thousand years.

>>3165519

>>3165603
Science gets more correct over time. Religion stays stupid forever.

ITT: hipster faggot decides that science is for aspie retards

Science follows the scientific procedures and methods that control and adjust variables to figure out what is the underlying cause for certain results and is developed through the use of theories, proof, and laws.

Religion is people with influence spreading their beliefs, often expecting people to follow them.

Science and religion do connect and agree in some cases, but they are different.

Zen teaching: "All is One and All is Different"

In the end, both are meant to appease those seeking answers.

>>3165584
actually, it's a common misconception that people believed the earth was flat.

>>3165607
Tell that to Brahe.

>>3165609
>in the end, they are the same

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls and other gullible fucks.

>>3165607
how is religion stupid? because it forces one to believe without perfect proof? where is your proof that the Big Bang really happened? you have faith that this theory is correct just like we have faith that God did create.

OKAY according to your Amurican logic, WHY DON'T WE BELIEVE ONE RELIGION AND NOT OTHERS

Also being consistantly wrong (religion) =/= slowly improving (science)

Next time you have a disease, try not getting any medicine, becuase it "might be proven wrong tommorow"

And you mean kinda like how every time religion is wrong, (In the bible the earth was created before the stars) it changes into a metaphor?

>>3165480
One problem is though, that some religions tend to believe they have all the answers, meanwhile science knows there is still much to learn about our world. Science is somewhat more willing to change its theories given enough results, but religions are much more opposed to changing their beliefs. Not all belief systems are that way, but more often than not they are.

>>3165626
>Next time you have a disease, try not getting any medicine, becuase it "might be proven wrong tommorow"
the ability to make medicine out of creation was given to man that we might combat the sickness that we brought upon ourselves.

turning away from the trolling, there's a lesson we can learn from this

How do we get actual people of faith to understand that science is not faith?

>>3165640

>implying we brought on microorganisms

And what about genetic defects? how did we bring those on ourselves? Seems like a fuck up in design

>>3165621
They are about as similar as female humans are to male humans, but if you don't see a difference there either, then what can I say? LOL

>>3165623
CMBR
Hubble' Law
The Abundance of Primordial Elements
The Structure and evolution of the cosmos

>>3165652
They are much more different than male and female, you chauvinist pig, you

>>3165651
brought it on ourselves through improper diet and the expansion of knowledge.

>>3165626
I don't take medicine. If you want to live a healthy life, just take vitamins and minerals.
>vitamins and minerals create a healthy immune system
>the human immune system at it's healthiest can easily defend from cancer

Personally, I have never read the bible literally. I don't think it was created for that purpose. I believe it was created to give people the gratification of knowing where they came from in layman's terms. No one can truly comprehend the vastness of space, or the even the reality of reality. But everyone can cope with knowing "something's big out there".

But this isn't based on fact; rather my own beliefs.
>it'll get disregarded.

Ahh I can see the news reports from the future:
"Science proves the existence of God: 50 percent of world's population An Heroes."

>>3165651
genetic diseases aren't fuckups, they're deliberate. we only look at them as mistakes.

>>3165662
>genetic defects
>caused by unproper diet

are you fucking kidding me?

>>3165652
But both human. And in order to sustain life, they must both coexist.

>>3165666

Ironic fuckin trips.

This thread is too fucking stupid

>vitamins live forever
>knowledge is bad

I feel like I'm being trolled by the roman catholic church

>>3165641

Wit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50-dkhCTRgg&feature=related

>>3165659
I'm sorry I just thought it would be funnier to respond that way. I know religion and science are much more different than that.

>>3165668
>>3165668
i am not even kidding. folks do not realize how important a proper diet is.

did you know someone who follows a proper diet does not even have the need for toilet paper? its because the pooper functions as self cleaning mechanism when tended to properly.

PEOPLE HAVE GENETIC DEFECTS WHEN THEY ARE BORN

/rage

There's no proof that vitamins do shit. What about all the mormons who survive without any kind of medicine? They dont even treat their kids when they get sick!

people who trust scientific facts are just as bull headed are bible thumpers

I'll agree to that

>>3165693
I would love to see the research in this.

>>3165483
>parentheses

-10^10/10

>>3165699
And if the mother didn't drink, smoke, and obeyed a healthy diet...

>>3165708
then she would still pass on huntington's

>>3165708

Where besides your asshole is this coming from?

>>3165702
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4DOQ6Xhqss

>>3165693

Actually that's correct. I've been sticking to a proper diet for the last 10 years of my life and I've noticed my bowel movements are much smoother and come out much cleaner than they did when I was younger.

>>3165716
that's genetic. And if the first person in the long chain of ancestry lived a healthy diet, it wouldn't exist.

Just because you poop better doesn't mean it prevents genetic defects

Also science =/= religion, use a dictionary

troll line, /thread, ect.

>>3165720

Oh yea right. Everyone knows documentaries are just biased propaganda bullshit anyway.

>>3165730
And everyone knows that the science industry is controlled by the government.

go figure.

>>3165728
does anyone have any links to sites that show you dont need TP to poop if you eat good stuff?

Galileo was a heretic who should have been burnt at the stake. The geocentric theory still holds true you ignorant fucks.

>>3165742
troll a little harder.

>>3165738

wat.

What does it mean if i have to use extra buttpaper when i shit? I thought i was following a good diet... but now i am not so sure

>>3165736
>scientific proof, open to peer review
>controlled by the government

fuck off conspiracyfag

>>3165730
Seriously, it makes perfect sense if you're a scifag anyways.

>people are made of stuff from this earth
>vitamins and minerals come from the earth
>only natural that earthly subtances would make us healthier
>thus earthlings

Well I see this thread quickly digressed from troll-initiated argument fodder to posts about proper diet and clean poop. Nice job folks.

>>3165742
what? but why?! D:

>>3165753
sounds like loose stools, or you hve big buttcheeks.

have you gone on a diet recentlY? too much caffine causes it too

>>3165754
ahahaha Government controls everything. That's why it was created.
>derp.

>>3165753

Are you on your period? I find that when I'm on the rag I shit a lot.

>>3165762
inb4 poison mushrooms

>>3165767
must be caffine.
>>3165775

nope im a guy

>>3165753
You may be following a good diet, but have you given thought about the possibility that your arse is so dirty because of all the stuff you keep inserting there?

>>3165775
>mfw

>>3165782
caffine is terrible. a good modern diet consist of fish, well cooked cow, a couple fruits and veggies with water.


follow this diet and you wont get shit all over everything anymore

>>3165801
>a good modern diet
>modern diet

hipster faggot

>>3165809
haha

>>3165809
a hipster would eat some fucking weird fruit that no one's heard of. hipsters are rarely "modern" because it's too fucking common. i don't think you know what "hipster" means.

Why is everyone going on about poop now?

>>3165822
hipsters are finicky weirdos with issues. 'nuff said.

>>3165828
Because shit matters.

>>3165809
>hipsters eating what health professional recommends

Lol no.

>>3165834
either way you were way off with your assumption of who i am.

i say modern just to say it, i dont give fucks.

>>3165842
if you don't give fucks, then why argue to defend yourself?

>>3165852
i have argued nothing, you have me confused with another poster.


also i enjoy how this thread went from a shit thread to a shit thread..

also, is a holly a type of oak tree?

>>3165871
U MAD?

>>3165466

You must be young or stupid or unschooled.

>>3165871
I'd say this thread went pretty well.

Good show ol' chaps. Glad we could have a respectful but rousing intellectual discussion full of interesting ideas and topics, between civil-minded, level-headed people of calm demeanor and sane mind.

I read this entire thread and all I got for it was a lower IQ.

>>3165913
It should have expanded your concepts of perception.

>>3165904
You must be old or ignorant or unwise.

>>3165907
thanks man it was fun talking with you too.

>>3165906
brofist.jpg

>>3165928

Put in the same place religion and science...

This is the proof that your mind is inconsistent

>>3165951
see
>>3165609

still disagree, then you have failed to accept facts.

>>3165955

One word : Faith

No faith in science. You do not believe without proof, just by faith.

>>3165985
see
>>3165528
>>3165560

>>3166002

OMG

Don't mixing everything please and learn to use and understant words.

Try to find the main difference between " I believe in God " and " I believe in sciences "...

Of course, me, as a biologist, i believe in sciences as a tool to improve the human condition for example.

I do not believe in the Reason which would come to save us by magic.

Please, stop mixing everything

>>3166046
but wasn't religion first established to improve the human condition?
>10 commandments
>people generally oblige by them even if not religious

>>3166184

Don't show this, this make me cry...

>>3166184
>implying christianity is the only religion

>>3166207


In Europe, in middle age, yes it was the big big big big big majority.

>>3166207
>>3166217
actually, it was the muslims who SAVED knowledge and continued going about with mathematics and science. Not all of it, but for them it was an interest.

For the christians, it was pointed as useless, and if it was contradictary of the doctrine blasphemy.

>>3166184
though i do think this chart is kind of bullshit psuedo-thinking, with people posting it or awknowledging it as a direct correlation without thinking of any other context of that time...nor the fact that back then life kind of was horrible and most people died when they were children, or if they were lucky in thire 40's so i do feel that religion kind of held a porpouse and i strongly doubt that the majority of you would fare better.

But yes, Christianity did do quite a bit of harm to science.