/sci/ - Science & Math

because of the state of the reality?

fuck you!
i am now commencing my dump of all anti-agnostic related images.

i repeat: fuck you!

We're backed up be science. FLYING BATHTUBS FUCK YEH!

>>3161812
can you not see the fallacy in all of these images?

last one.
fuck you
also, this is /sci/ your religious related shit doesnt even belong here.

INB4 hypocrisy etc.

i cant actually post the image, its a duplicate entry apparently. i'll just post something else...

ITT: Atheists get butthurt

>>3161833
>british flag
Isn't that cute

>>3161840
correction, only 1 person has become visibly butthurt in this thread

>>3161847
yeh, i think its pretty cool.

and yeh, might have been slightly more butthurt than necesssary, but w/e, point made.

Religion: 2+4 is 7.
Science: No, it's 6.
Religion: IT. IS. 7.
Science: No, it can't be 7, it is 6. Look, if you add...
Religion: It is 7 because my holy book says so.
Science: That makes no sense! You can't just...
Religion: I can't hear you!
Agnosticism: You're both wrong, it's 6.5.

>>3161859
>implying 2+4 isn't 24
Silly scientists.

The trouble with ye olde internet agnostic is that things like "you can't know X" are said without, often, a real sense of what they mean by "know / not know". Props when this doesn't happen, but often it's the case.

>>3161833
>using american condiments for an english flag

Troll thread, but for anyone who's unsure:

"Agnosticism" as in "not believing in god or believing he doesn't exist" is a form of atheism. "theism" is the belief in a deity, which agnostics do not have, therefore they are "atheist" or lacking in belief in a deity. They aren't "antitheists", directly opposed to religion as some atheists are, but they are not in the middle ground as the middle ground does not exist.

The four kinds of people are:
Gnostic theist
Agnostic theist
Agnostic atheist
Gnostic atheist
and only the second and third are rational positions to hold, regardless of the evidence for of against the existence of god.

>>3161859
A better analogy (although Christianity specific) is when the bible says that pi = 3.0

>>3161885
There is no such thing as an agnostic theist.
Get your shit straight.

>>3161890
would you lurk the fucking thread before posting??
you insufferable newfag.

>>3161893
"one who believes in god, but is not certain that god exists"

>>3161893
There is. you can believe in god without thinking your belief is must be correct in the same sense you can believe in the lack of a god without thinking your belief must be correct.

saging because /sci/ is better without this on the front page.

>>3161891
Chronicles 4:2 He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.

>>3161891
Semantics at that point.

>>3161893
I posted the grammatically correct version I made.
You gonna get mad at me for being better?

>>3161907
who are you? why are you pretending to be me?

>>3161881
did you know that only a tiny percentage of the population cares about such "small" details?

>>3161912
Linked to wrong post. Whatever.

>>3161916
There's a fucking huge difference. The whole scientific establishment is based upon acknowledging that difference and trying to make it as small as possible in whatever we do.

>>3161900
>>3161901
>>3161907
You're missing the point of religion. These guys KNOW that there is a god.

>>3161929
You're missing the point of being rational. you claim that "these guys KNOW" while providing no evidence, apparently KNOWing that they just KNOW.
I know religious people who can structure a better argument than agnostics, atheists and antitheists. I'd go as far as to say the most logically minded person I have ever met was a Christian.

OP, I considere myself to be an atheist gnostic creationist evolutionist. You see, I could be a theist agnostic "big bangist" antievolutionist, but then people might confuse me with an theist gnostic inteligent designist evolutionist, and I wouldn't want it, would I?

The conflicts "atheist vs agnostics vs religious" is as incoherent than saying "atheist gnostic" or whatever.

They are all ideologies; atheism is more than just believing that there are no deities or God. If you feel the urge to give specifications about your thoughts, don't just stick two ideologies together or take a word and put an "ism" at the end. Say "I consider myself an atheist but...".

>>3161907
>>3161912
>>3161921

pay close attention, haters.
THIS is why i fucking trip.

>>3161928
yes, this is why that tiny percentage usually becomes scientists.

>>3161929
Well of course there is a God, duh.

>>3161929
they dont really know though. they just think they do.

>>3161943
Starting now and ending when I forget to not delete cookies, I'll copy you. Also, I'll do images because that's a cool tripfag thing to do.

>>3161943
No, that's what you use as a rationalization for your attention-whoring bullshit.

>>3161951
lol. welcome to the party.

every so often you get anons hating on tripfags and are like "fucking tripfags! this is an anonymous board, they are all attention whores, anonymity should be forced"
tripfagging allows the conversation to flow and to be easily followed by all, it also prevents impersonation, and confusion as to who posted what.

>>3161957
haha, speak of the devil.

>>3161962
>tripfagging allows the conversation to flow
You ruin every thread you show up in.

>>3161967
Well, I'm right. You claim different reasons for your tripfaggotry whenever someone asks you, which makes it perfectly reasonable to assume that you are in fact full of shit and only tripping for the most obvious reason: Attention.

>>3161969
>others ruin threads where EK shows up
fix'd dat 4 U

>>3161962
You can use temp trips for each thread. Your presence as a perpetual tripfag has never been a good thing.

>>3161969
except the ones where i correctly answer the thread, and those ones i have interesting discussion in, and those ones where i give sound advice?

cool opinion bro.

>>3161982
It's a reaction to her behavior.

>>3161986
I will not rage.

Tripfags just want to feel special and known on the internet, the lowest form of center of attention.

>>3161980
no i dont, i pretty much say the same thing as i said now. or i ignore them, or a troll them. i usually cant be bothered giving honest replies to haters.

>>3161982
yep. the haters ruin the threads, it cant turn into a shitstorm with just me and some friendly anons. they cause it all.

>>3161984
opinions opinions opinions.
<<<

>>3161986
Which category do these ones belong to?

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>>3161986
EK posting that girl is terrible, please do us a favor and stop and/or find someone more attractive in the slightest. She is a literal chore to look at and looks like she has fetal alcohol syndrome.

Captcha: entsigai humanism

agnostics are confused faggots

they unequivocally reject the existence of fantastic creations like unicorns, superman, celestial teapots, and everything else. except one. the force that allegedly created the universe and controls your life is the sole idea that receives the benefit of the doubt.

the only reason for an agnostic to be able to ignore such cognitive dissonance is the power of the crowd. the agnostic is a weakling in the face of such power. in the agnostic's mind, a critical mass has formed around the ideas of contemporary religion -- too many people believe in it and too many of them base their lives around it, thus it cannot be opposed without causing great turmoil in those around him. so his sole agnosticism, against a background of unmoving atheism with respect to all other fictional creations, comes from an overriding fear of offending others. the agnostic would rather cede territory on the battlefield of reason than to see anyone get hurt.

he is, in short, a pussy
agnostics like op are not only pussies, they are proud of their faggotry

>>3161999
>no i dont, i pretty much say the same thing as i said now.
Yes, you do, you fucking liar. Don't you remember when you claimed that you were only tripping as a means to help newbies identify you as a useful and trustworthy source of information?

>>3162001

a) interesting discussion for the most part

b) me giving an answer to the thread, and then haters spouting garbage and me responding to them...not a great thread, but ive had worse.

>>3162003
Gotta agree. I have nothing against her, but those stills make her look like a retard.

>implying God isn't the supreme leader of the Universal Council of Aliens
>implying Aliens aren't science

>>3162009
that as well, there are many reasons, some of which i might not have listed here...maybe they will come to mind later.
refute this or STFU: >>3161962

>>3162006

biased categorical presumption, much?

>>3162023
I'll refute it, you can do the same exact thing anonymously. I know I've done it.

Mandatory wikipedia link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gnosticism

>>3162033
The literal interpretation of gnostic is simply 'to know'.

Your argument is unrelated.

>>3162023
You say that it allows the conversation to flow when more than ever people will disregard the main topic (as shitty it might be) to insult the tripfag. Thus, it does not help the conversation to flow, especially when, on the tripcoder side, he tries to defend himself. Like in my post. Instead of answering OP, I treated as stupid tripcoder's post.

Stop talking about yourself god damn it.

>>3162031
me:
>tripfagging allows the conversation to flow and to be easily followed by all, it also prevents impersonation, and confusion as to who posted what.

you:
>you can do the same exact thing anonymously

no you cant.
EK's laying the smackdown.
EK says
EK says
EK says
no your wrong, and shut your mouth.

>>3162023
I already did. You showing up in any thread is by no means beneficial to the flow of the conversation. You're a disruptive cunt, and the people (me included) who react negatively to you don't do so, because they hate tripfags in general, but because ----YOU----, YOU SPECIFICALLY, are an insufferably airheaded, bullshit-babbling attention whore.

>>3162023
>refute this or STFU
It's been done, you insufferable whore.
>>3161969
>>3161984

You should just use a temp trip for each thread that needs clearly identifiable people. If you want to be recognized between threads, that's just attention whoring.

>>3162040
I'm doing it right now, again point refuted. I've done it in the past as well. I'm sorry you're simple brain can't tell distinct posting styles apart, it's not hard. I'm sorry you can't have a conversation without everybody knowing who you are. I'm also sorry that you are honestly trying to argue something that everybody else on this board does with ease.

>>3162041
cool story bro.

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>>3162053
your simple brain* I should pay attention to what I type, but whatever.

>>3162055
I swear you're one of the most effective trolls I've seen. No matter how many times you blatantly prove that you're a troll, this shit still continues.

>religion:
>6 is made from 2+4

>Implying religion is logical and rational

A better one would be this

Atheism:
>6 is made from 3*2

Religion:
>6 is because it is, it was made that way by an intelligent designer don't question why or how its not for you to question its a universal truth

Agnosticism:
>why the fuck are you arguing? it could be either and we will never know.

>>3162053
fact: post confusion and impersonation can happen between anons occasionally

fact: post confusion and impersonation can NOT occur ever with tripfags.

>>3162059

>>3162055
Counterback or STFU
>>3162039

>>3162067
Well to be fair, there isn't much question why it's 6, it just is, that's just how the law of the universe is, God or not.

>>3162070

>>3162064
not really trolling atm. not intentionally at least.
its just the standard 'tripfag justification' vs 'tripcode haters' discussion. comes up every so often.

>>3162068
1. Only if you're an idiot with no obvious insight, even then, it's not a big deal at all.

2. I've personally seen tripfags be impersonated, you're an idiot.

>>3162074

>>3162039
the thread being derailed is the fault of the haters, not the tripfag. the tripfag is blameless.

>>3162040
you're*

>>3162068
DON'T IGNORE MY PERFECT REFUTATION OF YOUR BULLSHIT
>>3162049
>You should just use a temp trip for each thread that needs clearly identifiable people. If you want to be recognized between threads, that's just attention whoring.

>>3162090
STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT YOURSELF

>>3162090

Shut up, fag.

>>3162089

>>3162090
No it is your fault. Had you never had a trip in the first place and shit up threads, then there would be no arguing.

>>3162073

Scientists don't try to claim we know how or why the universe is how it is, we just try to understand and explain how it works to the best of our abilities.

It fits my post quite well actually.

>>3162090
LOOK AT THE SECOND POST! HOW THE HECK ARE YOU NOT TO BLAME?

Damn, EK must have been that student that each time talked, people went "The fuck is it talking about?"

>>3162097
Everyone's to blame.
Anon are to blame for paying attention to the tripfag rather than the thread
Tripfag is to blame for continuing to tripfag despite knowing that Anon will pay attention to him rather than the thread

>>3162083
not successfully impersonated. if you look carefully enough at the tripcode, you can spot which one is fake.

>>3162087
ah, i didnt spot that. my mistake.

>>3162088
the trip stays in the name box. theres no point in making a new trip for each thread when i can just use the same one. theres no point at all wasting my time changing the name.

>>3162108
More like he was that kid in class with the superiority complex and when he said something everyone was like "Wow, what a pompous jackass, no wonder he has no friends."

ITT: people that believe agnosticism and atheism are mutually exclusive.

>mfw

>>3162092
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>>3162097
>>3162108

ahhaahahah!
oh wow.

>>3162113
Not if they guess your tripcode or it gets leaked. It's how we've always dealt with tripfags, impersonating them until they cry and leave.

>>3162119
FUCKING ANSWER IT
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>>3162108
the thread wasnt initially derailed. the second post ITT and my subsequent posts were relevant to the thread. it was only when you asshats showed up that the thread started to be derailed.

>>3162122
my '#taxon' one was discovered. i now have a new one.

>>3162124
calm down, faggot. see: >>3162113

This thread was shit from the beginning, you showing up EK didn't help.

>>3162132
And so will this one.

>>3162125
As soon as anyone responds to you, you begin to talk about yourself.
>>3161855
Then you just kick i up a notch and attention whore without anyone even responding to you
>>3161943

Then it's just a shitstorm in which you just. won't. fucking. stop.

>>3162135
When EK shows up everyone gravitates around her. Ek is a star.

Love you forever, EK. <3 :x

>>3162125
Wow... I've rarely seen such closed-minded eyes-shut about one's own behaviour...

It's not even funny (not that it ever was), you should really go seek help or, at least, go with people and try to discover more about yourself.

"Fuck you" is where that shit derailed. Troll images without reflexion is where it derailed. Excessive posting is where it derailed. I've got nothing more to say but "please, stop doing this to yourself".

>>3162132
You claim that you care about the "flow" of threads, and can't even make a random trip?

Fuck you. There are tripfags that are tolerable, but you're the fucking worst. I mean, Josef doesn't pull this shit. HE'S helpful and on-topic, as far as I've seen. No attention whoring.

>>3162142
EK, if you're going to post without your trip be more subtle about it.

>>3162137
it is a random string of letters and numbers, that just happens to have 'EK' as the first 2 letters that it comes out with on the tripcode.
my last one was found using a dictionary attack. taxon is a real word, so it was discovered.
the same type of attack will not find this one, and even if it somehow was discovered, i could always make a new one again.

>>3162142
its not exactly the good kind of attention, but yeh they seem pretty pissed off.

>>3162147
Don't forget Col. C.Mug, he's probably my favourite poster here ever.

EK, I have an idea. Do what I'm doing.

Look at me I'm a giant faggot.

>>3162152
STOP FUCKING REPLYING TO YOUR OBVIOUS SHITTY SAMEFAGGING
NO ONE WANTS YOU HERE

>>3162149

>>3162144
my initial images were on topic.

>>3162149
was not me. fuck you, believe whatever you like. i'm already suspected of being 3 different girls and 1 guy.

I'm EK and I'm gay, look at me everybody! LOOOOOK AT MEEEEE!

I bet EK is a girl, irrational and stupid.

>>3162155
just the tripcode on its own?
i could do, it still says EK. but meh, it makes no difference.

>>3162167
nice sweeping generalised sexism you have there, brah.

Dude, nobody cares if you're a tripfag. We care because you're a terrible person who contributes nothing.

>>3162174
You're welcome. Nice stupidity you got going there.

>>3162171
go with a different tripcode then.
Use the first word in your captcha backwards.

Sure, it was on topic. I agree it wasn't a picture of a horsecock. Now, it's not because it's on the subject that it's relevant, appropriate or even remotly adequate. If there is a topic about the damn rwandese genocide and I come and say "Well, fuck africans, hutus were just mad at tutsi, stupid nigger". It's on the subject, but so fucking stupid.

Like your posts. They are on the subject, but irrelevant. And stupid.

The use of "fuck yous", this is /sci/ but I'll respond without sage, here's just a troll image, another fuck you, that's not on the topic.

You really seem to be a sad failure of what could have been an "ok" student.

>>3162178
>terrible person
im not sure what i've done to deserve such an opinion.

>contributes nothing.
is false. I help in some threads.

this thread has gone on long enough, haters are just re-using tired old arguments. sage it, go to better threads.

captcha: cast-iron faccon

Haters gonna hate

Look at me, I'm CLEARLY not an attention whore

>>3162191
And that's how you do it /sci/. You just call him a terrible person.

>>3162192
one last post. saging and goodbye.

I'm glad we settled this issue

>>3162205
>I had enough attention. My daily dose of human contact is satisfied.

Plus, >>3162190

>>3162209
>one last post
>make two posts
>ignore
>>3162189

You don't need a name, having a tripcode gives you the continuity and makes it harder for people to glance at the name, see EK, and assume a troll is you.

>>3162209
>slu1
thought it said 'slut' in the tripcode.
lol.

>>3162209
Eat a dick

>>3162216
no you!

>>3162214
>>3162216
That isnt the real EK. someone just found like the 1st 4 letters of her tripcode.
lol, it says 'slu1' must be a sign!

>>3162224
you so mad

(This is kinda fun!)

>>3162233
heh, didn't notice that. Proves my point somewhat though, doesn't it?

EK forever!!!

You're all a bunch of faggots. at least EK left the thread. you are all more annoying than her.

>>3162240
>blame the effect, not the cause

>>3162245
learn to sage. and EK isnt even the cause of all this, you faggots just wont shut up about her.

>>3162245
>Implying there isn't a cause of EK's disruptive nature
>implying it isn't your own urge to stop him from claiming a position of dominance
>implying you blame this

>>3162254
>>3162256
She'll never touch your dicks.

>>3162261
I dont want her too. i'm married and she seems like a bit of a tomboy anyway.

>>3161805

>seriously, how is atheism any more logically correct than religion?

That's it, it's not. Atheism, theism, it doesn't matter. Your decision to which one you believe is going to based on your feelings. No matter how much you try to justify it to yourself, it's still going to be based on your feelings.

>>3162261
You're right, I have a very busy schedule.

no one can "know" if a god exists or not because we live in a four dimensional spacetime and a divine being would exist outside of that. There are only people who believe, don't believe, or people who are unsure.

people who say they "know" there is a god or they "know" there isn't one are just flat out incorrect.

>>3162271
Ingesting semen

>>3162271
>>3162278
the sad thing is that some of these fake EK's could well be the real EK just attention whoring further.

>>3162285
are*
>>3162278
Damn right, nigga

I've been on /sci/ for years, but who the fuck is EK?

>>3162298
>years
good luck with that!

>>3162303

I...shall?

>>3162298
I'm EK.

>>3162304
What I mean by that is that /sci/ is not two years old.

>>3162309
how long has the real EK been here? it must have been at least a year.

>>3162298
I'm EK.

>>3162316
been here since like 4ever, hun

>>3162317
>>3162322
your all faggots. i like the real EK. the rest of you can go and die.

>>3162325
whatevs, hun, haters gonna hate

>>3162325

All EK are fucktards, especially the "real" one, which is probably you.

>>3162333
Real EK seems alright, except when threads end up being derailed by the morons she responds to.

Tripcodes were vital to the community in the beginning when people came from namefag boards.

However, we've pushed past it. Anonymity provides a much fairer system of organisation and regulation. It is democratic in the purest sense. The power which we all contend for is contained not in identity but in the validity of your argument.

>>3162361
Thanks for bumping the thread you idiot, we nearly had it off page 1. Your talking shit anyway.

EK has left to have a good cry over how hard her attempt at chan fame has backfired. I think we should give it a rest.

>>3162373
She's still here, she's posting in other threads. She probably doesnt even care about any of the shit still going on in this thread

i made this thread

>>3162383
Good for you, fucking agnostic EK already showed you agnostics are just atheists anyway

>>3162381
She does. She cares about every single post that deals with her. She even scans the GreenOval archives for her name in case she missed something.

>>3162383
When you get over 100 replies. Feelsgoodman. It's a nice break from crippling loneliness.

>Atheists
>Point out to creationists that god doesn't exist

>Creationists
>Point out to everyone that god exists

>Agnostics
>Point out that we'll never know, so then points it out to everyone...

I'm neither of the three, I'm just going to shut up. Religion wouldn't of existed without men, but I think it was necessary of science.

When you say "I'm agnostic" you're saying "I am without knowledge." You're effectively calling yourself a retard.

>>3162331
You are a fucking faggot. All your tripcode does is allow me to see that one fag is ruining the thread, not multiple fags

>>3162390
Ha. I bet she is still reading this thread even if she isnt posting.

>>3162394
Ha. that isnt even the real EK.

>>3162399
I so am.