/sci/ - Science & Math

Computer Science
2.7
diagnostician

premeds are the scum of the earth in my experience.

>>3075873

They're forced to be extremely competitive to get into med school. If that's what you mean.

Neuroscience
3.7
Neurosurgery

>>3075869
>2.7

that's not getting you into med school.

memorizing/asian
4.0
thinking i'm smart

Economics
4.0
Orthopedic Surgeon

>>3075964
Premeds on average aren't any more intelligent than other college grads, and nobody in this thread claimed they were.

Go be mad elsewhere.

>>3075967

Thought about that for a while. What made you choose it?

>>3075992
Orthopedic Surgery?

>>3075997

Yes

What did u niggers get on SAT? and did that shit help you get into premed?

>>3076011
1430
You don't "get into" premed, you just take the required courses for med school.

>>3076020
What college do you go to? Also can you take engineering classes as well as premed classes? just incase shit fucks up?

Well surgery interests me. I have people I know who are orthopedic surgeons.
Good pay, job seems important and will always be needed. Wide range of applications, possibility of further specialization. Thought about brain surgery but seems a bit too sketchy. Also I think I'll have plenty of time to think about what I want to be in medical school but for now this seems good.

>>3076038
University of Texas

You could take engineering but most don't because it would fuck their GPA(you need 3.5+ to be competitive).

Although if you could handle the workload and still have time for research you definitely could.

>>3076038
premed isn't a major, you get a major in basically whatever you want, you just have to cover premed requirements, its tough but you can do that with engineering, a lot of people do biomedical engineering, but you can do whatever major you want, some people do shit like philosophy or math.

Well surgery interests me. I have people I know who are orthopedic surgeons.
Good pay, job seems important and will always be needed. Wide range of applications, possibility of further specialization. Thought about brain surgery but seems a bit too sketchy. Also I think I'll have plenty of time to think about what I want to be in medical school but for now this seems good.
>>3076006

>>3076038
University of Texas

You can major in anything you want as long as you get the premed classes in, so you could take engineering but most don't because it would fuck their GPA(you need 3.5+ to be competitive).

Although if you could handle the workload and still have time for research you definitely could.(it won't impress med schools though as they don't care about major)

>>3076011
>get into pre med

>>3076057
whatd u get on SAT out of 2400?

>>3076038
Shits hard to do. Especially because they're both heavy courseloads. Go for it though, because people have done it.

>>3076092

2110

>>3076098
shit nigga, what math did u graduate taking?

>>3076106

You mean in HS?
Calc AB

>>3076117
What are you majoring in?

1) Neurobiology
2) 3.7
3) Neurology

I eventually want to focus on research but for the time being ( and the next ~15 years of my life) I'll be practicing medicine.

>>3076117
Also do you think most people who take premed classes actually get in and make it through med school?

>>3076067

What seemed sketchy about neuro?
Only real downside I can see is the fuckhuge residency.

>>3076122
see >>3075908

>>3076125
I'm not sure about the numbers but I think the average med school admission rate is about 50%. I could be wrong.

>>3076125
>>3076137
About 20 - 30 percent of applicants get in from what I've seen but that may be skewed because some schools have counselors that say "everyone should try" but others, more competitive schools try to discourage those who they think will fail.

>>3076137
Let's say you specifically don't get into med school (not saying that you won't) how much would u end up making with the neuro science degree verses the neuro surgury

>>3076137
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>>3076137
most reputable graduate engineering schools don't even have acceptance rates that high.

>>3076161

We'll I'd have to go for a PhD to do anything with neuro, and I'd definitely be making a lot less.

That's part of the reason I'm considering switching majors (maybe chem/bio-chem) so I'll at least have some other choices. Because neuroscience degrees are pretty worthless right now.

Neurosurgeons make bank but have almost no lives outside work, and have to get through a 7 year residency after med school.

>>3076174
Med schools individually have about 5 percent admissions but because medical students apply en masse the total average is higher. Also the pre-med process is pretty good at weeding out the week.

>>3076161
Guy with BS in neuroscience not interested in med school here. With neuroscience you've more or less got the same opportunities as a person with a degree in biology. And psychology. Which is to say you can do either academic research or government research, or maybe if you get really lucky you can find a way to squeeze yourself into the private sector. Obviously you'll need a PhD to do anything substantial though, so don't go down this path unless you're ready to go in for the long haul.

>>3076194
7 years?

>>3076137
No, the total med school admission rate is more like 50%, half of people who apply to med schools get rejected from all of them.

>>3076164
>>3076174

I meant the percentage of premeds that end up in med school. i worded that badly.

>>3076126
I don't know really but I think cutting up people's brain is first of all more prone to mistakes and problems and also neurosurgery doesn't seem like a show you could take on the road. But this is me speaking before getting into med school. When we get in we'll see whether or not we end up what we plan to be. Most people I've met tell me you shouldn't bet on ending up as what you planned to be you might find out you are pre-disposed to something else. I may end up doing neurosurgery for all I know.

>>3076205

Well I threw the internship in there so without that it only like 5-6.

dontworryaboutit

>>3076249
Dude if i want to become one ill be a fucking old man by the time i get out, what good is a neuro surgeon if you're about to croak over and die

>>3076260

18+4+4+7=33

You'd start working at 26 but would get paid shit until you finish residency.
And yea, you have to have a passion for it. Which is why I am in no way certain its what I want to do.

>>3076205
Neurosurgery is a shit career in terms of length of training. And not just because of how long it takes, but also because of the forced retirement age (don't want an old brain surgeon who's hands aren't as nimble as they used to be). When you take that into account you get to spend a whopping 10 years doing surgery before you're done.

>>3076225
>I think cutting up people's brain is first of all more prone to mistakes and problems
Yeah, the part that a lot of neurosurgeons don't like to admit is that every time they do surgery they HAVE to fuck up the patient's brain. It has nothing to do with a lack of skill and everything to do with the fact that you can't go jabbing instruments into the brain without causing collateral brain damage. Hence why neurosurgeons try to choose "clinically silent" areas to go digging through to get to the tumor/blood vessel/seizure focus/whatever. Of course, as any neuroscientist will tell you, there is no such thing as a "clinically silent" area in the brain, only areas that produce delayed/hard to detect behavioral deficits when damaged (for example, the left prefrontal cortex is a favorite spot; the patient appears completely normal while in the hospital and its not until they get back home for a few weeks that they discover they now get turned on by a wide variety of sexual fetishes).

>>3076288
I'd imagine you could work until your 55ish
55-33=22 years

>>3076249
When are you applying? To med school. When are you taking the MCAT?

>>3076304
Try 40

>>3076304
seems like rocket scientist is a better choice, 40 years of building spaceships

>>3076313
what the fuck are you smoking? If thats the case then im becoming an anesthesiologist

>>3076288
However, a lot of neurosurgery today is done with robots and computers and laser and magnets. So I'm not 100 percent sure if dexterity is a huge factor.
Sorry for contradicting my own point. But I'm not sure anything is possiblt.

>>3076310

graduate in 2 yrs. I've got some time. why?

>>3076334
Just curious.

>>3076323

A better choice out of what? Careers with cool sounding names?

>>3076343

Good, I was afraid you were going to tell me about some upcoming change to the training process that would make this take even longer.

International Relations
3.6
I'm not sure yet if I'm going to med school or law school, but I have my science classes pretty much covered. B+ in organic chem hurt me, though.

Was pre-pharm (same courses)

Dropped and doing biochem 2nd semester in. No way I'd be able to handle orgo, A&P, and physics sophomore year at the same time + still work my 20 hours a week. I have to keep working my job to pay for books and my GPA would not be near a 3.7, nor would I be able to have extra-curriculars besides my job. =(

My hats off to other pre-med/pharms though, tough schedule to cram in 2 years.

Biochemistry
4.0
Dermatology

Always wanted to do derm since I went for my first visit when I was really young.

This applies to all my fellow premedfags (myself included).

>>3076224
oh ok, nevermind.

>>3076389
Sorry, this is the first thing that comes to mind when i hear dermatologist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgupJ2WN0Zw
Scrubs

1) History major, Cell and Molecular Biology minor
2) 3.0 so far (still got four semesters left)
3) General surgery, Internal Medicine, Family Practice, or whatever I match into (in that order).

I wouldn't mind attending a low-tier DO school in the mid-west or whatever. I'll even go to school in the Caribbean or Mexico if it means I become a physician.

My main goal, in all honesty, is to get the MD (DO will do), have a stable career and income, and provide for my future wife and kids. Helping out my fellow man is a nice byproduct of my career of choice. At the very least, I'm not a societal leech like the financefags or whatever. The prestige and salary of being a physician is a nicer bonus, as well, but those aren't the reasons I'm becoming a doctor.

pic unrelated (as usual)

>>3076389
>>3076381

How hard do you guys find biochem? Any problems keeping a competitive GPA while doing research/extracurriculars?

economics
3.9
doctoring balance sheets

>>3076448

I forgot to add Anesthesiology. Those guys have chill schedules.

>premed god tier reporting in

1) Biology & Mathematics
2) 3.7
3) General Surgery. Other options I've investigated: Neurology (internal medicine), neurosurgery, cosmetic

MED school
fuck GPAs
fuck specialization, General for the fucking win.

>>3076484
>I'm one of those pricks that ruined the grading curve for everyone and I never let you borrow my notes.

>>3076451
Biochem major here. Difficulty depends on the cirriculum. I've seen some majors be classified as "biochem" but they're more molecular and cellular biology. The other version which I'm doing is being a chemistry major with a minor in molecular and cellular biology.

As for difficulty, biology classes are a joke for the most part, multivariable calculus,physics, and physical chem are a bit harder but as long as you do the work and study you should come out fine.

>>3076488

Specialize, man. Even a specialty in Family Practice is better than a general practitioner.

>>3076488
>he aspires to be a general practicioner

>>3076507
trust me, once you're 2nd year in you don't want to continue.
luckily i'm in Canada and don't have the crazy debts most americans have, but i'm seriously exhausted.

>>3076389
>>3076389
Yes do dermatology. I went to the dermatologist a few years back cause i had bad acne. He injected some medication into a few pimples for me and sprayed my face with some stuff. Few weeks later, I see he charged my insurance company $400 for "surgery". I was in his office for about 5 minutes.

>mfw

>>3076531
I feel terrible for acnefags.

Biology
3.75
Internal Medicine

>>3076527

Then quit.

Fucking general practitioner. Haha.

>>3076451

easier than pre-med since you don't have to switch gears from so many science disciplines, can finally focus on one main discipline.

and yes, many problems keeping a competitive GPA. i honestly don't know how other people do it and get 3.8+ cumulative. i get overwhelmed between work, tense family/home life and responsibilities, and then all the school work i have to start once those responsibilities are taken care of. atm i have no time for research and extra curriculars (wish i did)

ATTENTION PREMEDFAGS

I has a question. I'm samefag as >>3076484. I'm currently doing a biology and math double major (ch3k _em). I recently added my biology major since wanting to go to med school was a recent thing. Should I continue with my bio major (effectively adding one more year before I graduate), or simply stick with only my math program? I figured I needed to learn an assload of bio to be able to do well on the MCAT.

Thoughts?

>>3076602
Your pre-med classes should have you covered for the MCAT. MCAT is bio/ chem+phys / English. You should also either find some course to help you with the MCAT or just buy one of the manuals with a bunch of practice tests you don't need to be a bio major to do well on the MCAT the pre-med classes are enough
Also med school doesn't really care about major, I've actually heard they are look for the "Reinessance man" someone who majors in something non-traditional that is a humanities or people skill.
Also I read your post as if you were yelling the whole time.

>>3076602

Pre-med covers all the bio you need for the MCAT.

If you really, really, REALLY want the words "Biology" on your college diploma, get a minor.

>>3076658
>>3076648

Thanks for the advice, anons. I'll just get a minor in Bio. I guess I can just do extra preparation outside of class.

1. Behavioural Neuroscience
2. 3.8 (Still in CC though)
3. Finding a cure for aspergers/utism.

>>3076597
fuck you i'm practically done.
you'll be calling me Dr. and sucking my left nut faggots.

>>3076648
lol was that last bit of information needed?

>>3076531
LOL same shit happen when I had a few minor skin tags by my arm pit. The doc just sprayed some shit on there- when the bill came, around $400 was charged for "wart removal." Meanwhile I found another bigger skin tag that was hidden in my armpit hair, tryed rubbing alcohol and it just dried up and fell off in a few days.

Also, if your insurance pays for acne treatments, thats fucking amazing.

>>3076688
>3. Finding a cure for aspergers/utism.

Please do.

>>3076706
Probably not.

>>3076700

I don't have respect for apathetic, unmotivated people.

Enjoy your shit-tier career, "doctor."

>>3076683

Yeah, dude. Here's what I'm gonna do:

1. Register for late August or early September MCAT.
2. Register for a $2500-MCAT-summer-boot-camp (Thank you, financial aid).
3. 8 hours a day, 5 days a week MCAT prep from May to August.
4. 30+ on the MCAT.
5. ????
6. PROFIT!!!!

I've spoken to medical students as well as recent medical graduates, and they say that the content of the MCAT is not difficult (it's undergrad science). It's the delivery, they way questions are asked and stuff. Basically, take as many practice MCAT exams as you can in MCAT-like settings.

Good luck.

lol, pre-med. in normal countries you go straight from high school to 6-year med school. no need to get some shitty undergrad degree when you want to do medicine.

>>3076791
>mfw American medical schools are the only respected ones

1) Biology
2) 3.9
3) They say not to be set on a specialty before med school. I'm partial to neurology or oncology. I liked the idea of being an ob/gyn, but their malpractice insurance is skyrocketing.

>>3076802
>mfw French schools train top-level researchers

>>3076791

>>3076816

Yeah, but they're French, and their research is in French.

Last time I checked, nobody gave a fuck about France.

>>3076816
>>3076802
>>3076791
>>3076817
>>3076886
Bros bros bros... science knows no boundaries. Its all metric here!

Question:

What year are you supposed to be taking the MCATs in? assuming you're going to med school right after graduating from undergrad

End of 3rd year right?

You can pretty much take it at end of second year if you finish the courses you need to know your stuff.
Most people wait till 3rd or 4th year, some to be better knowledgable about the MCAT content, some to finish their Bsc.

>>3076915

Traditionally, yes. But not everyone fits the 4-year college sequence. Some people switched their majors around, others fucked around in junior college, etc.

Talk to your pre-professional health advisor (San Diego State University has a great one, u jelly?).

Psychology/English minor/Pre-med
3.9
Psychiatry or Neuroscience

I'm thinking on going to the naval academy (Annapolis) after HS. Will I be able to get my med school degree while on active duty? and if so, what specialty should I pick if I wanted to be a general doctor or something to that effect? Also thinking on majoring in Chemistry when I go to Annapolis, is this a good choice for a major if I want to be a doctor in the future?

>>3076688
maybe i can go outside and not be a failure then. you're my only hope

>>3076988
Btw, I want to be a doctor in the military, that's the main reason I'm going to Annapolis.

>>3076988
Getting into the DOD med school is notoriously competitive. My uncle did VERY well and still was only an alternate. You would have to bust your ass on an easy day. If you can cut that kind of determination and daily motivation that you'll require, go for it.

>>3075967
they're not exactly similar fields. have you taken an upper division biology or chemistry course beside the mcat reqs? you could be in for a world of hurt, econ is not nearly the same level of content you need to regurgitate.

>>3076591
typical lazy fucktard doing the easiest field just to become a doctor. you are a stupid human being and will live a miserable life

HS grad here,

feel free to crush my dreams, but I want an MD, 2 PhDs, and a M.Eng

How ridiculous am I being?

>>3077164
Oh as ridiculous as the limits you set on yourself. Aim for the Stars, land past the Moon. You can do it, never listen to a naysayer ever again.

>>3076988
personally, i never even considered military academy despite being somewhat interested in becoming an officer because instead of having a college experience with plenty of freedom to do whatever you want for yourself you have the exact opposite
>>3077164
depends, if you have 20 years and several hundred thousand dollars to spend on education you should be fine

>>3077016
I know what I'm getting myself into. I just chose economics because it was quick and I wouldn't mind being an economist as my plan b.
I'm actually about to dive into my pre-med stuff, straight through summer fall winter and spring.
I haven't taken any high level courses but I've always planned to be a doctor, economics was just a side note.

>>3077210
>>3077212

Thank you

>>3077266
It's very doable but it will take forever. You might as well become a MD and then learn the other ones on your own. You don't need a PhD to validate your own knowledge, only to prove it to others.

>>3075865
Awww look at all the cute little chromosome pairs.

>>3077288

Well won't I need them to have access to resources so that I can actually contribute to the field?

>>3077331
Well if you want to contribute then it's going to be a bit hard to be a doctor. If you learn other disciplines on your own well enough you would be able to cross over. Doctors working with m.engineers on prosthetics, maybe applying physics to humans like radiation therapy except cooler. One of the big things is that after being someone's bitch for 8-12 years as a doctor you might now want to be someone's bitch again in a PhD program.
Physics isn't really a secret, you pretty much have access to all the important material out there. By spreading yourself too thin you won't accomplish too much. But if you specialize in one field and try to bring in other things you might succeed.
I actually had an idea and a little dream of mine to try to bring the field of physics and medicine together. I mean quantum mechanics are at use in things from microscopes, gps, to some theoretical touchscreens. It seems reasonable that medicine might be the next step. Or for human/machine stuff. Work to integrate human nerve system with electronics. People will welcome you with open arms if you have physics knowledge and an MD even if you don't have a PhD but have a great idea on somehow bringing two disciplines together.

>>3077379

Hmmmm... good stuff, thanks.