/sci/ - Science & Math

No one knows.

musculature and motor neurons.

>>implying pig are self aware.

To be self aware just means to comprehend that you exist. We put animals in front of mirrors. If the animal realises it is seeing its own reflection the animal must be aware of its own existance.

>>3058230

there is an entire field of study about it. its called cognitive science

i've thought about this myself. what is the most basic impetus behind movement? if you think about a single cell moving or reproducing, what is the catalyst?

>>3058238

Well, not really. As far as I know, they just study the mind as if it was a computer. If you want to understand consciousness, you better study some neurobiology and philosophy of mind.

Consciousness is a state of being, it is being aware of oneself and the things around you as-well as being able to formulate thought. IMO.

>>3058220
consciousness is the soul. while Déjà vu is memory stored in your DNA.

Also your picture of newton.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Newton's_occult_studies Also newton used the Kabbalah to predict the earth would end in 2060.

How can consciousness form from material organic compounds? Like carbon, nitrogen, sodium, calcium, oxygen, hydrogen, and all the elements which comprise our brain...How can atoms arrange in a manner so as to know itself!

basically the idea is that when an organism becomes sufficiently complex, its mental life becomes rich enough to exhibit certain properties, such as abstract thought. all organisms have sensors, like eyes, ears, tactile sensors, etc. at a certain point, the organisms gain "sensors" of their sensors; they are capable of governing/analyzing their sensors. for example, if i put a picture of a tiger behind you while you are looking in a mirror, you dont get scared. why? because you are able to generalize about your environment and can discern the input from your eyes. the aggregate of these sensors of sensors, sufficient computing speed, and several other factors, are what we call consciousness.

>Is there a dichotomy between organisms that move but simply live (plants, sponges), and organisms which are self aware

There's a distinction but not a dichotomy, as there are different levels of what is termed "self-awareness." The most basic form amounts to simply understanding that one has a body.

While the determination can become difficult in individual cases the alternative you present is simply absurd.

>>3058220
As we are in the mind of God.
The Mental universe - http://www.gnostic.org/kybalionhtm/kybalion5.htm
The Holographic universe theory - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holographic_principle

>>3058251
>Also newton used the Kabbalah to predict the earth would end in 2060.
strange coincidence that it coincides closely with the estimated year of peak oil

I hope this changes the direction this thread has.

Take a good look.

>>3058258
>inb4 evolution

I know that was the mechanics. I want to know how on a basic level such a thing is even possible.

>>3058269
So you've read the reports of how Saudi Arabia has more water injected in their oil fields than oil atm?

>>3058258

if you believe that they can, then that kind of makes you wonder about artificial intelligence, right?

>>3058245

cognitive science is concerned with computers, yes, but thats because it is theorized that computers can become conscious. cog sci is the intersection of philosophy of mind, linguistics, psychology, computer science, epistemology, logic, and certain types of math (probability theory, game theory, graph theory)

>>3058276
Exactly!

>>3058272
pretty much disproves everything creation/spirit/etc fags are supporting.
Its pure biology.

>>3058258
Wikipedia has an article about Wikipedia. Your brain has information about your brain. Its nothing too extraordinary.

>>3058276
if we are going to introduce AI. We surely need to also introduce Transhumanism along with posthumanism with a touch of Quantum mechanics.

consciousness is the illusion of having a choice

and believe me i wish that we really had a choice :(

>>3058299
Freewill = choice of location only.

why do fags who don't understand physics
jump to quantum mechanics in a hope to save themselves?

>>3058307
Because Einstein's greatest principle rest on quantum foam.

>>3058303
free will = choice of what to try

>>3058307
My guess is that http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mysticism is a religion for many people in the science field?

>>3058319
You lack the necessary funding to make your statement honest. So this in essence makes your philosophy and failed philosophy. Because you can't afford your passions & desires. Also you can't fund the education you wish you could have.

>>3058262
Couldn't something be complex without being intelligent?

Are human beings the most complex organizations of matter in the known universe?

Do people that hold this 'idea' believe that things which exist that are more complex than us, but don't exhibit outward signs of intelligence/awareness, are as aware as us?

>>3058330
complexity denotes intelligence.

>>3058308
everything rests on the "quantum foam"
but quantum events are still casual
you have to have some probability for an event to occur
if you don't then the event will simply not occur

>>3058337
complex numbers are complex, but they don't have intelligence.

>>3058237
what is funny is some of them have the ability to be self aware, but arent because of the environment they are raised,

I think what this person is talking about consciousness, varies with the type of animal, there is a distinct difference like plants/animals, can't think of a plant that has a consciousness (similar in the way we do) but animals is a grey area, e.g. difference between insects and fish, centuries ago all animals were seen in a similar light to how we view ants, machines

>>3058350
if the numbers don't denote intelligence why do we need "them" & use "them?" because we just simply must? I mean I'm sure you've been more than overjoyed on 1 of your birthdays if not most all. You celebrate a number each & every year multiple times with multiple people. Yet numbers lack intelligence even if they can be complex? Is your life gray to? Are you depressed a lot lol?

>>3058350
Algorithms = Complex Numbers doing simple to complex things. Look at Watson on Jeopardy, Numbers in a machine being highly intelligent.