/sci/ - Science & Math

>tl;dr

who is cumdumpster?

because the younger generation is already starting to take over the work force. Older employers have to bend to their will if they want to stay competitive.

The problem with hippies were that they were bums and the work force didn't need them. Plus, a majority of them screwed their lives by contracting STDs and destroying their brain with drugs.

>>3055441

Lena

>'60s and '70s

The hippies didn't accomplish anything other than screwing future generations

>>3055526
>Implying the Vietnam war that catalyzed the hippie movement was somehow a good use of human lives

Take it to /new/, fags. Oh wait...

>>3055536
>implying the hippies had any impact on the withdrawal of US troops
They are good at whining and smoking weed though

I was at work talking to an old-lady customer and it came up that I'm dating an indian girl (I'm white) and the customer looks at me and says "Well... it's okay if you get married, but you really shouldn't have kids with her."

That shit made me so mad I lost it and said in a very level voice

>Your xenophobia is going to die with you.

She got a manager but I explained her racism and she isn't welcome in the store anymore.

Shit's changing bro, one dead old person at a time.

liberals believe that creating a false reality will make that reality come true and theyll receive th benefits from the lie. this is why they repeat mantra like "women were oppressed" or "people are born gay" despite the undisputable evidence to the contrary. but the true reality is that racism is natural and no one is equal.

>>3055582
>implying one minority group of lovey-dovey people should be blamed for not taking down a superpower's military industrial complex

>>3055605
Where do you faggots come from?

>>3055592
>>Your xenophobia is going to die with you.

It's sad that it has to come to that. Why do humans such a tough time kicking old biases?

>>3055382
thats why we still have a feudal monarchy. herp durp, you dumb.
basically, here is the run down: there is no historical trend. Governments became more or less stable, economies grow and fall-apart, societies redraw taboo and kosher again and again and again. 30 years ago homosexuality was a mental disorder. Now its hate crime to think that homosexuality is a mental disorder. 2,000 years ago pedestry was awesome, and rape wasn't a crime.


In the future, the european union will fall apart because of monetary policy, chinese growth will falter and then their government will collapse into the bloodiest civil war of the last millenium, destroying our economy as well. Metropolitian areas will depopulate, society will localize, the old taboos will emerge.

>>3055605
Oh look. Another brainwashed kid. Did you parents also tell you that christ will come back one day?

>>3055592
hahahahaha, no it isn't.


Racism might die out, but xenophobia is here to sta.

>>3055616
They should be blamed for being spoiled children that didn't want to work

>>3055655
brainwashed by who? your beliefs are pushed by tv, teachers, interest groups and more all without zero evidence, and many of whom were found to be lying, conspiring, etc to do this exact thing. my beliefs have a few scientific studies and laws of nature backing them up. who exactly is brainwashed here?

>generalizing a generation to argue semantics

stay classy /sci/

>>3055605
So you think people are not born gay?

lrn2modernscience
lrn2gaygene

>>3055661
>Racism might die out
it wont.
Too many neckbeards need a group to feel superior to, to cope with their worthless non-productive lives.

>>3055669
post your sources to back up your claims.
I swear if you post Alex Jones...

>>3055605
indeed

notice that the upcoming liberal shitstorm will contain no proper argument

what is /new/?

>>3055661
Fuck you talking about, you shitfucking hippy.

There has been and will always be an -ism, of one kind or another. Fuck off with your hallucination.

>>3055674
actually the real reason it wont die out is because people dont like seeing their money taken away to be used for a purpose based on a lie. people value truth, thats why "equality" and "reparation" lies will always lead to anger and racism. but of course the only racism you refer to is racism from those who are more intelligent or successful, because you sure as hell wouldnt complain if the angry, poor people were saying "whitey is oppressing us kill whitey" like large black organizations have been caught doing on video and no one says a word

>>3055669
>this is what conservatives who are holding back scientific progress actually believe

>>3055693
>you sure as hell wouldnt complain
Do you frequently pretend you know who people are in order to validate your poor arguments?

just wondering.

also inb4 this thread turns into another BROWN PEOPLE ARE STUPID. HERES MY BIASED DATA HERP

>>3055382
just because change takes a long time it doesn't mean you're "losing"

slavery ended, gays don't have the death penalty anymore, other stuff...

>>3055713
indeed

notice that the upcoming conservative shitstorm will contain no proper argument

Acting like a n1gger will get you killed in most places on earth. They'll kill you for that, even in Africa. ESPECIALLY in Africa.

Except around white people who have tolerance.

It sounds like whites ARE the people with a problem.

ITT: People stuck with time-dependent ideologies.

>>3055713

This.

Change is gradual, and may be happening fairly slowly, but we are at the cusp of some of the most fundamentally earthshattering technologies in history.

Remember Computers? You probably do. Remember how in 10 years they went from a random thing businesses had to an ubiquitos icon?

There are technologies coming, like additive manufacturing, antiagathetics, nanotech, quantum computing, augmented reality, that will have similar or greater effects on society.

There comes a choice in life. One either grows or one decays. Grow or die. I think we should grow. - Robert Zubrin

scifags debating politics
what's next, women talking about math?

>liberals always lose
>yfw you travel back in time 100 years and absolutely everything about you is so radically left that the only way the public sees fit to deal with you is by bringing back an ultra conservative form of corporal punishment to cancel out your liberalism and you find yourself dying of starvation after being tied to a tree and left to die above a pool of your own shit and piss

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2010/02/100224132655.htm

>Liberals and Atheists Smarter? Intelligent People Have Values Novel in Human Evolutionary History, Study Finds

inb4 shitstorm

>women are oppressed
>racism is not natural
>everyone is equal

this is not debatable, not because evidence suggests it, but because that's the way it is, it's the popular belief
every study contradicting these beliefs is racism or sexist, and the scientist is biased

>>3055778
0/10

you're trying to hard and you buttrage is showing.

How could racism be natural? If the early humans had no concept of race since they were all homogenous?

>>3055809
racism is a response to the need to belong. Usually people with low self-esteem who want to belong are religious and racist.
Its natural in a sense that humans want to be part of a group, but its really just a byproduct.

>>3055809
early humans had no means off traveling far: no race.

Kids, no matter what generation, have no idea what "liberal" or "conservative" means
They nod their heads to platitudes and dreamy ideas, thinking the balance of the world can be tilted so easily and for the better. But as it so often happens, people grow up to see that every action has consequence, often unintended and with negative impact. This is why it seems like the eager "liberals" of yesterday turn out to be obstructing "conservatives" of today. But it doesn't mean older people suddenly want to push back society's advance -- they've just learned to appreciate the small sure steps of evolution over the wild pendulum swings that revolution so often brings. Caution and patience are the pillars of wisdom forged by experience from the brash mistakes of youth.

>>3055382

The hippies were widely publicized because social conventions were still very uptight back then. Culture was turbulent, but really there weren't any more hippies back then than there are say, hipsters now.

Also cultural momentum is a bitch. You think just because a 6-8% youth social disturbance didn't immediently change the country, all liberal causes are doomed to failure, but in reality, a social shift of the magnitude we want takes 4-5 generations. People all over don't just go "Hurp, I guess I was wrong, now I'll teach my children everything contrary to how I was raised". You have to let idea permeate, to spread.

The liberal youth are already a majority, which is orders magnitude more than in the 70s. Give it another 30-40 years and the traditional culture of the 60s will seem completely alien.

>>3055893
>Kids, no matter what generation, have no idea what "liberal" or "conservative" means

>Goes on to show he has no idea what "Liberal" or "conservative" mean.

How ironic.

>>3055893
Just as a reminder, that "pendulum" swung over to creationists, not too long ago.

Liberals always win. Just not right away. You have to wait for the conservatives to die and eventually the liberal ideas of today will be the conservative ideas of tomorrow.

>>3055832
>>3055809

Race didn't exist back then, but the causative function of racism isn't literally an aversion to skin color, but tribalism.

Back in the day, humans lived in tribal groups of 50-150. Other tribes were virtually always enemies, and deadly ones at that. The ability to mentally break up other people into their tribes, and have an automatic aversion/hatred of them was a helpful survival trait. "You're different from me? You must not be from my tribe. You are the enemy."

It caused racism, and it causes most other social compartmentalization as well. It's the reason we group people together as hipsters and hate them. it's the reason we group people together as jocks and hate them, or nerds, or fags, or liberals, or conservatives, or any other in reality meaningless social identification that we strongly defend because we MUST be able to identify and defend against the enemy tribes, lest we feel vulnerable.

>>3055893

THIS.

Ever wonder why the average age of conservatives is higher than that of liberals? It's because they have more life experience and understand how the world works. Liberals cling to idealistic bullshit that may work in a perfect world but definitely not in this one.

>>3055893
That's an interesting perspective: "liberal" as something which defines a set of ideals, and "conservative" as something that defines a set of actions.

I like that, as I have always considered "progressive", as opposed to "liberal", to be the alternative to "conservative" for much the same reason. I've always considered progressive actions to be forward looking, as in a means to some sort of desired end, while a conservative action is backwards looking, as in they look to the past as a guide for a route to take in the present. These are two different ways to guide your behaviour, and neither can be viewed as "right" or "wrong", rather different....

>>3055953
>Doesn't know what quotes signify

Liberals tend to lose, eventually, because the virtues that make you liberal make you a less aggressive competitor. We need agressive, angry revolutionary liberals, not sensitived ones.

>>3055893
In my experience liberals rarely turn conservative when older, nor do conservatives turn liberal.

>>3056052
The aggressive ones are the dumb ones that everyone shuns
ex; the kkk, anarchists, the taliban, the Irish liberation army, etc...

>>3056069
Have you noticed how 90% of the people have left tea party rallies?
Its because 90% of the tea party supporters were old people who were conservative until they heard about cuts to their medicare and social security

>this thread

I smell a Fox news special.

>People in denial that things such melanin-levels does not make one smarter or more successful.
When people cannot match their ego with real achievements, they turn to racism.

And when people cannot accept the future, they turn to the past.

>>3056116
Is that a quote from somewhere or did you make that up. That is really insightful.

>>3055382
Is this babby's first troll or something?
Did you even read the name of this board?

>>3056116
Just a simple observation and nothing more.

>>3056138
Just a simple observation.

>>3056116
So, statistics lie, or is it the past you're dreaming of?

All the hippies did was smoke weed and go to concerts. All we need to fuck up the system is some real fucking ambition.

>>3056189
do I hear a proposal to make our own army?

>>3056181

Statistics don't lie. However 10 different people will extrapolate 10 different conclusions from the stats. Almost always to suit their own biases. That's why we use peer review, and put weight on things like scientific consensus.

And the consensus has been reached. Stop clinging to your own biases.

>>3055382

Liberal means one who supports freedom. The fact that those that hate freedom have taken the word as their own does not change the actual meaning. Actual liberals would never support ANY current democrat policy.

>>3056181

Statistics don't lie. However 10 different people will extrapolate 10 different conclusions from the stats. Almost always to suit their own biases. That's why we use peer review, and put weight on things like scientific consensus.

And the consensus has been reached. Stop clinging to your own biases.
(incidentally, if the statistics you're referring to is the one with the IQ tables and contrasted against different familial settings, that is in fact a lie. One the community thoroughly debunked.

>>3056233
no liberal means that you support equal opportunities for everyone
You should have the opportunity to better yourself even if your parents were from a low income family

>>3056181
Those "statistics" you mention, fail to recognize the single greatest factor when it comes to intelligence, poverty.

Poverty breeds ignorance, and ignorance breeds crime. Hundreds of years of oppression will not go away through the act of emancipation, they will still retain the scars of hatred, discrimination and centuries of oppression.

But as you had the privilege of never having to face xenophobia, discrimination and lack of access to a proper education, you will reject that which you do not know.

>>3056257
Liberal literally means free. In the future, I suggest you get your education from people who don't work for a cable news network.

>>3056257

Liberal has never ever ever meant that in any sense of the word. Positive rights are not a liberal idea, liberals believe in negative rights only.

You have the "right" to attempt to better yourself without taking from another to "equalize" your "lower" class.

>>3056270
shitstorm incoming.

>>3055592
Holy fuck dude. I read that and I was envisioning that shit happening to me and I sprung over the counter to break her fuckin' jaw.

>>3056010
No, it's because as people age they become more set in their beliefs and more afraid of change.

This is also why life extension and immortality are bad ideas.

>>3056224
Bullshit.

Besides, I'm talking about crime statistics.

>Stop clinging to your own biases.

Ironic.

>>3056283
That's extremely close-minded. That mentality is so obviously socially constructed that it's both an insult to old people and pig disgusting.

>>3056276
yeah and republican means they are pro republic and yet they want to shrink the government
I guess you're a LITERAL
douschebag
>>3056278
You have to take from the rich in order to equalize your class. Otherwise the country will just devolve into a monarchy, where the rich are so far ahead of the poor class that the poor class doesn't stand a chance

ITT: people who conflate "liberal" with "hippy" when actually a liberal is a person who is generally in favour of progress/reform and holds libertarian views and has absolutely nothing to do with being a bleeding-heart pussy

>>3055605
>"people are born gay"
>undisputable evidence to the contrary
I'd like to see your "undisputable" (PROTIP: its "indisputable") evidence. And not on some ridiculously biased website like Faux news.

ITT: conservatrolls

>>3056297
Deal with it, gramps

>>3056301

Not in reality. "Lower" classes often jump "up" a class, while those in the "higher" class can go "down."

There is not a set amount of poverty.

While the hippies were busy out protesting against the government, we are becoming the government.

>>3055592

why would you date an indian girl?

>>3056322
Meanwhile, the US has less social mobility than France, Germany and other Northern European socialist hellholes.

>>3056373
lolno

>>3056270
I was talking about crime statistics.

>>3056415
And do these people live a life of comfort and safety? are they the sons and daughters of privilege?

Or do they live a life where they are born into an world where they have no access to proper education, no access to jobs and find that the only recourse is to turn to crime?

When man is faced with the hardship of having to provide for his family, he will do whatever is necessary.

>>3056457
Actually, people with equal economic and social standing.

Blacks commit more crime.

Now what? BTW, I get what you're saying, and it was said in the 70's, the 80's, etcetera until today, and guess what? You're living in a fictional past.

Reality calls you a liar, and I would be a fool to listen to you.

>Liberals always lose

Well, let's see how that's gone in US history:
>Royalists defeated
>Slavery abolished
>Interracial marriage widely accepted
>Women's Suffrage enacted
>Homosexuality no longer illegal
>Abortion legal in most states
>Vast social welfare programs in place on national and state levels

Yup. Always.

Liberalism evolves as time goes on, numb nuts.

>>3056541

> not knowing liberals support freedom in the form of negative rights

You must be a socialist, and poor.

>>3056554
You're half-right, but that has literally nothing to do with my post. You're obviously a troll.

ITT: people stuck on the two dimensional, american political spectrum

>>3056585

Trolls often use words they emotionally like to define themselves with definitions that are not real. You, for example, seem to think actual liberals support state marriage and state funded "social welfare" programs This is of course not true at all.

In reality, nothing has hurt the poor more than things like welfare, minimum wage laws, and the Fed.

>The hard truth: Liberals always lose.
...and that is a bad thing how?

>>3056215

>own army

Fuck
yesssssss

First US/Japan, then the world.

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>>3056524
>[citation needed]
So the rich kids at the nice gated-community have the same economic and social standing as kids in Harlem?

To quote Elbert Hubbard: "The recipe for perpetual ignorance is: Be satisfied with your opinions and content with your knowledge.".

You would be a fool to think that CENTURIES of oppression and the culture of privilege based upon superficial qualities does not leave a mark. Generations of people were subjected to inhumane standards of living, education and civil liberties.

So let me put this into perspective: East-germans are under-represented in government and business, due to the scar left by the Communists. Now, imagine that sort of treatment, but instead of 40 years, it stretches out for centuries.

Time heals all wounds, but not the ignorance of man.

>>3056635
Every single one of those things is objectively true and necessary for a proper society. Troll harder.

>>3056664
I don't know about Barbra Streisand, though.

>>3056664

> implying proper society was invented in the 90's.

>>3056664
>diversity training
>gun control
>gay marriage
>abortion on demand
>illegal aliens
>multiculturalism
YES SO NECESSARY HOW HAVE WE LIVED WITHOUT ALL THAT FOR CENTURIES
Die in a fire liberal faggot

>>3056415
>>3056293

While I can't say anything specific without knowing which particular statistic your talking about, I'd still hazard a guess you're contorting to extrapolate the most racist conclusion you can, based on the data.

>Blacks commit more crime.

Thus

>Blacks are gentically predisposed toward crime

Is a Micky Mouse way of interpreting data. "Crime" is not an irreducible term, and and social factors correlate much more with social problems than genetics have ever been shown to.

>>3056661
>So the rich kids at the nice gated-community

No, kids from equal backgrounds.

Black kids who are rich and live in gated communities are still more likely to commit crime.

>>3056700
>>3056700

> Picks "nice" spots from 1950s
> Picks "bad" spots from today
> Tops it off with implying that whites have a higher "value" than african americans.

You, good sir, deserve an unlubricated cactus directly to the anus.

>>3056702
That's pretty funny.

I didn't say "Blacks are gentically predisposed toward crime", you did. Anyway, it's not like they have a choice in the matter.

>>3056700
Yeah, those liberal hippies and their changing ways.

My polio was good enough for my grandparents, it's good enough for me.

>>3056702

Logic is thrown out the window with these topics. There are only two statistics that matter in this boring debate. The first one is that blacks commit more crimes per capita than their white counterparts in EVERY SINGLE socioeconomic background in the United States. The second is that blacks commit more crimes per capita than every other race in EVERY country in the world.

>>3056745
Those nice spots from the 50's became the bad spots of today.

>>3056618

>Trolls often use words they emotionally like to define themselves with definitions that are not real. You, for example, seem to think actual liberals support state marriage and state funded "social welfare" programs This is of course not true at all.

It is true that common semantics are important for a debate. It is also true that language fucking changes. If he was inventing his own definition of "Liberal" you'd be right, but the modern understanding of the word "liberal" is as he says (Social liberal), the classical liberal that you keep referring to is archaic and has been dead for over half a century. It literally has no bearing in any debate or modern usage of the word. The word you should be looking for is some facet, "Libertarian", as that is the modern incarnation of classical liberalism. But don't go bitching at people for not using late 19th century definitions of words that are still in common parlance.

Also,

>In reality, nothing has hurt the poor more than things like welfare, minimum wage laws, and the Fed.

Citation needed.

>>3056700
> HOW HAVE WE LIVED WITHOUT ALL THAT FOR CENTURIES

In a big world where it takes metric shittons of money to travel anywhere at all, anything related to multiculturalism is not as pressing as in a globalised world like the one we live in today, how can you not see that?

Also, yeah, shame on those gays for loving someone, better execute them right on the spot, huh? (pic related)

>>3056771

> says language changes
> uses the term liberal from today to apply for the last few centuries
> does not see the failure in this argument

>>3056700
Yes, they are literally, empirically necessary. The entire reason we're stuck in a fucking recession right now is due to conservative idiocy and refusal to govern the free market when it needs to be regulated. Conservativism is a blight, and you, personally, deserve to die. You are a worthless human being, your children will be worthless, and every breath you take is a breath stolen from a more deserving, progressive human being. Your desire to return humanity to its greasy, demented past is the very reason we, as a nation, are irrecoverably fucked. Your insatiable appetite for Ronald Reagans withered, necrotic cock prove you and your ilk are hopelessly fucking deluded. He and his policies have ruined the entire country, and are the root of nearly every major financial, environmental and societal problem we face todday. I sincerely, SINCERELY hope that one day there is a revolution, so that I can personally put a bullet between your eyes and feed your corpse to pigs. Feeding other animals is the only useful thing you will ever do.

>>3056786

> free market

>>3056751
Hear hear!

We should bring back smallpox and the good ole getting-eaten-by-predators-while-sleeping-on-a-rockledge.

>>3056786
>a more deserving, progressive human

>implying progressives are human

Somebody is thumping THEIR bible, and ignoring reality.

>>3056700
>>3056786

/facepalm at both of you

>>3056805
>childish trolling turned up to eleven
You don't say, little Johnny. Run along now.

>>3056805
Lying to yourself will earn you nothing. You are a regressive, and regressives do not deserve to live. Period.

>>3056747

Well what the fuck ARE you saying? If you're saying it's cultural momentum, you're agreeing with me in the first place, but I highly doubt that. You've essentially said "Blacks inherently commit more crime" in every one of your posts. I don't care if you've posted that exact phrase or, we're not testifying before congress, it's just that's clearly what you're implying.


>>3056753

>There are only two statistics that matter in this boring debate.

Go fuck a rusty crowbar.
Also, time for both of you to post this wildly incisive statistic you keep referring to.

Funny how bigotry and violence crop up in progressive places.

Another decade goes by, and people are still the same.

>>3056831

Why would I post proof to a rebuttal addressed to you? Here is how it really works:

Person A: so and so claim
Person B: so and so rebuttal
Person A: here is the proof to my claim

Your way:

Person A: so and so claim
Person B: so and so rebuttal
Person A: PROVE IT, ASSHOLE

>>3056821
Hey, a bigot was angry at another persons bigotry.

It deserved no respect.

>Errybody, errybody mad.

Why does politics always make people so angry?

>>3056844
Intolerance of intolerance isn't intolerance, it's progress.

Also, [citation needed].

>>3056880
Fuck you, nagger.

>>3056858
>softer trolling
Now you're starting to get a hang of it.

>>3056862
Some people find certain things abhorrent, and other people find them true, desirable, and necessary.

>>3056785

> uses the term liberal from today to apply for the last few centuries
Where do I do fucking that? I'll wait.

> does not see the failure in this argument
No I don't, care to enlighten me? Oh wait, sitting there saying "you're wrong" is different from making an actual argument. One can be done by any lazy, intellectually dishonest piece of shit in the world. The other requires 2 brain cells to rub together and a leg to stand on.

>>3056880
And intolerance of intolerance of intolerance is even greater progress.

>>3056880
can't tell if troll of just very liberal

Everyone has so many ideas, and everyone thinks they are infallible. This is not a discussion, this is a fuck fest.

A discussion requires a possibility that you will change your mind on the topic given there is evidence supporting the change.

>>3056984
Can I use some of your lube?

>>3056855
>>3056855

Why would you post proof?

Because you're the one making claims about the blacks, you're citing statistics, and you're the one not posting them. There is literally no content in your post to discuss other than this mysterious statistic you keep trumpeting.


but okay.
>Person A: so and so claim
Person A would have included his proof with the initial claim. This is already inaccurate

>Person B: so and so rebuttal

>Person A: here is the proof to my claim
No, this would be a response to Person B's rebuttal.

Your way:

>Person A: so and so claim
First of all, you interjected in my debate with another anon. YOU made the initial claim "There are only two statistics that matter in this boring debate. The first one is that blacks [...] every other race in EVERY country in the world." You gave NO proof of this.

>Person B: so and so rebuttal
I rebutted you, but even if we go with the idea that I'm person A, you "rebuttal" is nonsense. you don't address anything I said, you just post a fact you pulled out of your asshole and said "This is all that matters"

>Person A: PROVE IT, ASSHOLE
If your entire "Argument" is based on the total and unerring truth of some statistic you made up, I have every right to ask you to post it. Otherwise there's nothign to talk about.

>>3057016


>>3056984 here, i lol'd.

>>3056984
>This is not a discussion, this is a fuck fest.
Well, this IS politics we're talking about ITT.
What did you expect?

>>3057031
http://www.google.com/search?num=100&hl=en&safe=off&biw=1899&bih=846&q=%22crime+
statistics%22&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=

>>3056412
http://www.economicmobility.org/assets/pdfs/EMP%20American%20Dream%20Report.pdf

>>3057075

Hate to break it to you, but nothing on the entire first page of google supports your argument, and I'm not going to do your work for you. You've basically admitted you haven't looked at any actual statistics.
http://www.unodc.org/documents/southeasterneurope/Doc_1_UNODC_HEUNI_International_Statistics_on_Crim
e_and_Justice_2010.pdf

the republicans today are obsessed with objectivism and reversing the last century.

>>3055382
The Hard Truth:
you, like your predecessors, are trapped in the partisan illusion that is presented to you. When you realize that the equations and assembly lines by which the world is run have no use for your pretty ideals you will wilt, just like the flower children before you.