/sci/ - Science & Math

>professionals

They are made by aliens.

They are made by pranksters.

>inb4 pranksters (Professionals can distinguish between the ones pranksters made and the naturally occuring ones.)
these are not the droids you're looking for.
>>>/x/

Wow, for a second I thought I was on /x/. Perhaps this should be moved to a more serious scientific community for discussion.

>>3055219
>inb4 pranksters
looks to me like you've already decided what they must be, since the most commonly accepted explanation you have decided to ignore. go back to /x/.

>>3055235
Its saturday.

every board on 4chan gets exponentially worse any day there is no school.

>>3055240
Some of these circles are composed of such accuracy, to a single strain of wheat or rye marking the exact 90degree angle to even millimeters. How could any prankster do this over night?

You know, something like this could be used for non-localizeable communication method for covert, illegal organizations.

You could have a series of pre-determined spectacular fake events, each type having a different meaning. Then, when the media distributes the story, your agents will get the signal without need to keep in any kind of touch.

Now, crop circles are such an old story that they couldn't be used for that purpose anymore, but something similar could.

>>3055269
By using a rope, it's actually quite easy to make a perfect circle in crop.

>Professionals
I wanna be a professional too

they come from: crops
they are made by: humans

They are made by alien pranksters.

>>3055276
Interesting
I was thinking along the lines of communication.

Perhaps if they were in fact created by aliens, who are trying to contact us, then the most logical translation must be that these circles hold some sort of mathematical relation.

Mathematics is a universal language, something that every intellectual species must speak. Perhaps they are so advanced in math that we do not yet know what 'theorem' if you will, is proposed in the crop circle(s)
Just my two cents

>>3055219
They're made by pranksters, and the "professionals" (notice non-cited claim, no names listed, etc) who can distinguish between "natural" and prank ones are simply noticing the difference between amateur and skilled circle-makers.
Also, even if they are completely unexplained by current theories, that does not mean aliens or UFOs did them.

>>3055297
I doubt there's much significance to be found. The early circles were analyzed at depth, before the hoaxers were discovered. Nothing was found. And the few smart people still at it haven't reported any findings from the more recent ones.

>>3055269
Look around you. People do seemingly impossible things every single day. Have you ever watched a master painter do his work? Have you watched a master composer direct his orchestra? Have you watched "get quaked", the frag video? None of those things seem humanly possible to the amateur.. But to someone who's had a lot of practice, it's just another day in the life of the talented.

>>3055312
I'm sure what OP meant by 'professionals' was any professional member of the scientific community with an acceptable reputation to declare such statements.

Also, there are many widely accepted theories by some, widely unaccepted scientific individuals if you will, such as: Spiritual, Hyperdimensional, Natural occuring energy patterns, what have you.

>>3055297
If aliens are trying to contact us by secretly drawing on our farms instead of just going up to one of us, they're probably aspies.

>>3055297
>cites "aliens did it" with no proof, softening the blow with a "maybe"
>makes unfalsifiable claim "lol we are not yet advanced enough to understand"
>expects to be taken seriously

>>3055342
>implying we're smarter than an alien civilization capable of traveling lightyears across the universe.

You don't think that super advanced civilization would have a stronger "Fundamental" basis of math?


Our basics, say, the pythagorean theorem, are widely accepted in Our community. However if we tried to communicate with Ants (a species of a much lower intellectual capability) drawing 30-60-90 triangles and a^2+b^2=c^2, they would have no clue what that would mean. Most likely they would not even take that as a form of communication, they would not know we are trying to get their attention.

This one seems extremely difficult for humans to have made given the timeframe and intricacy.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xc8r2e_crop-circles-message-for-human-race_tech

>>3055427
Are there any credible sources cited for this video?
If so, that is amazing. Almost revolutionary.

Crop circles are made by God to warn us that the Rapture is coming.

>>3055515
This. Repent your sins you dirty atheists.

This thread is worthy of a bump imo.
Bump

Occam's razor kills all conspiracy theories. Observe: If an alien civilisation wanted to contact us, why would they encode a message in some farm crops somewhere? Why not send a messenger robot to a university or something? Thus we can conclude with high probability that all crop circles are fakes.

What everyone in this thread is ignoring is that there is physical evidence when crops are made by aliens. The stalks are microwaved instead of flattened by wood. If you used a geiger counter on the area the difference is clear. You can mimic a pattern but not the method.

>>3055641
>microwaves
>geiger counter
oh lawd, is dat sum swallow's nest soup

>>3055604
>why would they encode a message in some farm crops somewhere? Why not send a messenger robot to a university or something?
Because aliens are trolls.

http://www.bltresearch.com/plantab.php

Here are several (currently) unexplainable anomalies

the fact that theyre getting more and more elaborate suggests that its pranksters trying to outdo each other.

if you're trying to communicate with someone and the message isnt getting through, you dumb it down, not make it more elaborate

>Professionals can distinguish between the ones pranksters made and the naturally occuring ones.
No. They can distinguish between two sets of crop circles. It still remains to be proven that one of the sets are anything other than man-made.

HMMMMM, DO U THINK THEY DID THE NAZCA LINES TOO?!

>>3055802
That depends. Have you never had someone make a statement that you had to follow with a prompt of "Go on..." or somesuch?

>>3055806
Except for the fact that no-one in the world is able to explain the anomalies found at many crop circles.
There are thousands of people claiming to make them but none of them provide proof

It blows my mind that people take these seriously.

>naturally occuring ones

Wait, WHAT?

It blows my mind that people don't look at the evidence before forming an opinion

>>3055782
thats the only pictures of anomalies ever used, in every document, in every tv show. has it ever been found again? because at the moment it looks like there has been 1 unexplained crop circle.

As mentioned earlier by someone who posted a pink:

There is evidence that some of the things happening inside crop circles cannot be man-made.
Holes in the plant stems caused from water turning into vapor through microwave radiation.


Did these pranksters duct tape microwaves to their feet and walk around in complex geometric sequences? I doubt it.

>>3055897
>More than 250 individual crop formations from multiple countries, over a 10-year period were examined in-depth

Try reading

>>3055869
Some people claim wind, rain, tornadoes or some sort of combination of them can form crop circles naturally. Also, some people claim it's mother Earth is talking to us.

I shit you not.

And you thought aliens were bad.

>>3055903
>Holes in the plant stems caused from water turning into vapor through microwave radiation.

hehehehe

>>3055897
http://www.bltresearch.com/otherfacts.php

In the more "geometric" crop formations the apical (first node beneath the seed-head) node-length increase tends to be no greater than about +95% to +115% as compared to the controls. But in many of the non-geometrically downed crop areas examined node-length increases of +200% or more, relative to the controls, have been measured. More expulsion cavities (holes blown out at the plant stem nodes) are also usually found, and occur more often in multiple nodes down the plant stem, and germination abnormalities are also frequently more pronounced. The evidence seems to indicate a more intense discharge of both the deleterious heating (microwave?) energy and the flattening force discharged in these chaotically-downed crop areas.

>>3055913
Skeptics also claimed they were caused by hedgehogs running in circles

>>3055913
Mother Earth finds your lack of faith disturbing.

>>3055934
I know because a pattern denoting such just appeared in my garden.

>>3055929
See
>>3055782

4.


Expulsion cavities (holes blown out at one or several of the plant stem nodes) are most often found in the 2nd node beneath the seed- head. However, in recent years they are being seen also in the 3rd and 4th nodes down the plant stem, as well as occasionally occurring in the top (apical) node. These holes are thought to be one of the plant abnormalities caused by exposure to microwave radiation which -- particularly in circles which occur in young, green crop -- instantly turns the plant's internal moisture to steam. If the microwaves are intense enough -- and the amount of moisture at the stem node great enough -- the rapidly expanding steam in these lower nodes can only escape by blowing holes out through the tough external fibers in these lower nodes. [In the apical, or top, nodes -- the youngest part of the plant -- the external fibers are considerably more elastic and the steam created there by exposure to microwaves seeps out more easily, stretching the nodes at the tops of the plants as it does so.]

>>3055938
>Skeptics also claimed they were caused by hedgehogs running in circles

makes more sense than aliens, we at least know that hedgehogs exist on this planet.

>>3055910
thats still just 1 study

>>3055269
If the person measuring it can measure that accurately, why can't the person making it?

>>3055951
Experiment one, an experiment was carried out to find the effects of microwave radiation on plants.

Try it, put some plants in a microwave and you'll notice this theory is garbage.

>>3055245
>exponentially

uhuh

>>3055959
How long do you think it would take to create an enormous sophisticated pattern as seen in the crop circles by clumsily stomping on the ground with a board on your feet?

Now how long do you think it would take if you had to do the same feat, but with such accuracy that you have to pull each strain grain by grain.

>>3055938
>Skeptics also claimed they were caused by hedgehogs running in circles
I love imagining that event.

>>3055969
i once tried that, right after i saw it on is it real I wanted to explode some shit in the microwave, unfortunately it never exploded. it just boils all the water of in a very uninspiring way and gets cooked

>>3055969
There are many different variables in this experiment than the real thing.

>>3055980
It's weird the way people will put in "exponentially" in places where there are no exponents, assuming that exponential growth must necessarily be "big". Not really. If the exponent is 0, there is no growth, and if the exponent is a proper fraction (<span class="math">^{\frac {1} {2}}[/spoiler] not <span class="math">^{\frac {3} {2}}[/spoiler] then there is negative growth.

>>3055959
It takes time and very loud equipment

>>3055969
Experiment one, an experiment was carried out to find the effects of microwave radiation on plants.

Try it, put some plants in a microwave and you'll notice this theory is accurate

>>3055998
Conclusion of the experiment, microwaves do not cause holes in plants.

Looks like a lot of alien theory has gone out the window.

>>3056011

as >>3055998 said, it's not accurate. It's nonsense.

>>3055955
They are just calling out for more probable things. That's one of them.

>>3056025
You have proof it does nothing? I have proof it does http://www.cropcirclesecrets.org/discovery2.html
look for more sources if you want but the fact is that no-one with a basic knowledge denies microwaves cause plant cavities like the ones found in crop circles

>>3056058
Result of that experiment
one broken microwave projector and one broken camera. No holes were made.

>>3056058

"No says BLT Research Coordinator"

"BLT Research: Crop Circle Science"

Yup. They are fair and impartial.

In before "They are Scientists so they must be impartial!" Creationists call what they do "Creation Science" too.

>>3056106
So you have a reputable and impartial source that says microwaves do not cause plant cavities such as the ones found in crop circles? I'm sure that such a finding would easily pass peer review

>Professionals can distinguish between the ones pranksters made and the naturally occuring ones

>PhD in crop circles
>any alien life form I want
>300 light-years starting

>>3056122
So you have a reputable and impartial source that says the Vikings did not not develop nuclear power in 128 BCE?

No? Ha Ha. just proved Vikings developed nuclear power.

>>Lrn2BurdenOfProof

>>3056122

As >>3056150 said, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

>>3056150
Yes I do, the complete lack of any finding that suggests they did have nuclear power.

So why did the discovery team make plant cavities with a portable microwave generator if microwaves don't cause plant cavities?
You are claiming microwaves do not cause plant cavities when all sources say that they do, you have provided no proof to back up your belief.
>>Lrn2BurdenOfProof

>>3056217
They didn't. They just broke some equipment.

They are made by professional prankster aliens.

>>3056131
this makes absolutely no sense but I laughed

>>3056519
naw, just your typical immature aliens on spring break

>>3055219
Is it just me, or is anyone else impressed by the dedication that it would take to make something like the one in the OP's image? How many people do you think it would take, probably working through the night, to make it?

Everyone knows aliens are made by pranksters cropcircles.

>>3056824
It's not exactly that hard or time-consuming if you plan it beforehand.

Something like that can be done alone, with string and a stick in two days. It gets easier and faster with more people. Say, three hours from a group of eight people experienced at it.

>>3056824
I bet 3-4 people with lots of experience and planning could do one in 10 hours in the dark.

>>3056878
Not doubting you, but seriously, what kind of horrible anti-social fuck has 10 hours to pull this kind of shit?

>>3056896
MUFON probably spent way more than 10 hours investigating this lol

>>3056896
Crop-circle enthusiasts.
Me and a couple of friends made some a few years back. Two in daylight for practise and, I don't remember, maybe four or five during nights.

Only the last of the night-time circles came out nice, the rest came out all skewed and wonky :(

>naturally occuring ones.

>>3056896
They're all near universities. It's probably part of some college club ritual. Probably in an engineering school, as it's obviously quite the engineering endeavor.

It would be so awesome if aliens were really trying to contact us. I'd love to live in the time were the first contact with alien life would be established.

>>3057054
I would too, but wishful thinking only goes so far.

>>3055219

>naturally occuring ones

>Who made them?
>professionals
>naturally occuring ones

What the fuck's wrong with you son?

Here you go, faggot.

http://www.circlemakers.org/

i lol'd so hard.

>>3056824
I've read cropcircle makers say that most people wrongly assume that they're made overnight. In the countryside in England, very often fields can remain unvisited by their owners for a few days at a time. A few days in broad daylight, you can get anything done.