/sci/ - Science & Math

If suddenly all the people with schizophrenia were to be cured and all people who didn't have it, suddenly suffered from it, the latter group would be normal.

The difference between an insane man and an eccentric man is that the eccentric man can hold a job and support himself without assistance from government or family.

>>3033726
if they post on /sci,/ they probably have an illness.

>>3033736
this

Mentally ill = unhealthy behavior
Unhealthy = interferes with functionality in life, destructive, disruptive, and dangerous behavior with bad consequences

Can you be a functioning person and mentally ill? Yes. Some drug addicts and alcoholics are functioning but still sick.

>>3033734
You are completely correct.

"normal" is kind of a statistical term isn't it?

>>3033750

unless he wants to know if the person is perpendicular to a plane

>>3033754
I'm normal, but only when I'm standing up.

>not act EXACTLY how people want me to
>'omg ur such a freak'
>This has happened because I was humming, walking in circles while waiting for something, and more


I hate people sometimes....

>>3033772
>insecure about how others perceive him

For the APA, a anormal person has to have either one of the following (except for the number one, which has to be with another one)

1- Behaviour/thought is statistically uncommon
2- Behaviour /thought is harmful for self or other to the person and/or prevent someone from functionning in society
3- Behaviour/thought goes against social values
4- Behaviour/thought happens quite often

For instance, someone shitting in the middle of the street is abnormal for reason 1 and 3, but not necessarely 2 nor 4 (everyone shits)

Spending millions for a airplane isn't considered abnormal for a billonaire since only number one is touched, although a normal person with bipolar disorder will also break number 1 and 2 for herself

>>3033842
frankly 1 and 3 are the most clear cut ways to define abnormatlity, that is breaking social NORMS, or simply being outside of the common.

Anyway normal is not an endorsement or condemnation, it simply is normal, people need to not fucking make such appeals to it.

As for mental illness, they're always defined behaviorally because we cannot gain some magic insight into a persons mind, only what they say, and crazy people aren't to be trusted.

So we define mental illness based on how people behave, and the judgement we make are complicated and not based on some strict set of criteria, but a social concept of what is or is not readily understandable. So don't worry about that, its just one of those little non-rational categories that humans build up from pattern recognition.

by plotting behaviors to a bell curve.

by comparing them to the aforementioned bell curve.

>>3033781
>projecting insecurities on other people's evaluations

>>3033760
Well played, sir.

>>3033726
1- Open the brain
2- check if it's all messed up and covered in mold
3-give medicines if so

come on it's commune knowledge guys

A person who's afraid to go outside because it's a rough neighbourhood is normal.
A person who's afraid to go outside his house and hasn't left for over 5 years and hasn't had a job or social life because he believes the aliens are going to get him isn't normal.

Alcoholism. The point at which your consumption of alcohol starts to piss off your friends and family.

Michelle Foucault had something to say about this. Madness.

>>3033842


pretty much this

the whole "derp nobody's abnormal" bullshit is bullshit

>>3033842
So, according to this definition, someone who does extreme sports is mentally ill because criteria are met in 1, 2 and 4? It's often harmful to self to go in for extreme sports.

>>3033842
Or if someone is dissident in China or North Korea, then all four of the criteria are met. Besides it's harmful to self it's, at least in NK, very often harmful to your family to disagree with public opinion.

>How do you determine if someone has a mental illness or not?
They think illogically.

>>3036869
If this sentence is true, we all think illogically.
X = (X->Y)

1. X -> X by assumption
2. X -> (X -> Y) by substituition
3. X -> Y by contraction
4. X by substitution
5. Y by modus ponens
QED

>>3036889
What? That's retarded.

>>3034757
>derp nobody's abnormal
Of course not, but only in relation to other people. If you brought some guy from 15th century to modern world, he would be considered abnormal and crazy and same vice versa.

>>3036889
The problem's in line 2. You're trying to prove x is equivalent to x->y, but in line 2, you assume it is and proceed to substitute one statement for the other. You can't assume the statement you're trying to prove in the proof, dumbass.

>>3037073
>doesn't know how premises work.

It's only proving Y from X = (X->Y)

A very clear line needs to be drawn between chemical imbalance, damage to the brain and personality disorders. modern psychiatry and the industries that support it appear to have smudged that line out of existence. examples being 'porn and videogame addiction'
addiction used as opposed to dependency due to some very dodgy science relating to dopamine reward and how its is addictive. if thats the case then so are golf, food, art, etc etc anything used to trigger a release. having fun is addictive you need to be cured.
i have a personality disorder and I disagree with every word you say is a little different to needing to eat candles because a voice in your head tells you to.
Its really easy and very profitable to treat people who dont actually have a problem.

>>3037073
Nice try, but if you could resolve that paradox so simply, you'd probably be given lots of money.

>>3036828
>>3036857
Someone who does extreme sport isn't statistically uncommon since number 2 isn't touched (if your sport is to break bottle of glasses in your mouth, then yes) and number four is merely acceptable unless he does it a a rate which would be unhealthy (someone who trains everyday four of five times a day would for instance)

For the Korean, well it is ambiguous. The set of values might be another one more important to him; his behaviour isn't harmful per se and he chooses to stop functionning in the society, he's not forced; unless he always quite the society he's in, this doesn't happen a lot.

But you should remember that these critera are summed up from what I recall was the APA's standards and that only a professional's evaluation can determine legally if someone should be "mentally ill". Disorders are often a question of subjectivity and socially influenced and the APA doesn't hold any more truth than the WHO