/sci/ - Science & Math

Fake, they refuse to show the inside of the apparent "reactor", even though they've filed some generic, vague bullshit patent for it. All of the tests that have been done show only hypothetical energy output, and they never put the apparatus under any sort of load. (as in, energy consumption) All of the physicists that have commented on it either said they can't really make a statement because they cannot examine the device, or say "HURR DURR IT'S A NUCLEAR REACSHION OVERUNITY!!!!!!1", in which case they have absolutely no credibility and were obviously paid by the 'inventor' of said device.

>>3020162
You failed the hurrdurr test.

In March 29, 2011 two Swedish physicists, Hanno Essén, associate professor of theoretical physics and a lecturer at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society and Sven Kullander, Professor Emeritus at Uppsala University and also chairman of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences’ Energy Committee, participated as observers in a test of a smaller version of the Energy Catalyzer.[15] The test ran for six hours and the calculated energy produced was about 25 kWh. [16] In their report [17] they write "Any chemical process should be ruled out for producing 25 kWh from whatever is in a 50 cubic centimeter container. The only alternative explanation is that there is some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production." According to Mats Lewan of the Swedish technology magazine Ny Teknik[16], they were given a sample of the nickel powder used in the unit as well as some Rossi says have been used for 2.5 months; analysis showed the unused powder was pure nickel while the used powder contained 10 percent copper and 11 percent iron, although iron production is not mentioned anywhere in the patent[18]. They prefaced their discussion in the report with a disclaimer: "Since we do not have access to the internal design of the central fuel container and no information on the external lead shielding and the cooling water system we can only make very general comments."

Looking interesting! We will see after this;

Rossi has announced an agreement with the newly formed Greek company Defkalion Green Technologies as his first client.[28][29] According to Rossi, the agreement calls for delivery of a one megawatt heating plant, consisting of 300 reactors of 4 kW [16] connected in series and parallel. The plant which would supply heating for Defkalion's own purposes only, is supposed to be inaugurated in October 2011. [30]
Rossi says he will not be paid by Defkalion until the installation is delivered and works.[31] The company’s spokesman Symeon Tsalikoglou has confirmed the agreement.[32][33]
Defkalion has also been featured on national Greek television [34][35] and in the national business newspaper Ependitis. [36] According to Defkalion and Rossi the agreement gives exclusive rights for Defkalion to manufacture and sell the energy catalyzer throughout Greece.[32]

>>3020171
>calculated energy produced was about 25 kWh.
>calculated energy produced was about 25 kWh.
>calculated energy produced was about 25 kWh.
>calculated energy produced was about 25 kWh.
>calculated
>some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production.
>some kind of a nuclear process that gives rise to the measured energy production.

http://www.google.co.uk/search?um=1&hl=en&safe=off&nord=1&biw=1280&bih=919&t
bm=isch&sa=1&q=energy+catalyser+rossi&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq= Some pix here

Invest in nickel.

I'm really skeptical.

I thought inventing "cold fusion" would have made bigger ruckus than it has done by now. It still lacks the acceptance of big masses, without them it's just pseudoscience.

Not saying "hurrdurr fuck you", I just think something stinks about whole this shit. Web pages confirming this technology are quite.. suspicious and they make me think people like creationists and their "proofs" about their own things.

>>3020198

Correct, you can greentext :)

But yes skepticism is good as always. I am agnostic to wether it is real or not.

>>3020210
It is only out this year

He hasnt patented it yes / been accepted, so he cannot reveal the mechanism :/ lolol

>Rossi and Focardi have been unable to publish their work in a peer-reviewed scientific journal

This thread should be moved to /x/.

>>3020210
I feel u brah, i am interested to see how it works in his contract with defkalion.

>>3020130
So they claim the device produces heat (lots of it), but it needs to be constantly plugged into the wall so they can heat up a resistor to make the process run. That doesn't add up.

Slightly less efficient and costly than burning wood to produce lye.

>>3020130
I'll remain skeptic unitl it's verified for real.

It looks promising, but too early to bring out the champagne.

Now of course if it is real it's a gamechanger for the energy business, nickel and hydrogen are both abundant and very materials, iron pipes are very cheap too, the catalyst shouldn't be a problem unless it's made of platinum doped diamond or something other ridiculous as it's not consumed. Energy generation would be revolutionized in the most spectacular way possible if this turns out to be real.

>>3020229
They said it can also self supply input power , but performance is a little lower.

It lets you burn nickel into copper.

Fuck yeah, I'm in political god tier with Dalai Lama and Ghandi :)

It burns nickel, for fucks sake.

>>3020249
Brofist

Yeah, keep checking the google news for it to see if it works or not.

>>3020251
No chemical reaction can produce 25kwh from 50cm3

Absolute pseudoscience. You'd need ten times the amount of energy they're throwing at that thing to get anywhere near a cold fusion reaction stable for a couple of nanoseconds.

>Burning nickel
>The most stable nucleus in existence

ftfy op

>>3020249
>Ghandi
Ghandi said that Jews should not have resisted during the Holocaust and that they should have jumped off of cliffs in droves and "thrown their hands on the butcher's knife".

Ghandi was a fucking asshole.

>>3020297
9/10 Well done

Whole thing 2 squares to the left and down 2 is more accurate though. Dialectics dont apply.

there seems to be equal evidence to it being real or it being fake.

but you can rest assured, if it's legit, it'll be copied by every single major energy company out there, and home energy units will be available within a few years

shit, i'll probably build 5 of them in series to power my house

>It is Cold Fusion and has been proven to work
Stopped reading right there.

>>3020303
Ghandi was colored by his experiences. It worked in India because the British weren't genocidal bastards. At least not nearly as much as the Nazis.

>>3020332
Luddites gonna ludd

>>3020341
Cranks gonna crank.

>>3020330
>home energy units will be available within a few years
Make that a week after the knowhow is out.

> i'll probably build 5 of them in series to power my house
Put them in everything everywhere, i'd make my bike steampowered for starters. And then everything else too, a steam-airship would take a while to build I assume but i'd make sure I get one.

>>3020338
Ghandi work'd cause backing him were crazy fucker revolutionaries who had not qualms about terrorism.

>>3020275

Even if it works, we'd run out of nickel in 10 years.

>>3020343
Since when is Chomsky a crank?

>>3020424
Given that it's a nuclear reaction it gives magnitudes more energy per unit of mass than Oil.

Also, it's the 13th most abundant element in the universe, it's a lot lot more common than oil

Seriously doubt it is the real deal. I mean, they're Italian - when did they ever tell the truth about anything?

>>3020130
>It is Cold Fusion and has been proven to work in a grey box scenario.

No, it has not. It is a scam. Thanks for the wiki article, I just deleted the shit out of most of it. It is fucking nonsense,

>>3020439
Reference was to Cold Fusion cranks, not to Chomsky. As though Chomsky were a cold fusion crank.

I love how in OP's pic the suggestion that anyone who is in the black area should be prevented from breeding is in fact a heavily rightist, authoritarian idea, even though the OP pic would claim to be against it.

>>3020742
Extremism YAY!

>HEY GUISE, I INVENTED COLD FUSION
>BUT I REFUSE TO UTILIZE IT FOR ANY PURPOSE WHAT SO EVER UNTIL I PATENT IT

If tesla invented cold fusion, he'd have it powering an entire state by wiring it into the power grid.

I know all about it, but will not tell you because your pic is so fail.

>>3020812

This. Patents and copyrights are the biggest enemies to scientific advancement.

>>3020812
And then bell would've stolen it and patented a shittier version of it.

>>3020839
?
The proposed delay here is from NOT having a patent (yet). Are you saying we'd be better off if there were no patents whatsoever? If company cabals hoarded trade secrets without EVER revealing them?

>>3020742
The only people who have any reason, what so ever to be in that political spectrum are greedy misanthropic warlords. Everyone else is, basically, yelling at their various leaders for not being greedy misanthropic warlords.

>>3020870
The way the system currently works is if A has a marketable secret, B can steal it and patent it, preventing A from furthering development without paying B.

Just did the math and the hypothetical nuclear reactions it could be. Even if you can get past the words "cold fusion" a little bit of investigation shows that it's bullshit... The only viable reaction transmuting Nickel into Copper with Hydrogen would have to be done by fusing deuterium. For them to measure that much energy output, it would have to be enriched deuterium (which is expensive and sort of hard to come by). Even then, they'd be producing normal hydrogen as a by product. BTW, I'm a nuclear engineer, just for some background.

Pic is the reaction I think it would be

>>3021210
whoops, I fucked up the reaction...numbers aren't adding up, but you should get the picture about how much bullshit this is.

ohwowitsthisthreadagain.jpg

The energy catalyzer is a fucking hoax, just like Fleischmann and Pons in 1986

Anyone who has even a small amount of knowledge in nuclear physics will realize the conditions required to do what he is claiming and know that it is not only impossible, but fucking retarded

The heat required (which is an average of the kinetic energy of the particles) to fuse hydrogen or any other hydrogen isotope together is about 120 MILLION kelvin (although fusion reactors actually go to up to 500 million to compensate for the lower density). The kinetic energy required by the nuclei of hydrogen and nickel to fuse would be about 28 times higher, which when taking into account the increased density would mean a temperature of something like 200 million kelvin, far higher then room temperature which he is claiming to do it at.

The guy is a con artist, he claims to have invented something but will not say how it works. Also he hasn't been peer reviewed, because all scientific journals realize that it is fake and wont even bother publishing it

>>3021210
> BTW, I'm a nuclear engineer
> whoops, I fucked up the reaction

That's reassuring.

>mfw you faggots can't recognize an obvious scam
but then you can't recognize obvious trolls either

It’s mostly a routine ‘perpetual motion machine’ grift, the first showing felt exactly like one, the lead around, the “security promotions”, the “select” guests, all about psyching things up with out actual content.
The only thing different was the fact I was reading it on the internet in an article that didn’t get the trick.
The PMM grift typically depends on getting the mark to swear to secrecy so they won’t get feed back from more knowledgeable people, and then after you’ve gotten the money they stay quiet to avoid the humiliation so you are free to work the next mark.
That they are doing this in public and are apparently trying to exploit the hype takes balls of steal and must be chasing one fucking hell of a mark.

>>3021446
derp, face

>>3021210
Hes claiming that its just hydrogen, which would result in 59Cu, which B+ decays into 59Ni with a half life of ~81.5 secs, which further indicates that its a hoax, because if 59Cu was produced he would have died by now

>>3021469
Eh, depends on the reaction rate and the subsequent activity of the 59Cu. He could possibly be exposed (and subsequently be dying, but you wouldn't know without the exact "reaction" the reactants undergo and the reaction rate of the device). Beta decay is surprisingly common and not that harmful. Besides, a little radiation never hurt anyone (emphasis on little).

>>3021399
I'm usually not dealing with pseudoscience nuclear reactions though, so it's understandable. I can talk about actual fission or fusion reactions for days when it came down to it.

>>3021567

Well you could estimate the radioactivity by working out the amount of energy released by each reaction then applying that to the energy output that he claims to have achieved in his lab

>>3020130
>>3020130
haha holy shit, I made the image OP is using for a political thread on /b/ MONTHS ago. Its funny to see people saved it and are using it.

>>3021797
That would work if we knew exactly what reaction it was though. And even with the reactions you gave, it's still guess work. Also, there may be some energy produced from betas impacting structure, so you'd have to account for that too.

update: its patent application has been accepted this time. If it is pending he will reveal the machinations.
surely it could work if it catalysed quantum tunneling through the coulomb barrier.

>>3023912
>catalysed quantum tunneling through the coulomb barrier.

The Coulomb barrier is pretty fucking strong. I'll be staying sceptical of any chemical environment which can change that.

ITT: Faggots don't know about widom-larsen

>>3023940
>>3023940
>>3023940

what about a quantum environment?

>>3023992

>Rationalism only
It's bullshit, just like OP pic.

>>3023941
what about quantum catalysis?

Also is that wilom larsen theory proven?

Lolol the edge of science itt

Confirmed for worth monitoring.

Looks cool

>>3026176

>>3026215
truth hurts christfag

looks amazing, they have proven it to work and produce electrecity. The power gain from 50cm3 on a desktop exceeding 24kwh can only come from a nuclear source really. It is either a delusion based hoax, or the next paradigm shift of power generation. Kudos to the cold fusion guys who stuck around after ms science said it were shit. But seeming as it is in production, we will see if it works and how soon

So possible timeline before we know how it works?
Lets say first units get shipped in November 1st, someone picks it apart and we know what the catalyst is on the 2nd?
Sounds reasonable?