/sci/ - Science & Math

It is true and we have bout 15 days until universal collapse.

16 days later, no-one notices the lack of Fozzy Palmer, notorious philosophical masturbator and unbeknown to him, the universe.

>>2946827
>Atlas/Cern here might care to elaborate what's going on?

Yes
NOTHING IS GOING ON!
stop being so fucking gullibe

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>>2946909
So, I gather someone from CERN leaked some internal info on a potential discovery of the Higgs boson.

Do you have an internal Atlas COM note which says there is an observation of a possible Higgs? I tried to read it but I don't have the security clearance for it.

Do you think it really is the Higgs boson

>>2946994
No one leaked shit. There has been no observed Higgs. I have direct acces to the data and all internal memos. NO HIGGS.

Where are you getting such bullshit from?

quick question from the ignorant...

are the graviton and higgs boson ideas related or are they two completely separate theorized particles?

>rumors
>hints
>anonymous notes

FAKE
IDIOTS

>>2947005

We also have no proof that you work at CERN. pics/dox or your're a troll

Probably that pesky "Send more money" particle again.

It just keeps popping up all over the place when you least expect it.

>>2946848

What?

>>2947019
PhysicsGuy doesn't work at CERN? r u new?

>>2947019
He has proved numerous times that he does indeed work there. Now shut up and listen to him.

>>2947036
yes.

>>2947040
fuck you namefag

Internal Note
Report number ATL-COM-PHYS-2011-415
Title Observation of a γγ resonance at a mass in the vicinity of 115 GeV/c2 at ATLAS and its Higgs interpretation
Author(s) Fang, Y (-) ; Flores Castillo, L R (-) ; Wang, H (-) ; Wu, S L (University of Wisconsin-Madison)
Imprint 21 Apr 2011. – mult. p.
Subject category Detectors and Experimental Techniques
Accelerator/Facility, Experiment CERN LHC ; ATLAS
Free keywords Diphoton ; Resonance ; EWEAK ; HIGGS ; SUSY ; EXOTICS ; EGAMMA
Abstract Motivated by the result of the Higgs boson candidates at LEP with a mass of about 115~GeV/c2, the observation given in ATLAS note ATL-COM-PHYS-2010-935 (November 18, 2010) and the publication “Production of isolated Higgs particle at the Large Hadron Collider Physics” (Letters B 683 2010 354-357), we studied the γγ invariant mass distribution over the range of 80 to 150 GeV/c2. With 37.5~pb−1 data from 2010 and 26.0~pb−1 from 2011, we observe a γγ resonance around 115~GeV/c2 with a significance of 4σ. The event rate for this resonance is about thirty times larger than the expectation from Higgs to γγ in the standard model. This channel H→γγ is of great importance because the presence of new heavy particles can enhance strongly both the Higgs production cross section and the decay branching ratio. This large enhancement over the standard model rate implies that the present result is the first definitive observation of physics beyond the standard model. Exciting new physics, including new particles, may be expected to be found in the very near future.

http://www.math.columbia.edu/~woit/wordpress/?p=3632&cpage=1#comment-88817

The note is on the Cern server but only for those who have access to restricted docs:
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1346326?

So it was posted by someone from Atlas/Cern.

>>2947047

Well, I don't know about you folks but MY nipples are hard.

>>2947055
This topic has piqued my interest. Please tell me more about your nipples.

>>2946909
hey, physics guy
under the proposed standard model which accounts for the higgs-boson....
would it be possible to manipulate how the higgs-boson functions, and perhaps make matter immune to the higgs field, eliminating their mass?

from the descriptions it seems like the end result of all this will be something eerily similar to mass effect...

>>2947047
i don't think internal memos would be written like press releases

>>2947074
That doesn't look like a press release at all. Some words have more than three syllables.

I'll have to ask my particle physics professor next time we have lecture. He works at LHCb, though, but I'm sure he'd know if it were something big.

>>2947081
>Exciting new physics, including new particles, may be expected to be found in the very near future.
yeah, sounds like a data memo to me

>>2947047

1) That article does not exist

2) There are actually alot of articles that talk about "possible" higgs. If that article did exist, it is probably nothing special, just one of those. It would be in no way a confirmation of the Higgs, not even fucking close

>>2947115
They must have took it off the server, since someone leaked the note.

>>2947115

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>>2947129
For someone from CERN you sure are nervous about denying this note, arent'ya?

>>2947127
>when proved wrong
>make up bullshit to explain conspiracy theory

>>2947141

>>2947147
leak..leak...leak..

I imagine that with the ultra powerful ATLAS and CMS, any collision they do will detect heretofore unknown particles, and any of them might be the Higgs Boson. So everything gets labeled a candidate.

>>2947031

no, really. what?

Is it possible the LHC will detect other unknown particles, like the Graviton?

Or a Tachyon. TEE HEE

Got to say, this is about the most disappointing experiment this and/or last decade. wtf are they doing down there all day?

>>2947199
>detect other unknown particles
Yes.

>like the Graviton
No.

>>2947196
It's only running at half capacity for now. In about a year and a half, it will begin its runs at full capacity.

Even after that, it will take a year or two to compute. There will be petabytes of data to analyze.

>>2947199
Nah, it will detect that other mysterious particle: the budgeton.

It appears whenever funds are running out, and its detection produces dozens of vague papers which all end up asking for more money.
For some unknown reason, it tends to disappear shortly after that, but luckily reappears regularly after a couple of years.

>>2947141
>nervous?

Nope, what gave you that idea? I was actually looking forward to reading the "alleged note".
However it simply doesnt exist, Sorry bro.

It was an apirl's fools joke, either about a note that never existed, or a note that was posted and then retracted. Scientist play jokes on eachother too!

It would have been an internal "note", not a publication, not anything official, not anthing peer-reviewed. Anyone can write an internal note, about any meaningless bullshit they want. I could write a note, about how we discovered the Higgs in your moms pussy! (i may get fired though...lol).

A note from CERN should not have been posted on the internet, cause we get retards like yall, jumping to conclusions. Just another reason to keep shit from yall. Maybe if the general public even grows the fuck up, infomation would be avalible to ya'll.

>>2947196
>wtf are they doing down there all day?

Colliding hard-ons, won't you know?

>>2947219

>>2947196
>reason america is going downhill

I say we should shut it down, since it's not producing anything, but eating milions of euros.
People are starving and they are playing with our moneys.

>>2947239
>ya'lll
please stop speaking

>>2947270
>implying scientific progress isn't more important than the lives of a few useless and uneducated people

>>2947270

The LHC is important.

If we discover that, in fact, there is no Higgs boson, then the Standard Model has an error. New theories everywhere!

>>2947288
Finally, silly-strings die.

>>2947270
If we're gonna start shutting down useless money drains, then we'd better start with Greece.

>>2947286
>why u hate the ya'll?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y'all

>>2947295
>thinks strings are in the standard model

>>2947306
The TOE is part of the standard model?

>>2947310
Nope

>>2947303
>If we're gonna start shutting down useless money drains

Shut down the military, all financial problems are now solved. This means you AMERIKA!

>>2947316
>The standard model of particle physics is a theory.

>>2947341
>you are a shitty troll

>>2947321
We can't. All our Federal monies go to the Federal Reserve corporation, and the companies that own it make a lot of the weapons for the military industrial complex.

America does not own America, the Federal Reserve corporation owns America.

>>2947348
>A theory that has as much going for it as it's correlation to silly-strings.

Question: if the Higgs boson is found, does that mean that we have a theory coupling GR to QM or will we still need a TOE?

>>2947352
silly strings = predicts nothing, explains nothing

standard model = able to predict and explain all electromagnetic and nuclear phenomia


Big difference. We actually use the standard model for shit. We dont use string theory at all.

>>2947365
>Big difference.

If your model doesn't produce the results it is supposed to predict, it is a shitty model.

>>2947382
QED and QCD (large parts of the standard model), and the most accurate scientific theories even produced.

>>2947397
And if there is no Higgs boson, then what?

>>2947408
It doesn't change the fact that QED and QCD still work.

>>2947416
If they're part of the standard model, and the standard model doesn't predict what it is supposed to predict, then we'll have to rework Quantum electrodynamics AND Quantum chromodynamics, so fuck you and your silly-strings, whore.

It's the first time that such a clear Higgs result has been found. This case is interesting for a few reasons

1) It's in the mass-range that was excluded by LEP and Fermilab

2) The cross section is ~30x higher than the Standard Model prediction

3) It was produced as an internal communication (ie it was posted Wednesday so that the ATLAS Higgs group could look at it), but then ATLAS physicists posted and talked about by ATLAS physicists in departments around the country and on blogs around the internet. This indicates that all of the secrecy and careful step-by-step approval processes in order to prevent embarrassing false-positives is meaningless; if there's a really exciting bump in the data, then physicists will want to talk about it before all of the details have been checked over by other experts.

This is both good and bad; it's good because these are scientists who are clearly very interested in their craft, but it's bad because now if the paper turns out to be wrong then it's going to make the entire ATLAS Collaboration look bad because the information was not meant to be shown publicly yet (ie if there's a mistake in some code somewhere and it gets caught during the coming weeks of review before the paper is even approved for internal ATLAS distribution, and months before it's approved for public consumption, then the ATLAS conveners will look stupid simply because a lot of scientists got a little too excited and jumped the gun)

>>2947115

I like how if CERN ever get tired of having screens of their internal systems posted on the internet by some employee, they can just see who queried the database with the specific string "Observation of a γγ resonance at a mass in the vicinity of 115 GeV/c2 at ATLAS and its Higgs interpretation"

And then attach that person to one of the graphite blocks and do a ful power beam dump into it. You know hypothetically speaking.