/sci/ - Science & Math

Embed a huge nuke like Tsar Bomba into the bottom of the ocean crust, then detonate it.

It will crack the crust and force the mantle to spew out lava, creating a new landmass.

>>2928388
1.dig giant hole in your backyard (leave appropriate sized patch)
2.fill with water
3.enjoy your private island
3.

>>2928413
>actual science thread
>retarded reply

Let's just keep dumping our garbage in the ocean maybe that trash island will become stable enough to live on. Plus people throw away some good stuff sometimes, you might be able to live off half-eaten sandwiches in plastic bags.

>>2928397

Am I the only one who quietly wants for massively destructive shit like this to happen just so I could see the results?

I was secretely a little anxious when those retards mentioned nuking the BP oil spill.

Get money. Buy a pacific island. They go pretty far out.

You can have trawlers pile 100000s of tons of material on some reef that is only a few metres below sea level, might need to use expensive erosion resistant materials though.

Don't expect your micronation to be anything but a joke.

When I'm doing that I just collect as many dirt or cobblestone blocks as I can, then go out to a good distance in the sea and sink to the bottom. Then you press space and right click alternately to maker a tower of blocks - it might take a few tries because of the air limit. Once you reach the surface it's just a matter of expanding the area by placing blocks at the side of the top of the stack. Sand won't work because it'll sink if you try to place it, and don't forget to light the island with torches or you'll get creepers.

There are some areas in the middle of the Indian ocean just shallow enough that you could probably use concrete pylons to build on top of. You'd definitely deal with pirates though.

With electricity and magnesium cages, you can grow a strong cement-like structure from seawater. Sort of like a hardened limestone.

Read The Millennial Project, specifically the bits about Aquarius. He laid out a very extensive plan to create self sufficient floating cities. A few mistakes in his seacrete formula and the use of OTECs to power it though. Plus the start-up costs would be in the billions.

>>2928388
The average depth of the Atlantic is 3km. To create an actual island, let's say you create a 45 degree cone of that height for the base of your island (so only the tip is above the water). That's a volume of 9 pi billion cubic meters.

The Three Gorges damn excavated 150 million cu m of rock. 9*pi billion/150 million =360,000. So this project is 190 times the volume as excavated in the three gorges damn.

Let's generously assume excavating for a damn is equally as costly as bringing rock out to the middle of the fucking ocean. 3 gorges had a cost of $26 billion

26 billion *190 = $4.9 trillion as a conservative estimate.

>>2928539
That's why you don't go where the Atlantic is 3km in depth idiot.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mascarene_Plateau
>The plateau covers an area of over 115,000 km² of shallow water, with depths ranging from 8 to 150 meters

>>2928546
>>island is "far the fuck away" from anyone, as in, so far deep in international waters that not even a full retard country would dare claim it

That plateau isn't anything like that. It's well within the territorial waters of Madagascar or the Seychelles.

If you're going to build within a nation's territorial waters, you might as well build on the continental shelf, which is similarly shallow.

Build an island that resembles a mushroom. Just still a long pipe down to the ocean floor. Fill the pile with earth. Attach a large funnel to the top of the pipe and fill that with earth too. There, you have an island.

>>2928591
Why not just build a floating platform and anchor it then? Your design would have to practically float anyway for the pipe/bottom to not collapse.

assuming you actually have the resources to do this, you should make something cooler instead of just dumping trillions of dollars into the ocean

>>2928597
This.

There are plenty of uninhabited islands. On the southeast panhandle of Alaska there is something called the "Alexander Archipelago". I live on one of the more inhabited islands, Baranof, in a town called Sitka. However, this archipelago contains many islands of a variety of sizes that have not yet been settled on or have very few people. The whether is like that of northern Washington. Summers are to die for. I highly recommend you look in to it. I truly believe I live in one of the most beautiful spots in the world.

The picture is of one of the sunsets that are very common. Out front are a couple (out of thousands) islands. They are covered in various trees, sand, rock, and soil.

For the cost you could just plant a small colony on the moon and declare independence.

>>2928634

weather*

>>2928634
..How feasible would this be?

Is this even legal? I've always wondered about just living in the middle of nowhere, but property ownership kind of causes some trouble.

>>2928648
It's a US nuclear warhead!

>>2928672

It is quite feasible. Property can be bought on some of these islands for relatively cheap. The islands that are close to the bigger towns probably cost more though. My family owns a bit of property that is pretty much in a bay in the middle of nowhere. A beautiful bit of nowhere though. A lot of these properties exist all over these islands. The reason they exist though is building something way out there is somewhat of a hassle. It is quite doable and I have been a part of building two of these cabins. They took about a 2 months each.

So if you have a some extra money I'd say do it. All materials can be carried to the islands via boat or floatplane. The islands are close enough to satellites that internet and TV access can be set up if wanted.

The other option is to build and outlaw cabin. This can be done anywhere. But they are also illegal :). A lot of people make them though and they are found all over. There is quite a bit of support for them around here as well so some officials will look the other way.

>>2928727
I'm.. going to have to keep this in mind! Thank you!

>>2928734

You're very welcome.

if you dont mind the cold, yust go in some northern country. lots of empty space and depression is what waits there for you (especially when it is almost all day dark in wintertime)

You really would be better off with a big flouting boat. There's already a giant mass of garbage in the pacific, you could just glue it all together and then dump soil on it. Then anchor it in place.

Also there was a situation off the coast of Mexico I believe where a man lashed together a bunch of trash then declared independence. The Mexican government then came and took it by force. They even planted the Mexican flag before destroying it.

The nations of the world at large would do everything in their power to destroy you. Of course, if you had the money and influence to make your idea a reality you'd probably be able to defend yourself.

I got an idea. Build a house on a platform, and then build a 3 kilometer tall support structure.

Problem solved.

Actually if I had such a thing, I would just stick in where I currently live. Id have to keep parachutes around in case one of you pranksters chopped down my house.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Byrd_Land

there you go OP, all for the taking

and all you have to live through is fucking cold temperatures and 4 months without sun every year

the north sea is really fucking shallow. half the netherlands is just north sea that they walled off and pumped the water out of. just get a shitload of crap and pile it up in a big ring in the north sea, then pump out the water. ta-da, new country!

now enjoy the wealth of your exclusive economic zone, which more than likely contains oil reserves.

Just remember the un voted that they would not recognize any governments on new artificial islands.

>>2928634
>>2928634
>>2928634
Where can i see prospects for sale on these islands?

Btw. Nice photo.

>>2928893
How would an individual launch a claim for ownership of Marie Byrd Land?

>>2930055

that's nice and all but if you properly established yourself there with a whole bunch of people and had a whole generation of people who were born and raised there all grow to adulthood and form a democratic government, it would be pretty hard not to recognise their legitimacy regardless of the ridiculous hippie antics of their parents.

The Moon Treaty would have nobody recognise the new state

i dont think the issue is becoming a nation, the issue is just not being part of an existing nation. unless you want to get involved in international politics there's really no disadvantage to being a stateless entity. the "national economy" would be equivalent to a corporate income or something like that, and if you can earn enough to hire a bunch of mercinaries with rpgs and ak47s (or form your very own gurkha regiment) you'll probably stave off invasion since it's no longer a case of just walking in and threatening you off the land.

tl;dr: you don't need to officially be a country, just be a bond villain.

>>2928727
How is electricity done there? Do they string up islands (presumably at the property owner's cost), or would one need to bring a whole bunch of solar panels?

Get Sovereign somehow on a piece of land that has shoals in the middle of the ocean. then accept trash from other nations for a few years for free. then build on top of that.

>>2930233
wouldn't that require waiving your current nationality?
I imagine that would make many purchases complicated

>>2930208
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_Treaty
>The Agreement Governing the Activities of States on the Moon and Other Celestial Bodies,[1] better known as the Moon Treaty or Moon Agreement, is an international treaty that turns jurisdiction of all heavenly bodies (including the orbits around such bodies) over to the international community.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rogue_wave

oh shi

In the arena of international affairs anyone with a strong enough military is legitimate. If you can raise a private army, invade a small island-state, and protect that land from counterattacks long enough you'll effectively be a nation unto yourself. To be recognized by other countries you'll have to have something worth recognizing, like a resource.

>>2931338
1. how does the Moon Treaty define a heavenly body?
2. does is specifically exclude Earth from being included in that definion?

I might have a new plan to take over the world.

>>2931405
'extraterrestrial' is probably included at least once, so don't get your hopes up.

>>2931405
hello Mr. Evil Genius, I'm an evil genius too. Perhaps we could ally

Prepare to be invaded by the closest country with a military