/sci/ - Science & Math

brofist OP.

Because by throwing around the word "nigger" like that in an actually racist manner, you're demonstrating that your racism is more deeply rooted than your rationality or willingness to listen and that you are never going to be convinced that your opinions are wrong.

>>2904513
>Implying facts are opinions
>Implying facts are wrong

Shit man, Stormfront is on a warpath today

You seem awfully concerned about the state of the African people, OP. Maybe you would feel better volunteering with the Peace Corps? Since you focus so much on it.

http://www.ln.edu.hk/philoso/staff/sesardic/Race.pdf
http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/PPPL1.pdf
http://www.colorofcrime.com/colorofcrime2005.pdf

looks poor but just a house like any other

If we live in big houses and are unhappy, and they live in small houses and are happy, who really wins?

It isn't my opinion that Africa is a shit hole. It is an accurate characterization given almost every objective measure of the quality of human life.

>>2904513

You see what you did there? You focused on the trivial language used and dismissed the facts. And your dismissal is subjectivley based on your feeling of the language used, not the content of the argument.

That is really retarded.

>>2904511

After the war of Northern Agression, the US offered to send every nigger back to Africa at no expense to them. You have to give the nigger some credit, only a small handful took them up on the offer and many of them eventually came back to the US.

Even the nigger could recognize that living as a second class citizen in the USA far exceeds living in the jungle with their primitive bothers.

>>2904557
>After the war of Northern Agression
lol. Do you mean the Civil War, you racist southerner?

>>2904513
Ignore this troll. Op, why are you wasting time here when you should be writing your book? Be sure to mention how all Muslims are terrorists and evolution isn't real because of JAYSUS!

PS. OP, the above statement was me mocking you, and this statement is me explaining this because I have no faith in your ability to understand this.

Except there's nothing wrong with living in a hut. It's cheap and lasts a long time, easy to repair, too. You can even make it into a cozy permanent dwelling. Why should these people adopt your style of architecture when it's served them so well for millennia?

And not all Africans or even Sub-Saharan Africans lived in mud huts (spoiler: not all huts are made of mud, either).

You see, you're already making this thread with an opinion, without even looking at actual facts.

>>2904501
The logic you use is fine provided you deduce why anyone ought to build a "better" structure then this. It keeps the rain and wild animals out, what more is it needed to do? They grow their own food and have not died out. Prove why the ought to do more then this.

>>2904565
That is a cozy looking home.

>>2904564
>Ad hominems, ad hominems everywhere

Do you live in your own house or does a bank hold the deed?

>>2904541
OP may be a stupid troll but these are some real studies

>>2904583
What's your point?

>>2904565
>why should people evolve when what they're doing is working
Are you serious? Why did we invent cars then, horse and buggies worked. Actually, why did we even ride horses, we have legs that work.

I agree OP, I really don't see the point of Africa other than keeping AIDS and a million other terrible diseases active.

>>2904586
studies that don't prove anything. There is no universally accepted relationship between race and intelligence and to be honest, trying to simplify the relationship at this point is like asserting that god exists simply because theres lots of stuff we don't know.

>>2904594
ad hominems are a shit way to put forward an argument.

>>2904565
Why don't we stay in caves since they served us so well for millennia?
Why don't we eat raw food since that served us so well for millennia?

Very complicated matter. Can't simply be explained away by saying "hurr niggers are dumb." It's not exactly like they can go down to Home Depot and buy concrete.

Also, don't forget that the way some tribes live in Africa right now is...
(drumroll)
basically the way all other humans have lived for 99% of their existence before the Industrial Revolution.

Another point: Don't take the fact that they haven't created much industry/civilization/&c. with the notion that they are _unable_ to.

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/william_kamkwamba_on_building_a_windmill.html

>ITT Batshit insecure racists try to justify their deep hatred via conspiracy theories and pseudo science

face it, your ways are so fucking retarded you got deleted off 4chan. you're a joke stormfags. no one takes you seriously

>>2904603
>Implying green texting isn't an effective way to highlight central points

>>2904597
PROTIP: If you don't know what a word means, don't use it or you'll just end up embarrassing yourself. The people of Africa are very well adapted to their environment. If they weren't, they wouldn't be around.

>>2904563

You see how a choice of language can be used to confuse you in to drawing conclusions that are not based in fact, but your own preconcieved notions. You are the type of weak minded person who is not good at critical thinking and are very easy to mislead. Please don't ever vote in a political election, continue to vote for the next American Idol.

>>2904565

Try not focusing so much on the actual hut and look at it as a symbol of the level of society that they are able to reach.

But your defense of the hut is just retarded.

>>2904574

Because humans have demonstrated an ability to do more than just survive. Niggers demonstrate that they can just barely survive.

Modern societies have these idea that children should be at the mercy of curable diseases and lion attacks. Than a person should be able to explore and enjoy his life instead of spending all day searching for grub or face death.

>>2904597
Africa is nothing less than a AIDS bucket that's never going to get any better. We should just bomb it now.

Not op or anyone else, but I would like to point to the country of Liberia. A country started by ex-slaves that turned to shit, not because of white people, but because of Africans.

>>2904612
>He can't refute the facts
>Butthurt white middle class pseudo-intellectual suburbanite liberal apologist detected

>>2904614
>implying that this method of argument isn't completely idiotic and meaningless.
>implying that arguing in this manner doesn't make you look like a gibbering moron.

>>2904605
>It's not exactly like they can go down to Home Depot and buy concrete.
and why is that?
>hurr niggers are dumb

>>2904616
I'm sorry, which word did I use incorrectly exactly?

How do you idiots who ignore the facts presented behind the concept of race reconcile shit like this.

Pictured is a "modern" cracker housing unit is eastern seaboard USA. I am using it to demonstrate something that you should know, the entire American continent is complete shit.

Now I know the apologists explain this away by saying that crackers live like this because of subjugation by the the jews. To do this you have to ignore the fact that every other group of people around the world were able to construct buildings far exceeding cracker huts before the jews started subjugating anyone.

You will also have to ignore one of the ultimate examples of jew subjugation with Sand niggers and forget that the modern Sand nigger, while living in a shit hole, doesn't live in primitive track housing or trailers today.

Why is it so hard to accept that this is the best a cracker can do. And why is it so easy for you to dismiss these facts when I add the word cracker in there?

>>2904625
>Implying it is
>Implying it does
>Implying copy pasta isn't worse

>>2904597
What is the point of life? And why is advancing evolution more desirable? I am seriously asking this question btw. Prove deductively why anyone ought to try and gain this knowledge compared to just living/enjoying the life they were given.

You can fulfill all of maslow's hierarchy of needs by living off the land like this.

ITT: Uninformed people who watched National Geographic and think all of Africa is like "this one tribe I saw on TV with topless women"

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articles/2010/11/29/the_african_miracle

>While challenges remain, Africa has a bright future -- you can bet on it, as countless businesses are doing every day.

Another fun Africa fact: Bono is the worst thing to happen to Africa in decades.

Here is how Bono works:
1. He tells everyone to give money to their governments to give to Africa.
2. People give their money to their governments, and then the governments send the money to whoever happens to be ruling a particual area of africa on any given day (that changes a lot because they have no stability in any institutions).
3. The people getting the money are usually warlords who subjigate the people in their area and fight for more territory. The use Bono's money to buy wepons to kill more people. It never actually gets to the people that need it.
4. ???
5. Profit

>>2904635
>Implying it isn't
>Implying it doesn't
>Implying copy pasta is worse

>germany?
nope.avi

>tanzania
yes

>>2904603
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominem
That's a little link for you so you can educate yourself. Ad Hominums are not always logical fallacies. OP is the kind of cartoonish caricature of the American south that makes the rest of the country look bad. His every action is based on a desire to prove his own value, and since he has none he can only hope to tear down someone else. To put it in simple terms for you: OP cannot be the good guys unless black folks are the bad guys. And OP cannot stand to not be the good guys.

>>2904642

You are talking about areas that had intensive help from European countries over the last century or so.

The Africans left to their own devices keep shitty and primitive societies.

ITT: not a single racist can point out the genes that control skin color and how they might affect other traits like intelligence, which they claim must differ

Burden of proof is on you, you're claiming humans are not humans, you better have some genetic info. And I'm not talking about some "genetic distance" bullshit, you better have actual gene locations and descriptions of 'race' before you even try some of your bs

>>2904642
>Implying businesses using cheap labour is any different from slavery
>My face when your link proved niggers are useless without a slave driver

>>2904637
First/second fucking levels man, physiological and safety needs. What is safer/healthier to live in, a nice house made of bricks/whatever the fuck houses are made of now that has an alarm system, locks, good storage space, electricity, running water etc. or a hut with a dirt floor, a hole in the ground for a bathroom, no water, and insects crawling around it?

There's a reason we moved out of caves, it isn't all just luxury.

>>2904661
this

also, it's well known that Africa has the highest genetic diversity of any continent. in other words, any allele that occurs in other continents (europe, asia, etc.), also occurs in Africa (at varying levels).

Racialists who generalize based on phenotypes 0
Science 1

>>2904661
>Implying research into race differences isn't being hampered by bleeding heart liberal
>Implying we can't tell the differences between races with dna tests http://www.wired.com/politics/law/magazine/16-01/ps_dna
>Implying every race but niggers don't have neanderthal dna

>>2904663
>>2904660

dyslexics detected

read the article. it said european and american companies are starting to _do business_ with african businesses.

doing business != slavery

I wonder if OP knows how to build a house with his bare hands? hunt his own food? live off the land by his own skill? I wonder if OP would last more than 1 week in sub-Saharan Africa before he curled up and died like a pathetic little faggot while he tried to find the nearest McDonalds?

>>2904605
I've seen that before. That guy is so boss, I could feel his happiness.

>>2904689
Oh, so you don't have any credible data because of a conspiracy theory? well, fuck off till you get it


BTW if someone could actually prove what you say is true then some tea party politician would have funded it by now

>>2904661
Holy shit, you are the racist here dude. I'm not sure I'm speaking for everyone here, but I personally am saying this:
I do not give a FUCK what color the niggers' skin is. Whether it be black, brown, orange, purple, whatever. The fact that they have a different skin color is irrelavent to the point that they evolved in a completely different environment. Niggers in Africa evolved in a place that required strength, speed, love of watermelon, etc. White people in Europe evolved in a place that required intelligence, innovation, etc. It's not a racist remark, it's just plain fact that black people needed physical qualities to survive and white needed mental ones. The fact that we have different skin colors or are of the same genus has nothing to do with anything.

tl;dr: You wouldn't look at a great white shark and a whale shark the same just because they're both "sharks" would you? Each one has different strength/weaknesses because of different settings.

>>2904691
>Pic is of an african business

>>2904689
Straight from my bio textbook:

"Scientists have been able to isolate large parts of the genome of H. neanderthalensis from recent fossils and to compare it with our own. These studies suggest little or no interbreeding between the two species while they occupied the same range in Europe and western Asia."

Life: The Science of Biology 9th e / Sadava
2011 Sinauer Associates

>>2904701
1/10 only because you sounded almost too retarded to be a troll

>>2904698
>Implying they haven't
>Implying the research was branded as racist and ignored. See adoptions studies
>Implying scientists want to throw their reputations and jobs away
>Implying you have produced one piece of evidence to support your claims that all races are equal

>>2904701
>Niggers in Africa evolved in a place that required strength, speed, love of watermelon
>evolved love of watermelon
>evolved
>love of watermelon
>love of watermelon

>>2904670
Only if the big bad wolf is going to blow your house made of straw down. However the big bad wolf is a fictional character in a story book if you didn't know.

Rivers produce running water, why do you think civilizations have normally always thrived near water?
Are you serious about locks? Locks don't stop anyone from breaking into your house, they simply haven't done it, but if someone wanted to a lock wouldn't stop them.

You are seriously saying that no one can be happy by living in a small village like this? Because video games and a computer are what make people happy am I right?

>>2904704
watch them ignore this

>>2904707
>lol dude u r just to retrded to even argue with
Great counter points man. Why are you even still in this thread? You clearly just think everyone is an idiot and I guess you think by sageing you aren't supporting it, but really, you're just giving everyone else a reason to bump it with a new point. If you think everyone here is a retard, then get out of the thread and stop trying to argue with retards.

>>2904704
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=niggers+don%27t+have+neanderthal+dna

>Implying poor quality textbooks are a valid alternative to published research

Gosh! Those stupid rural sub-saharan africans building their homes out of locally available, renewable materials which also happen to be extremely effective at keeping the inside at a comfortable temperature every hour of every day. If they were as highly evolved and even half as inteligent as we God-chosen white men they'd be building their homes out of concrete and covering their buildings in air conditioning units like civilised peoples.

>>2904704
http://www.sciencemag.org/content/328/5979/710

Prove they're wrong or gtfo

>>2904725
>"valid research"
>google it, nothing shows up but web forums and storm***nt (think it's auto ban - won't risk)

i'm sticking to my university textbook, thank you very much

>>2904701
Wow, that is probably the dumbest thing said in this post, and that is an accomplishment.

You realize that all humans came from Africa, right? And we left Africa relatively recently. But hey, I'm sure you're right. Sometime in the last 50 thousand years white and black people diverged into two distinct species. That can inter-breed. And produce viable offspring.

>>2904715
Not a troll, just throwing in a joke in that wall of text.
>>2904716
I am not saying that it is impossible to be happy living in a shit area, I'm saying it's retarded to try and say these people are continuing to live in a shit area when advancements have been made. If teleportation was invented tomorrow, you'd use it wouldn't you? It's not because driving a car isn't working out for you, it's just because it makes more sense to use the more convenient/useful method.

>>2904736
>Don't look for research
>Claim it doesn't exist
>Link is in post above
>Get shown to be a lying faggot

>>2904738
>Ignoring facts that prove you wrong
>Creationist detected

>mfw stormfront everyday on /sci/
Go to /psuedosci/ or something

I agree with the OP
There isn't a single predominantly black country that isn't a shithole

>>2904753
>Observed facts
>Pseudo-science

Don't come back >>>/x/

Africa being a shithole has nothing to do with science and everything to do with the fact that all of their civilized and unifying cultures collapsed a long time ago. A Europe consisting of celts, sami and scattered germanic and slavic tribes would probably suck equal amounts of floppy donkey dick.

Stormfags always bring up the same arguments ("why haven't they created technology," "look at these IQ tests," "why do they commit all the crimes," "they are different species," "they look like chimps"). All things that have been repeated in some form or another since the 1600s, yet they act like it's some "suppressed scientific knowledge."

Give me a break. Please, if we want this stuff, we'll go to /new/ or /b/. Let's just keep things in their appropriate places.

>>2904725
I lold.

>>2904738
>all people originate from Africa
>somehow people still manage to evolve from black to white skin
>people can evolve into completely different skin colors and yet it's ridiculous to think they evolved into different levels of intellect or physical capabilities
I'm not sure I follow your logic sir.

ITT: race doesn't exist because the worst possible implementation of the definition is trivially false.

>>2904764
no it has to do with science
Smart black people got killed by lions while dumb "jock types" survived

>>2904779
>Smart black people got killed by lions while dumb "jock types" survived

backed by solid evidence
not conjecture

checks out, definitely no pseudoscience here!

>>2904769
You're ignorance of evolution is astounding.

>>2904715
Well, water and simple carbohydrates are necessary and possibly scarce in Africa, and watermelon provides both.

Sage for stormfaggotry.

>>2904750
I'm sorry, I take back what I said. Calling me a creationist is the dumbest statement in this thread. You have proven me wrong, sir.

>>2904769
>mfw dark skin is only a few base pair substitutions
>mfw a rare mutation can easily change that over one generation
>like this pic

you'll find it's not as easy to fool those of us who actually study
protip: try /b/

>>2904689
wut? Everyone has neaderthal DNA, this is known, can't find the fucking article anymore though

>>2904791
Alright, just waiting to hear some actual refutations here instead of just "You don't know what you're talking about." How about instead of just saying "You're ignorant" you actually tell me what I'm missing from evolution?

Also, did you seriously just use the incorrect form of your while trying to call me an idiot?

>>2904816
see:
>>2904704

>you are now aware

Egypt.

>>2904817
lol

>>2904815
>rare mutation can easily change that over one generation
So you're saying any day now someone could just have a "rare mutation" and we could start making green people after one generation?

>>2904826
>inb4 egyptians were white
>don't rewrite history

>>2904834
nah, its the gene for melanin. more melanin makes you browner in colour. low melanin is very light skin.

different melanin quantities cant make you green, or any other colour for that matter

>>2904834
>So you're saying any day now someone could just have a "rare mutation" and we could start making green people after one generation?
>green people

fullretard.jpg

lrn2melanin concentration
continuum between light and dark skin

let's throw op in africa and see if he can do shit

>>2904817
Sorry about the late response, hopefully you'll see this. I don't know a whole lot about evolution either, but lets see how my interpretations add up.

Firstly, I was not saying you were stupid. I was saying you no little about evolution. My misuse of the word "you're" was a mistake. I knew you would point that one out.

Well here is my shot: Skin color is more variable than intellect. Since our intellect evolved some time ago, it is less likely to vary because natural selection is less likely to to act upon traits that are already highly ideal to survival. For example, you may see tons of variation in the plumage of various types of birds, but little in how their wings are sturctured. Maybe that will help.

Under what possible circumstances could less intelligence be selected for as a trait that enhances survival?

>my hair is bird
>your argument is invalid

>>2904845
Sandniggers aren't the same as regular niggers.

>>2905080
A situation in which food is scarce but requires physical ability to obtain rather than intelligence, making intelligence and a larger brain an inefficient caloric investment.

>implying getting food doesn't mean hunting
>implying a hunting culture wasn't how humans originally got their large brain

>>2905096
>>2905096
>implying getting food means hunting
>implying hunting soley lead to larger brains

>>2905096
cooking is how humans got their large brains

>>2904501
>And why is it so easy for you to dismiss these facts when I add the word nigger in there?
Because you're on /sci/ expecting a scientific discussion when you bear no sense of objectivity.

Regardless of whatever concept you're arguing for, and prior to any concept even being introduced.

You dumb fucking nigger.

Blah, blah, blah. Nag, cry, bitch OP.

I also pondered about the lack of progress in Africa when I was a teenager full of angst and wanted to feel superior, but instead of drawing conclusion from my own narrow observations and anecdotal evidence I actually tried to understand why there wasn't so much advancement outside of the Eurasia.

1. The Fertile Crescent is in the Middle East and this is where civilization started, and where wheat and barley originated. This plant is easily cultivated and high in protein and carbs for the amount of effort it takes to grow these plants. Furthermore, these plants could be grown in Western Europe because although Western Europe did not have a God-send plant like wheat or barley, they lie on the same latitude plane as the Fertile Crescent and Europeans eventually benefited from migrating Middle Eastern populations that brought these farming traditions with them, thus farming communities in Europe, and thus allowed the development of a complex developed society to take root. Unfortunately these plants do not do well in sub Saharan Africa because of the drastic change in climate and ecology (without the introduction of highly complicated methods of selective breeding and later developed farming techniques such as nitrogen rich fertilizer, irrigation, ect.) and were not introduced in viable areas of the Americas until far later in history when the New World was discovered. Note that rice acted as the god send plant in Asia with its rich protein and sugar content.

>>2905187
2. If Jamal is a hunter gatherer in Africa, and his tribe has hit a stride that has given them a steady meal for the past few months, he's not going to stop and ask his tribe to develop a written language or philosophize about the world. Hell no, you follow their food source and fatten up for the inevitable drought or some other natural disaster that'll destroy game populations or wild plants where food is harvested from. You can't pay someone to be a professional black smith or develop science and technology if there's no communal food supply. Nope, instead everyone spends their life expending their energy in finding their next meal, even if that means not upgrading out of your hut made of renewable that are effective at keeping the inside at a comfortable temperature, easily repairable, and hold up well in extremely dry and extremely wet seasons.

3. Sheep, swine, oxen, bovine, horses, all but one (the Llama) modern day farm mammals originated in the Middle East. These animals are extremely important to begin large civilization where science and technology can be developed passed the bronze age because even though there were ancient civilizations like the Aztecs in South America, and the Zulus in Africa for example, “primitive” civilizations where there was a fairly complex economic trade taking place, but no written language, lacked farm animals that could plough fields, act as nature's agricultural machinery (oxen, horses) or provide a reliable source of protein in the form of meat and milk and keep you warm for the cold European winters (cows, sheep, and pigs). And again, these farm animals originated in the Middle East and the animals could only thrive in areas with similar climates and biomes (+/- 15 degrees latitude).

>>2905192
You can not leap frog the necessary steps for forming technological advanced with highly individualized professions in a society without first securing a reliable food source.
Instead of trying to convince the largely disinterested world that substantially meaningful differences in races exists, here’s a mantra to size up; move on with your life. Seriously, no one gives a shit about this except people full of angst who need a reason to explain their lack of accomplishment in their life and require a scapegoat for the inexplicable void of fulfillment in their life that they feel.

>>2905187
>>2905192
>>2905196
this; well said

except for the creepy guy
>my nightmares

>>2905196
While I felt your other posts seem a bit desperately apologist, I agree with this one 100%.

>>2905209
Class + style = classyle

This thread is now about Classyle.

>>2904826

The only niggers in Egypt were nubian slaves kept as body servants.

Pharonic egyptians were VERY conscious of their bloodlines. It's only since the advent of Islam in the region that they've started to allow interbreeding.

Prom night. Adopted the pseudonym "Jovantee Blaire".

>>2905246
What's with stormfront fags always talking about bloodlines? I bet your great great grand daddy was black.

>>2905196
>here’s a mantra to size up; move on with your life. Seriously, no one gives a shit about this except people full of angst who need a reason to explain their lack of accomplishment in their life and require a scapegoat for the inexplicable void of fulfillment in their life that they feel.

>>2905196
>Instead of trying to convince the largely disinterested world that substantially meaningful differences in races exists, here’s a mantra to size up; move on with your life.

Also, hate is baggage.

>>2905192
This anon makes a good point. When Africans migrated and settled in Egypt, which at the time had arable land due to the proximity of the Nile river, they were able to create a relatively sustainable agrarian society (lasted like 2000 years).

>>2905258
amen

capcha related:
>>ayearta equal

>>2904501
1) define race. Such a thing does not biologically exist.
2) You must not know much about climatology or how it affects the different civilizations of the world. Europe has the largest area of rich farm land in the entire world. This is the source of European power and it is the sole reason that Europe dominated the entire world for hundreds of years. Now look to Africa: bare deserts, bad soil, inhospitable climate. To understand why Africans live in huts, you have to understand the conditions they live in. They must move with the seasons. They are forced to be nomadic. That's a lovely house you live in OP but if it was in Africa, you'd have to leave it in 2 months. You would seriously waste months building a giant house only to leave it behind for a large portion of the year? No? Then why do you demand Africans do it? What kind of dumb fag are you?
3) It's easy to undermine the accomplishments of other civilizations when you are the one defining what is an accomplishment, and you define it in terms of your culture.

>>2905269
what the fuck is that picture

>>2904703
>whites want to celebrate their history? There is a famous white man named Chris-Chan who wears bras, fucks stuffed animals and puts large objects in his anus to please women. Obviously all white people find this intriguing because he is so famous. If white people didn't approve of this activity, I don't see how he could reach such level of fame. Whites should be very proud of their history.

I can do it too. And black history month generally focuses around what African Americans went through, not modern-day Africans.

Taxonomy sure is popular than ever given credit for. You people just love to label stuff

GODDAMNIT, I HOPE YOU DO KNOW THAT THERE ARE CITIES IN AFRICA. THEY HAVE ELECTRICITY AND EVERYTHING FUCKDAMN OP IS STUPID. THE ONLY ONES THAT LIVE IN HUTS ARE EXTREMELY POOR, AND EVEN THEN THEY LIVE BETTER THAN HOMELESS PEOPLE ON THE STREETS IN AMURICA.