/sci/ - Science & Math

yeah I really hate this.

I've known a few math profs who absolutely cannot do simple arithmatic. however, give them some crazy proof and they can do it np.

ppl are idiots.

It's called math.

Better than asking how much you make and if you chose any job you want.

>>2882785
you can't do that in your head?

1160 - 58 = 1102

>>2882809
My point was really to show the stupid questions I get asked, sometimes they ask simple shit like that yeah but I don't even wanna dignify them with a response.

people in america do that, too. they usually either never went to college or never studied anything involving math, so they're stuck at grade school level math (which is addition and subtraction)

when they think of math professors, i'm sure they imagine some old guy in a chair sitting down and trying to figure out 13883392 * 2039384 in his head.

Another decent way to think of a problem like 58*19 is (50+8)(10+9). So 500+80+450+72. In some cases it makes the problem easier. Then again it doesn't fucking matter.

Still, a lot of people get confused with the concept that mathematicians are meant to calculate. Thats not why i'm in the field. I don't give a shit if what I know/made has a real world application or not.

>>2882828
why don't you just tell them: "thats not really what higher level math is about"

or, just make up a number that sounds about right, and watch them go ohh aahhh, and then tell them "actually i just made that up" if its a girl they will probably laugh and you might get laid someday

>>2882852
Both good suggestions, usually I just say "I don't know" and then it's awkward.

That's where you tell them you're not an accountant.

Yeah i never tell people unless they explicitly ask. They act like you are from another planet from that point on. I got a perfect score on the math sat, and told my co workers. Later on, i was fired because every night i was miscounting the amount of dollars in the cash register. All my coworkers assumed I lied about my SAT.

>>2882851
I prefer (60-2)(20-1)
>>mfw it doesn't matter anyway
>>mfw i have nofaec
>>mfw when i can't captcha

Also yeah, I dislike the pressure of people implying i'm a genius just because i'm in my field. Im just fairly above average (sometimes I may ask a stupid question in a course, but at the same time some people do come to me for help in those classes when a project is going on), and I know other people who have went to high class schools before coming to the college who step all over my face (I was the only person in Number Theory who had never seen a serious proof before, it was fairly rough, and I still feel the need to study proofs more). In the end its not going to matter because thats life, and the majority of people are not fucking Gauss/Euler/etc level of genius. You should just enjoy what you do. Thats why you're in your field, right? Thats why i'm in it.

most ppl dont know how to react to people studying math because they have no clue what math is about and have no clue why people study math and therefore relate to bad stereotypes in their heads.

>>2882851
I prefer (58*20) - 58

>>2882886
That does look a lot cleaner, yeah.

>Ph.D. in Mathematics
>141 IQ
>any job I want
>$300k starting

>>2882898
Yep, I just love doing mathematics.
I always get carried away playing around with random concepts rather than doing the university work I'm supposed to be doing though..

>>2882896
THIS. You just won this thread.

The first reaction is usually, "Oh, you're gonna be a teacher?" Because obviously that's all you can do with a math degree.

Funny story time now. I had a fellow grad student studying biostatistics tell me of a social gathering his wife attended. She was speaking with another woman, and the conversation turned to what their husbands did for a living. The grad student's wife didn't really understand his work with statistical genetics, and she couldn't explain what biostatistics was either. After pausing a few seconds, she said, "He...models things". To which the other lady replied, "Oh? What does he model?" After another brief pause, his wife replied, "Genes".

>>2882951
Was his name Peter?

>>2882907

>PhD in Mathematics with a focus on financial engineering
>Any Quant job I want
>literally 200k starting

i remember when i was in summer camp there was this kid i became friends with who was supposedly a math genius who was going to college at age 13. the counselors didn't believe him and i saw them working out a problem like 765 x 342, so i wrote it down and then i showed my friend and we worked it out on paper so when the counselor asks him 5 minutes later he had memorized the answer so when he did it they all shat bricks. he turned out to be a drug addict and did horribly in college

>>2882966
Nope, guy's name was Michael.

>>2882984
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/peter_donnelly_shows_how_stats_fool_juries.html

Start at 2:14

>>2882983
Learn Vedic mathematics or the Trachtenberg system. You don't have to be a genius to do mental arithmetic.

>>2882907
What jobs can you get with a degree in math?
Im interested, not trying to disprove you..

>>2883009
cool

Try answering with your area of interest instead. Fewer dumb questions if you say 'Number Theory' or 'Statistical Analysis' instead of just 'Maths'.

>>2882886
well I prefer (58 * 10) + (58*10) - 58
>mfw greentext

Carry a calculator with you and when they ask you that use your calculator and then show them the answer.

>B.S. in Math
>Any Job i want that pays less than 60k.
>mfw i dont have a job

>Studying Commerce, majoring in Marketing

Person:"So what do you study?"
Me: "Marketing"
Person: "Omg I hate you, you put ads everywhere"
Me: .......

>>2883080

>>2883080
Marketing is everything that is wrong in the world.

EVERYTHING.

>>2883121
Problem consumerfag?

>>2883080
I hope you die in a grease fire.

what do you think would happen if u fire all marketing people in the company you work for? hf producing stuff nobody knows that it exist

>>2883159
Sure, but marketing is still more or less propaganda and brainwashing of the ignorant masses.

It's reprehensible. You can justify it how you like, but you're still a terrible person for doing it.

>>2882785
True.It happens,and not only with Maths.
But i will tell you something;no moron can complete a Math degree.

>>2883080
Thanks for putting ads everywhere, asshole...

In Germany:
A: So, what do you study?
B: Maths.
A: I've never been good in maths.

>>2882785
Most people don't realize that math is simply logic. I think it has to do with the way it's taught in school. I dunno, it seems that almost 75% of the population where I live is complete math-o-phobes.

I always get wildly varied responses when I tell people I'm majoring in Economics.

1. "That's like money-math, right?" (non-college people)
2. "Gonna learn how to ruin the economy, huh?" (Liberal Arts Majors/Sociologists)
3. "Microeconomics 101 sure was hard." (stupid business majors)
4. "Ha ha, what a bullshit easymode major" (Engineers).
5. "Why are you learning all that Calculus and not actually applying it to something worthwhile?" (Hard Science Majors)
6. "Oh, I loved Freakonomics!" (anyone out of college who is not an economist)

>>2882901
>>2883050
I tend to use the (50+8)(10+9) or the other person's use of (60-2)(20-1) if i'm dealing with someone with poor knowledge in math because its not only correct but it helps strengthen the idea of multiplying two polynomials together, so they learn two things at once maybe (if x=20, so it would be (3x-2)(x-1), same concept is applied). Its a long shot but what the hell.

>>2883200
It's a little bit more than "just logic". Mathematical logic is mostly used when one wants to justify mathematical intuition without talking "pseudo intuitive" shit. It can also be useful to be able to transform formulas which occur.

>>2883207

Yeah I tell people Im an econ major and they are like

"Whoa you must be good with maths or something"
>in my head
"hehehehehehehehe"

No Americans are even worse.

They expect you to be Nash from Beautiful Mind, that everything you do is mathematically calculated and your vision is overlays with diagrams and graphs.

>>2883200
I forgot to say - you're totally right. Most students just learn to do routine calculations and aren't shown the beauty of mathematics.

>>2883251
Uh, you must be a bad mathematician. Because my vision is overlaid with numbers and graphs.

>>2883251
>he likes math when he wasn't even born with a natural HUD that displays his calculations (and health bar) at all times

>>2883251
Yeah, but that's more amusing than annoying.

>>2882973
>>2882907
Is that worth the opportunity cost of getting a PhD?

>>2883264
I can't see you! Inaccessible cardinal numbers and infinite graphs are blurring my vision. (Hecke algebras and algebraic varieties as well)

What do you do?
Getting a masters in physics.
HOLY SHIT YOU'RE CRAZY!
or
I HATE PHYSICS!

Once a girl gave me a positive response an I simply did not have a proper reaction, as I never imagined I'd hear that(bet she was lying though).
She then said physics was very logical, unlike maths.
Stupid engineers...

>Meet someone a my university for the first time
>Eventually gets to the conversation of what's your major.
me>"I'm a math major econ minor"
person>"Oh you must be really smart! I could never do that I practically failed college algebra (like high school algebra here) "
me>"Yeah I guess I just really like math and I'm good at it."
person>"So what do you want to do go into accounting?"

>>MFW

>>2883282

Here is the straight truth:

The average life time income of a high school graduate is a million dollars. The average life time income of a college graduate is 2 million dollars. And someone with an advanced degree beyond undergraduates degree is 2.5 million dollars.

Here are some problems
1. income varies a lot between majors.
2. income varies a lot within majors.

>>2883306
>>2883306

ME TOO. Im not even a math major!

People are like "So what are you going to do? Be an accountant?"

> mfw when accountancy is a completely different major and requires extra schooling

>>2883282
Considering that a real PhD program will pay you to research/teach for them while you complete your degree, what opportunity cost?

>>2883310
>>2883306
so what do you fuckers want to do?

>>2883319
Disregard females, acquire currency

>>2883316
That pay is still less than an early career.

>>2883207

God econ classes are so fucking easy at my University (One of the Big Ten universities). It's not the easiest but I seriously don't understand how people fail these classes in the slightest.

I don't know what it is with fucking math. People hate it.

I go to community college for right now so maybe my testimony isn't really valid but.. I have literally met 3 or 4 other people who were above Math40 classes (literally remedial, 6th grade math). What is it about math and people fucking hating it?

>>2883324
If you gain currency, females follow.

>>2883325
>implying you can start a career in this economy

>>2883319

I want to get involved with operations in some kind of major company. I have two relatives who work in operations of car companies. It seems like a cool idea worrying about efficiency, design, and demand and things like that.

Accounting and finance are interesting too, Ive had to take those classes, but I would die if I had to stare at disembodied numbers all day.

>I'm a third year pharmacologist.
What's that?
>Drug science.
What have you guys got against people smoking weed?
>mfw

>>2883335

I dont have a genuine crying face image. Im sorry to hear that.

;_;

>>2883335

A living nightmare I tell you. Been out of work for over a year now. >_>

>>2883346
Do you take more (legal) drugs than you did before studying pharmacology? Has your outlook on pills changed?

>financial engineering
lol, wtf?
build banks?

>>2883196
same experience, the thing what really annoys me is when people try to "compensate" that by finding areas where i must be bad, like social skills, sports or the arts or i have some hidden serious mental disability.

>>2883346

Do any of your peers attempt to make illegal drugs? Do you take more illegal drugs now that you study pharmacology?

>It's as if they think that because I'm studying maths that my brain operates on a whole other level to theirs
you don't?

>>2883166
true it is manipulation, the thing is that we as humans do it all the time to each other, even small children manipulate their parents

also if you date somebody or you have a job interview you are pretty much doing marketing for yourself

>>2883379
I doubt he knows how to make drugs, he's not a chemist. He probably knows which drugs to take. and how they'll affect him

Studying law at uni.
Person: So, what do you study?
Me: Law.
Person: OMG you must know a lot of paragraphs, last week I had this car accident...it wasn't my fault, right?
Me:.........

I think marketing is horrible. But it exists because marketers are valuable to companies. If we want to live in a world without marketing, we ourselves need to become better people above the influence of shitty marketing campaigns.

With that said I only have a partial idea of what marketing it. I know its more than advertising. It also has to do with predicting demand and anticipating the dollar value of certain markets etc. Im going to have to take a marketing class eventually.

>>2883303
uh
Come to think of it 1 million extra dollars throughout a lifetime doesn't seem to be that great of a bonus

lol yeah being good at math doesn't mean we can crunch numbers in our head. That's a separate skill.

>>2883407
what? who are you talking to?

>>2883409

If it costs you 15,000 for a four year education. And lets just pretend you have 50 years of income. Thats an extra 18,500 dollars a year.

But again, this is average among all majors. And the correlation between income and education isnt that strong.

Well there must some weird thing going on in your brains to make you good at math.
The vast majority suck at it
Myself included

>>2883414

All you people talking about marketing.

Nobody in particular.

>>2883414
You have no idea, do you?
Come on man...

>>2883377
I think that "envy" isn't the whole truth nowadays. These stereotypes are mostly used in movies or novels which use them because it's a tradition to do that. Maybe antecedent these models arose from envy but nowadays it just has become a tradition.

>>2883390
No, I personally believe that the majority of people have the ability to understand maths, even at a higher level.
They just fell behind at an early stage and because mathematics constantly keeps building on previous ideas they would have lost touch with it rather rapidly.

>>2883433
Well that would explain Asian people...

>>2883360
Legal drugs? Not really. Illegal drugs, neither.

Though I have developed more of a respect for drugs in general and how fucking ridiculously complex biology gets when you go to the bleeding edge of it all.

My outlook of pills though is really far to nuanced to go into any great depth, but I will say they're up there with the most awesome things I can imagine. I mean, you're taking this tiny molecule into your body to alter some aspect of it and the vast swaths of research that have gone into it. It's countless interaction with everything else that isn't it's target, it's journey about the body and the intricacies and neatness of how it even exerts it's effect does fucking blow my mind.

>>2883379
Like >>2883396 says, I'm not a chemist and don't have any in my close circles. Though I am interested in getting into clandestine chemistry just as a hobby. It's the interactions of the drugs that we focus on.

>>2883421
this wierd thing going on is actually paying attention in school. people ignorant about mathmatics are out of luck if they get screwed over irl because they cant do even simple math.

>>2883467
Hey I can do math
I'm just having a hard time in trig...

>What's your Major?
>Actuarial Science
>What's tha-
>Calculating risk, risk management
>Oh that's pretty co-
>Nope, I do soulless math for insurance companies all day.
>Oh well at lea-
>I'll make money with relative ease, and put my math talent to work.
>That's go-
>I fucking hate people in finances, but I guess I'm now one of them.
>...

>>2883433
School maths also entraps students to use wrong intuitive thinking. Ask, for example, a high school student how he would define the continuity of a function.

>>2883498
Shit sucks pal, but the question is:
>why the fuck did you chose to do it?

>>2883466
How does it feel when you pour thousands of manhours into a pill that ends up being just as effective as placebo?

>>2883467
most people don't like maths because maths is stereotypically hard, boring and nerdy and thus they don't like it because it's boring, can't do it because it's hard and don't want to be seen doing it because it's nerdy

by the time they have grown out of this phase they believe it because they are 18 and still doing basic pre-calc algebra, finding it hard because they didn't learn the basics because it's nerdy and thus find it hard

>>2883498
i heart that actuaries have the highest job satisfaction, but they make shit money ($40-50k, not bad for just a B.S., but engineering would have been better)

>>2883504
Long story short I dicked around too long and wasted too much of my parents' money already, so I need something quick, easy, and profitable so I can pay back my debt and pay my own bills.

Maybe in 10 years I'll save up some money and go into something I actually love.

>>2883527

Thats weird, I thought part of why being an actuary is so cool is because you get paid a lot.

Not a lot of people can do math as well as actuaries.
Not everyone who can do math can apply it so well like actuaries can
Not everyone who can do either of the above want to spent all day doing calculations

Actuaries get treated well, and paid well I thought.

>>2883527
That's nonsense, I'm looking at 70k starting.

Pic related, software engineer bumped up from previous years because of Facebook/Google/Apple competition.

Look, 2*58=116, so 19*58=1102. It's not Britain's fault you're not good at math.

>>2883509
Trying to dig out one of my lectures with an photo of the team sat on top of the documentation required to be submitted to the FDA for a single drug. This was before it was all digitalised, absolute mountains of boxes of paper that takes upwards of a year for the FDA to read through and ultimately approve.
>they rejected it
>company was counting on approval
>bankruptcy
>became a professor

>>2883553
>biologist
>number 7 in salary

>>2883558
Psst, I think OP has long since gone to bed...

>>2883553
>mathematicians making 80k
problem, recession?

>>2883567
It's not ranked by average salary.

How can you not figure out in your head what 58 * 19 is? This would be my thought process:

58 * 20 = 116 * 10 = 1160
1160 - 58 = 1102

Easy.

>>2883581
This.

>>2883568
I'm still here, 4am now.
Will probably go soon though.
I find it amusing how some people think that the fact that I find people asking me multiplication problems for no apparent reason annoying means that I cannot solve them.

>>2883553
>1-5: computer and math
>6-10: Historian, Meteorologist, Audiologist

Wut?

>>2883553
Haha what. Can't belive this.

>>2883553
I call shenanigans

>>2883581
>>2883604
Oh look. Samefag doesn't know how to read.

Math/econ double major here, when people ask I just say math because it makes me feel smarter, because I almost always have the exact same reaction of "omg you must be really smart cuz I suck at math".

Also mathematical finance masterrace for grad school reporting in.

>>2883833
Figured out how to ruin the world economy for your benefit yet?

>>2882809
Because not everyone sat in class all day memorizing useless bullshit.

We true scientists, were thinking about math and the universe.

>>2883502
Duh! a graph is continuous if you don't have to lift youre pencil when you draw it! i think i would know... Im in ap calculus bc.

>>2883502
defined for all values of x in that domain interval?

>>2884730
You would know how to do a simple arithmetic problem if you stopped relying on the calculator for everything

Studying geography at uni.
Person: So, what do you study?
Me: geography.
Person: Nice. you can give me directions to such and such a place ?
Me: ..........

>>2885699
>mfw I don't know what a geography major studies
couple of friends are geophysicists, but then what is left for geography majors?

1102.

Come on, I did *political feminism* at university and could still do that in my head. I should expect math folk to at least be able to do their times tables!

Person: So, what do you study?
Me: Engineering
Person: Omg you are fucking awesome

everythingwentbetterthanexpected.png

ausbro here
>what are you studying?
mathematics
>why? to become a teacher?
no, i want to work in industrial logistics / operations research
>oh... cool...

got offered a research position at the uni and i haven't even finished my degree yet...

Oh god, yes OP. It's so infuriating, people really do think that people who study mathematics = human calculators.

>Is it just people in the UK who are like this?
Nope, they do the same thing in Greece.

We need more popular faces for mathematics...
Marcus du Sautoy is doing a good job of educating, but in general it's only the people who are interested in maths in the first place who watch his docs.
Whereas things like Brian Cox's Wonder of the Universe everyone will watch..
Won't even give anything even remotely mathematically sounding a chance.

>>2885723

Troll/10

Fresh out of high school, going to university for physics

Person: So, what are you majoring in?
Me: Physics
Person: Omg you must be really really smart
Me: Uh, yeah, sure

Such was every family get-together for about a year or so.

4 years later I actually feel smart, but I don't get that anymore. Feels indifferent.

>>2885753

There is no popular face because it is not popular. Brian Cox is popular because people are interested in the universe and what goes on there, they just don't want to get a degree in physics to be able to understand it.

>"So you're studying maths?"
>"Yep"
>"I wasn't talking to you. Upsize my fries and don't put any ice in my diet Coke, slave."

>>2883498
Stochastic calculus, time series analysis, GLMMs, Bayesian inference are all branches that can be moved to any field.

The theory you learn can be applied to other areas one day :)

(Not an actuary, but I do statistics. I assume that's alot of what you do.)

In relation to OPs post, I used to get the same reply in my maths undrgrad.
Now when I tell people I'm a statistician some think I look at tackle percentages for football players...

>>2885767
The only reason it's not popular is because of all the misperceptions, it's really not hard to get someone who claims to "hate maths" interested in it.
Obviously they aren't going to go on and get a degree in it, but it helps remove some of their false views on it.
I've had interesting mathematical conversations with many self-proclaimed mathophobes, and they were shocked when I actually told them that it was maths we had been discussing.

>>2885783
are you an introverted statistician or an extroverted one?
e.g. do you look at your own shoes or the other persons when you are speaking to them?

>>2885789

cute :)
....I look at the ground in between -_-

Stop your bitching OP, it could be a lot worse.

"So, what do you study?"

"Computer Science"

Reaction A: (blank stare)...

Reaction B: "Well, my internet is slow, how do I fix it?"

>>2885789

i look them in the eye and finish like a boss

>>2885810
Reaction B reminded me of this.

OP here, am back after sleep.
Surprised this is still going, it's been almost 12 hours now.

Switch to CS.
Enter a world of applied discrete math with no hard computations.
Be happy.

people always disapprove when i tell them i'm doing chemistry, and start asking me why i am polluting the world and creating poison etc

I get what you are saying.. but can you answer the question in seconds by calculating it in your head?

I can... and I used a math trick to learn how to do this. Not a hard math trick - but one that allows me to do something practical like instantly calculating products like that in my head.

Person: So, what do you study?
Me: Mechanical Engineering
Person: Nice. You can build me a helicopter, okay?
Me: ..........

Person: so what do you study?
Me: computer science
Person: really? Can you fix my computer?
Me: .........

(Alternate ending)
Me: I sure can. *install debian*

>>2886511

Stop trying to transmute things into gold!

^_^

>What are you studying
Architecture
>Wow you must be really good with perspective physics and blah blah shitI don't really care about.
Erm, not really no.
>The why are you studying architecture?
Because I have absolutely nothing else better to do with my life right now, and since I passed the entrance exam and got Architecture as my first option in my aptitude test I figured "Why the fuck not?" but let me tell you that I do not like it, I do not care of it, and I'm thinking of switching to Integral Design minoring in art because I really don't give a fuck about this shit, I just wanted an excuse to not have a shitty job or get kicked out of my house by my parents.
>Then why the fuck are you in college?
Didn't you just hear me? I have nothing better to do and it's the best option for me right now.
Doesn't mean that I have to like it.

>>2886608
you sound happy and fulfilled

Good tier medicfag reporting in.
Also:
>mfw I never ever have this problem

>>2886652
>Good tier
>Good
>I don't know whether thats a typo of God tier or you actually know your place under actual sciences

>>2886652
enjoy free healthcare

>>2886672
same guy here.
>mfw everyone in my country has free healthcare.

I feel you OP, happened to me the other day (they asked the square root of 1264). Fuck you, I'm not majoring in Being a Calculator.

Studying Chemistry at uni.
Person: So, what do you study?
Me: Chemistry.
Person: Omg can you get me sum drugs?
Me: ........

FML

lol, IT'S JUST LIKE IN BREAKING BAD

>>2882785
>mfw OP can't multiply two two-digit numbers in his head in a reasonable amount of time

recaptcha: activate tools

Normal math dude:
Oh, it's mostly abstract reasoning and looking at relationships, I don't think I'm all that talented but it interests me, speaking of relationships are you single?

/sci/fag math dude:
*thinking WTF DO YOU THINK I AM A CALCULATOR? JEEZ YOU PEOPLE ANNOY ME SO MUCH. MATHS IS A SCIENCE. STOP BOTHERING ME*
....uhhh I don't know
*face turns red, continue wallowing in silent frustration*

op confirmed for autist who can't discern when people are attempting banter

>>2886692
Just out of interest, how would one go about calculating the square root of 1264 manually (paper allowed)?

>MATHS IS A SCIENCE
2/10

>>2886818
You can just use a numerical method for one. Choose a nearby perfect square to get a starting point. Add a digit, make sure it's square is the highest digit below the correct answer. Then add another digit and do the same.

There might be another method but I can't remember it off the top of my head.

>>2882785
58*19
= 58*20 - 58 (takes less than 0.5sec)
= 1160 -58 (takes less than 2sec)
= 1102 (takes less than 0.1sec)
im not fast at all and still able to tell the ans in 3sec

>OP Studying maths at uni.
u mad?

>>2886561

HAHAH yeah get that all the time too.

My response: No but I can program it to flash fractal hypnotize your cat and then brainwash kitty into murdering you in your sleep...

>>2886831
Adding digits? What do you mean? Can you show me? You don't have to use an advanced example.

I am thinking that you might possibly be talking about substituting numbers?

As in, solve sqrt(20). You then start by 5^2, which is 25, and 4^2, which is 16, and you know that sqrt(20) is somewhere between 4 and 5. Is this what you mean?

>>2886840
>>2886791
Lrn2read you faggots, OP can obviously do basic arithmetic, he's just pissed that most people have a retarded impression of what mathematicians do for a living

Just call it math ffs. Whenever you people say "maths" you sound so childish.

The board is called Science & Math, not maths.

>>2886850
memorize the SQRTs which are integers. If anyone asks you casually about any other make up some random number with a lot of decimals.

>>2886866
Actually a person asking this question can do simple arithmetic by using a calculator. They are asking if the math d00d can do it in their head in seconds like someone they saw on tv or something.

Studying political science often makes people assume you want to become a politician. This is when I tell them that I'm pretty sure I don't want to get involved in those kind of crap and that I'm really studying toward poverty.

Feels ambiguous, man.

>>2886883
OP is a UKfag, and we don't call it "math" on this side of the Atlantic.

>>2886895

>studying toward poverty

you mean you're studying how to help the poor, or you're studying only to inevitably become poor?

>>2882785

lol I'm 3rd year math student and I dont know my multiplication tables

I bet you can't even calculate the air speed velocity of an unlaiden swallow. Pfft, math

>>2886909
Both seem likely, but hopefully the former. I meant the latter when I said that though.

>>2883553

how I can tell that picture is bullshit:

Historians: 60K + starting

>>2886919
>he thinks he can calculate it without knowing whether its European or African swallow

>>2886883
Agreed.

Maths just sounds so awkward to say in conversation and I've met those European mathematicians at university. They all say "math" just like the American mathematicians and that 170 iq kid.

They only thing I noticed they do different is that they used "." and "," differently from here.

>>2886962
I don't know about Europe but here in Australia no one would be caught saying 'math'. You suggest that 'maths' doesn't flow in natural language, but I'd suggest that you're just not accustomed to it. I know math certainly doesn't sound right to me, not right at all.

>>2886850
his method sucks, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methods_of_computing_square_roots#Babylonian_method

Amerifags mad because they don't know how to say Maths :(

>>2886992
Well Australians don't really contribute much to mathematics anyway (your chinks don't count).

>>2887041
We say math here in Canada too. All the Asian immigrants and Asians back in their home country say math. Everyone at MIT says math. This board is called "Science & Math" Why you so upset, rest of the world?

Because they're idiots, go figure.

>>2882785
Because average Joe off the street doesn't have a fucking clue what Maths actually is, and has never heard of things like calculus before.

Its such a shame that so many people will go through life never knowing the joys of Mathematics or Physics or any of the sciences, its an entirely different world to what they know, its a different way of thinking. They're missing out by thinking Maths is just sitting there doing 17 * 15 all day. Its defined and created out entire world. They sit there on their iPhones and don't have a clue of the Maths or knowledge that was required to make it or their shitty apps.

Yes I mad, I do Physics and people always think that it must be insanely difficult, boring, and have no relevance to real life.

Fuck them a Physicist designed the MRI scanner that saves their life one day do they think a computer did it or sometjhing?

>>2887051
>mathematics anyway (your chinks don't count).

They're just here for multiplication, anyway.

>>2887041
That's Amerifuckyeah to you buddy

>>2887061

Because Asians can speak good English ;P
and this board is American ;)
Just because you forget to say your 's' at the end, no need to be so mad! :)

>>2887089

Oy mate, don't you have a McDonalds to rape and pillage, eh?

"Math" is grammatically correct, but who fucking cares.

>>2886088

You've completely misunderstood what Maths is almost on the scale of the retards in the general public.

He doesn't do it to do 'easy discrete calculations', Maths is mre than that

>>2882785
>>2882785
Hollywood:
Pi..
Rain Man..
idk man americans are dumb, they assume so much shit.

>>2886883

Fuck off Americunt.

Mathematics = Maths.

Do you call it 'Mathematic' or some shit? No.

>>2887145
You don't abbreviate a word and leave the last letter on unless you're a retard.

>>2887105
Mathematics contracts to maths for the same reason that physical sciences is contracted to physics rather than physic. (protip: it's not singular)

>>2887098

Don't you have a dentist to see about cleaning all the tarter sauce and tea stains from your rotting teeth

>>2887155
x

>>2883207
Why are you learning all that calculus and not applying it to something worthwhile?

The shortened form “maths” makes sense because the word is still a plural noun and so should still have the “s” on the end.

It’s sometimes surprising how much argument and disagreement small differences such as that single letter can make.

>>2887155
Are you fucking stupid? Mathematics is singular, like politics, like physics, like kinematics, and so on. Europeans are too used to speaking their dirt languages to understand American properly.

>>2887175
>look in dictionary
>mathematics: plural noun
>mfw

>>2887186
What dictionary are you using? Mathematics is very very rarely used with a plural verb, you never a singular version, and the term refers to a single body of work.

>>2887175
>Europeans are too used to speaking their dirt languages to understand American properly.
>American
>mfw

>>2887186

mathematics/maθəˈmatɪks/
▶plural noun [usu. treated as sing.]

>>2887197
Oxford English Dictionary ofc.
They are all plural nouns, economics, politics etc, they are just never contracted.

You can't just cut a plural word in the middle to abbreviate it but then move the s to the abbreviation.

It creates a whole new class of possible ambiguous words. What if there is a full length word that ends in s similar to the abbreviation?

>>2887212
>Bicycle
>Bike
>Bicycles
>Bikes

I believe you can, and if you didn't it wouldn't make sense.

>>2887212
You can do that, e.g. diff eq's.
What you can't do is take a limited case of plural uses of a word and extend it to abbreviate the singular version in a plural way.

>>2887212
>You can't just cut a plural word in the middle to abbreviate it but then move the s to the abbreviation.

No, except for the fact that it is done in English all the fucking time.

I thought brits were good at sarcasm

I don't give a FUCK what you call it and neither should anyone else.
It's the same damn thing, and our shared interest should unite us not divide us.
It's one letter, you guys could be having a healthy discussion about the subject itself and maybe even playing around with some ideas but instead you are having a pissfit over the etymology of a word.

Calling yourselves /sci/entists...
You should be ashamed.

OP here requesting that all you aspie grammar nazis evacuate the thread.

>>2882792
they can do np you say?

Captcha: argedu Firm

Person: so what do you study?
Me: English Grammar.
Person: Then you can tell me if it is math or maths?
Me: .........

>>2882871

Say "I don't care" in a blasé manner. They usually get the idea that that's not what it's about.