/sci/ - Science & Math

This is the true divinity of nature. Thanks, OP.

Arvo Part's music makes me want to cry every time

fucking comments

Watching, bumping.

Thank you for this OP.

The computer algorithm part made me cry with happiness.

This video may have changed my life in some way.

>>2863134
> Mfw my high-school CS prof got us to watch something similar as homework.

Glorious.

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Hail the glorious BBC, that fucking costs me £135 a year...

It blew me away, even though the video held nothing new to me.

ok so they are saying the way cells are built. they follow mathmatics. now they is telling my feble mind that some thing intelligent encoded dna or what ever so the cell would grow built that way.

but i'm a dumbfag so i could be misunderstanding it.

Fucking awesome video!!

I have a much deeper respect for Conway's game of life

Bump.

How does chaos theory effect the theory of the universe dieing from heat death/maximum entropy?

I would think it's impossible for them both to be true, or can they? IMO heat death is just a theory, but chaos is a verifiable fact, it's all around us. Which means if only one theory can be true then it's chaos theory. Wouldn't this be proof that we're living in a closed universe?

>>2866805
wrong pic

>>2866805
>heat death is just a theory
>just a theory

Oh you.

thanx OP, good way to unwind from finals studying... but i have to admit i was shitting bricks on the walking simulators.... cause, well, sky-net

Half way through
>why am I watching this, I already know most of this shit

Ending
>Fucking glorious

>mfw i always thought if i ever wanted to design a universe, i'd set some initial conditions and just let it run, and this video confirmed my theory

>see op's pic

OH GOD GET IT OUT OF ME

Fuck yes. 36 minutes in, the music in the background by Autechre.

Fuck awesome electronic duo from Manchester, England

>yfw matrix is real and some outside intelligence is feeding on our free will
>yfw neo is order and agent smith is chaos
>yfw duality of the universe is real and most religious philosophies contain duality(Ying Yang,David Star,Freemasons,Zoroastrians,Ancient Egypt,Mayan Hunabku)

This is fucking awesome bumping cus watching

>>2867199
This.

And this confirmed by hypothesis that evolution is basically driven by math.

>female hormones
>destroy rational thought
>get depressed
>an hero

>said to cure homosexuality.. lol no that's so backwards.

>>2868556

>yfw this universe is a simulation run by future humans to study their own history
>yfw we will eventually reach that point as well and create an offspring universe of our own to study
>yfw infinite recursion

>>2868764
THE WHOLE UNIVERSE IS A GIANT MINDFUCK

>>2868764
> Your face when you realize that the most efficient simulation of a system is always the system itself, constructed in full, and that no system can ever simulate anything more complex than itself, and thus if we are a simulation then we are not a simulation of the real world, because that would require more computational power than exists in said real world.

> Captcha: theologian endredi

>>2868791

>no system can ever simulate anything more complex than itself

Yet.

Or it's a simplifying recursion. Eventually we'll have sentient quarks simulating a small region of quantum oscillations.

>>2868821
Complexity is directly related to processing power. Binary states can represent a 1 or 0, but actually simulating something requires overhead to the simulation. A quark could not simulate a quark because quarks have complex behavior, but a quark is a quark itself.

A system that can process something more complex than itself has infinite processing power, which is essentially nonsensical. Information theory and thermodynamics are extremely closely linked.

>>2868842

I know dude, quit being so serious.

>>2868791
Not true.

A system can potentially simulate something more complex than itself, but not at the same speed as the original.

Sure, if you have a 16-bit program, it's impossible to simulate that perfectly on an 8-bit system. But you can take any turing-complete system and run it on a (admittedly "infinitely long") strip of tape and a read/write head.

>>2868842
Or infinite memory capacity. Of course, if we're a simulation in somebody else's universe, those rules might not apply in the 'real' one...

Subjects 192g4:4, 192a3:4, 191d7:4 and 192k2:4 display unacceptable thought patterns that may compromise experiment.

Deletion forthcoming.

>>2863134
mindfuck my ass, read the wikipedia articles about turing and his work.

I saw it long ago and it was a pleasure, thanks for reminding

mfw the universe has no beggining or end

>>2868939

*beginning

Thank you! I love this.

>>2868933

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Y5bXdx5UrE

A challenger appears

>the schawrzschild proton

nope

I have an idea, lets create a theory that contradicts all modern theorys AND doesnt fit experimental data, misrepresent our findings and then accuse mainstream science from hiding the truth.

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>mfw when I hear john cage's Sonata IX

>>2868551
i just discovered them, they´re amazing. check out portishead, I think you´ll like that too

@21:50

Prep Gwarlek 3B by Aphex Twin. Nice.

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It seems someone has dedicated his life to bumping this thread every few hours, i approve of this.

Watched this last night. Quite mindfucking.

WHY DOES THE BBC ALWAYS MAKE GOOD SCIENCE DOCUMENTARIES?

why are the elements that make up humans "embarrassingly" common? is anyone embarrassed?

>>2875050
British English

>>2875050

I'd kinda hoped for something a little more special to set me apart from all the other matter.

I can't bear the thought of being so mundane. I drink heavy water sometimes, but it's not enough.

I'm considering a technetium implant, to show that I'm special on the inside.

>>2875050
christfags are, we not special guise :'((

>>2875060
ah yes they are made of 'adam'-antium

lol it's funny to hear a british guy say 'chutzpah' at around 8:00

>>2875050
It was just a throwaway comment because uneducated people might think we have to be made of something special or different. Not the main point of the documentary.

>>2875072
lol pic related; it's a christian

>>2875081
really? because i thought it was about how that british guy was embarrassed about what he was made out of

>>2875087

chuckled heartily

nice one, GB... let's make one of the greatest mathematical geniuses of all time take female hormones to cure him of his homosexuality.

lol christianity strikes agian

>>2875116
for the record, it wasn't to "cure" him. it was just to chemically castrate him so he would engage in any more homosex

>>2875125
*wouldn't

>>2875125
well that would be a cure then, wouldn't it?

>>2875134
well, it certainly wouldn't make him heterosexual, just asexual. I guess if asexuality is a cured state of homosexuality, then yes.

>>2875141
that's why MtF transgendered take progesterone in addition to Finasteride (anti-androgen) and a form of estrogen

>>2875093
=]

>drove a potential god tier scientist into suicide because he was gay
GODFUCKINGDAMNIT FUCKTHISSHIT

BTW Gordon Brown officially apologised for the way that Alan Turing was treated for being gay in 2009.

>>2875203
>the father of computer science
>only potentially god tier

I had a wank when the Mandelbrot came.

It's not a "mind fuck", as you say, but it is quite interesting. I went into this video and already knew most of what it discussed, but it was quite an interesting watch. Thanks for sharing.

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Awesome video. Now I'm interested in nonlinear dynamics again. (I'm kind of looking for a focus right now.)

>>2875203
Don't forget they chemically castrated him, only because his other choice was death.

such a wonderful world we live in

Philip Glass at 15.

mfw

this has been non-404'd for about three days now

good job

>approximately 13:00 to 15:00

Goddammit BritChristfags, you've ruined everything. Great fucking job.

Eye-opening.

Also,
>>2863339
>>2868551
>>2877921
I'm glad to see people on /sci/ like good music.

>>2878109
Americans would have done the same thing.

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This is a really good, clear explanation too.
http://www.ted.com/talks/david_christian_big_history.html

^^^ It's not that long

Fucking excellent.

Wait what?

Is it a scientific fact that estrogen destroys rationality?

I'm 20 minutes in.

Score is 2 right now. How many more great men will be crushed under the heel of religion and the state?

Retarded commenters, though what more can you expect from youtube.

i just watched this and it was great, so i bump so more can enjoy.

>>2878500
I don't doubt that that would've be a possibility. I'd be equally, if not more, disappointed, as I happen to live there.

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Only saw some of the first ten minutes and last fifteen minutes but let me get this straight.

Everything is chaos but it is driven by the concept of evolution by natural selection. When they did those computer simulations and the computers began acting upon themselves and doing things programmers could not possibly do, it is because they evolved from what they originally started with and increasing became complex and dare I say, intelligent.

Well, that's great. However... the same way the computer programmers made the avatars and let them grow, could easily be how we were created. Something, be it a computer programmer or what have you, has to first create these avatars.

So in the end...is the take home message:

>Something must've started life as we know it along with everything else and then that entity left it alone. Slowly, whatever he created began to evolve into a far more complex cluster of cells which is what we know as humans. God created us and is using us a simulation ?

>>2887005

I wondered that too, but if it is, it's silly. Obviously it's not impossible for a person to recreate a natural phenomenon without implying that the natural phenomenon can only be created by that human.

>>2877888
oh christ...

>>2887005

>God created us and is using us a simulation ?

Obviously, you must find physical evidence to see if it answers your question. Come back to us when you have proven the existence of God.

Holy fuck, this thread's 4 days old…

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>>2887005
Or..

Or maybe there have been tons of universes, all with different cosmological parameters. And we just happen to be in one with the right parameters because we can only exist in one with the right stuff.

God isn't the answer to everything, you know.

>>2890488
Douglas Adams had a quote to this effect.

>This is rather as if you imagine a puddle waking up one morning and thinking, ‘This is an interesting world I find myself in – an interesting hole I find myself in – fits me rather neatly, doesn’t it? In fact it fits me staggeringly well, must have been made to have me in it!’

>>2890662
The second part of the quote is worth posting too, because it illustrates what's DANGEROUS about the idea.

"This is such a powerful idea that as the sun rises in the sky and the air heats up and as, gradually, the puddle gets smaller and smaller, it's still frantically hanging on to the notion that everything's going to be all right, because this world was meant to have him in it, was built to have him in it; so the moment he disappears catches him rather by surprise. I think this may be something we need to be on the watch out for."

bumping because great documentary

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I've seen this thread every day for the last week or so. Let it die.

>>2890488

U pantheist?

>>2875030

b/c they make it so idiots like me can understand it.

why the fuck is this thread still here

>>2875023
this

british tv is superior to all

Wow!

Gee the the mother fucking whizz!

>>2897075


Gee whizz.

I've seen this thread every day for the last week or so. Let it live!

the comment at the begging of the video bug me when he says.

"in fact i've estimated that the elements that make up the average human cost only a few pounds."

great way to cheapen all life jerk off >:(

This thread has been going for almost a week

>>2898130
Don't be so silly.

How much does a block of marble cost compared to a masterwork sculpture? How much does paint cost compared to a masterpiece painting?

>>2863134

That was beautiful and, well, just rings true.

It amazes me how from simple observations (ie the viewing of simple patters in nature; in trees, in the furs of animals, in the formations of galxies) can lead us to more profound and thoughtful ideas about our universe, about our world, about us.

I think we all have the ability to see these things but most humans always look to something outside of themselves to explain things. Sometimes the answers are truly just in front of our noses.

We have to be more open to these things. In history, we tend to scoff at those who makes these simple observations (ie continental drift theory and some of the examples in the video in the OP).

Horray for those who persevere and in the end knowledge will set us free!

>>2898130

Carl Sagan says the same thing in en episode of Cosmos, but then continues to say that it's the way those elements work together that makes life so invaluable.

>>2863134

Chaos Theory you say?

>>2903664

Go to bed, Ian.

I saw this thread last week. Holy crap.

>See date of thread
>04/10/11
>Thread has been alive for 8 days
>8 fucking days!

Holy shit this board is slow.

>>2903664
Kaos Theory, you say?

I posted another thread about the latest Jim Al-Khalili doc "Everything and Nothing"

>>2907155

Everyone in this thread should watch it. Really absorbing stuff.

It seems someone has dedicated his life to bumping this thread every few hours, i approve of this.

>>2905280

have you ever been to /3/? there are threads there that are 6 months old.

>>2863134
What really annoys me is that the person who has posted the video has little understanding of how courts judge "fair use", how youtube is judged in light of §105-§107 and, most importantly of all, that it is British made by the BBC and all that entails.

Cool series though; saw them all on BBC4 when they first came about, thanks to being a Britfag.

Could someone give a summary of that program?

>>2908800
simple math create not-so-simple systems

Welcome back to page 0.

>>2863134
Gotta love bbc.

Awesome shit

Back to the front page you sexy piece of a thread

So why do you think a being not comprehendable by us is impossible?

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>>2912602
It doesn't work that way.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell's_teapot

For every one of you who blamed Britain for doing whatever it did to Turing, I think you should be thanking instead. Remember the butterfly effect ? Should Turing continue his studies, we most probably wouldn't be here today..

Also, should Hitler not kill the jews, or any other 'atrocity' you can think of blaming shouldn't have happened, we most likely wouldn't be here :)

Mindfucking ? Maybe..

>>2914808

>he thinks I value my existence over the strong possibility that technology would have been significantly advanced

Seriously, if I my inexistence could somehow have made us look the other way about Turing's sexual preferences, so be it. Easy enough to say, as those that don't exist can't care about not existing.

>>2914808
idiocy, definitely.

>>2914808
What? I didn't "ask" to exist, I just so happened to do so. Whether or not it was a result of Turing is irrelevant, for if it were and I did not exist, it really wouldn't matter to the not-me. Though we are all selfishly-wired, I would not be so audacious to claim that my existence (so far) is more important than what Turing may have been able to uncover.

This thread is seriously still going?

my science OP, amazing find

I watched the original video in this thread and found it pretty fucking awesome, so I'm going to give this thread a bump.

Soon this thread will reach 20 days.

Back to the front page!

This thread is what /sci/ is all about, it's fucking awesome that it survived long enough for me to see it.

>>2916052
I just finished reading Chaos by Gleick and they use mostly the same format.

Still a good one. Now I'm workin' on the actual math, which may or may not work well.

>>2916304

....it's only at 10

>>2916380
books on the acutal math?

>>2916978
Yes. The other day I read a review for:
The Information: A history a Theory a Flood.

Normally I ignore amazon recommendations, but amazon included Chaos by James Gleick and Nonlinear Dynamics And Chaos by Steven H. Strogatz

So I bought them also. I figured I need to revisit calculus while sober and learn some new things.

>scientist w/a job

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