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Which fact about the natural world do you consider to be the most mindblowing?

>> No.2804051

how big my dick is

>> No.2804058

Probably the whole...

>mental construct of sensations of reality /= reality

>> No.2804064

e^{i \pi} + 1 = 0\

>> No.2804069

Time dilation. Crazy shit.

Quantum tunneling's a close second, though.

>> No.2804079

Quantum computers.
I mean a computer that runs off of a string of atoms.

>> No.2804087

that sentience can assemble itself from atoms

>> No.2804091

>>2804064
e in general. I mean, e as a number and how it makes all math its bitch is just frightening.

>> No.2804100

>>2804064
Does i show up in the natural world?

>> No.2804104

God

>> No.2804108

Existence itself

>> No.2804113

Identity is the most mindblowing thing to me, the other shit is cool but identity and self awareness and feeling like I'm "me" blows the fuck out of my mind.

>> No.2804114

>>2804100
>>2804100

only in your imagination

>> No.2804115

The purpose of sperm arent to impregnate women, but to gaurd and patrol her vagina from the sperm of other men.

Sperm Wars Yo. Awesome Book.

>> No.2804131

Probably the fact that we're naturally self-absorbed and sort of think we're the center of the universe, but we're just one person out of so, so many. It's just crazy how insignificant we are in the grand scheme of the world, but in our minds we're so important.

>> No.2804161

>>2804115
Of some sperm, not all sperm.

Is that really the most mindblowing thing? The double slit experiment? Special relativity? A platypus? Those are all a hell of alot more un-intuitively interesting

>> No.2804208

>>2804161

I think sexual information is the coolest because, I think its fundamental to human beings. Sperm Competition is an ugly idea no one would publically think about or talk about, because it implies vile things about human beings. I think its amazing, because its not talked about, researched, or believe BECAUSE its evil. I think thats just fascinating.

>> No.2804221

>>2804087
This. The fact that I am here, right now, typing this, because of natural processes that assembled me over billions of years, and the fact that my brain is still only particles operating on basic physical principals.

>> No.2804232

everything observable can be explained as a math equation

>> No.2804270

The conscious is the most amazing thing, I love space but Peter Russel gave an amazing lecture on this... Its long but enlightening
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7799171063626430789#

>> No.2804357

>>2804232
that isnt true at all
not every idea can be expressed in a mathematical fashion
see: goedel's incompleteness theorem

>> No.2804379

>>2804232

But that's just because math is the middle man between ordinary words and logics. Kinda like chemistry in science.

>> No.2804402

Neurologists. It's just mind-blowing that they are attempting to be a self-knowing system.

How can it even fit inside itself?

>> No.2804406

>>2804044
The apparent tautology that it exists at all.

>> No.2804556

Quantum Super Position blew my fucking mind when I first read about it

>> No.2806963

That there may be an infinite number of universities containing all possible worlds, including an exact replica of ours or even one very similar to ours but in which there are flamingos as big as elephants on which we ride to work.

>> No.2806977 [DELETED] 

my own sapience, I keep on having these existential crisis' where my own existence as a conscious being contradicts my understanding of the natural world

>> No.2806982

my own sapience, I keep on having these existential crises where my own existence as a conscious being contradicts my understanding of the natural world

>> No.2806988

I've seen it twice now and childbirth still freaks me the fuck out. In a great way.

>> No.2807008

>>2804131
Make a movie out of the opposite.

A world where everybody knows how insignificant they are and readily give their lives for whatever. Kinda like Equilibrium.

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That past present and future might co-emerge and cause one another. That does not mean that effects are magically send back in time to cause the present, but rather that the past is not totally defined (Quantum Fuzziness) until subsequent processes determine the cause of which they are the effect.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6636020940472258071#

>> No.2807043

>>2806963

>infinite number of universities

Giant-Flamingo-Riding University is now my favourite concept for a fantasy setting.

And, to add my own answer to the OP's question, when I walk around at night and realize that, eons ago, there were no humans, and that the only things looking up at the sky were animals, and they looked up and saw... Not the same night sky, but one very similar. Then I realize that some of the photons flying down and hitting me, tiny specks that I might never notice due to a lack of a potent telescope, are from billions of lightyears away; a distant galaxy, and distant stars, and, for a brief moment, I realize how awe-inspiringly huge everything is.

>> No.2807045

the fact all of it exists

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>>2807043

Same here, bro.

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For me it is the (not so small) possibility that on a distant planet some intelligent aliens are thinking about the same stuff mentioned in this thread (including this post).

>> No.2807097

>>2807057

Good to know someone feels the same way, either about the cosmos or about students playing polo on the backs of giant flamingos against teams from other universities.

It also gets kinda awe-inspiring to spend a moment thinking of all the humans who have lived, especially in that long period before settled civilization began. The thought of people whose lives were defined by superstitions, stories, the hunt, and the ever-present gnawing fear of what lies in tomorrow...

>>2807074

Awesome image, bro.

>> No.2807102

This has freaked me out since I was in diapers.

The whole consiousness thing. I mean, what is my mind? What is free thinking? Shit this is hard to explain. Anyone else with me?

>> No.2807118

>>2807102
No, you are the only person who thinks in the entire universe. You are on an entire plane above us.

>> No.2807134

>>2807102

At first I would have agreed. But then I read Putnam, Ryle and Carnap and now for me the issue is meh at best.

>> No.2807135

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zE-IZynfKM

>> No.2807138

>>2807102
Yeah I am "with you" to some extent, until I realised that there is really no way to answer questions like those...
So either forget about the questions, or drive yourself insane and keep asking them. your choice
ignorance is bliss etc.

>> No.2807142

well there are basically 2 thing that i consider to be most fascinating:
- quantum uncertainty (implies the double slit experiment and focusing a mirror when cutting little strips from it)
- general relativity (the speed of light is a constant in every physical system, time and space are intertwined, moving faster makes your size smaller your mass bigger and to an standing still observer you look like time is going slower for you, there is no simultaneousy it depends on the observer)

mind blown

>> No.2807147

>>2804064

Because it was defined that way by Euler, it loses much of its beaty imo :(
I was fascinated by it aswell untill I started to learn about it.

>> No.2807156

>>2804270
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la31lOcbDHc

>> No.2807163

I love this thread

>> No.2807170

>>2807142

i think you mean special relativity, general relativity is about gravity and shit

>> No.2807174

you have asked a semantic question.
Got to /lit/

>> No.2807177

>>2807156

Nice.

Have a loot at how Dennett deals with it too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cSgVgrC-6Y

>> No.2807189

Heisenberg uncertainty principle is pretty mind blowing for me.

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counter strike source

>> No.2807210

Looking at my table and understanding that maybe, it is a bunch of these particles in a sort of energy cloud. And that the different energy clouds/gradients interact with each other to snap into larger molecular structures, just by the nature of the amount of energy contained in each set of particle clouds. And all of these molecular structures are snapped together into the structures that they are most stable, and kind of stacked on each other in a great big mound, and I see a table when some light energy gets absorbed by this mound, and some reflected into the tiny hole in my face that can interpret the wave energy, some of which has traveled billions of light years.

Hopefully that was coherent. I like thinking about something of this nature daily. We live in an absolutely absurd place guys, and I love it.

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2807214

So, let me get this straight. If I go in one direction long enough... (Ignoring universal expansion, purely as a geometric exercise...) I'll approach my starting point from the opposite direction?

>> No.2807257

>>2807214
I don't know space stuff... Is this true?

>> No.2807259

Fucking magnets, man.

>> No.2807270

The fact that we are all just energy slowed down to a condense vibrating state ( higgs-field), that interacts with itself forming... everything.

the fact that there is no good or evil right or wrong, we are basicly free to live life like we want too, and yet the world ( society) is the way it is, too many idiots on the dancefloor.

the fact that I don't know if me making this post is free will, or pre-ordained.

>> No.2807286

>>2807170
general includes special relativity
it's just a modified version of special relativity to include gravity

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Every living organ of our body might be holding relatively high amounts of memory inside itself.

>My Mind When

>> No.2807301

>>2807259
how do they work?

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>>2807292
That sounds absurd. Enlighten me.

>> No.2807307

>>2807292
highly unlikely

amputees don't have memory loss
organ donors don't have memory loss
people with transplanted organs don't remember stuff that never happened to them

>> No.2807310

>>2807292
care to elaborate?

>> No.2807313

>>2807307
uh, yeah, that last one is wrong.

>> No.2807315

The fact that none of my atoms are conscious, yet they form to make me, a conscious human being.

Also, those atoms were created in stars. Us humans all have common ancestry much deeper than just that of biology.

>> No.2807319

>>2807102
Better explaination:
What is me? How does this cosiousness link to this body? Am I here? Is mind natural or some super power?

>> No.2807320

>>2807315
>The fact that none of my atoms are conscious, yet they form to make me, a conscious human being.

I LOVE that thought! Also - those particles that we are made of, are changing ALL THE TIME. We're some sort of glob of different particles that move in and out of "us".

>> No.2807328

>>2807306
>>2807307
>>2807310
>>2807313
http://dimensionalbliss.com/2011/01/23/cellular-memory-in-organ-transplants/

I saw that on Discovery, did a little research and HOLY SHIT, IT MIGHT BE REAL.

>>2807307
It's more of a subconcious, separated memory that has nothing to do with your actual brain-located memory.
Again, it's a very generic theory around little neuron's tubular structures somewhere in our splein/heart/whatever. Still a long way to go.

>> No.2807331

>>2807320
yes :D

and how about something that my prof once told me: "all the atoms we are made up of are changed every seven years" (well not exactly like that, but you know what i mean).

mind. blown.

>> No.2807337

>>2807320

Yeah. And the whole wave-aspect of physics. Photons constantly going through me; not to mention other particles, and so on. Acting like waves.

As Feynman said, "the inconceivable nature of nature." "It's all REALLY there", which is really weird to think about..

Oh how I love physics.

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>>2807328
sorta makes kinda sense. Neural networks formed by someone else could be more likely to fire in the same patterns they always did before.

What would a brain transplant do? Same idea, with a much more rudimentary neural network.

>> No.2807342

>>2807320
except thats probably wrong. either the atoms, or more specifically the electrons or smaller subatomic particles are conscious, or determuinism is true and your consciousness is an illusion.

>> No.2807368

Dreaming and hallucinogens

>> No.2807373

>>2807307
Actually, I remember watching a documentary about a boy who had a heart transplant and by receiving the heart of another person, he gained some of that person's memories. Apparently, some of his memories were of actual events in the donor's life. The donor's widowed wife was there to verify this.
Plus, I advise that you stand in the middle of a doorway, always ensure that your arms are straight and that you push your hands into the doorway by raising them, into the door frame in the Coronal plane. Push as hard as you can. After 30 seconds, what you find is that your arms will go up by themselves. I read that this is due to the memory of your muscles. (I hope my instructions were good)

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>>2807368
If you arent trolling, I'm with you.
<sort of related>
/sci/ will understand this, I'm an intelligent, well balanced man. So when I'm disoriented, I fucking love it.

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>>2807328

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>>2807074
who keeps drawing this

>> No.2807388

Everything.
/thread

>> No.2807395

>>2807385
Good thing cellular memory, and the plausibility of memory contained in small neural networks in complete organs are totally different animals.

>> No.2807402

Our visual system probably performs Fourier analysis

>> No.2807433

OP has Wilson's Disease

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>>2807402

>> No.2807486

>>2804270

>and giving a coherent argument as to why consciousness is fundamental essence of the cosmos. (Includes beautiful graphics and images.)

>consciousness is fundamental essence of the cosmos

Is this actually worth watching or is this some quantum mysticism "What the bleep do we know?" bullshit?

>> No.2807496

>>2807402
That's fucking stupid. What we percieve as a color is a collection of light particles/waves/whatever at different frequencies. NOT one wave that can be broken down into several sinuses.

>> No.2807504

>>2807040
>Beyond belief
And I was almost going to watch that.

Anyone have some great documentaries about time in general?

>> No.2807512

>>2807496

Fourier synthesis/decomposition bro

>> No.2807518

Ribosomes are tickertape computers, and RNA is Turing machine code.

>> No.2807520

>>2807395
good thing that you know nothing about neural networks
protip: neural networks do not store memory. when we emulate neural networks for image recognition we're not teaching the program how to "see"
it's possible to store information this way, but the moment you try to encode something else you loose the ability to "see"

>> No.2807522

>>2807373
> he gained some of that person's memories. Apparently, some of his memories were of actual events in the donor's life
Yeah, that was an episode of The Outer Limits. Urban legend, nothing more.

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The fact that mysterious objects fly around in our skies. We don't know what they are or where they came from and the only thing that is certain is that the government is holding back something.

>> No.2807532

The evolution of macroscopic behavior from microscopic forces.

i.e. neutron stars, superconductivity, etc

>> No.2807541

>>2807529

>>>/x/

>> No.2807550

The fact that is Almost Certain that life exists in the universe besides us, but that we will very likely never contact or find it due to the scale of the universe

Catch-22

>> No.2807555

>>2807522
For an urban legends there's an alarming number of similar cases.

it's the reason they are actually studying those cases.

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>>2807550
>The fact that is Almost Certain

We still have no idea if biogenesis is so damn unlikely that it could only happen once (with luck) or not.

So either we demonstrate in the lap that the conditions for life to arise are common or we find signs of life elsewhere.

Before that we are totally in the dark.

But considering that we actually might be "alone" is just as mindblowing as the alternative to me.

>> No.2807567

>>2807563
The scale of the universe pretty much guarantees it would have happened elsewhere

>> No.2807574

Existence blows my mind

>> No.2807577

>>2807567

How can you know that without knowing how likely it is?

You do accept that there are things that are possible, yet so tremendously unlikely that they will never ever happen, right?

So maybe the occurrence of life is such an event and we got lucky that it happened at all despite the scale of the universe.

>> No.2807594

>>2807577
I like this anon's thinking.

Who's to say that life isn't so unlikely, that there are many other universes where none exists whatsoever? And that only reason we're all here, living, is because life doesn't exist elsewhere?
Blowing shit out of my ass here, but unless we can actually -make- life out of non-life, somewhere else, do we really know all the requirements for life?

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2807597

That every second of every day a multitude of people find love and yet I never will.

>> No.2807611

>>2807597
FYI, those are both men.

>> No.2807616

>>2807611

I daww'd

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How short our existence is compared to our cosmos.

>> No.2807620

>>2807594
>do we really know all the requirements for life?

No, and we never will.

>> No.2807627

>>2807611


Regardless of whether you're right, it is irrelevant.

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That man is the product of causes which had no prevision of the end they were achieving; that his origin, his growth, his hopes and fears, his loves and his beliefs, are but the outcome of accidental collocations of atoms; that no fire, no heroism, no intensity of thought and feeling, can preserve an individual life beyond the grave; that all the labours of the ages, all the devotion, all the inspiration, all the noonday brightness of human genius, are destined to extinction in the vast death of the solar system, and that the whole temple of Man's achievement must inevitably be buried beneath the debris of a universe in ruins.

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>>2807619
>mfw I transfer my consciousness to a supercomputer with control over civilization

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>>2807646

>mfw you think you can transfer your consciousness to a supercomputer without your consciousness ending.

>> No.2807658

We're made of star explosions.

>> No.2807669

>>2807658

I think you mean "we are made of star stuff (produced in explosions)"

If we would be made of explosions...whatever I just wanted to nitpick. Have a nice day.

>> No.2807686

Nothing.

>> No.2807689

>>2807577
http://www.khanacademy.org/video/hubble-image-of-galaxies?playlist=Cosmology%20and%20Astronomy

watch this and try to wrap your mind around how big the universe actually is.

That one little section of the night sky contains thousands and thousands of galaxies, each of which contain BILLIONS of stars, each of which could be a sun to some planet...All in that one little area.

To me it's not weather other life exists in the universe, but how much life is out there. Hell, the Milky Way might be crawling with primitive civilizations.

>> No.2807690

IN a flat universe the total energy is 0.

>> No.2807695

The phenomena we call Consciousness.

>> No.2807702

What was the news that was huge on /sci/ a few weeks ago that was about astronomers finding out something crucial about the possible amount of planets in our galaxy?

Anyone remember or have a link?

>> No.2807718 [DELETED] 

>>2807689
>Hell, the Milky Way might be crawling with primitive civilizations.

Yes. Or not.

Think about this: Can a marble statue juggle with balls for a minute?

The answer is: Yes it can. All the molecules just need to move in the right direction at the right time. But this is so damn improbable that we can confidently say that it never happened nowhere in the universe. On none of the many many many many planets did a marble statue ever juggle.

Yes the universe is big, REALLY big. But that doesn't mean that there are still things so unlikely that they may never happen; or only once.

>> No.2807725

>>2807658
That one is awesome. Dead stars make us!!!! woooooh

>> No.2807729

human body. thats shit is off the wall crazy dawg.

>> No.2807732

>>2807689
>Hell, the Milky Way might be crawling with primitive civilizations.

Yes. Or not.

Think about this: Can a marble statue juggle with balls for a minute?

The answer is: Yes it can. All the molecules just need to move in the right direction at the right time. But this is so damn improbable that we can confidently say that it never happened anywhere in the universe. On none of the many many many many planets did a marble statue ever juggle.

Yes the universe is big, REALLY big. But that doesn't mean that there still aren't things so unlikely that they may never happen; or only once.

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THE INCONCEIIIIIIIIIIIIIVABLE NATURE... OF NATURE.

>> No.2807800

>>2807732
Although I'm inclined to think that there probably is other life in the universe, in this particular thread I'm sympathising with this guy. We have no idea what the probably is, it could be - as he says - that the emergence of life is so incredibly rare, so astronomically unlikely that there really is no life anywhere else in the universe at all, or even in the multitudes of other universes that may well exist. We just cannot be sure either way and the guys arguing for life seem to be the victims of wish thinking to me.

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Life. Why should life exist at all? What other form of matter self-propagates?

Also, what if we are the only intelligent species anywhere in the universe?

Think of it this way. Let's assume life is improbable, but not unheard of in the universe. Say 1/100 potentially suitable planets have life.

On Earth, only 1 of the hundreds of millions of species that have existed had higher form intelligence that we do (OK, maybe 2 if you count Neanderthal).

That's a very, very small number. It might be completely unique in the universe.

Thoughts?

>> No.2807815

When the oil runs out human civilization will go back to its roots.

>> No.2807837

>>2807800

I am this guy and my intuition is also that there is life on other planets. But we currently have no hard evidence one way or the other.

That is why I am hoping that we might find something on other planets in the solar systems or on arriving comets. Because if there was a second genesis of life and it just happened to reach our tiny part of the universe then the universe really must be filled with life.

>> No.2807838

>>2807801
see
>>2807689

>>2807815 no, we'll just start using an alternative energy source noob

Captcha: altiouti redshifts
I thought it was funny
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>> No.2807848

>>2807801

I think you're overexaggerating the intelligence of humans.

And if those 1/100 odds were true (which I don't think they are) there would CERTAINLY be tons and tons of "intelligent" life out there.

>> No.2807879

>>2807848

>overexaggerating

I have no idea why I typed that. I apologize.

>> No.2807914

The mere fact that we can understand anything, let alone as much as we do, with mathematics.

It makes the universe seem so beautiful.

>> No.2807924

>>2807848
how so? Intelligent life is the exception, not the rule. And there is definitely something unique about human intelligence.

>> No.2807949

>>2807924

It is unique in that it has progressed further than other intelligences on this planet. But in my opinion it's the same intelligence as, for an example, a crow has, just widely expanded and enhanced.

There's nothing inherently special about it, except that it's progressed far further and become much more adaptive than all other intelligences on our planet.

>> No.2807962

>>2807949
I understand now. I agree, but i still think there may be something highly unusual about the sort of higher intelligence and cognition that humans are capable of. I know there are analogies in the animal kingdom but I think we are still quite unique.

>> No.2807985

>>2807949

I agree. I always find it puzzling when people pretend like there is something mysterious about human intelligence, while we have many examples of the path it must have developed. From simpler organisms like insects to mammals and our nearest ancestors.

I think it is awesome but nothing special, really.

>> No.2808022

>>2807985
Then why have no other species developed our level of development? Think of every species that have come before.

I don't think there is anything mysterious about human intelligence. I just think that, from an evolutionary perspective, it's very, very rare, and there is a good chance it doesnt exist anywhere else in the universe.

We are the only species on earth that has ever asked any of these questions. There have been millions and millions of species. That's a very, very small number.

>> No.2808042

>>2806982
>>2806982

I zhought i was the only one

>> No.2808053

Magnets.

>> No.2808061

The odds that the moon rotates at the same rate it orbits so the same face is always towards us.

The odds are absurd.

>> No.2808082

Live.

>> No.2808083

>>2808061

Please be trolling.

If so, 8/10

>> No.2808097

something from nothing

/thread

>> No.2808100

>>2808061
nothing is coincidence.

>> No.2808118

>>2808061
wait, what?

>> No.2808122

>>2804044
log(a+b) =/= log(a) + log(b)
unless a = b/(b-1)

>> No.2808132

the moon and sun appear to be the same size on earth, what are the odds

>> No.2808133

>>2804357
gic doesn't say that. note it's restricted to finitely axiomatizable systems.

>> No.2808135

the universe it self

>> No.2808138

The idea (or fact depending on your perspective) that we're nothing more than a squishy network of liquids, solids and gases. And yet we can contemplate our own death. It seems unnatural that something can be this self-aware and yet be as impermanent and physical as a blade of grass.

>> No.2808148

Dimensions.

Similarly, "god" could just be beings that live in the 5th dimension or higher.

>> No.2808161

It is estimated that life on earth explored around 10^43 protein sequences since it appeared on earth.

Even more amazing, this is an insignificant fraction of all possible protein sequences

>> No.2808171

The sheer power of the human brain
>placebos, etc

>> No.2808178

Bottled water.

Seriously, how does it work? Delicious, clean water in portable form for cents. Water crisis diverted.

>> No.2808179
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2808179

fractals/φ and weird shit like that that happens in nature.
also cognition/illusion of self and experience of the world and how it doesn't really in any way resemble what is actually around us; and how we can fool it.

>> No.2808184

>>2808171
Placebo is insane.

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>>2807619

This. Just adding another picture for illustration.

>> No.2808190

>>2808061
First step on the way to believing in God!
Now just make sure you don't read up on possible logical reasons why and claim God did it and you're set for life(and the afterlife).

>> No.2808194

>>2804044

Subjective experience, the fact that it evolved is amazing and mind-blowing.

Evolution could have just created mindless automata, things that just react to their environment, but for some reason it gave them the power to be aware of their environment and feel it....why?

We don't need subjective experience of pain, a machine can avoid pain and react to avoid it without needing to feel it...

pretty spooky

>> No.2808200

The most mysterious, mind-blowing, and complex thing in the universe is in your brain. Your consciousness trumps all other physical phenomena.

If you want to understand the universe and how it works, you have to understand the mind.

Physicists need to point the telescope inward, they are missing the point.

>> No.2808206

>>2808061

It never used to be tidally locked, and it used to rotate at a different speed to earth.

It was the gravity of earth that caused it to become tidally locked

>> No.2808208

>>2807594
if you consider life a cell that can duplicate and reproduce, then in fact we can make life from non-life and we've pretty much already done it.
>>2807577
because there's a good probability it has happened in parallell on earth, and we have good models for how it could have happened/how many ways it can happen, and how, if conditions are right, it'll happen pretty much anywhere.

>> No.2808211
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Not a fact but a mindblowing thought.

<<< referring to picture

>> No.2808216

>>2808194
not really strange at all, and many other creatures show significant subjective experience and internal debate, of course bonobos among the most advanced.

the reason is probably so you can extrapolate/teach and in other ways make use of the information abstractly, not just by being trained by the environment.

>> No.2808223

The fact that dinosaurs used to roam the earth, maybe even on the very spot that we sleep on

>> No.2808233

>>2808208
>because there's a good probability it has happened in parallell on earth

citation needed

>> No.2808236

>>2808200

What more is there to discover, really? I'm not saying we know everything about the brain but are you still expecting some mind-boggling discovery?

I personally find subatomic particles and dark energy and dark matter to be far more interesting at this point.

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>>2808200
There'ss one little problem. You'd have to use your mind.

>> No.2808263

Damn, sure wish I was stoned reading this

>> No.2808273

>>2808216

it is strange because we can't even imagine how it could be caused

it's strange in any animal, in any form of life...it's one thing to function "objectively" and simply react to the environment...

but it's a totally different thing to have your own internal experience of the world

im not sure why consciousness evolved, i can imagine a perfectly normal world where every life form is a mindless automata that simply reacts to its environment in a predetermined or random way...like zombies

you don't have to taste food to eat it, you dont have to feel pain to avoid it

life forms could have been conditioned to react exactly the way they do now, but without having any internal experience of the world

>> No.2808276

>>2807702

This

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/02/20/45188349.html

Milky way home to 50 billion planets?

>> No.2808286

euler's identity

>> No.2808290

>>2808022

Some people say that velociraptors could have achieved sentience if they survived for a bit longer. dunno how true that is though

>> No.2808302

>>2808290

sentience is more basic than identity...I'm pretty sure fish and bees are sentient...

>> No.2808312

That the that the implication of our very existence is essentially the universe becoming self aware.

Blew my mind.

>> No.2808324

>>2807577

Think of how much diversity there is on this planet. Life will spring up wherever it gets the chance to. Look at the amount of extremophiles there are and how well some animals are adapted to their environments.

Now imagine that we found a planet orbiting a star a few thousand light years away. It was a similar size and composition to our planet, and it resided in the 'goldilocks' zone.

Life occurred on this planet, why not that one?

>> No.2808325

>>2808312
>>2808312

that would be an implication you were the entire universe

>> No.2808330

maybe not MOSt, but pretty kewl--

some friends & i got to stand in a room of a cave with the flashlighs off, while a few brown bats flew around and around and around in circles right by us, never hitting anybody. ...you could hold your hands together with your arms above your head in a circle, and you'd hear them chirping and feel the wind off their wings as they flew through your arms.

you hear this many times, about how bats can "see" in the dark....everybody knows it by the time they're twelve. but being told this, or reading it in a book is NOTHING compared to being there, 'seeing" them really do it.

>> No.2808345

wave particle duality for me

>> No.2808353
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2808353

Is man one of God's blunders? Or is God one of man's blunders?

>> No.2808381

A few things:

>human intelligence doesn't really amaze me
as far as I'm concerned, neurons/brain are the equivalent of computer hardware and concioussness is the software. Just like you don't see your desktop when you open up the processor.

As for mindblowing:
>You have more than twice the number of bacterial cells in/on your body than 'human' cells
>Tell yourself you are human

>> No.2808405

>>2808381

I thought it was only a few kg of bacteria? Or was that just your intestine?

>> No.2808417

>>2808405
If you include mitochondria and other endosymbionts then it is far and beyond the number of human cells, I'm not the same guy so I dunno.

>> No.2808425

>>2808417

Ahh, I see

>> No.2808444

>>2808417
Yeah I think thats what he means, they contain bacterial DNA, ribosomes etc.

>> No.2808448

We will never truly understand how the mind and conciousness works.

>> No.2808468

>>2808345
That actually makes it less mind boggling for me. I just wouldn't comprehend waves that exist all on their own. I'd have to assume there's Ether or some other dumb shit.

For me the most mind boggling things are mass, gravity, magnetism and the quantum vacuum.

>> No.2808499

I consider the fact that we are capable of conceiving the grandest ideas and examine the most vexing mysteries, yet spend most of our time trolling on 4chan, as the most mindblowing aspect of the natural world.

>> No.2808581

>>2808325

What I think he means is that since we are part of the universe and are conscious of ourselves (and the universe) a part of the universe could be said to be conscious of itself.

>> No.2808673

That pretty much all elements in our body (i.e. calcium, iron, phosphorus etc) were fused in the Sun, so we are kind of related

>> No.2808686

Naturally occurring paradoxes like the Heisenberg uncertainty principle and its logical extrapolation into the absurdism that is schrodingers cat...

>> No.2808704

>>2808686
the uncertainty principle is not a paradox RAGE

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>>2804051

>4chan

>> No.2809027

>>2808704

I am not saying that the uncertainty principle is paradoxial in an of itself I am just saying it implies the existence paradoxes like Schroedinger's cat.