/sci/ - Science & Math

most primary school teachers are pretty dumb

"likes" can be subjective.

I'd say it can go either way.

>>2762203

if everyone describes themselves as liking the shirt then the phrase "Everyone likes John's shirt" is a fact.

Its not a fact.
First, you can not quantify this. Everyone is not a measurement.
Secondly, it is not observable. If you would say :"Everyone said that Jack's shirt is nice", it woul be better because they said it.

Well, that's what I think

>>2762211
Unless they're lying to spare John's feelings.

>>2762221

Of course it depends on how "everyone" is defined. "He is running" depends on who "he" is, too.

>>2762181
OP is stupid and is still stupid to this day.
It's an opinion, its like
Everyone on /v/ hates Halo, so its a fact Halo is a bad game.
Now, thats just an opinion, but if everyone on the planet hated Halo, then it would be fact.
Deal w/ it

>>2762241
OP isn't saying it's a fact that John has a good shirt. He's saying it's a fact that people like it. That they have a positive opinion of the shirt is implicit in the statement, but the meaning of the statement is "they like it." Either they do or they don't. Therefore, fact.

Who the fuck is John?

>in american literature class with that kid
>you know the one, who always asks retarded questions
>''did the author really MEAN to do that?' status
>nearing end of the year
>professor finished discussion, any questions?
>kid raises his hand
>teacher slouches leans back against white board, 'What do YOU want?'
>immediately puts his hand down
>'class dismissed'
wasn't me but damn that was hilarious

the funniest part about is even people on /sci/ don't understand

it's a fact.

"like" and "everyone" are vague, but it is still an objective statement. Would you still consider this an opinion?

60% of people in the room said they liked john's shirt.

it's a fact about people's opinions, but it is still a fact

>>2762259

Brutal. I would eat a fucking gun after that shit.

<<2762181
OP, I'm a sophomore in college, going for electrical engineering, and I KNOW you are right.

Your teacher was being a bitch.

>high school chem
>final exam
>like 3 calculation questions
>like 50 "who discovered radiation? Who devised the plum pudding model of the atom?" type questions
>my face

>>2762261
There, there is a difference in your statement. First, you quantified the "everyone" and switched the "like" to "said they like". It makes all the difference between it being a fact and not being a fact

>>2762274
><<2762181
wat

>>2762267

>>2762294

the problem of "everyone" not being defined isn't really a problem at all, see the anon who pointed out that "he is running" requires a contextual definition of "he" as well.

The problem of whether the state of "liking" something is an objective property with intrinsic truth value is some pretty heavy philosophical shit and probably not the kind of thing 8 year olds should have to deal with.

I don't recall and specific instances but my 8th grade science teacher was retarded. It was her first year but most of her stupidity came from simply not reading the problem. Most of the other kids didn't anything, but me and my friend liked calling out her mistakes in class.

>>2762315

I just anything a whole lecture, is that bad?

>>2762294

"said they liked" is less ambiguous than "liked", but it does not change the objectivity of the statement, just the likelihood that it is actually correct. For instance, if you said

"Everyone likes Obama"

you would be wrong, because there are plenty of counterexamples, obviously. But that does not make an opinion, it merely makes it wrong.The same applies in this situation.

>journalism class in high school
>I'm editor-in-chief, me and the other editors are tasked with laying out the paper
>submit our layout to the teacher
>she marks a bunch of changes we need to make and kicks it back to us
>we make the changes and resubmit
>she demands a bunch of other changes including reverting some of her first changes
>this goes on ALL YEAR
>the first copy of the paper comes out in April
>stories about homecoming and the football season that ended in like December
>her face

"I like John's shirt" is a fact.

"Everyone likes John's shirt" is also a fact.

"A whole bunch of innumerable people like John's shirt" is a fact.


Anyone defending OP's teacher needs to consider reevaluating their stance.

>middle school advanced math class
>teacher gives candy for 100% on tests
>statistics/survey chapter
>label surveys as biased or unbiased
>lessons repeatedly make it clear that for this purpose, pretty much anything not determined by random selection is considered bias
>survey question: would you (a student) want there to be more after school clubs available?
>sample method: poll the first 100 students to arrive at school on a given day
>mark 'biased'
>so does like 90% of the rest of the class
>teacher says unbiased because it's basically random when the kids arrive at school
>even if it wasn't, it isn't like it would affect their answer
>me and entire class point out you don't have to justify how it affects the outcome because it isn't random and people obviously tend to arrive at school around the same time each morning
>we continue to point out that it still clearly has a direct relationship to the question because kids who arrive at school earlier probably can get to and from school more easily, and would therefore support more after-school programs
>teacher says well, kids who make it to school early may also have more of their free time shifted to the morning so it balances it out
>we point out that another source of bias in the question doesn't 'balance it out' it's still fucking biased
>point out where the textbook fucking tells us this
>the only question i get wrong on the quiz
>still don't have my caramel apple pop 10 years later
>fucking hate that teacher because of this one instance.

>>2762343
"John has a good shirt" is an opinion.

>>2762304
I didn't say defined, I said quantified. But you got a point about the 8 years old. Still, I maintain that you have to either qualify something of define it (he is being defined intrinsically as one male) for it to be a fact. Everyone is too vague. Sure, you could say "Everyone is breathing", but that would be wrong, since the dead are not. You should say "Everyone that lives breaths". Here, it is defined. Sure, you could question semantics, but so could you with the verb "is" in "he is running"

>You must have a referential frame for something to be considered a fact

>>2762343
I asked Bob if he liked John's shirt. He said he did. If I were to say Bob didn't like John's shirt, that would be false.

Doesn't matter if it's practical. It is NOT an opinion.

Statement: Everyone likes John's shirt

Proof of fact-hood:

Assume the statement is true. [O]

//Define Opinion: True statement whose converse can be true simultaneously
EG: John is wearing a pretty shirt. [O]
John is wearing an ugly shirt. [O]//

Can the converse statement be true simultaneously. [X]

Proof by contradiction; statement is fact.

>teacher tells us it's impossible to round 9 to the nearest 10 because "there is no ten's place"

>>2762359
>>2762355
Are these posts agreeing with the post they linked?

coulda just said his shirt was red.

>calculus I class
>question about related rates on exam
>"at what rate is r decreasing?"
>r is decreasing
>fuuuuuck should my answer have a negative sign or not
>agonize over it for like 20 minutes
>state my answer with no negative sign
>marked wrong, no partial credit, question was 10% of the whole exam
>my fucking face

>>2762367
Yes.

>fifth grade
>teacher gives us all a random test
>whatever, start working on it and it's not too hard
>a few minutes in teacher stops everyone
>look around, there are one or two people sitting back in their seats looking smug
>teacher directs us to the instructions at the top of the test which say "do not do this test"
>lectures class about the importance of following instructions
>mfw

>>2762370
You were right.

Increasing at a rate of -2 is the same as decreasing at a rate of 2.

Want proof? Add -2 every 5 seconds.
Now subtract 2 every 5 seconds.

Your instructor was a dumbfuck.

>>2762370
Oh fuck that

>>2762304

what the fuck don't you understand

if I walked up to you and said "he is running" the natural question is "who?"

if I went up to you and said "everyone is running" the natural question is still "who"

both statement's truth values depend on who is being referred to.

consider the case where you say "they are running." this is a fact too, if "they" is a group of people who are running. But you still need to precisely define who "they" are which can be an arbitrary number of people.

TL;DR SOME FACTS ARE CONTEXTUALf

There are no "facts" since everything is subjective.
Our brain is not connected to the outside world directly, therefore we cannot be sure what real is. Not even mathematical axioms are "facts". They are rules that have been defined and accepted as truth.

>>2762388

I'm sure this is what OP's second grade teacher meant

well I mean I'm not sure because you can't be sure of anything, maaaaan

>>2762388

>everything is subjective.

prove it

>>2762388
That's useless for any practical purposes.

>>2762388
Not quite true. The philosophical concept of A=A is impossible to get around.

Opinions can't be wrong.
/thread

>>2762365
wat

>>2762411
This.

Go back to bed Descartes, your time has passed and gone long ago. Science assume that facts can be amassed via perceptions.

>mfw /sci/ doesn't understand the difference between fact and opinion

IT ALL MAKES SO MUCH SENSE NOW

>>2762424
That's just, like, your opinion, man.

first grade, about 7 years old.
teacher says, if you drop a feather and a bowling ball from a tower they will fall at the same rate; tell her this is bullshit because a feather will float. she insists i'm wrong.
goddamnit that pissed me off.

>>2762434
Should've brought a feather. Dropped it. Watched it drift. Ask her if the bowling ball would drift lazily down.

She was referring to weight not affecting it, though, which is true (in a vacuum).

>go to backwater victorian catholic school
>too many stories to tell
>I attribute my slacker attitude entirely to that place

>>2762423
Descartes? Descartes never said it couldn't, just not with absolute certainty. It was this acceptance of the lack of absolute certainty that allowed humanity to crawl out of the slime of superstition into the modern age. You obviously have a few drips still on you since you have committed a continuum fallacy.

Jill likes cake
that is not an opinion, it is a fact that she likes it. If she later changes her mind and decides she doesn't like cake then it is false but it is not an opinion, it's a statement about opinions. Someones opinion is subjective but saying that someone has a certain opinion is objective.

>>2762406
>>2762405

in the end, nothing can be absolutey proven.
Maybe I just dream you. Maybe this is a simulation run in some supercomputer. Nobody can be sure.

The brain gets electrical and chemical information from its sensory (eyes, ears, etc.) and interpretes them into an image of the world. It would be very interesting to be able to compare different world images. Maybe your red is not my red.

Sure that's not a practical concept, but its the "real". haha

>Argue with teachers in 7th grade about how 0.999...=1
>None of them believe me
>Show proof after proof
>None of them believe me
>Remain insistent on the issue
At the end of the year, they gave every student a public "award" for what they were most remembered for. The award they gave me?
>The "0.999...=2" award
>Grow up resentful towards teacher, learn to hate math altogether
Yes, nothing like abusing status to publicly humiliate a student at the end of the year.

Then another time:
>3rd grade
>Book says all gases are invisible
>I bring up steam
>Teacher says neither is a gas because they are not invisible

>>2762347
hmm, i think i need to work on that whole brevity thing, this looks really tl;dr after the fact.

>>2762471
>>2762471
First, I didn't say Descartes didn't contribute to science. Secondly, Descartes said that there might be truths to individuals through their perceptions, but not objective truth or shared truth between people because of his solipsism. Know your stuff before being rude.

>>2762512
well, in fairness the reason steam is visible is due to condensed liquid water, actual steam is undetectable to the human eye (I recall a story about submarine crews searching for cracks in steam pipes using a broom handle that would be cut through like butter by the high pressure leak that otherwise would not be noticable).

Although there are colored gases so I don't know wtf the textbook was talking about.

>>2762549

Nope, book is right.

A true gas cannot be seen by the naked eye. If you can see it, it is a vapour.

>>2762583
Dry ice
And vapor is a gas

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor
A vapor is a substance in the gas phase at a temperature lower than its critical point

>>2762583
ah, ok. Still kindof a retarded teacher for not explaining that to the student.

my brother once got a second grade vocabulary list with three verbs in which all of the definitions were in the form of "to _____"

this was more than halfway through the year and my dad went in the next day ad got him switched out of the class

>>2762617

wait

are you saying the word was like "sleep"

and the definition was "to sleep"

>>2762626
20 goto 10

>>2762626
no, the word would be an adjective or a noun and the definition would be an infinitive

>>2762657
(the definition wasn't self referential, it was just the wrong part of speech)

>April 1st, joke quiz in Lin Alg
>We've been studying Markov Chains recently
>Question pretending to be about Markov chains, answer is actually hidden in the question
>I overthink it and try to work it out, end up with a mess
>Teacher gives me a C on quiz
>Everyone else gets an A
>I'm one of his best students, according to him

MIND GAMES, MIND GAMES EVERYWHERE

>in like grade 3
>learn that lightning never strikes the same place twice
>thank fuck I was never caught out in a lightning storm or I would of likely fried following that advice.

>>2762583
>>2762608

Bromine gas is orange brown.

> 6th grade
> get sheet of notes saying planets go mars, venus, earth, mercury, etc
> later get quiz where we have to write order of planets
> answer quiz properly
> get marked wrong
> complain to teacher who tells me the sheet is right
> next day i print off the internet a list of planets in order and show teacher
> she takes it obviously doesn't care
> i ask her to correct her mistake to the class
> she refuses. i ask why and she sends me to the principals office
> i get in school suspension for defiance and disturbing the class
> as i sat in the shitty little room in the office doing worksheets for 6 hours, i lost a great deal of faith in humanity

Facts are not true or false. Facts are true.

"Everyone likes John's shirt" is a proposition. It is circular logic to use the statement to determine the truth value of the statement.

What you're not seeing here is the possibility that the statement could be given from a third point of view. In other words, this is someone's opinion in regards to who likes John's shirt.

It's an opinion.

>freshman bio
>"Reproduction" unit
>Are given the question "If a man and a woman have two children, what is the probability that they have a boy and a girl (not necessarily in that order), given that there is a 50-50 chance of having a boy or a girl for any one child?"
>Correct answer: 4 equally likely possibilities (BB, GB, BG, GG), two of which satisfy, so 0.5
>Teacher corrects us, says it's actually 0.25. P(B)*P(G)=0.5*0.5=0.25
>This is clearly wrong, but she won't let us correct her
>I tell my math team coach (who was the teacher I mentioned in this story: >>2762693)
>He explains that the Bio teachers have been teaching that question incorrectly for 7 years and won't let the math teachers correct them
>IMPOTENT RAEG, SO MUCH RAEG
>Question comes up on test
>We all give the "correct" answer of 0.25, like good little weasels

>>2762772
obviously in the context of the test you assume that the statement is true if it can be true. it probably should be statement vs. opinion instead of fact vs. opinion but the intent is still obvious.

>>2762781
wtf is wrong with the bio teacher? why would they specify the order doesn't matter only to directly contradict the question?

>10th grade
>test on Buddhism
>say that Buddhism isn't a religion because it has no belief in a higher being or consciousness
>get a 30% on the essay
>go to teacher with a quote from Siddhartha fucking Guatama, saying that the concept of God is ridiculous
>doesn't even look at it

The plus side? He didn't even look at any of my essays for the rest of the year, got 100% on all of them.

>>2762798
Because they didn't understand the math they were teaching.

>>2762801
you can have a non theistic religion

>>2762781
What amazes me is that you could confront a teacher like that with overwhelming evidence - for example, that the teacher's "correct" answer implies that there is a 75 percent chance of same gender siblings, which by the teacher's math would be pr(B)*pr(B)+pr(G)*pr(G) = .5, which obviously is a mathematical discrepancy. They're the teacher, however, and you're the student, and they'll be damned if some egotistical little bastard is going to know more than them.

You know, that said, I sympathize with a lot of the stories in these threads, but you guys need to realize that most of you are isolating yourselves. You can be right and lonely, or just keep it to yourself and not come off as threatening to people.

>>2762772

how do those boots taste today?

>>2762821
About half the class spoke up, but the teacher wouldn't hear any of it. She just kept on telling us that we were wrong and the Bio department was right.

>>2762781
>mfw you added the "not necessarily in that order" part in years later to make yourself not seem like a moron freshman. If order is specific, then your bio teacher is correct, and my guess is this is what happened.
have fun with you butthurt and self delusion

>>2762834

>bio department

goddamn, bio majors, why must you continually reaffirm the stereotypes

>Write a report about violent video games not being a problem in society
>Teacher gives me a D because she doesn't agree with my opinion
>FUCKING KILL HER GODDAMIT I WILL KILL HER

Never got around to killing her.

>>2762811

>>2762847
>A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
>A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

>>2762836
nope.avi
Evanston Twp. High School
Go ask a bio teacher there.

>>2762181
This wasn't a teacher, but this particular idiocy is widespread enough to merit inclusion.
>Working at a convenience store
>A ton of product isn't priced, manager isn't on shift, we need to stock it
>Call owner, find out where the wholesale prices are listed
>Told to mark up by 30 percent then round up to the nearest .09 to find retail price
>Proceed to multiply all prices by 1.3 and tag everything
>The next day the manager tells me I priced the entire liquor isle wrong, I get bitched at for a while
>Get told that I was supposed to take wholesale price, and divide by .7
>Explain to manager why that's wrong, use simple values for examples - 30 percent of 10 is 3, so logically a 30 percent markup from 10 should be 13, not 14.29
>Manager produces a table supplied by the different vendors, all of whom use the division method
>Everybody in retail fucking does it in this stupidly backwards way to charge higher prices while being able to claim that their markups are not as high as they really are

>>2762886

Hahaha the business world sure is great isn't it?

>>2762821
>but you guys need to realize that most of you are isolating yourselves. You can be right and lonely, or just keep it to yourself and not come off as threatening to people.
or maybe when we were in public school the teachers should've been reasonable and taught us instead of dashing any respect we might have for authority against the barnacle-coated rocky shores. And then dumping the salt of ignorance on it.

It's either a fact or a hyperbole.

>>2762840

I wrote some shitty report about violent video games not causing violence in real life in about 20 minutes and turned it in and got an A. Looking back I think the teacher did it out of pity because she thought I was some loser loner kid with no friends. She was half right

>Grade 11 (second last year of secondary for all you non-canadian faggots) English essay
>Write a sick essay
>Use Thesaurus like a crazy nig to make my essay more sick
>Teacher accuses me of plagiarism because my wording was too advanced.
>Quizzes me on some of the words I used in the essay, but I had written it a month ago so I forgot some of the words.
>Shows me how some of the words weren't even used correctly; trying to make me feel guilty.
>I'm like "If the words aren't used correctly, how the fuck is it plagiarism?"

MFW

>>2762969
>Implying using big words makes a good paper
You are everything that's wrong with English

>>2762962
>>2762840
I had to pick a stance in an issue of my choice and give a speech to support my decision, and I chose violent video games not causing violence in gamers. My teacher evaluated me on the formation of my speech, my evidence and argument, and my speech skills. Got an A. That guy was such an awesome teacher to have, awesome telling stories and shit.
feelsgoodman.jpg

>>2762969
yeah, you deserved a bad grade for thinking picking the biggest words out of a thesaurus doesn't make your paper sound like it was written by a 6th grader.

>>2763000

haters gonna hate

maybe i should just use the same word over and over in my essay

>>2762840

This is so ironic.

>>2762583
Vapor is gas, though.

op, your teacher was totally correct.

>>2763012
Or maybe you should just say what the fuck you got to say, and not worry about petty bullshit like that???

In my opinion, essays are everything that's wrong with academia. They teach you to bullshit.

IMO, you should start of writing essays that are 20 pages in elementary school, then by college be able to write the 20 pages in one paragraph.

Read some Buddhist sayings/texts. Each sentence is short, but takes a good 5 minutes to get a surface understanding, and a lifetime to fully appreciate. That shows true wisdom and mastery of language.

Not using a fucking thesaurus.

>in 6th grade science class
>ask teacher if I can use the restroom because I need to go pee
>he says "Abslolutely...NOT"

I'd never been denied permission to go to the bathroom in elementary. This was very new and angering to me.

>>2762181


>all I can say is "but if everyone likes John's shirt then it's fact"

But if even one person doesn't then your statement is opinion.

What about people in coma's? They can't form an opinion, and so they can't like john's shirt, and so the matter is opinion.

If you are going to split hairs with the stupid ass opinion that it's possible that everyone CAN love his shirt I am going to point out the reality that this chance can't occur without godly intervention.

>>2763037
>>2763037


"An insincere and evil friend is more to be feared than a wild beast; a wild beast may wound your body, but an evil friend will wound your mind."
Buddha

That single sentence has much more wisdom than the entirety of 95% of all college papers, and it uses simple words, but it has a lifetime of wisdom in it.

>>2762512
>Book says all gases are invisible
Same thing happened to me with a teacher.

>>2763052
So what you are saying that a fact that is quantitatively untrue becomes an opinion?

>>2763052
>>2763052
>>2763052
>>2763052
>>2763052
It never said to PROVE the statement.

If the statement is "The sky is green", then it would be a fact.
The statement "The sky is a pretty shade of blue" is an opinion.

It never said to PROVE the statements...

>>2763052
wrong, even if they all do, its still an opinion.

look, if you say "i like john's shirt"

that's an opinion, so just because everyone has the same opinion, it doesn't magically become a fact.

>>2762969
If you were in 11th grade and were writing a paper using a significant amount of words for which you didn't know the definition, you're a fucking idiot, simply because by that age you should have at least enough familiarity with the language to recognize pretty much every word you're going to use.

>>2763068
>>2763068
>>2763068
>>2763068
>>2763068
It never said SHIT about John having a nice shirt.
What it DID say is that everyone likes his shirt.

"Bob likes John's shirt" is a fact
"John's shirt is nice" is an opinion

>>2763068
you are retarded
"i like john's shirt" is a fact
"john's shirt is good" or "john's shirt is pretty" or something would be an opinion, but the fact that you like that shirt is a fact, and if that fact becomes no longer true it is simply an invalidated fact.

>>2763068
But surely the statement, "Mary likes cake" is a fact about Mary's opinion of cake?

Compare it to the statement, "The sky is beautiful." This is a qualitative assessment.

Saying, "Some number of people, when surveyed, indicated that the sky was beautiful" is on the other hand quantitative.

"Everyone likes John's shirt" is an unlikely fact, but it could be an attempt at a statement of fact. It's not any different from, say, "Everybody brushes their teeth." Whether or not its true, it's definitely not an opinion because it clearly aims for quantitative rather than qualitative description.

ITT: aspies that genuinly believe that the statement 'everyone likes john's shirt' is a fact.

>>2763080
now what your saying is that a personal opinion magically becomes a fact if its recognized by a third party.

wrong, its still an opinion, no matter who recognizes.

>teacher hands out paper to do in class
>on paper says read all steps before beginning paper
>last step on page says do nothing
>I do nothing
>see kids spending whole class doing weird shit like folding paper in half, cutting etc

Teacher trolled majority of class but not me

To all the idiots of this thread.

The implied definitions in the OP are:
- An opinion is a value statement. It is not falsifiable.
- A fact is a falsifiable assertion about the observable world.

"John's shirt is pretty" is a value judgment.

"I like John's shirt" is a falsifiable assertion about the observable world. You could observe me, and see if my behavior, my words, etc., are consistent with the fact that I do indeed like John's shirt.

/thread

>>2763102
Yes. And is there a problem?

>>2762837
>goddamn, bio majors, why must you continually reaffirm the stereotypes

My favorite science teacher taught biology. Unless you wanna be technical and call math a science, in which case it was my calc teacher. Physicist, btw.

>>2763114

Are you me?

>>2763102
While there are certainly many asspies on /sci/, using the term to refer to people who are smarter than you isn't really valid.

>>2763107
>>2763107
>>2763107
>>2763107
You're a moron.

The fact is that someone has opinion x.

If you can't get that, please don't have children.

>>2763129

> smarter
> no information on my intelligence or that of the other posters
> believes that "everyone likes John's shirt" is a fact

Keep derping retard.

>>2763144
lol

>>2763144
>does not understand the difference between fact and opinion
>does not see the correlation between this and absolute lack of intelligence

>>2763134
just because you compile a set of opinons, does not make those opinions facts, sorry, idiot, but

your an idiot

if it's someone else's opinion then it's an opinion, if it's my opinion then it's a fact.

imo, everyone needs to stfu about opinions and facts. nobody cares.

>>2763157

>>your an idiot
>>your

0/10 troll

>>2763117

Yes, "I Like john's shirt" Is a fact

"Everybody likes john's shirt" Is an opinion. What right do you have to choose the opinions of others? Do you have proof to back up the 'fact' that every single person likes John's shirt?

>>2763157
Indulge me, if you don't mind, as to whether the following are statements of fact or opinion:

1) People have opinions.
2) There are things people like and dislike.
3) Robert has an opinion of oranges.
4) Robert likes oranges.
5) I also like oranges.
6) Oranges taste great.

>>2763162
>Yes, "I Like john's shirt" Is a fact
Glad we're getting somewhere.

>"Everybody likes john's shirt" Is an opinion
"Everyone likes John's shirt" is a falsifiable assertion about the natural world. Under the implied definitions of the OP, it is not an opinion. It might not be a fact either - because one could demonstrate with evidence that it is false.

The OP's point was that if we restrict the sense of the word "everyone" to have implied meaning "everyone in the classroom", then we can gather sufficient evidence to make the scientific falsifiable claim that "everyone [in the classroom] likes John's shirt".

>>2763162
even if you did, its still just a set of opinions.

compiling data about opinions is not a fact. its a set of opinions.

>>2763170
If you have any science degrees, please return them post haste to the granting university.

>>2763166

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>>2763166

1) People have opinions - fact
2) There are things people like and dislike - fact
3) Robert has an opinion of oranges - opinion, unless you have a statement from john stating that he does have an opinion, or it can be demonstrated that he has an opinion.
4) Robert likes oranges - opinion unless you do the above
5) I also like oranges - hard to say, the also disqualifies this unless robert does indeed like oranges and you aren't putting words in his mouth
6) Oranges taste great - opinion.

>>2763175
sociology fag detected,

lol

>>2763168

>The OP's point was that if we restrict the sense of the word "everyone" to have implied meaning "everyone in the classroom", then we can gather sufficient evidence to make the scientific falsifiable claim that "everyone [in the classroom] likes John's shirt"

oh, so he was arguing semantics to increase his grade?

what a faggot. The classroom isn't everyone, and even if that was the point of the question theres no way to tell within the confines of the test.

>>2763180
how are you so fucking stupid
seriously
i dont understand

>>2763199

You are the stupid one, why the fuck are you speaking for robert?

Robert may very well hold no opinion on oranges.

>>2763207
>>2763207
>>2763207
Don't reproduce, ever. Please. I'll give you $20 to never have children.

>>2763213

Stop speaking for robert faggot.

>>2763215
Please...$20. Fuck $40? I'm broke man, what do you want? I'll pay for your vasectomy and give you $20?

>>2762969
i did the ossd program and it finishes at grade 12...

>>2763224

So, in your world people either like or hate something? suppose Robert has no opinion on oranges? Suppose robert has never seen an orange before? He could have no opinion on oranges, and until you get confirmation that he has you can't list it as fact.

>>2763207
then it would be a falsehood, not an opinion.

Jack thinks Jill is cute.
Jill is cute.

Fact or opinion?

Sorry I'm late to the discussion but "everyone like's John's shirt" cannot possibly be a fact. First of all there are what, 6.8 billion people on Earth? It is impossible for everyone to know John. It is less possible for everyone to like his shirt because you cannot please every person at the same time.

It is not a question of philosophy, it is not a question of how the definition of 'everyone' is objective. Everyone means what it means, everyone. It is a FACT that 6.8 billion people cannot possibly have an opinion on one man named John's shirt and all of them be favorable.

OP cannot possibly be correct labeling such a statement as 'fact'.

"In my opinion, everyone likes john's shirt" makes no fucking sense. it's a fucking fact.

"In my opinion, john's shirt is likable" <-- that is an opinion

I've never had troll teachers, it's always been me who's been trolling them.

>10th grade
>already got the grades I need
>math teachers comes up with a stupid test that we don't need
>write 42 as the answer to every question
>get a D

>10th grade again
>german teacher is a mad bitch who's also the vice principal of the school
>she says a racist statement during a lesson
>I go madtroll on her ass, rages about it on the intranet, takes it up with the principal, my classmates all agree with me
>principal invites me to his office
>says that she is sorry, but "since she's vice principal we don't want to make a big fuzz about it".
>OH SHIT NIGGA YOU DIDN'T
>I go on a crusade throughout the school, informing everyone about that teachers get away with shit based on their importance to the school
>finally get her to apologize in front of the class
>VICTORY
>mfw

I have a lot more, but this is what I just remembered.

captcha: alsonsec justice

>be in elementary school, maybe 5th or 6th(early 90s)
>discussion about bird types
>remember a show from the discovery channel about same topic
>mentions that birds of prey can also be called raptors
>raise hand, answer that raptors are a type of bird
>teacher responds "Raptors are dinosaurs not birds"
>mfw

Consider that there's no reason to assume that the test is not presented from the omniscient point of view. Yes, in real life nobody is omniscient, but literature has a longstanding tradition of omniscient narration. If a math test says "The volume of a cube is 24 cubic inches" you don't say "that's an opinion until I personally verify it" you write down "v=24 inches^3"

If the question says "bob eats fruit" you have no reason to believe that the damn thing is lying to you any more than you have to believe its lying to you if it says "there are five pennies on the table."

I suppose "there are five pennies on the table" should be marked opinion because there could or could not be five pennies on the table? So just what IS a fact, if you go that far? There's not a single inviolate concept in the human imagination if you do that.

>You ready to be fucked, man? I see you rolled your way into the semis. Dios mio, man. Liam and me, we're gonna fuck you up.
>Yeah, well, you know, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

>>2763314
Actually, here's one more

>be 13
>go to private international school
>their computer security is shit
>hack the teachers intranet
>send everyone an email linking to some shock site (I think it was meatspin.org or something) posing as my homeroom teacher
>school wide assembly, the teachers rage and promise hell to whoever did it if the person didn't turn themselves in
>nope.jpg
>never got caught

>>2763350
NIIIICCEEE.

>>2763269
Once again, before being presented with a quiz like this you are told to think of a fact as something that can be demonstrated to be correct or incorrect; an opinion is the other thing a statement can be - that is, something that can not be proven correct or incorrect as it is subjective.

It doesn't matter if hardly anyone knows John or his shirt specifically, that just means they don't like his shirt, as they don't even know it exists and therefore do nothing in relation to it, such as liking it. I almost sided with you for a second but I'm pretty sure that not having an opinion about something is always the same as "not _____-ing" it. Someone that knows nothing about the thing that they are to have an opinion about does not "hate" it, "love" it, "think it is awesome", etc.

>>2763350
Just remembered another one, my personal favorite

>again 13, same private school
>all the classrooms are connected to each other by one giant hall which is used for assemblies and shit
>there is a large stereo setup powerful enough to be heard throughout school
>make a CD at home with 45 minutes of silence followed by Darude - Sandstorm
>each lesson is 90 minutes
>bell rings, I sneak over to the stereo, crank up the volume, put the CD in and press play
>go to class
>45 minutes later
>teacher is talking about second world war or something
>suddenly, music is building up
>everyone is like "what the fuck?"
>suddenly the fade-in is done, whole hall is transformed into techno party
>we look into the hall, people are looking out of the classrooms and teachers don't know what the fuck is going on
>some students are dancing
>the IT guy cuts off the music
>everyone is led back to their classes
>they find the CD
>assembly, rage, etc
>never got caught

Oh how I can't wait to start in school again. So many pranks to be pulled.

>>2763409
Holy shit, you are my hero. I wish I had the balls to do that.

Good god /sci/ is bad at intuitive reasoning.

It's an opinion. You're supposed to assume that these lines are being spoken to you. If I walked up to you and said "Everyone likes John's shirt", you would hopefully realize that that was my opinion.

Here's a good way to decide whether something is opinion or fact. If the presence of a speaker is irrelevant, then it's a fact. If the presence of a speaker is relevant, then it's opinion. Hint: this is the difference between subjective and objective.

>>2763426
If you know how to not leave a trace and pokerface, then you don't need the balls.

Also, I act like a friendly nerdy guy. Nobody would ever suspect me.

How does John's shirt look?

>>2763445
His shirt has a pink unicorn firing rainbows out of its ass on it.

It's an engineering class.

>Spelling test in 3rd grade
>study my ass off
>KNOW I aced it
>get it back, 62%
>THE FUCK?
>teacher says "I can't tell if those are 6's or b's"
>Hated life ever since

>2nd grade
>swears
>teacher asks if i just used the word "fuck" as a adjective
>I say no i actually used it as an adverb
>get sent home

>>2763481
I fucking hate teachers like this. They're scum of the earth.

Rather than open communication and solve the minor problem, accepting that the student obviously meant one thing and just has bad hand writing that needs to improve, let's just give him a black mark. Negative reinforcement always works, especially when they never know what they're going to be shocked for!

>>2763505
I fucking lol'd.

John here,

>>2762223
Is my shirt really that ugly?

>>2763521
Same teacher:
>Grades everyone on the cleanliness of their desk
>says she will dump any desk that fails inspection
>everyone passes but me
>she literally dumps my desk over on it's side, spilling my shit everywhere and breaking some of my stuff
>makes me sit on the floor the rest of class, then stay after class to clean up the mess she made
>I wonder why I did so poorly in school that year...must be ADHD

jfcjgdtgd

>>2763568
>it's side
>it is side
0/100 see me after class

>>2763568
Ugh, I had a teacher like that. She forced me into playing piano at our middle school graduation, and then when I started, she said "By the way, there are refreshments over there. Feel free to grab a bite to eat" so everyone started talking and shit while I was trying to play. I raged and left before I got my certificate. Shitty school was shitty.

>>2763586
lol, fail grammar 101

>>2763586
I had a situation like that back in trig. As I recall, throughout the entire problem I had been correctly writing 2^x. At the very bottom, I end up writing something that looks close to 2x rather than 2^x, sloppy handwriting.

The guy gives me 0 credit, writes "2^x != 2x". He clearly saw what I meant, and marked me wrong based on penmanship.

>I ws talking with my mate.
>Maths teacher throwed me a chock
>It hurted

>we used to have a little celebration for each kid in elementary school for their birthday
>5th grade comes around, we're told they can't afford to do that anymore
>now we will have one big party for everybody!
>Oh wait, this is only for children who would have had their birthday DURING the school year
>three of us are forced to stay in the classroom with a teachers aide as the rest of the class has a party in the gym

>>2763606

>down syndrome

>2nd grade English class
>Free time, group of friends decide to draw dinosaurs
>Realize I suck at drawing immediately, try to look busy
>Take drawing home, convince Mom drawing is "homework for parents" assigned by teacher
>Mom went to art school and professionally paints
>Bad-ass dinosaur drawing acquired
>tell friends I drew it, they get jello
>mf

>>2763614
who was running this school? the stasi?

>>2763614
Wow

>Year 11 biology
>teacher apparently has a degree in zoology
>one day teaching us about evolution or similar
>holding Gorilla skull
>Some particularly stupid student gets confused over the small size of the skull, asks the teacher where the brain goes
>teacher replies after a moment that it sits on top of the skull, surrounded by muscle
>mfw he's actually completely serious

and another time, the same class:

>looking at a blood sample under a microscope
>hundreds of smaller red blood cells with a few larger white blood cells
>the teacher repeatedly calls and labels the cells the wrong way around, calling the white blood cells red blood cells and vice versa
>gets corrected by another bio teacher who came into the class room for some reason
>my teacher tries to pass it off as a mistake anyone could make

>>8th grade chemistry
>>Teacher says there are 4 states of matter
>>Clearly remember Einsteinium Condensate Bose or something
>>She thinks I made that up because she'd never heard of it
>>Pretty sure she hated me all year

> Have to write a essay about Mozes for religion class
> Get bitching about the shit isn't even proven
> Bitch about the killing of the Egyptian children and other plagues
> Bitch the shit out of all the weird stuff
> End up with a great essay
> get an freaking 1, it's like a F
> ask why, get told it slanders gods name
> mfw I live in Holland, attend a 'religion free' - highschool
> MY FUCKING FACE WHEN!!!!!!!
> troll principal, get A

>>2763438
>It's an opinion. You're supposed to assume that these lines are being spoken to you.
then every statement is an opinion unless you verified it beforehand

Physics class
>Teacher puts a device on the front desk with two electrodes one on a slider.
>Asks for volunteers to see how close they can push together electrodes.
>Volunteer (not me) tries moves slider but only gets a couple of cm.
>Teacher laughs and said my daughter did better than that.
>I try to man up and volunteer.
>As soon as I touch electrodes teacher bumps the device.
>Slider moves to about 2/3 max (6cm or so).
>Arms get thrown back.
>FUCK that hurt.
>Class laughs.
He was a fucking cool teacher and a real inspiration who gave me my passion for physics.

>>2763767
so, you were supposed to write a paper on moses, and you just spent the entire thing bashing how it couldn't be true?

are you retarded?

>>2763934
No, I started by pointing that out. Then I went on saying: if it did happen as the bible tells us it's sick. Or if it's a metaphor it tells us not to rebel against (higher) authorities even when they are wrong.

(see, if I only had to bitch about it never happening, I couldn't have bitched about the weird stuff and killings and shit like that, but then hey! what if I'm retrded it might have influenced the way I thought my post would be interpreted)

Oh look at my, explaining myself like an autistic dick :D

>in 5th grade
>female teacher talking about states of matter, gas, liquid, solid
>super aspie, awkward nerd kid blurts out "wrong, there's plasma"
>teacher "that doesn't exist"
>class laughs at aspie kid
>aware of what plasma is due to sci fi reading, but don't say anything
>kids from class mock kid in a nerdy voice the rest of the year saying 'wrong there's plasma' whenever he walks by

>>2763991
at least he didn't say "wrong, there's bose-einstein condensate"

>>2762375
>>2762375
>>2762375
>>2762375
>>2762375
Holy shit my 5th grade teacher did that. Were we in the same school?

>>2762370

Oh you Americans and your lack of credit for actual working.

>>2762370
Your professor/TA is a faggot.
Also shows that you don't have a very deep understanding if you couldn't decide of related rates.

HOLY FUCK YOU PEOPLE ARE RETARDED.

IT LACKS CONTEXT AND SO COULD BE EITHER AN OPINION OR A FACT YOU FUCKTARDS.

IF YOU TALK IN THE CONTEXT OF THE SHIRT BEING NICE, THEN WHAT PEOPLE SAY IS AN OPINION. IF YOU TALK ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE ARE SAYING, IF THEY ALL SAID IT IS NICE THEN IT IS OBVIOUSLY A FUCKING FACT THAT ALL OF THEM SAID IT IS NICE.

tl;dr it is an opinion or a fact depending on the context.

>12th grade extension English class
>talking about poetry, specifically a line: "the rain on the tin roof sounded like a machine gun"
>teacher asks about what the composer meant by this simile
>class of bright students give thoughtful answers about fear connotations and extending a war metaphor.
>teacher says they are wrong
>more good answers
>teacher still says wrong
>1/2 an hour later teacher explodes in exasperation: "ITS BECAUSE THE SOUND OF RAIN AND THE SOUND OF A GUN ARE SIMILAR"
>whole class fw

>>2763134

You just aptly demonstrated everyone's confusion:

The FACT is that every HAS an OPINION.

Fucking idiots.

another one

>5th grade
>boss at maths
>ace a quiz - sure of 100
>get 99.5
>look though quiz
>no dollar sign: -half a mark
>look a friends paper no $ and full marks for that Q

GRR

>Highschool physics
>Everyone turns in a big test
>Teacher grades them
>Everyone gets an F
>Answer key was to a different test
I was immensely relieved.

>>2762608
tell that cunt to inhale fucking chlorine. that's not only a gas, but an element unlike water

>>2763660

I lold'

>>2763614
I feel much better now - I was always disappointed my bday was in the holidays, but nothing like that happened to me

>Be in 7th Grade
>Have to write an essay about your future career
>I write that I want to be a 'design engineer'
>She marks me wrong as 'designer/engineer'
>Speak to her about the fact that design engineers are specific roles
>But be 11 years old so can't explain well
>She doesn't stand down
>Makes me feel like the idiot

Still bugs me.

>>2764180
They expect you to have your career figured out in the 7th grade? What the fuck?

I'm 20 and I still only have a vague idea of what I want to do with my life.

>>2764189

That's pretty normal in the UK

Great thing is i'm STILL following the path I wrote out 12 years ago.

>>2764000

i fuckin lol'd

>>2763114
was that mr murray

>required economics course
>teacher is a really stupid, really old cunt who treats the class like a bunch of elementary school students
>"The Russian economy is centrally planned"
>call her out on it
>"Well I'm not sure about that"
>say the president of Ukraine is Putin
>call her out on it
>"Well I'm not sure about that"
>exam
>she asks a question about the Federal Reserve
>I explain it simply as the "central bank"
>she takes off points because I don't call it "the central bank of the US" when it was completely fucking clear what I meant by context
>I call her out on it
>"You should be more specific next time"
>entire class complains about nitpicking bullshit like this
Jesus fucking christ I hated that cunt.

>>2764275

Nitpick yourself then.
Just blurt out some classic Hayek rebuttal everytime she says anything.

Hayek is econ. trolling masterclass.

"By boosting aggregate demand - "

"Ma'am, wouldn't that perturb price signals and bust the economy?"

" ... "

>>2763264
Both.

>>2764275
The scary thing about history and gov/economy classes in high school is that the teachers don't realize that they are supposed to be interpretive and not factual.

>be in 10th grade
>have black headteacher
>go to library
>use a computer there
>as it's about to boot up, enter BIOS and set password protection
>expect to have a personal computer for rest of school
>get called out by headteacher, someone told her it was me
>IT technician there too, he can't figure out how to remove a BIOS password
>headteacher reprimands me for ten minutes whilst I stay calm and silent
>marches me into library
>makes me change password
>I get up, start to walk away
>she asks what the password was
>I turn my head, look her in the eyes and tell her the password
>she visibly rages as I walk out of the library
>the password was 'nigger'
>mfw

>Sitting, bored out of my skull, in Human Communications, which is required of all majors
>Teacher's talking about different mediums for communication
>Comes to computers
>"Does anyone know what digital means?"
>Raise my hand; he calls on me.
>"Represented by numbers, where the placement changes their value." (Not the best answer, but the idea's there).
>He says I'm wrong.
>He says, "Digital means the information's in ones and zeros."
>I hate him with all of my hate.

>Chemistry class in high school
>Every experiment needs a short write up.
>Teacher randomly selects a range of students
>Don't bother to do write-ups. Ever.
>Teacher notices.
>I want last names ?~? + me. Every single time.
>Get a 1/10 (= minimum), every single time.

>Physics experiment, also need to do a write-up.
>Cool teacher, informs the class who will be picked next time.
>Decide to do physics, and chemistry as well, as I'm doing hw anyway.
>Accidentally give chem write-up to physics teacher.
>He doesn't notice.
>In chem class, give physics write-up to chem teacher.
>He notices, and thinks I'm trying to cheat.
>Gives me 0/10 (doesn't even exist).

>mfw

Got 26 1's that year.

Not read through the whole thread, so I apologise if this has already been put to bed.

>Everyone likes John's shirt

It is a fact that they hold that opinion.

Whether they like it? Their opinion. But the fact is the statement of that opinion.

>>2763505
>>2763505

Love it.

>>2762411
The fuck they can't.
>It is my opinion that the internet does not exist.
>It is my opinion that opinions are always right.
>It is my opinion that two things plus two things is ten things.

>>2762373
Aint circlejerking fun?

>>2764486
Opinions are deontic statements, and cannot be wrong. They can, however, contradict reality.
Factual statements are true or false regardless of the observer. A statement of which no one knows the validity can still be a factual statement.
"Everyone likes that Johns shirt" is clearly a factual statement; even though no one can observe others opinions. It is not an objective statement, though, as it does contain deontic operators.

>11th grade Psychology class
>Teacher has a riddle of sorts
>Says "If anyone answers this correctly, they get an A for the rest of the year and don't have to do homework"
>Problem supposedly requires you to think like a sociopath
>I answer correctly
>"Lol anon, it's a joke because you'd have to think like a sociopath to get it right, haha."
>No A
>mfw

>>2764494
Contradicting reality is wrong. The internet DOES exist, your opinion is incorrect, etc.

>>2764496
That's when you have to make your point.

Preferably, with a very sharp knife.

About 30 times.

Into the thoracic cavity.

>>2764515
I'm not a sociopath, I just apparently have the capacity to think like one. Wanted my A dammit.

>in Primary 3 or 4, so like 6 or 7 years old
>We all wait in the gym connecting to the dinning room for lunch
>Teacher decides to make it fun and send people in based on their first initial
>My name's William.
>Last one left in the gym, crying my eyes out because I was so hungry while the teacher tries to guess my first initial.
>Food was cold by the time she guessed.
>Changed my name when I turned 14

Sad Panda

>>2764502
>It is my opinion that the internet does not exist.
That's not an opinion, it is a random string of characters. You either meant:
>It is my believe that the internet does not exist.
That's a doxastic statement; they can be wrong.
or you meant:
>It is my opinion that the internet should not exist.
That's a deontic statement. I would disagree with it with all my heart, but it's not wrong.

>>2764515
at the hearing:
>she told me to think like a sociopath
releasedlol

>>2764529
Even if you're a psychopath (which is already a dubious conclusion), if you got it right, you should still get an A. Being a psychopath has nothing to do with having the correct answers.

>In chemistry class
>Around 12 or 13 years old
>Boiling some water for an experiment
>Ask teacher "Why does it form bubbles?"
>Everyone laughs at me including teacher
>Once laughter dies down my best friend asks the same question
>Teacher says he doesnt actually know (fucking dickhead laughing at me to cover up his lack of knowledge)
>5 years later learn about vapour pressure

>>2764529
>>2764515
>>2764496
what was the question?

>>2764532
>yfw bill

>>2762969
my god you're a fucking stupid idiot.

>>2764515
sociopaths still care about what happens to themselves, like if they have to go to prison and get gangfucked in there.

tl;dr: you're a fucktarded 10 year old and have no idea what a sociopath really is.

>>2764581
Tell it to my KNIIIIIIIFE!

>essay for english
>suck at essays
>friend sends me his
>use babelfish translator
>english into chinese then back into english
>go through and change retarded grammatical errors and switch around paragraphs
>Get highest possible grade
>feels good man

>>2763481

6's or b's..... never laughed so hard in my life

>english test in high school
>can't think of anything for last question
>running out of time
>scribble down lyrics to 'The Zephyr Song' by RHCP
>get results back 2 weeks later
>teacher deducted 1 mark for misspelling 'Zephyr'

>>2764631

>Make experiment.
>Finish experiment just in time.
>Finishing the protocol shouldn't be homework now.
>Teacher angrily marks a word in the protocol she doesn't like.
>Ask something about a misunderstanding regarding the way the aperture functions in retrospect.
>Teacher gets more angry.
>Teachers asks me something about a formula.
>I say it's a relativistic calculation of energy.
>Teacher gets angrily rhetorically asks me 'Relativistic?!'
>Teacher rejects reviewing my protocol.
>I'm supposed to come two weeks later.
>My colleague who performed the experiment with me is reviewed.
>Teacher angrily claims he has copied from my protocol.

>Me silently raging over the teacher's attitude, since my colleague hasn't copied a single word from me.

>At home. Reading literature. Turns out the equation for the Energy is indeed referred to as an relativistic equation.
>Also turns out that the word I used she didn't liked was indeed used in literature.
>Also turns out that my misunderstanding was of a simple nature.

>>2764631
>lend homework to friend to copy
>he gives it to his dumbass friend to copy
>his friend gets caught copying
>I'm ordered to write an essay on plagiarism
>copy essay from the internet

>>2764660
cool teacher.

>be in second grade
>question on exam asks for the number of chefs a restaurant needs
>answer comes out to 4.67
>Mark down 4.67 because i'm in 2nd grade
>Only question I get wrong
>I ask the teacher, and she says "You can't have part of a chef!" in front of the whole class
>Feel like an idiot

>be in 5th grade
>math teacher during lecture says "don't let front-end estimation confuse you! It's very simple."
>Teacher never explains front-end estimation
>Only question I get wrong on the test
>Remember it for the rest of my life

>Be in 10th grade
>English teacher assigns this short weird type of poem, using as much imagery as possible, and starting with the phrase "right now".

(Ex: Right now, giant babbys with flowing hair and aids tentacles sing with the beating heart of a thousand bustling nations)

>English department picks a winner from grade 10 after everyone selects their best
>The winner had a completely unique poem from everyone else, because it had zero fucking imagery

it was like "Right now, will never be lived again, because right now is already in the past and....whateverthefuck". It wasn't a bad poem, it just DIDN'T FOLLOW THE ASSIGNMENT

>be pissed
>i wanted mine to win
>i mad

>>2764681

>Two weeks later.
>Sitting in a boring math class, reading instead a few books just to be prepared for being asked out soon.
>Friend of mine says I'm putting too much effort in the protocol.
>I'm going to the teacher.
>She draws down a collision diagram since she claims she is trying to keep it simple.
>I'm supposed to explain it.
>I refer to conservation of momentum and say all momenta before the collision must equal those after the collision.
>She asks why.
>I'm being confused since I recited Newton's 1st Law of motion which is a fundamental law for inertial frames.
>Instead of momenta I now say "the vector lengths" before and after the collision must equal.
>She is a way more happy now.
>Says she's still not satisfied with my words.
>She angrily says the momenta splits into the angles.
>Me actually thinking this was obvious when I'm talking about vector lengths.
>Figuring out later that although her "practical explanations" are true statements, the entire propositional logic was fundamentally fucked up.

>in high school
>teacher teaches us that sqrt of a number, e.g 4 is +/- 2
>forget this on exam
>do not get A
>start college
>is taught math from a pro teacher
>learn that sqrt of a number is defined to only return the positive root, e.g sqrt(4) = 4
>learn that x^2 = 4 -> x=+/- 2, but that does not mean that sqrt(4) = +/- 4
>rage

>>2764715
>(sqrt) 4 = +/- 4

>physics I
>pop quiz
>one question regarding angular momentum
>prof. spent maybe 2 minutes on the subject the week before
>anon did not study and is fucked
>spend entire time working the problem
>last one still working on it
>prof says "if you don't have it by now, you'll never get it."
>finish equations, hand it in, knowing it's got to be wrong
>prof grades pop quiz
>"Only one person in class got it right."
>mfw it was me
>makes the rest of the class re-take it and I was excused to go home
>feltgoodman.jpg

>mfw i have no face

>>2764715

Oh America, you make me laugh. I learnt that in year 10 (Britfag here).

>project about subject of choice; choose electromagnetism
>fail experiment because the school doesn't have the proper equipment
>decide to do a theoretical paper
>level of math far beyond what we are being taught
>only get 9 out of 10 because I didn't do a goddamn experiment
>teachers announce prize for best science project
>awarded to some emo for writing a shit paper about psychology, with the conclusion being incoherent bullshit

IT'S NOT EVEN A GODDAMN SCIENCE

I FUCKING MAD

>>2764839
What if I told you it is science? Psychology is science. If you don't understand, that's ok as I can help you as I know lots about science, and thus, psychology

>>2762471
You're quite wrong about Descartes. See "clear and distinct perceptions" in the Meditations. Descartes thought all of science would be certain knowledge. He was wrong.

>in uni
>physics class professor raging about the vast majority of students not following directions.
>berating class about their ineptitude steming from an inability to follow directions
>Ilikewherethisisgoing.jpeg
>gives us a sudden pop quiz the next day
>read the directions, in big font it says "READ EVERY QUESTION CAREFULLY BEFORE ANSWERING"
>Ilikewherethisisgoing.bmp
>read first question. not physics related all.
>skip a few read some middle question, something about an instruction to stand up and rub your tummy.
>lol.gif
>skip to last question. reads: If you did any of the previous questions before reading all the directions you just failed this quiz.
>turn in blank sheet, walk out like a boss.
>next day he berates the 98% of class that failed the quiz, who performed all the stoopid instructions and problems then tried to hide it by erasing.
>commends me and my broseph friend.
>ourfaceswhen

>>2764839
>It's not a science because he beat me! I'm always supposed to win! MOMMY IT ISN'T FAIR!

>>2764715
square root always returns positive, but you always stick +/- in front of it because otherwise algebra gets broken.

>>2762540
Descartes was not a solipsist. The Meditations has 6 books. If you don't read the whole thing you're not going to know how it comes out.

>already know everything the teacher is telling us.
>sleep through class and never bother with homework.
>get >90% on all tests and quizzes.
>teacher gives me a 64% average because I have low "participation" and homework scores.
>65% is passing.

Mary Mothersill, late professor of philosophy at Barnard College, highly esteemed academic, accused a friend of mine of plagiarizing a paper. Her only evidence? It was too good to have been written by a college student. His reply: he wrote it, and he couldn't prove the negative claim that he didn't plagiarize it. She wasn't convinced. Her solution? She gave him a B+.

>>2764882
>don't do work
>get mad when fail
what? I'm glad you failed.

One particular design professor of mine who was a horrible walrus pulled aside one student and insisted that she had someone else do her assignment because it was "too good to be her work." Of course, the claim wasn't true.

What an awful, terrible bitch.

>>2764882
Sounds like you deserved it, bro.

>>2764910
>>2764905

my mistake, I thought I was in a history class, not a talking and busywork class.

>second grade, our teacher has us write reports on animals to be selected from a hat
>I pull ants, a topicI was quite interested in and had actually read a few books about as well as entries in every existing english encyclopedia (there was no internet)
>I type up a report and feel good that my usually scowling teacher will like what I have written, I provided all the basic information about ants that I could remember.

>The next day the teacher goes on a long rant about plagarism, looking at me the entire time. She asks if anybody understands what the words "Thorax" and "Abdomen" mean
>I say nothing, I feel so bad I just want to disapear

After class she tells me its wrong to copy reports from books, and that I had gotten it wrong anyways and that ants did not have any kind of acid in their bodies and they certainly could not squirt it. I tried to correct her about the various functions and prevelence of formic acid and she told me to stop lying and cut me off.

SO on one hand she was accusing me of copying from books and in the same conversation, acuses me of making things up.

It was a simple little fucking report on ants. And I certainly did not copy any bit of it, I never did things like that, I did my homework in front of my parents at the kitchen table, and they would have picked up on my doing so.

I still feel shitty about it to this day, even though it was decades ago and the teacher is likely dead now.

>teacher asks cryptic question to which the answer is marco polo
>no-one puts up hand
>put up hand
>"not you", and then tells answer to class

>teacher getting everyone to read aloud from a story
>goes through the class one by one in seating order with my bench last
>goes down my bench
>kid to my left reads
>expect my name to be called
>calls out name of kid at the far right end of my bench
>starts working towards me from the other end of the bench
>kid to my right reading
>expect my name to be called next
>lets kid beside me finish the story and then moves onto something else.

>teacher writes sums on board
>one of them is apparently "1 + 1"
>starting to develop near-sightedness and really should have glasses but scabby parents would rather wait 6 months for "free govenment test" to save an irrationally small amount of money, leaving me unable to see the whiteboard properly.
>take it down wrong.
>teacher calling out answers
>"who got this one wrong? (cue laughing from class)"
>me and some other kid put up hands
>other kids excuse: "took it down wrong"
>my excuse: "I couldn't see it properly, and as a result took it down wrong"
>teacher rages "Why do you always have something else to blame. Why can't you just accept responsibility for your mistakes like everyone else"
>wtf?

>Teacher bullshitting a topic (forget what)
> "so does that clear everything up for everyone"
> I put up my hand
>teacher ignoring me and it's getting frustrating so i start saying what i have to say anyway
>teacher cuts into me mid-sentence and says "I don't care"

>>2764909
Same teacher:

Once there was a terrible blizzard, but I and two other students decided to wait far past the "15 minute late no-class period" for her to show up. After 45 minutes she showed up, and proceeded to berate us.

>what in the hell?

>>2764914
Antisemite detected, thread reported.

>9th grade physical science class
>Teacher asks "What would happen if you dropped a rock on the moon?"
>Multiple students answer to the effect of "It floats away into space"
>"Correct!"
>NO IT FUCKING ISNT FJSDLJGAPFSJO

> Biology teacher in high school tells us salamanders are reptiles
> I say it's wrong, it's amphibian
> Debate broke out, everyone in the classroom sides with the teacher, I'm apparently "too stupid to figure it out."

>>2764916

>kid asks teacher "which has land underneath it, the arctic or the antarctic?"
>teacher answers "it must be the arctic because of FINLAND"
> dissagree with teacher and say that the question must have meant "poles" and that the south pole clearly has a continent whereas the north pole is just sea ice (i say it in a tone that's implies "how the fuck do you not know about antarctica?").
>teacher says "do you think you know more than me?
>"do you want to teach the class?"
>try to explain that just because i know one thing he doesn't doesn't mean i know more than him
>obviously it doesn't work because at lunch everyone is like "i can't believe you think you know more than the teacher".


>teacher asks "what was the best invention ever (as if it's an objective fact)
>his opinion- the wheel
>my opinion- language
>he says "language wasn't "invented" it was always around"
>class laughs at me
>mfw they're all creationists despite none of them being from anywhere near as religious a background as me


also he used to steal my pencils when they fell on the ground (i'd only ever have one so it was annoying)
and he used to pick his nose and flick it when he thought no-one was looking.

I spent pretty much the whole year at the "bold table". Half of the time i didn't deserve it >:(.
He was a prick though, all the other primary school teachers i had seemed to like me.

>Middle school English class
>Reading "A Wrinkle in Time"
>Teacher starts talking about tesseracts and dimensions and shit as if the book was based off of fact
>I didn't know any better
>Now realize that the teacher was full of shit

>Post-grad CFD course
>Lecturer talking about the 3 characteristic waves that propagate over time
>I ask lecturer to further explain the physical significance of them
>He replies "Like waves in the sea"
>mfw >:(
>Everyone else in lecture is stunned but not sure if about his response or the implied idiocy of my question
>Hate him for rest of time

Grr.

>Have awful ear infection, can't hear shit because of it
>on antibiotics that practically put me into a slumber
>still have to go to school because I already had 9 absences and after 10 they kick you out
>explain to all my teachers that my medicine makes me very drowsy and I can't hear very well
>all my teachers still complain about me falling asleep in class, being very loud when spoken to, and not paying attention.
>get detention at the end of the day
>dad can't pick me up now
>sick, out of medicine, teacher complains about me still being on campus
>Walk home because I have no other choice
>get picked up by the cops for being a 13 year-old walking down a highway
>get yelled at by my parents and teachers
Felt like a fucking Steve Martin movie.

>>2763767
You're an asshat. You were supposed to treat the character of Moses as a character from a story. It doesn't matter whether he existed or not. You know, write about what the story says, then maybe present what you think things are supposed to mean, then maybe your opinions on how likely this could have happened.

Seems to me like that'd be like refusing to write a paper on A Christmas Carol because you know it didn't happen.

>>2764961
>Seems to me like that'd be like refusing to write a paper on A Christmas Carol because you know it didn't happen.

Sir, I lol'd

>Doing religion test
>couldn't give a fuck
>write short essay explaining that jews cut off their babies' cocks at 7 days old and they can't eat pigs because that's cannabalism

>get 35%

Reading this thread makes me feel like I lucked out getting a regular education... If I outsmarted my teachers they were either happy about it, or discussed the situation. The closest I came to any crazy shit was in Biology when the teacher gave us a genetics question that was intended to be answered as "impossible to solve" some kind of relatively complicated genetics thing in my final year. Her husband was the dude who taught me advanced maths and she just confirmed with him that I was correct, rather than just believing me.

>>2764863
>berating people over erased answers
>gives ambiguous instructions

Sounds like your teacher was quite the fool.

If any of you know the names of the teachers who were such dumbasses in this thread, you should look them up and email them about this -- if not only for yourself then out of the slim hope that they might listen and not teach that misinformation anymore.

This thread makes me wish I had trained to be a science teacher, just so I could try to be better than these ones who think they know everything when they don't.

>>2765000
You say that as if you couldn't just google around for a teaching crash course, invest 2-3 days, get a bachelors equivalent and be on your merry way. The world is desperate for teachers, they'll practically suck your dick just to accept the degree.

>>2765018
And then, at least in Maryland, USA, the education standards are so shoddy that you get COLLEGE STUDENTS who think that the Sun can go between the Earth and the Moon.

I could give you a long list, but it's the only one I can translate to english:

>Highschool
>Have my mother as sport teacher (and almost had my dad as a math teacher)
>Pick "climbing", cause me and my friend have been training on the highschool wall for 2 years and we know how to do it easily.
>Despite having around 10-12 in sport (out of 20) for all my school years, I know this time, when it will matters (it's the grade that will count a little for my finals), I know I will kick ass.
>Do the fucking wall like a boss, complete it fast, without getting tired because I know all the good spots.
>"You didnt use all the spots you could. I give you 17"
>"wtf? I didnt needed to use those tiny piece of shit, I'm the tallest motherfucker, I did that shit in the easiest way my size allowed me to, I deserve at least 19"
>"Nope, it's how we rate students"

It's been 5 years now, but shit, every time I visit my parents, I remind her that she took me 2 points I deserved.

Also
>Last highschool year
>Philosophy class
>Nobody gives a fuck, we spend all the class playing or reading Pratchett.
>Sometimes, stop reading, ask a question
>I was not very bright, but the philosophy teacher neither, and it was like two idiots strugling with ideas far over their heads.
>It was pretty fun.

>>2762293
>>highschool chem final

Okay kids tell me the radioactive decomposition rate of so and so elements

Now give me the density of this object if given this amount of moles

Name me the seven noble gases

Tell me which way does ionization rate go in the periodic table

Tell me which way does energy go

TL:DR

You lucky bitch I actually had to study chemistry in highschool. It was fun but not ballsa at all

>>2765023

A win for multiculturalism. They are allowed to become history teachers now.

>>2765023
... Heard of a lunar eclipse bro?

Seriously though that would be so retarded that I don't actually believe you.

>>2765038
By "they" I assume you mean the culture of idiots.

>>2765046
You may not have been on when I posted exam answers. "Draw a lunar eclipse" resulted in around five diagrams either placing the Sun in the middle, or putting them in the correct order but with the moon on a superior planetary orbit, independent of the Earth (the eclipse occurs when they are in a line).

>Captcha: "noteetai trol)"
>not trol
>feelsbadman.jpg

>get answer right
>get no credit
>ask why
>my proof isn't the way the teaher taught it

>>2765055
That's... That's just amazing. I fucking love stupid people, not only do they have the most novel ideas but you can trick them into doing almost anything.

>Science class in grade 6
>Cool as fuck science teacher (my favorite)constantly gives us these design challenges, and rewards the winner of a tournament of sorts.
>Clearly remember this one project where we had to build a shell around an egg, made out of things like paper cups, tooth picks, hot glue and string.
>I'm working by myself
>Against this group of 5 guys that apparently are really smart and from the Advanced-placement team
>The test for our shell was to drop a heavy dodge ball from the height of 5 feet, onto the egg and the survivor wins.
>At the end, it was only me and the team of nerds
>He then tells us the one that weighs less, wins.
>MFW I lost because mine weighed .2 grams more.
>mfw I didn't get the mini-treasure chest filled with chocolates.

:((((((

>>2765060
... Your teacher teaches you a proof then asks you to submit a proof of the same thing? Not only that but requires you to plagiarize the proof given? I'm assuming we're talking maths here, but I didn't think there was such a thing as a mathematician who was that stupid.

>>2765073
I'm not saying that you should memorize scales of the universe, but when your calculation for the semi-major axis of Io around Jupiter is over 100 AU, then you done goofed.

Also:
>Q: "Why do greenhouse gases only trap outgoing radiation, not incoming?"
A: "The radiation does get trapped into Earth's atmosphere at first because gravity helps to push the particles into penetrating the Earth, going into the ocean & surfaces & then finally releasing back out."

>>2762181

I understand what you mean and you are right. "Everyone likes John´s shirt" is a statement. If it is true, it is a fact.

An opinion would be "Everyone should like John´s shirt".

>intro physics with calc
>most of the class gets A's on first test
>professor posts discussion asking for feedback on whether class should be made more challenging
Did he seriously expect someone to answer in the affirmative?

>>2765074

If i was the teacher, i´d have seperated the price. weighing less wasn´t one of the initial conditions. He ripped you off.

>>2765046
>lunar eclipse
>sun between Earth and Moon

wat

>>2765093
Some people prefer to actually gain something from education.

>Be in middle school
>Doing math
>Fucking jotting down the answers like a smart sun-of-a-bitch I was
>Go over each answer just to be sure
>Give it to teacher
>Get a fucking 0/100
>"You didn't write out the equation, how do I know you weren't cheating"?
>Show her how I do math in my mind
>Still get a zero
>MFW

>>2764124
Tonight, her

>>2765098
I would have split the prize, since both contestants won.

But I suppose if you MUST have a tiebreaker, efficiency would be the way to go. Lighter wins :-/

>>2765110

Yeah that´s what i meant. Split the price. I´m retarded today.

>>2765101
>Attend reading comprehension class.
>No problem.

I fucking hate John's shirt. Your teacher was right, it's not fact.

>>2765105
>>Used to be able to do that in middle school
>>Teachers would always gave bad grades if I didn't write out every step
>>eventually get used to this
>>eventually forget how to do speedy mental math
>>enter highschool
>>start struggling in precal and calculus

>>2765116

He might in that situation be right if he said it was not a fact, but he said it is an opinion, which is wrong.

>>2765122
Okay. What is the term for something that is patently NOT an opinion, but could be either true or false? Is it just "statement" or is there a fancier word?

>>2765124

Interesting question. I´d call it statement, as that´s what i learned in mathematics, but i´m far from sure.

>>2765131
The problem with that is that
"John's shirt is great"
is a grammatical statement.

>>2765154

Logical statement?

>>2765168
That may have to do. I was hoping more for a single word that will summarily place the stated class's/world's love for John's shirt outside the realm of opinion.

"It's NOT an opinion, it's a _____."
FACT? Not necessarily. FALSEHOOD? Not necessarily.

>>2765124
Factual statement.
To an 8 year old, you should probably just use the word 'fact' though.

>in English class (we learned English as a foreign language)
>it's the last class on Friday
>teacher gives us some "hard" material
>asks us to write down every word we don't know and translate it using a dictionary
>with the smuggiest voice possible he adds "if you finish before the class is over, hand your notebook to me and you can go"
>read the material
>write down a couple of words and translate them
>the whole thing took me about 10 minutes
>start packing my shit
>teacher asks me if I'm done already
>I say yes
>he replies with "oh okay, so you're lying. I expected this, it is Friday after all and my offer was quite lucrative. Sit down and finish the assignment or you will get an F" (he didn't say it in English but you get the idea)
>the girls in the front row start giggling
>I could just see that fucking smug bastard let out a smirk, he was so fucking proud of himself at that moment
>I say I'm not lying and that I've really completed the assignment
>he looks up to me again with his smug fucking face and says "okay, then you don't mind if I ask you to translate some words in this material?"
>I tell him to go ahead and ask
>he picked what he thought was probably the hardest word
>I translate it
>I could literally see his smug confidence drop at that point
>he asked me a few more words
>his tone got less playful and more serious with each time

Continued.

>Calc 1
>one of those bullshit "Here are 3 lines, find the area" questions
>Try question, something's wrong with the way I did it and I don't feel like going through it again
>Test doesn't specify "calculus only"
>Ask if there's a specific way we should solve the questions
>"Use any means necessary"
>Use trig to make triangles
>Question marked wrong
>Only one person got it "right" in the whole class (30 something people)
>That person was me
>There was a problem with the question
>Still didn't get credit
>MFW

>>2765192

>I knew the meaning to every word he asked me
>his face got redder and redder until he snapped in anger and went on some rant about how students don't respect teachers and how studying is important or something, he was making this shit up as he went
>by the end of his anger fueled rant that didn't really relate to what was happening he told me to sit down and handed me some textbook assignments
>I was quite baffled what a moron he is and started doing textbook assignments. I didn't exactly want to anger a teacher, moron or no moron, it's just not worth it to create a big school drama about it
>15 minutes later
>second person completes the assignment
>teacher says "well done" and lifts up his notebook and says "now this is how you are supposed to do it"
>clearly impressed by how many words his student didn't know and translated
>at this point I get fed up with this bullshit and ask how is this fair
>he gets angry and again and tries to explain that he took the assignment seriously
>I ask him how is already knowing most of those words "not taking the assignment seriously"
>he fucking loses it at this point and starts ranting about respect or some shit again

Continued

>>2765201

I'm not going to listen to this bullshit the second time
>I pack my shit and walk out, tossing my notebook on his table
>at this point I was pretty sure he was holding himself back not to physically attack me
>he starts yelling shit like "Where do you think you're going?!" etc.
>I don't even acknowledge him at this point and walk out
>get a call from the principal a few hours later asking me why I walked out of his class
>I tell the principal how the teacher had promised to let me go as soon as I was done with the assignment and how he went completely nuts
>principal says something vague about "respecting your teachers" and hangs up
>at this point I'm thinking the principal is just as fucking nuts as my English teacher
>Monday comes
>English class
>I'm frustrated as shit and ready to take this up with the superintendent if I have to
>English teacher ignores me for the duration of the class and everything is like it never happened

I figure he realized what an idiot he was and just dropped the whole matter. It was never spoken of again. He pretty much ignored me for the rest of the school year. Thank god it was the last year of high school too.

>5th grade
>assigned some book report
>read the entire book in one day
>come back the next day with nothing to do, everyone else is still reading their books
>Teacher starts yelling at me about being lazy and doing work.
>I tell her that I already read my book and took the quiz she assigned over it
>she doesn't believe me
>sends me to the office for lying.

>6th grade, terrible math teacher
>she gets things wrong all the time, not just mixing up numbers, but incorrectly teaches equations and rules
>get sent to the office twice in the first week for "disobedience" I.E. correcting the teacher.
>from that point on, spend my time in the class just learning out of the book.
>end of the year and standardized test time.
>I'm the only person in the entire 6th grade that makes 100% on the math section.
>teachers has the gall to parade me in front of the class and faculty about how I'm her "prodigy."

>9th grade, writing some essay, at some point in the paper have Its it's."
>get a 98 on the essay
>I explain to the teacher that one of the its is a possessive form, and the other is a contraction.
>"Nice try buddy, but I'm not going to fall for that"

>mfw

in like 5th grade i had an argument with a girl from my class about wether or not humans where animals too. I was absolutely certain of this. We asked a teacher, because back then, we accepted the words of the teacher, as truth. She, the teacher, said humans and animals were 2 different things.

i got bullied in front of the entire class

also, the teacher was a religion teacher..

<.<

>9th grade biology
>teachers gives a 30 minutes rant about his personal problems with the theory of evolution before teaching it to the class.

>>2765115
I think that perhaps you instead require some.

>>2765210

First one happened to me. I still fucking rage if i think about GODDAMMIT. I hate most teachers.

>>2765229

Don´t make him responsible for your failure, please.

>>2765220
>Humans are mammals
>everyone above kindergarten knows this

>>2765240
Very subtle.

But would you care to explain my error? You see, I dislike making mistakes, and would like to take note of this for the future.

>>2765247

Sure no problem, it´s pretty simple.

He was using sarcasm and you failed to notice that.

Don´t worry, i won´t judge you for it, i wasn´t aware of that in the first moment either.

>>2762375
Something pretty much like this happened to me in sixth grade. Everyone "got a 1 out of 10".

>>2762375

My teacher did this shit too.

I was so fucking angry that I ate the test. I'm not even kidding. I took that piece of paper, crumpled it up, put it in my mouth, and swallowed it.

I had issues back then.

>>2763505
LOLd made my day

>Teacher dictates random words to check if we have ortographical errors
>She dictates "conscience"
>In Spanish, it's alright to write either "conciencia" or "consciencia"
>I write the latter
>Marked as wrong
>Shove the dictionary in her face, show her it's ok to write it with "sc"
>Still tells me it's wrong
>mfw

>10th grade english
>grammar quiz
>consists of write sentence containing X type of clause
>for some arbitrary reason all sentences must be about the book we are reading in class.
>directions say "no opinions"
>last section, cannot think of any of required clauses that both involve said book and aren't opinions
>5 minutes left
>go to teacher and ask in no uncertain terms "Can I use opinions here?"
>teacher: "Yes"
>everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpg
>put things such as 'this book was terrible' as book was terrible.
>get test back
>97/100
>last section circled
>"-3 not what I expected"
>wat
>bring it up when we are going over test
>argue for 20 minutes
>teacher says to my face it was because I didn't like your opinions
>RAAGGEEE
>no one else cares because I am in the failure english class due to schedule conflict with AP history. "you got a 97 I got a 30 stfu"
>go to principle later
>show him test, seems to take this very seriously
>next day, English class, teacher give me back test I gave to principle "I think you forgot this"
>go to principle, ask what the fuck
>Explains that there was just a misunderstanding, wasn't supposed to use opinions on test
>teacher trollface.jpg

I still have that test somewhere; occasionally consider finding that teacher and slashing her tires or breaking a few windows or something. Maybe a brick with "you know what you did" on it.

>>2765242
well, not in this case <.<

>>2765257
I didn't notice at first glance either (and I posted the MD comment in the first place).

Luckily, I remembered that I had the ability to read the second sentence, and teased out that the first sentence was sarcasm.

>>2765124
>>2765131
>>2765168
>>2765185
>>2765188
I would say "proposition," but I'm a damned philosopher, so I would use "objective claim" to distinguish from "subjective claim."

On the other hand, if I were talking to one of these dumbasses who think "I like John's shirt" is an opinion then it wouldn't matter what I called it, because they would never understand. "I like John's shirt" is a way for me to express my opinion, but if I like his shirt, then it's a fact that I like his shirt.

>I make a quiet comment about how a friend "plays with himself all the time"
>Teacher sentences me to write an essay on how I know that
>I actually write the essay, complete with interviews, anecdotes, and citations
>Essay circulates through school and makes me celebrity overnight
>Principal "not pleased" with the ordeal

>In bullshit catering class
>Someone throws dough at me
>Proceed to chase him round the room with a giant carving knife
>Teacher walks in, rages
>Banned from using knives
>Same lesson, cutting a pork chop with a spatula
>"Why aren't you using a knife?"

mfw

>>2765374
And if I were to say that you don't like John's shirt, I would be wrong. Opinions can't be proven right or wrong, so there's that.

>>2765188
I'm staunchly against teaching incorrect information though. Don't tell a student that you "can't" subtract a number from a smaller number. Don't tell them that you "can't" take a square root of a negative number.

You don't have to go into detail; you can just say "this is crap you learn at a higher grade," but simplifying it with the WRONG term is no good.

My favorite forgivable one was this:
> Calculus I
> Assignment is integration practice
> Teacher obviously rushed to make assignment because some don't work out easily.
> Get to "integrate sin(|x|)/log|x|"
> ...Class/Homework/Hours later...
> The next day teacher realizes that you can't give arbitrary integrals, because some are really hard.

I remember it to this day because I still can not solve that stupidly simple looking problem.

The source of rage:
> Algebra:
> Taught that factorizations of ax^2 + bx + c are always in the form (x +/- d)^2
> Teachers has chosen every problem in the course to nicely work out and doesn't actually teach us to factor polynomials.
> Gets fired for incompetence (wait for the rage)
> Gets hired by the high school next door and I have her again in Algebra II.
> Rage.

>>2765404
>Get to "integrate sin(|x|)/log|x|"
>Plugged into Mathematica
>Returns same exact term

Maybe "Abs[x]" is not proper code. I'll just use x...
>Returns same exact term

Damn, even Mathematica is stumped.

>>2765403
Unfortunately, the word "fact" is ambiguous in common usage between "true statement" and "state of affairs in the world." Thus, "the earth is round" is a sentence, a true sentence, thus is called a fact. But the state of affairs that the earth is round is not a sentence, yet we call it a fact as well. ["It is a fact that the earth is round" is ambiguous between that statement being true and the earth's being round.] I prefer to avoid the word "fact" without context for this reason.

>>2765412

It´s a indefinite integral, becasue at x=1, log(x) = 0. You´d have to provide boundaries like for example http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integrate+sin(|x|)/log(|x|)+from+2+to+infinity

>>2765305

A teacher tried something similar with me in 12th grade.
I flat out told him to his face that I was "Fucking sick of your bullshit and how you treat me like an ass" He flipped out at me and told me to get "get the fuck out" of his class and how he "fucking hates" me and all this other shit.
I emailed him a recorded version of his statements. (No demands at all attached)
I come back next semester and he treats me like a king. He doesn't make me take the tests, never marks me absent when I ditch and apologized repeatedly throughout the year.
I was a fucking asshole back then...

But anyway...
So I've got American parents and I'm living in France, I naturally speak English fluently.
In English (for French people) class my teacher would not shut the fuck up about my "horrible accent." I had the lowest grade in that class.
I was talking to a friend (at the fucking mall) about how she was a bitch.
I get told to stay after class. She takes me to the principal and I get suspended. -- Apparently she was behind me (At the mall!) when I said it.
She would always insist that absolutely everything I said from that point on was wrong. For example, in French you have to say "I think THAT you are wrong" in English you can say "I think you are wrong" she failed me on the final for writing that.

>teacher gives "boring" essay on "the problem of drugs"
>Write glorious essay outlining many different aspects of how the world would be a much better place if recreational drugs were regulated instead of being prohibited.
>Teacher somewhat taken aback that someone has put effort into one of her essays.
>Gives me an A.
>So proud i leave the essay on top of my wardrobe, intending to keep it (at least for a while).
>come home one day about two weeks later to find essay ripped up and in kitchen bin.

>parents worse than teachers :(.

Wow are you faggots still going on about john's shirt?

>In german class
>Have to write a short essay about my town
>My town is fucking boring
>Teacher says we can make stuff up
>I write obviously comical essay about things that are clearly not real
>Essay is the best in the class, technically
>Made to rewrite it because it's all lies

My german teacher was a legend though so I didn't rage too badly. The classes for language weren't done on ability, and we had some of the biggest pricks in the school in ours. I punched one in the face right in front of the teacher once and she didn't bat an eyelid

>>2765430
Actually, it's an indefinite integral because no bounds were given. You don't have to have a discontinuity to be indefinite.

>>2765430
Right but for the wrong reason. It's an indefinite integral because there are no limits to integration.
Regardless, many problems also have a indefinite solution (+/- some constant C).

>>2765487
Addendum: but, I do know what you >>2765430 are getting at.

>Captcha: "causl JEWRY"
>wat

>>2765487
>>2765497

I apologize for that mistake. I didn´t have any sleep last night and been working on some stuff.

You know what i mean though.

>>2765516
Yeah, what you said was correct.
The reason this is such a pain in the butt is that you could express the top in complex form and use a branch cut to avoid the singularity at 0, and integrate around the resulting helical surface...but because of the way it's written, you'd _still_ get the wrong answer.

>>2765374
it's funny, people are making this too hard. There is no objective test to determine a person's opinion. The statement is not verifiable. It's an opinion.

>>2765653
Sure there is. Ask them if they like it. They'll give you an answer that is either true or false.

It's not an opinion.

>>2765093

I would have. You should want extra motivation to work hard.

>>2765404

There is no standard answer:

http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=integral+sin%28x%29%2Fln%28x%29