/sci/ - Science & Math

feels good man

Was it a waste of time?

>>2751053
No, opposite.

What did you learn

there is this guy that claimed that he could go a lot of time without drinking or eating just because of his meditation, what do you think about it

>>2751068
A question with too broad of a response, to be short, that those thoughts/emotions attributed to being human nature to have are not human nature to have, possible to have, but not mandatory. Learned about and overcame the dual natures of the human existence. Pain has many levels, when the lesser pains that normal people live through are overcome, there are greater pains to overcome which leads to freedom. Those things I have just mentioned are meant to be very vague, but at least give you a glimpse. I would have to write you a book to cover the life changing realizations that I have had every day of my life. It is seemingly an unending upward spiral.

why?

>>2751073
Possible, metabolism is slowed tremendously in some states of meditation. Be careful when this is claimed, if it is a beginner he may be hurting himself.

>>2751057
it was a time of waste? that's an interesting way to look at your life

>>2751104
But then again, was he ever really living?

What is the inevitable final result of the human experience?

Do you have in mind some phrases or questions that you like the most or that you think that are very important to remember?

Do you have methods or anything in the like to filter out mature or people with great potential or anything similar? or is it stupid to do this?

Any books or movies you strongly recommend?

>>2751037
can we ever reverse entropy?

>>2751097

Before i started i had observed a very scientific life style, every where i turned i could not find things in which to increase my quality of life. I was distraught not only at my own failure to do so but also by others failure to do so. I had seen many increase their life value through lies but could see that they wished it was not lies. Around this same time i began to realize fully the rate of which things changed, a mind at conflict with the universe is a mind full of pain. I then realized after a long session of pondering that the only way to not be affected is to become nothing, a body, with a mind without conflict and from there i prayed to the powers that be. I searched and i found.

>>2751117
yes, entropy reverses all the time. go freeze some water in your freezer. voila. reversed some entropy.

but you probably meant in a closed system.

This thread is bombarded daily by kids who regret their choice to pursue an education in science. What advice would you give them?

>inb4 "meditate on it"

Pot. Discuss.

>>2751110
>>2751104
philosophy is the downfall of sensible logic, when abused by those without experience

>>2751115
Evolution

>>2751037
which drugs haven't you tried yet? and which would you recommend?

What value do you place on personal wealth?

What value do you place on broad economic growth?

>>2751116
If i were a teacher then i would not judge those who would come to learn, i would be unchanged if they were to come or to go, their advancement is dependent upon themselves and their minds their own.

>>2751127
They should do that which they like, there are too many who start on something they do not enjoy late in life and then think they are uncapable of learning something else

>>2751132
Like anything, moderation is key. Be mature enough to know when enough is enough based on the situation.

Got any tips? I just started

>>2751143
Situational, if i lived alone and were self substained, then it would be personal wealth. In a urban environment i would measure them the same so that i may keep my fellow man up.

What is the difference between the sexes?

>>2751169
Commitment, you do not get better at playing basketball by practicing here and there, in that way meditation and basketball are similar.

What brings you ball-splitting joy?

>>2751171
The body, the mind, a neccesary dual nature for the spark of life.

Meditating is awesome. Some very cool experiences can come from it, no, you don't have to be high.

Whats the point of meditation when you can receive all its effects from hypnosis?

Meditation is basically self-hypnosis in my eyes.

What makes a government legitimate? Is any form of government better than another?

Why? How will your meditation change anything?

Is your first name Dave?

>Why?

>>2751117
INSUFFICIENT DATA FOR MEANINGFUL ANSWER.

>>2751182
If you were to experience it you would find otherwise

>>2751192
Revise your question please, its unsure about what kind of anything you're talking about, how will it do anything for myself or for others?

>>2751136


Do you think meditation would lead humanity into evolution?

>>2751186
that which expresses the most maturity in its freedom, to explain, the original constitution of America is a good layout.
Please understand, i am not a politician, i can see which government would be best for the benefit of its peoples but i am unsure of the processes

If you could go back and chat with Jesus (or some other religious figure), what would you want to talk about?

>>2751228
Possible, there was a study in which a yale science team had three monks from the dali lama sent to them. In the study is was noted that there had been actual brain growth, a small brain growth in grey matter but when it comes to the brain, any kind of growth is notable.
I have also read about a team of scientists testing 200 random volunteers who had no spiritual practice were chosen to stay a week at a God man's ashram when the God man (itchyananda, may be spelling it wrong) proclaimed that merely staying there would have regenerative affects on the subjects. When the week was through 99% of the subjects displayed mitochondria activity 3x the norm.

>>2751258
to expand on that, scientific research of meditation is few and far between but every study i've read thus far displays interesting results

>>2751258
i was wrong in that last part, i just relooked it up and its 1300% mitochondria activity; the name is nithyananda

didn't read thread, but wondering. do you practice 'transcendental meditation' or any of its derivatives / commercial competitors?

tm.org

if so, i declare you a pseudo/sci/entist and a charlatan

>>2751251
i would observe his actions and then question him based on those actions.

>>2751280
Haha, i do not like the self proclaimed maharajah's scheme

>>2751206
Yes, Dave Davidson here

What type of meditation do you do?

I bet you're a real hit at parties

What do you think about Transcendental Meditation?

I practice TM everyday. I really think it generates positive energy through me to my surroundings.

>>2751291

i take back my insults, and i am jelly of your dedication.

>>2751116
quotes i love:
"To them that think themselves immortal, that dwell alway in eternity, conscious of Nuit, throned upon the chariot of the sun, there is no death that men call death."
“All ways are lawful to Innocence. Pure folly is the Key to Initiation. Silence breaks into Rapture. Be neither man nor woman, but both in one. Be silent, Babe in the Egg of Blue, that thou mayest grow to bear the Lance and Graal!”
"Be the hour auspicious, and the gate of life open in peace and in well-being, so that she that beareth children may rejoice, and the babe catch life with both hands."
‎''There shall be no property in human flesh.' Nobody has a right to say what anyone else shall or shall not do with his or her body."
"1.
I behold a small dark orb, wheeling in an abyss of infinite space. It is minute among a myriad vast ones, dark amid a myriad bright ones.

2.
I who comprehend in myself all the vast and the minute, all the bright and the dark, have mitigated the brilliance of mine unutterable splendour, sending forth V.V.V.V.V. as a ray of my light, as a messenger unto that small dark orb.

3.
Then V.V.V.V.V. taketh up the word, and sayeth:

4.
Men and women of the Earth, to you am I come from the Ages beyond the Ages, from the Space beyond your vision; and I bring to you these words.

5.
But they heard him not, for they were not ready to receive them.

6.
But certain men heard and understood, and through them shall this Knowledge be made known.

7.
The least therefore of them, the servant of them all, writeth this."

all of these make me ponder immensly

>>2751334
If it works for you, then be happy with what you do

>>2751334 see >>2751280

>>2751313
a mixture of raja yoga

>>2751362

I look at it like a gym membership. Consider me the product of a capitalist society but I believe that my initial dedication to my TM practice was because I invested in it monetarily. Plus, the group meditations are cool and they serve the best food afterwards.

Increasing awareness is the key to unlocking creative intelligence.

how do you pay attention to the breath without altering it?

>>2751387
shutting out anything else that may draw your attention away from it

>>2751386
unfortunately, systems like the maharaj's are full of people whom are the product of a capitalist society, most of the time these Gurus do not even run these organizations simply because they don't care which leaves their ussually non enlightened capitalist students to run something that should be available to anyone. I can see why they may put up a cost to prove your dedication, but proving dedication can be done in other ways, >see Haidakhan Babaji.

>>2751400
awesome i guess i need to learn to do that. how long before you start seeing results from meditation

i know you arent supposed to strive for anything but i have my reasons

ive been doing it for a few weeks but dont seem to be getting anywhere

>>2751422
what specifically have you been doing?

>>2751440
closing my eyes. trying to breath the right way or something like that. i just can't breath naturally. even my natural breath is like forced in a way. trying to focus on breath sensations that arise but i think i am trying to hard or something. i dont have any sensations of breathing so i noticed the lack of sensations instead and sometimes weird body sensations arise, after which i pay attention to those and try not to force them around in my body so much and just let them be as they usually end up moving around and fading away by themself. but i dont think i am calmer or more in control of myself than before just maybe feel different in a way

tl;dr: i dont even know what fuck i am doing honestly

>>2751419

Maharishi was very active running the organization even in his later years (he died in 2008).

My money ensures that TM teachers can afford to make teaching meditation their living. In India, spiritualists and meditators are considered a public service and survive off of the donations of the rest of society. I believe that TM works the same way.

>>2751374

Wait so do you have a mantra?

>>2751458
imo, thought control should be conquered first, this quells anxiety which brings up these sporadic thoughts and ruins your meditation.
Sit comfortably, become detatched from your thoughts, watch them as if they passerbys, do not grasp onto any thought. At first you will realize that the main thoughts are going away, like ones about events and then you'll start working on the ones like "my back itches". After about a year you will be able to sit down and be completely still in your mind. Start with 5 min, increase every day till you are at 30 min, then i would seek advice on where to go from there

>>2751475
i only use 2

how has meditation improved your life?

>>2751497
see>>2751088

>>2751488

Cool. I later learned that the mantra my TM instructor gave me was the name of a hindu deity (they don't tell the new meditators that). Do your mantras have any significance?

>>2751504
The mantras are: AUM
IAO
AUM is the vehicle of the universe, the manifestion of will, the spark of life.
A: The energy of creation
U: The energy of preservation
M: The energy of destruction
Two were/are active now in the universe
A: In the beginning
U: In the now and in the future, when a being dies, its energy is not destroyed but recycled, thus what seems is death is only preservation.
M: Unused, in the end

IAO: a broader meaning, correlating to the destiny of man

>>2751504
I used to use alot more
a few:
Om namah shivaya
Om hare hare
Hare Hare Mahadev
Om Ma Durga

>>2751526

Wow, thanks for answering my questions.

I think the TM movement purposely keeps talk of religion and spirituality out of the discussion because it wants to retain its mass appeal and not offend any religious people or appear like a religion to atheists.

Did it really take you a year to "control" your thoughts? I just let the thoughts bubble up past and subtly and gently return to the mantra. This way the "dives" aren't struggles and my nervous system is able to relieve stress at its own pace.

>>2751037
Did you understood more things about life?
Actually I'm a hobo, I play guitar in the streets to get money and I spend the rest of my time with my friends to party, drink and smoke weed
I love this life but I realize it'll be harder to sleep outside by 0°c or not eating during a full week when I'll be older (I'm 20 actually so it's easy but I can't imagine a 50 yo man endure my life)
Should I try to get a job or continue to enjoy my life? Life is so short I'm affraid to waste it if I start working so young

ITT:

We learn that the man who has spent his life meditating has nothing interesting to say about anything, other than, perhaps, instructing others on how to meditate.

>UN.BE.FUCKING.LEIVABLE.

>>2751543
it took a year for there to be none all together, at which point i was able to slip into pratyhara, when the mind withdraws itself from outside senses during periods of extremely one-centered focus

>>2751546
Hehe, i said ask a man who has meditated most of his life anything and most of the people who've asked anything were people wanting no know not really anything in general.
Perhaps more questions should be asked, deeper ones for instance that most find to be interesting.
I have done this before on /sci, that one was far more interesting.

>>2751545
Do what you enjoy, but dont forget you may not be experiencing other things which you could also find quite enjoyable

>>2751545
and yes, i did understand more things about life, as was my goal when i started, if i hadn't then i would have quit

What's the meaning of life?

>>2751584
Evolution towards a higher state of being

>>2751584
Great movie btw

ok,i'll bite. give us some of your greatest hits from the past then. I asked you about the nature of masculinity/femininity, I asked you about what gives people authority over other people, I asked you what you'd say to Jesus, I asked you whether drug-altered states have anything to offer, and whether the paradigm of continual economic growth is reasonable.

You started this post, and
YOU
AIN'T
GOT
GAME.

would you say that meditation has the ability to cure mental illness? have you ever seen that happen?

>>2751594
What do you mean by "higher state of being"?
Getting stronger/smarter and increase your knowledge and your skills?
Find who you are, accept yourself and live in harmony with yourself?
Something else?

>>2751608
What is it you expect? I will see then if i can supply you. I gave you answers, they were not what you expected? I started this thread so that those curious about meditation may see their interests fulfilled.
>ask a man who has meditated most of his life anything
Hence why that was said

>>2751612
Certainly, i've never seen it happen simply because i've never met a meditator with a mental illness.
I had ADHD but it susided when i started meditation

I did some focus meditation for 6 moths 2-4 hours a day Some guy on youtube said that you could do some basic telekenisis if you practice it long enough .... I did not succeed but after a while I noticed vibrations around objects at firts I hought I have something wrong with my eyes but than I saw a radio and it had very different waves compared to other objects with similar sizes I also could control some sort of energy around my body I have guesses what it is but I want to be sure and I wantto know if its usefull

haha, I can't believe this thread is still alive. You all do realise that OP is probably on a mid to high dose of ketamine and is just trolling the shit out of all of you right?

>>2751649
Yes it's very useful, you can use it to make kamehamehas

>>2751630

TM guy here. Here's an e-mail that I wouldn't have written if I hadn't have had my awareness opened by meditation.

>>2752652

Yeah, it's not my week. Last night I got trolled in /soc/ by some Asian Aussie chick who posted 50 photos but wouldn't put out.

>>2751623
The goal of the wise practitioner is to make himself in every way that which Good, to become that which is Good he must first have a grasp of what that is. The beginner goes through what meditations he goes through so that he may obtain that grasp. Once obtained he becomes embued with the way, every step a selfless step, every cry a cry for another's sake. An understanding unshakable in its wisdom, and undeniable in its product.
Silence breaks into rapture, in awe he sits erect, he sees the true nature of things and in this he comes to realize that he is not the mind, nor the body, but is the Good, and that which is Good everything has its base in. With this realization he bursts through all restrictions, all barriers, obtains a peace incomprehensible for now he is the Good and the Good is he. Enlightenment is obtained.
"And you shall drink your cup alone, though it will taste of blood and tears and praise God for the gift of taste." -Almustafa; Garden of the Prophet

Hmmm, this thread was not like the last i had on /sci, it was more professional. I can see that misunderstandings have arisen and wish not to be a bother, two requests for me to do so and i shall delete this thread

yes, fuck off

>>2751649
some ways are right and some ways are wrong, the misguided can take a right path and also be taking a wrong path, mistakingly they will see the products of the right path as being products of the wrong path. What you are experiencing are merely bi-products of meditation, not of some telekenesis mumbo jumbo

>>2751667

did you seriously think we would appreciate enlightenment from a deadshit with nothing better to do than sit around 'thinking'?
you're an unproductive burden on society and this drivel does not belong in /sci/

>>2751705

Well, I appreciate what you've shared

>>2751732
I was foolish to have posted this indeed, it is the nature of the lay man to think primitively, but a point that seems forgotten is what i orignially stated when i started this thread
>ask a man who has meditated most of his life anything
If you have nothing to ask, or believe that you will become offended by the answer, why bother asking it?
It is because you are too small minded to even grap this.

>>2751739
ah that sucks man, you had the whole Buddhist thing going so well for you too. until you pulled the superiority card. now it just looks like your Ketamine is wearing off and your starting to feel a bit antagonised.

>>2751732

And are you any better? At least he's gone out of his way to provide some insight.

>>2751748

Great, so long as you realize that the only insights available here are on meditation itself. In other words, Dave's a self-licking ice cream cone. In starting this thread, he naturally implied that he was available to give insights on anything we asked. He didn't deliver, except to anons who wanted to ask about meditation. Then he uses semantics to deny it. Fail.

>I'm the eye-rolling pic, not the "burden on society" comment

>>2751748
there isn't one bit of insight in this thread that a practitioner of any religion couldn't tell you. This is the kind of damaged mind that STARTS religions.

Davidson, if that is your real name, you are spending far to much time alone and in your own head. Humans are social creatures, we require contact with each other on a frequent basis. The lack of contact with your fellow man and the kind of introversion which you're describing will inevitably lead to insanity.

The fact that you are here, or anywhere, spreading this psychic filth is incredibly bad form on your part. What if someone of vulnerable intellect were to wonder in here and read this thread?

You'd poison their mind is what. I request you delete this thread as you said you would.

Spoon.

>>2751768

Arguing what insights is beside the point, he had more to share than the anon assuming he is a burden.
Maybe you just didn't get the answer you wanted?

When asking a man who has meditated his whole life anything, you are asking for perspective.