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I'd say religion wasn't really a reason at all personally. Just rhetoric, justification after the fact.

in the end everyone died and no fuck was given.

Sure is not being clear. If by trade you mean trade with the Muslims, that was established long before the invasion. Unless you mean some other civilizations, which you should specify.

Religion may not have played a role in some of the leaders, but it was definitely a driving force for many seeking redemption. It was an easy ticket for criminals all around Europe to sign up for the Pope's army and kill, loot and rape heretics in the name of God (in the meantime earning a ticket to heaven.)

>>2722498
As I always say when I see that christian straw man graph

Those people were killed because of Fascism,Communism, and Socialism. Also Hitler AND Mussolini was a catholic. But again, they didn't kill because they were catholic, they killed because they were fascists.

>>2722547
>Also Hitler AND Mussolini was a catholic.
dohoho, the ignorance of people

>>2722498
I'm tired of editing and reposting the image.
So just extend a green bar to infinity on the Christian side marked "Everyone Everywhere" and attribute it to "God, the Flood".

>>2722585
there weren't that many people on the earth back then
maybe 5 million at most

>>2722585
curious, what WAS the actual number killed in the flood?

>>2722594
0.

>>2722592
so then by your own admission, 5 mil, at the least, including innocent babies.

Why is god against abortion if he kills babies himself?

>>2722561
"Once again the songs of the fatherland roared to the heavens along the endless marching columns, and for the last time the Lord's grace smiled on His ungrateful children. "-Adolf Hitler

You should change your name to Designated representative of the ignorance of /lit/

captcha-rypen quality, you should heed it

>>2722498
>implying anyone on that pic killed for atheistic reasons.

Russian civil war? seriously?

Hitler? Holy shit now you're just trolling.

>>2722604
God had His reasons. Maybe if you took time to research why He flooded the Earth, you wouldn't look so silly.

>>2722625
It's called propaganda. He said stuff like that to fool the ignorant like yourself. I guess you can say he was pretty good at it if he's still making people believe he was a Catholic.

inb4"BUT HE SAID HE WAS DOING GOD'S WORK IN MEIN KAMPF"
yeah, that was propaganda too.

>>2722634
People weren't doing as he told them... boo fucking hoo.

Interesting that he never gave them the chance he apparently gives us after jesus died on the cross.

>>2722634
hahaha oh my god, your a laugh.

7/10 just for the laugh factor

>>2722647
Why do you then think he was doing anything in the name of atheism?

>>2722662
Germany was a fascist state, everything was done in the name of atheism because everything was anti-religion.
Unless you don't think The Holocaust was an anti-religious thing. And if that's the case, I can't help you.

>>2722647

Ok, using your own reasoning, no world leader has ever been an atheist, they were just claiming atheism for propaganda purposes, meaning every genocide is on the theist's hands. Check and mate my little troll.

>>2722690
I do think it was anti-religion, just, anti-singular-religion.

He only persecuted jews.

He had nothing against the church, said so himself.

>>2722690
>everything was done in the name of atheism because everything was anti-religion.
Unless you don't think The Holocaust was an anti-religious thing

Caught you troll, you slipped up right here

>Unless you don't think The Holocaust was an anti-religious thing

anti religious, yet it only went after ONE religion and not ALL of them as an truly atheist regime would have.

>>2722699
I'd assume scientists would be smart enough to grasp such simple concepts but I guess I was wrong?

He was a Catholic to the Catholics. He was an atheist to himself.

>>2722709
>>2722707
Oh you weren't aware of his 1000 year plan to take over the rest of the world, and in doing so, he would eliminate the rest of the religions? Jews were just the first.

>>2722734
[citation needed]

>>2722751
>needs a citation for high school knowledge

>>2722711

Unlike /lit/ what people pull out of there ass has no meaning here, we require evidence, of which you have none to provide my dimwitted little troll.

>>2722763
>implying christian right wing propaganda is high school knowledge

well, maybe if you go to a private religious highschool it is.


He said something like he wants the nazis to rule for 1000 years, but you have twisted things sooo far.

>>2722783
Where is the evidence that God doesn't exist?

>>2722785
Even if he doesn't explicitly say it, it's implied. If you know anything about fascism, you'd know that a world ruled by it would have nothing at all to do with religion.

>>2722799
All right, I'll bump your troll rating up to 8/10 for getting me to reply a few times. Good night lol.

>>2722799
>Where is the evidence that God doesn't exist?

The fact that there is no empirical evidence he does is a strong indicator he doesn't. Nothing is certain about anything however- atheists however don't make the claim of divine perfect truth.

>>2722829
>IF I DON'T SEE IT, IT DOESN'T EXIST!
How's that working for you?

>>2722855

>If I can't empirically measure it, it doesn't exist

FTFY, and it is actually working quite well, this computer I'm typing on is quite nice. How are the leprechauns and fairies in your fantasy world? Should we slay some goats to appease the rain gods? See I prefer understanding the world around me rather then shrouding it in mysticism and delusion. But to each there own.

Also, do you believe in fairies and leprechauns? because using your arguments you should. Just because we don't have proof they don't exist, and we can't see them, doesn't mean the don't right? Or else you're just being inconsistent, the trademark of someone hanging on to something out of fear.

>>2722890
>Just because we don't have proof they don't exist, and we can't see them, doesn't mean the don't right?
That's exactly what I'm saying. Sure, leprechauns and fairies exist. There's as much of a chance that they do exist as there is that they don't.

Same goes for God. If you think there's a chance He doesn't exist, then there's an equal chance that He does exist. And then there's no rational reason to choose either side.

Hey, OP. You forgot Pol Pot.

Current score:
Christians 2
Atheists 0

>>2722924

False equivalence, but I'm done being trolled, good day.

>>2722690
One of the first groups hitler went after first was the atheists and freethinkers organizations.

"Without pledging ourselves to any particular Confession, we have restored faith to its pre-requisites because we were convinced that the people needs [sic] and requires [sic] this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out."
-Adolf Hitler
Baynes, Norman Hepburn (1969). The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922 – August 1939'. H. Fertig. pp. 378.

Hitler and the Nazi Party also banned many, if not all, atheistic, freethinkers, and left-wing organizations in Germany.
1.) http://books.google.com/books?id=nfQ0pqA53Z8C&pg=PA157&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false
2.) http://books.google.com/books?id=YXOr4xQFSJsC&pg=PA124&hl=en#v=onepage&q&f=false

As for your other "facts", I'm afraid they don't hold water. When atheists argue that religious beliefs are dangerous, they point out specific individuals and specific lines of religious text that are immoral and detrimental. This includes people like Rick Santorum, Pat Robertson, and the entire book of Leviticus, among others. However, it is of extreme importance to note that this does not mean that all religious people are dangerous/detrimental.
This theory of philosophical detriments cannot be applied to atheists, because atheists do not have a consistent text, creed or written philosophy that defines their "beliefs" as an atheist. If you were to meet every atheist, you would find people of incalculable evil and people of incredible warm-hearted kindness. To generalize atheists because of what atheistic fascists did (in radically different societies, with radically different upbringings and culturally-defined moralities), is akin to comparing an orange to a basketball.

>>2723051
>One of the first groups hitler went after first was the atheists and freethinkers organizations.
yeah no sh*t why would you want free thinkers in a fascist state?

>>2723068
I'm pointing out the flaws in your arguments. I'm also countering with effective responses.

As for your definition of the existence of God(s), I think any rational group of people can and will agree that organized religion is effectively meaningless. The definitions and characteristics ascribed to God(s) via organized religion are literally always contradictory, paradoxical and/or so ill-defined that trying to forge a solid definition of God(s) that is free from said contradictions and paradoxes is next to impossible.

As for a deistic god, or some sort of pantheistic deity, well, then yes, you are correct. By its very nature, that form of "God" is both improvable and impossible to disprove. A deistic God, by its very nature, is completely unlike a God written about in holy texts. To ascribe qualities and morality to this deistic God is futile at best, pathetic at worst.

>>2722498
Why does this graph omit every-pogrom-not-the-holocaust ever? Did you even try to count real events?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pogrom#Pogroms_against_Jews
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thirty_Years%27_War#Casualties_and_disease
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lebanese_civil_war
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Bartholomew%27s_Day_massacre
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Partition_of_India

I mean, really?

>>2723148
>counting jews as people
>mfw

>>2723165
dat JADAM

>>2723181
No, this is a JDAM.

>>2723189
>>2723181

Err, THIS is a JDAM.

ITT: Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolling trolls.

This is why science vs. religion doesn't work.

>>2723051
>>2723140
OP got his shit owned

>>2723148

Honestly, it looks more like a Paveway II/III

>>2722498

More like
Stalin - 20 million
Mao - 40 million
World War 2 in its entirety - 50 million.

Cool made up numbers, bro.