/sci/ - Science & Math

nevv, is that you?

How's r9k?

Is there any reason that this wouldn't work?
The genetic differences are smaller than that of a horse and a donkey or goat and sheep, and yet we breed those.

>>2721432
fuck off I never touched new or r9k

don't you know a /b/tard when you see one?

If you don't believe in evolution you are a fact ignoring retard, and this is not the universe for you because that's just how shit goes down up in here.

>>2721440
/b/ you say ... I'm not quite convinced. Can you say engineers three times?

>>2721434
Different ancestors. Can't work.

You have to have the same ancestor in order for a
hybrid to work. Hence a Liger is possible, alongside
a Zeedonk or Donkzee or whatever the hell it's
called.

However, humans and Chimpanzee's do not
have the same ancestor and therefore it won't
work.

Your argument is also very flawed. Bananas and
Humans share 96% of their genes, but if I fuck a
banana tree or banana seed or something, does
not make a Bananman.

>>2721451
smells trolly in here...

>>2721460
Nope, it's legit.

>>2721451
What happen if a banana have sex with a telephone?

>>2721448

here's one

>>2721464

so you're retarded?

oh yes of course, the Prophet Muhammad ordered that Allah simultaneously generate Homo Habilis at the same time as the ancestor of Pan Troglodytes, making sure that they share no genes other than the ones the Djinn must inject to ensure normal biological functioning.

Are you implying that disbelief in evolution implies disinterest in hybridization? Or Science for that matter?

This is the biggest incompatability between Humans and Chimpanzees. Human chromosome 2 and Chimpanzee chromosomes 2a and 2b.
( Gorilla and Orangutan included for teh lulz )

What if we made a Zygote with two copies of the human chromosome 2 and have the rest of the chromosomes be 50/50 Human/Chimp?

>>2721492

might as fucking well

>>2721490
He said we didn't evolve from chimpanzees, dumbass. Not that we were created beings.

Protip: chimpanzees aren't in our ancestry. Apes are.

>>2721451

I can't fucking believe someone told you we share more than 50% of our DNA with bananas and you fucking believed him.

>>2721514

Are you Re-Fucking-Tarded?

When the fuck did I ever say we evolved from Chimpanzees???

We evolved from a common source.
(the muhammad shit was sarcasm)

>>2721472
Could somebody please ignore the trolls and answer this simple question?
I thought this was a science board, you should be smarter than this.

>>2721514
uh the first guy said we don't share any ancestors with Chimps... I'm pretty sure the scientific consensus is that humans and chimps are derived from the same species around 15 mya, iirc

>>2721538
Idiot. That we don't share any ancestor with chimps is exactly what he said.

>>2721538
sorry I meant 5 mya

>>2721546
so now you're just trolling..

>>2721472
Oh, fuck you, buddy. It's stuck in my head now.

GOD DAMN YOU RAFFI!

Hell Chickens and Turkeys have produced offspring, and they're waaaay more different than Humans ans Chimps

>>2721546

How do horses share an ancestor with donkeys but humans don't share one with chimps?

>>2721613
>implying that horses don't share an ancestor with chimps

>>2721503
This Anon explained it the best with pictures. This is
one reason why we cannot have Humanzees.
Also, don't get into that Biochem/Molecular Bio
crap, we wouldn't want to have an intelligent
discussion on /sci/ now would we?

>>2721538
Chimpanzee's and Humans branched of 6 to 8
mya, so you're still wrong even if you meant 5.

Also, if that explanation isn't enough, we cannot
breed with Chimpanzee's because we did not
evolve from them (as previously stated) whereas
Dogs and Wolves did evolve from the same
ancestor (Wolves) and therefore can breed with
each other.

On top of that, the simplest explanation would be
that human beings carry 46 chromosomes, and
Chimpanzees (just looked this up) have 48.

(46 + 48)/2 =/= 46 and therefore not human (with
the exception of a few rare diseases but that's
besides the point).

>>2721654

well that's a load of shit, the wolves that dogs came from are dead. Wolves didn't magically stay exactly the same in the 14,000 years since dogs were domesticated from their ranks. You're demonstrating a fundamental lack of understanding of evolution.
Ever see a black wolf? The genes for that came from dogs.

>>2721654

so? Horses and Donkeys have nearly the same chromosome problem and yet we have mules...
please for the love of Thor tell me you knew that..

>>2721654

Camels and Llamas can produce offspring..

So did the Llama evolve from the Camel or did the Camel evolve from the Llama?
Also did the Chicken come from the Turkey or vice versa?

>>2721624
good one

of course he means recent ancestors though

>>2721451
>does not make a Bananaman.
I REBUT YOUR CLAIM, GOOD SIR!

>>2721654
hey wise guy, estimates for Human/Chimp divergence range from 5-12 million years

One obstacle is that human sperm don't try to fuck chimp eggs and chimp sperm don't fuck human eggs. The sperm tracking mechanistic are not compatible. Not much of a problem for scientists though you can inject the sperm directly.

Second obstacle is chromosomal differences. There are several major reversals and a split to deal with or not. If you injected sperm into the eggs you would probably get a few un viable mixes but a few viable ones too so try it 10 times get 3 humanizes. Only problem is the offspring would not be fertile to either species. You could go in and chop up and splice the chromosomes and fix the chromosomal based infertility. A humanze population would self select the sperm auto tracking to be either human orientated or chimp oriented in a few generations.

There is some evidence that researchers from the US have already made humanizes but terminated them as children. There was some Russian guy trying to do this in the cold war but he was doing it wrong, using orangutan sperm instead of chimp sperm in a Russian girl with out injecting the sperm into the egg.

Anyhow good luck on this quest sci.

>>2721733

that's a beautiful Beluga

Dammit! I told you people to stop fucking those chimpanzees! Don't make me remind you about the last time with the SIV and the P. t. troglodytes....

So where can I find a female chimp to impregnate and answer this question once and for all?

>>2721751
>>2721754


I see a trend here

If humanzees are ever created you can be sure there will be liberals arguing for them to have the same rights as humans do.

>>2721762

just like those fucking niggers

>>2721726
It's 6-8 mya...are you the samefag who's been
saying 15, then 5 mya and now 5-12? Come up with
a fucking number already.

>>2721703
Horses and Donkey cells successfully go
through meiosis in their beginning stages.
Humans and Chimpanzees do not.

>>2721754
Why did you use a dat ass reaction pic? o_O

>>2721772
>>2721762
Don't turn /sci/ into politics...keep that shit for /b/

Only creatures possibly pertaining to this thread were in a series of shitty movies that started with Planet of The Apes.

And since this isn't >>>/tv/ , I suggest you GTFO and come bakc IF you have some /sci/ence to talk about.

>>2721792
the beauty of evolutionary biology is that it changes all the time

http://primatology.net/2007/02/24/reassessing-the-time-at-which-human-chimp-lineages-diverged/

>>2721824

so you missed the science bit huh?

>>2721792
>Humans and Chimpanzees do not.
[citation needed]

>>2721829
>findings shifts the gap between human-chimpanzee divergence from 5-7 million years ago

I said 6-8, you said 5-12 to 15 to 5. Pretty sure I was closest. The point of /sci/ is to research this
shit before you get here so we know you're not
making up a random range of 7 million years for
evolution to take place.

And clearly evolution isn't happening fast enough
to shut a few people up and take out others from
the gene pool.

>>2721835
designer breast implants of the future

>>2721835
I don't know of anyone who's fucked a chimpanzee
yet, so I can't really get you any real evidence. The
best I can give you is discovery channel:

Google: Discovery Channel Humanzee

first link.

>>2721860
i seed it but dose not say what you say it say

The #1 issue stooping humanizes is the sperm not tracking the eggs of the species. You can inject sperm and bypass this problem.

>>2721846

i first said 15, meaning to say 5. I wasn't thinking 15 million years, i had a brain fart. Then I said 5-12, because I remember hearing in the 90s that someone's estimate was 12. (taking into account that I said estimateS range from 5-12 million years, ignore the fucking 15 already asshat.)

The article I just posted, which is newer than anything saying 6-8 clearly says 4!

So why aren't you admitting any error?

>>2721860
Chimpanzees and mandrills, both in fact ferocious and very powerful species of primate: "made drunk by wine and inflamed by the odor of females of their kind, were loosed upon girls whose genitals had been drenched with the urine of female chimps and mandrills." The victims were often virgins and not infrequently young children. One spectacle is said to have included "a hundred tiny blonde girls being raped simultaneously by a horde of baboons."

If the Romans didn't ever get hybrid, then its just not going to happen.

>>2721860

Woah, woah, woah, woah! Where do you think HIV came from? Someone out there has tried....

>>2721874

Dammit I have the most awkward boner

>>2721876

I love how they always feed us the "kid friendly" blood contamination story in school

>>2721874
Holy fuck...what?

>>2721871
I quoted the article, said 5-7, and MAYBE could be 4-7.

I said 6-8. You said 5 to fucking 12, I don't see
you admitting your error. I know I didn't, but I did
say my estimation was much closer than your
random babbling.

>>2721870
Yes but this would create a hybrid that (not who)
can't breed and would look more like Oliver than
anything (imo). Plus this would make people
study the meiosis between the cells and shit.

>>2721874

hey now... I'm pretty sure the Romans never had access to Chimpanzees....
I heard of Carthaginians encountering Gorillas or something, but I've never heard of the Romans capturing a Chimp.

The baboon thing however is fucking hilarious

obvious jew is obvious

>>2721874

holy mother of....that is the most hillarious/fucked up thing i've read all day!

>>2721907

You want me to dig up what some random primatologist said in the 90s?
I was just saying estimates RANGE, not that I even fucking believe that shit.

I'm just saying it's likely as early as 5 mya maybe even 4, so we can't claim lack of recent genetic ancestry as a reason Humanzees couldn't be produced

>>2721924
Agreed. Imagine 6-year old looking crazed animals
with red asses fucking the shit out of women, fuck
that would be hilarious.

>>2721876
Yeah yeah, but I don't know anybody who's tried.
After all, do we truly know ourselves or others?

>>2721924
romans always imported animals from all over their empire, for both food and prestige... and apparently girl raping.

>>2721954

their empire never encompassed the range of the Chimpanzee, it did however encompass the range of unnatural rape

>>2721874
Yall don't seem to get this. Chimp sperm will not try to get inside of a human egg like sperm of the same species dose. This would not stop us from making one in a lab, we can inject sperm.

Chromosomal differences may result in a number of inviable combinations but there will be some combinations that are viable. I'm sure you could hire some mexican docter to do this for $10,000 all you need is some chimp sperm and a willing girl.

>>2721929

obvious goyim is jelly

>>2721945
What do you think six TO eight is? A direct number?

>>2721954

Yeah, but chimps were quite a way from the borders of great Rome.

>>2721966

...which brings us back to Mexico

>>2721976
i've always wanted one of those funny little hats

>>2721979
6-8 is the range of one estimate...
i was incorporating the ranges of multiple estimates... like the ones from before we knew all that much about human and chimp genetics, other than that we were probably related

>>2721996
Great retaliation.

>>2721522

i laughed until i died

>>2722008

Well your 6-8 was outdated. So there, is that a better retaliation?

>>2722027

>>2722031

>>2722031

I don't really need to retaliate, you're tripfagging.

>>2722056
No matter how many pictures you post of Samuel L. Jackson..you will never have as much money as him or distinction.

>>2722098

At least I have a black cock

>>2722109
>implying black people browse /sci/

>>2721733
Obstacle 1 (location): Humans do not fuck chimpanzees because humans do not often meet chimpanzees.
Obstacle 2 (behavioral): Humans do not fuck chimpanzees, because humans do not find chimpanzees attractive.
Obstacle 3 (physiological): Chimpanzee vaginas are not large enough for human penises, and human vaginas are too deep for chimpanzee penises.
Obstacle 4 (chromosomal): Chimpanzee gametes and human gametes cannot usefully make a zygote together because they have different numbers of chromosomes.

>>2722137
>4
wtf, Horses and Donkeys have the same fucking problem
Mules aren't a myth, so what gives?

>>2722247
Ive fucking told you over 9000 times. The sperm do not try to get into each others eggs. The paracrine signalling is not compatible so the sperm never find the eggs and even if they do they bump into it they wont try to fertilize it. You can fucking inject the sperm in the egg and ignore this problem in a lab.

Pleas stop making me repeat myself endlessly.

>>2722247
Meiosis

Meiosis>>2722327
Calm down engineer, he's just another /b/ guy.

>>2722327
when was the test done to determine how human sperm reacts around chimp eggs?

>>2722346

Prior to late 2005, the general estimate for Chimp/Human divergence was 3-13 million years,
then someone postulated 5-7,
then in 2006 someone said 6-8,
then in 2007 someone said as early as 4.
Do some fucking research and SUCK IT.

>>2722505
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ar.1091880407/abstract;jsessionid=980A9992FCAC642B4A333D1
275E6F099.d03t03

God I love science.

>>2722802
dude that study says human sperm enters ape eggs...

>>2722802
even Gibbons ( which are even further from humans than Chimps are )
all it says is that the sperm won't enter monkey eggs or anything less similar to humans than a gibbon for that matter.

>>2722802
Way to prove yourself wrong bro

Let the Chimp-fucking extravaganza begin!

>>2722802
this is awesome, bookmarked and saved for future fapping

>>2723115
>>2723088
>>2723072
>>2723039
Samefaging it up and reading comprehension.

>human spermatozoa would not even attach to the zona surface of sub-hominoid primate (baboon, rhesus monkey, squirrel monkey), nor to the non-primate eutherian oocytes tested

Gibbon was the only one that human sperm would attach to.

cont from
>>2723200

>Human spermatozoa display unusually limited affinities in their interaction with oocytes of other species

>>2723200
>>2723217

...So where was the test with Chimpanzees? the closest Hominoids we have available?

If anything the fact that human sperm joins to Gibbon eggs all but confirms that it will join to Chimpanzee eggs.

You do know what "hominoid" means right?

>>2722554
Still mad about your wrong numbers I see.

>>2721447
>welcome to atheism

>>2723256

the lesser hominoids (gibbons and siamangs);
and the great hominoids (orangutans, chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas, and humans)

>>2723200
you misattributed one of those samefags, but I'll let that slide.
What they're saying is that it is interesting that human spermatazoa join to gibbon oocytes because they are LESSER apes, as opposed to GREAT apes ( i.e. Chimps Bonobos Gorillas Orangutans and Humans ) great apes are also known as Hominidae. Lesser apes and great apes fit together in the group Hominoidea.

When they refer to the monkey listed, they never refer to Chimpanzes, which are Great Apes and therefore not "sub-hominoid primates"

Are you beginning to catch my drift?

tl;dr Chimpanzees were not part of the study, the study implies the scientists involved have no doubt as the immense likelihood that human sperm would join all hominid eggs

>>2723276
They adhered to and, when capacitated, penetrated the vestments of the oocyte of an ape-the gibbon... human spermatozoa would not even attach to the zona surface of sub-hominoid primate nor to the non-primate eutherian oocytes...... it probably is restricted to the Hominoidea.

Chimpanzees fit quite well into the category of Hominoidea. They are by no means "sub-hominoid primates nor to the non-primate eutherians."

How much do I have to fucking drill this into your head? THEY DID NOT FUCKING TEST CHIMPS!

is it possible that chimps continue to evolve and become a more human like species?

>>2723269
>implying there was ever anything wrong with my numbers other than the 15 which i corrected 4 minutes later

>>2723334
every species evolves from generation to generation.
in the presence of selective pressures yes, they could become more "human like" but on their present course I'd say not likely

>>2723332
I guess the butthurt drove him away

so what happens when these two fuck?

science is for nerds