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2713879 No.2713879 [Reply] [Original]

So the latest news on the reactor situation in Japan seems to be dire. All workers have now left the control room due to rising radiation levels.

They weren't able to cool them down enough while they were there, what the fuck is going to happen now that the technicians are gone?

If 6 reactors, not to mention a cooling pond or 3 maybe, all meltdown, just how bad would that be on a worldwide level.

I'm looking for serious answers here, because it seems to me like it is a very real possibility at this point in time.

Scientist types are my first choice for answers, but anyone is also welcome to throw in your two cents too.

>> No.2713903

reactors 4 -6 dont have a container to prevent radiation leakage.

>> No.2713909

Worse than Three Mile Island, not as bad as Chernobyl.

Which isn't saying much. That's a wide spread.

>> No.2713914

>>2713909

But Chernobyl was only 7 on a 10 scale, what happens if this goes BEYOND what happened in russia?

>> No.2713920

>>2713914
Full retard. Read up some.

>> No.2713930

Where is "V" and all the other "pHd NUUCLA SCIENTISTS" saying that this is nothing, theres no problems, and its all media sensationalism now?

This situation is going from bad to worse.

>> No.2713934

>>2713930
Stop being sad that your trolling doesn't get enough replies.

>> No.2713963

>>2713934
>HURR DURR NOTHING WILL HAPPEN
>Explosion
>HURR DURR STILL NOTHING WILL HAPPEN
>Explosion #2
>YOU STILL THINK SOMETHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN?
>Reactor 2 explosion heard
>NOTHING'S WRONG THEY WILL FLOOD IT WITH BORIC ACID AND SEAWATER
>Radiation levels rise to 400 MILLIsieverts per hour around the plant
>IT'LL ALL GO AWAY THEY WILL STOP IT
>Reactor 4 catches fire
>FIRE WON'T DO ANYTHING
>increases radiation
>THEY'LL STOP IT GUYS DON'T WORRY
>Non-essential personnel evac'd
>STOP BEING SO SENSATIONALIST, THEY ARE BEING PRECAUTIONARY
>All personnel evac'd
>...
>I thought so faggots.

also, thats not OP. neither is this.

>> No.2713984

>>2713930
methinks funds just got cut for that little viral marketing endeavor.

definitely not all gone though.

>> No.2713986

>>2713963
>>2713963
>>2713963
>>2713963

>> No.2713990

>>2713963
>Attacking a strawman

And here I thought /sci/ was smarter than this. Thread hidden.

>> No.2713993

>>2713963

Nice to know there is someone in here that sees the seriousness in this. I usually hang on /b/, but it was suggested for me to bring this here.

For that I'm trolling? No, I'm actually trying to get some serious answers here.

>> No.2714000

>>2713963
How many times do we have to repeat ourselves for you to understand that none of this shit matters because the containment vessels are fine and designed to handle a full meltdown.

>> No.2714025

>>2714000
but theyre not.

>> No.2714027

>>2714000

So what you're saying is ,in a worst case scenario, there will be full meltdowns into the containment vessels. Local impact may be high, but worldwide, nada?

>> No.2714070

>cesium 137 into the pacific
>plankton absorb it
>fish eat plankton
>people eat fish
>dead people around the world

>> No.2714078

From what I understand reactors 4-6 weren't even in use and couldn't possibly be melting down.

>>2713963
The zirconium alloy rods which contain the nuclear fuel heated beyond the temperature required for them to oxidize when the supply of coolant was cut off for a time. When flow of the coolant (water) was restored, it reacted with the water, snatching away oxygen atoms, which of course releases hydrogen. The ignition of this hydrogen after much buildup within the buildings is what caused those explosions, and set fire to the building of reactor 4. The containment vessels weren't damaged in this incident, and even in the case of a meltdown, should still contain the fuel.

Since the hydrogen incident, reactors 1 and 3 have been cooled and are stable, yet reactor 2 is still in question as far as I'm aware.

If anybody has any *reliable* information, that is more up to date, and void of doomsday hyperbole, please share.

>> No.2714096

>>2714078
[citation needed]

>> No.2714104

>>2714078
http://www.iaea.org/newscenter/news/tsunamiupdate01.html
It's the best I've got. The BBC Live page is the next best, but much more dramatic.

>> No.2714105

ITT: trolls trolling trolls

which sums up all /sci/ nuclear threads over the last few days

>> No.2714124

>>2714078
>If anybody has any *reliable* information, that is more up to date, and void of doomsday hyperbole, please share.

I must say you put that perfectly. Thanks much for the input.

>> No.2714129

when do you guys sleep

>> No.2714138
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2714138

why not try tepco themselves?

its all under control people

>> No.2714139

http://mitnse.com/

there you faggots...straight from the nuclear engineering department of MIT.

>> No.2714142

>>2714027
Worst case scenario: Absolute meltdown in all three reactors and devastating fire in reactor 4. Fire in 4 is eventually smothered, nuclear material in 1-3 drops into catch basins. Radiation leakage puts local area (about 30 km) in danger of radiation poisoning. Most will likely choose to live elsewhere rather than take chances. Effect outside of that range is negligible. Clean-up operation costs billions. Nuclear energy debate is now defined by this incident.

>> No.2714168

>>2714142
I should also mention that the fire in 4 (where spent fuel is housed) is the main source of radiation in the area, and the likelihood of this worst case scenario is small at this point, especially since smoke from the second fire at 4 is no longer visible.

>> No.2714180
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2714180

Unit 4 (shut down due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant
to ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 5 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant
to ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Unit 6 (outage due to regular inspection)
- Reactor has been shut down and sufficient level of reactor coolant
to ensure safety is maintained.
- Currently, we do not believe there is any reactor coolant leakage
inside the reactor containment vessel.

Reactor 2 had a partial contaimnet loss and the spent fuel pool at reactor 4 caught fire. The fuel pool being currently the most significant source of contamination.

Reactors 1 and 3 are still contained, and if they do breach it, it will most probably be into the fuel traps under them which is constructed just for that exact purpose.

Annually, there's more contamination of homes from radon in high-granite basement areas or particles let fly at mining operations of uranium.

>> No.2714201

>>2714138
That's from the Daini plant. The current situation is at Daiichi.

I posted
>>2714180

>> No.2714271

Urban explorer fag here

Part of me actually wants another Chernobyl to happen. Pripyat is currently the golden destination for urbex fags on account of it being an entire city. However, it's getting old and the Ukranian government has apparently decided to be more responsible recently and stop letting people inside the buildings. So a new ghost city would be quite nice right about now. And if Fukushima went Chernobyl (it won't) then Tokyo would probably be in the "oh shi-" range. Imagine that, a ghost metropolis. I would totally risk cancer/death to go visit such a place.

>> No.2714302

>>2714271
lol, add a few people that were isolated during evacuation and got their brains addled by short-lived isotopes and you have a ghost metropolis full of raging cannibals. Of course this is japan, so it will be raging NINJA cannibals.

>> No.2714316

>>2714271

And how would you plan to get to an exiled island?

>> No.2714320

>>2714000
We don't know if the containment is intact. We don't know where the latest massive dose of radiation came from. It's speculated to come from the spent fuel storage, but it isn't impossible that it come from a containment breach on one of the first three reactors.

The TL;DR of it is that IF the containment is intact, this will be fine. Expensive to clean up, but fine. If the containment is not intact then the comparisons to Chernobyl are pretty accurate; it won't be as widespread, but it'll irradiate a huge portion of the local area.

All we can do is hope the reactors aren't the source of the current radiation spike. And I have to say, it's a bad day when your best scenario involves a criticality accident.

>> No.2714321

>>2714302
or raging tentacle rape cannibals

>> No.2714340

>>2714320
cited from http://mitnse.com/, 6th paragraph under the heading "Explanation of Hydrogen Explosions at Units 1 and 3"
>Right after the explosions there were spikes in the radiation levels detected, because there were some radioactive materials in the steam. When the zirconium alloy cladding reacted to make hydrogen, it released some fission products. The vast majority of the radioactive materials in the fuel will remain in the fuel. However, some of the fission products are noble gases (xenon, Xe and krypton, Kr) and will immediately leave the fuel rods when the cladding integrity is compromised. Fortunately, Xe and Kr are not a serious radiological hazard because they are chemically inert and will not react with humans or plants. Additionally, small quantities of iodine (I) and cesium (Cs) can be entrained with the steam. When the steam was vented to the reactor building, the Xe and Kr would have followed as well as some small amounts of I and Cs. Thus, when the roof of the reactor building was damaged , these radionuclides that were in the reactor building would have also been released. This is the reason a sudden spike was seen in radiation levels. These heightened radiation levels quickly decreased. This is because there was no damage to the containment which would increase the quantities of radionuclide released, and because the radionuclides released during the explosion quickly decayed away or dispersed.

>> No.2714345

this op this 2714287 this this this

>> No.2714355

>>2714340
That happened days ago. Yes, that's where the small radiation spikes came from when the explosions happened. We just had a spike that supposedly caused the plant and areas to temporarily reach 10 Sv/h and stabilized at around .5 to 1 Sv/h. We don't know where that came from.

>> No.2714385

>>2714321
Damn, now I want this too. I would first douse myself with capsaicin to negate the cannibalims part.

>> No.2714392

>"A part of the containment vessel is broken and it seems like the vapour is coming out from there. So... [it] appears to be that vapour is coming out from the broken part."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739

Reactor three appears to have a containment breach.

>> No.2714395

>>2714316
Boat probably. Can't be too hard to sneak a skiff onto an island that large.

>> No.2714412

>>2714392


Yep.
With a breech, Chernobyl is actually possible.
Physicsfag here. At first I was adamantly of the opinion that nothing but a destruction of the plant would come of this....
If this doesn't end NOW and keeps getting worse - We're going to be seeing shit get real, very quickly.
Obviously Daichi's containment vessels suck so if the breeched reactor continues to fuck up and we see an explosion, it could damage the others.

It's time to start flying in the cement - NOW.

>> No.2714423

>>2714412
Fuck that, I've seen enough Hollywood disaster movies to know what we need to do: Nuke it. Nukes solve everything.

>> No.2714428

>>2714412
Oh, come on. An explosion? That's not even possible for these reactors.

>> No.2714430

>>2714412
Nah, it could cause some dangerous radiation plumes, but since the reactor isn't active at the moment, it wouldn't be quite as bad

>> No.2714452

>>2714428
Of course its possible... not even close to likely.

>> No.2714453

>>2714355
Got a reliable source on that? That's fucking huge.

>> No.2714454

>>2714428

I'm not talking about the fucking reactor exploding -- of course not. I mean another hydrogen explosion or the like. As I said, these containment vessels suck - hard. In the US they are supposed to be able to withstand the impact of a fully fueled airliner, in Japan apparently, a small scale hydrogen explosion is enough to cause a crack. If the pressure in the containment vessel keeps increasing (and it seems like it will...) the crack will only get bigger.

>> No.2714475

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/

Please read from this news source! It actually consults Japanese and International Atomic Energy Agency Experts!

>> No.2714480

>>2714454
we have 23 of these GE Mark I reactors still operating in the US. yes, it's a terrible design.

>> No.2714482

>>2714412
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2011/03/16/japan-faces-apocalyptic-disaster-as-radiation-sp
ills-from-stricken-nuclear-plant-115875-22992373/

As the danger rating at the plant was upgraded from five to six out of seven, Europe’s energy Commissioner Guenther Oettinger said: “There is talk of an apocalypse and I think the word is particularly well chosen.

“Practically everything is out of control. I cannot exclude the worst in the hours and days to come.”

Japan’s Prime Minister Naoto Kan admitted perilous levels of radiation were leaking from the power station.

At one point it soared to 400 times the annual legal limit.

Mr Kan said on TV: “Radiation has spread from the reactors and the reading seems high. There is a very high risk of further radioactive material coming out.

“We would like to ask you to remain indoors, at home or in your offices and avoid going outside.”

Chief Cabinet Secretary Yukio Edano added: “Now we are talking about levels that can damage human health. There is no mistake about that.”

He also said a fourth reactor was on fire at the plant that has been hit by three blasts in four days. One reactor was no longer sealed, sparking fears of further leaks. Two workers were reported missing.

US experts fear the danger level will be upgraded to seven. That has only been used once before, at Chernobyl in 1986.

Nuclear expert John Harris said: “It seems to be getting more serious as days go by.

>> No.2714488

told you its going to happen, its a vicious cycle.
water cooling != solution
USA should use its carrier's reactor to generate electricity to get some of their shitty pump going.

>> No.2714497

>>2714453
From the other thread. Take from it what you want; it's reporters and they're playing with words they don't know so there's no guarantee they're right.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12755739
Mentions peaks at 1000 mSv (presumably per hour)

http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/78481.html
Mentions 10 mSv per hour as though it's URGENT when we've had confirmation for a long time that it's been floating around 10 to 20 mSv/hr. Presumably a mistake and actually 10 Sv/h.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hr2sPhUE6ja0EMclJeUeGSQAON-g?docId=7e3dd7128b804f5
d965554ff69375e76
Also mentions 1000 mSv, again presumably per hour.

There are probably other sources. The only one that states or implies 10 Sv/hr is the second, and that's got a mistake in it so take it for what you will. No matter what, it's going to hell out there.

>> No.2714510

>#0433: France is now urging its nationals in Tokyo to leave Japan or head to the south of the country, Reuters reports. It says Paris has asked the Air France carrier to provide planes for the evacuation.

France is, once again, confirmed for pussies.

>> No.2714512

>>2714482

Implying that these sensationalist media aren't reporting the situation in the worst way possible.

>> No.2714513

South Korea plans to send an emergency shipment of cooling material to Japan to help control its quake-damaged nuclear reactors. Tokyo has asked for 52 tonnes of boron, a key material used for regulating nuclear chain reactions, as it is running short of the metalloid to cool the overheated Fukushima reactors, Seoul said. "We've sent boron samples. Now, we are scraping up all we got," a South Korean official said.

>> No.2714516

>>2714488
bring in the giant orange extension cord!

>> No.2714517

>>2714497
The 1 Sv is pretty plausible (Yesterday it peaked at 400 mSv), it was the 10 Sv I was shocked about.

Most detailed and accurate information I can find in English:
http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/

Requires a bit of interpretation of your own, but it beats idiots with journalism degrees who can't even get terminology right.

>> No.2714519

>>2714512
Sure, however the government and utility company have a record of underreporting such things. I'm inclined to believe its somewhere between the two.

>> No.2714520

>>2714513

Link?

>> No.2714532

>>2714517
neither did you. the correct unit is Sv/h.

>> No.2714533

lol @ anderson cooper saying 'this is now the greatest nuclear disaster we have ever seen, worse than chernobyl'. the fucking workers are still there! also: NOT CHERNOBYL.

>> No.2714537

>>2714517
Wikipedia says 1000mSv. if it were 10 Sv, then they'd have a lot more dead staff.

>> No.2714547

>>2714520

http://www.news.com.au/world/magnitude-quake-strikes-japan/story-e6frfkyi-1226019903430

>> No.2714550

>>2714533

This has the potential of reaching Chernobyl levels with the breech in the containment vessel being reported.
With that said, Anderson Cooper is a fucking idiot.

>> No.2714554

>>2714533
the workers were always at chernobyl, so what?

>> No.2714560

>>2714533

Also no, the workers have been evacuated as of an hour ago or so.

>> No.2714572

>>2714497
Theey say radiation keeps going up and down, in spikes:

"A spike in radiation levels near the reactors on Tuesday ranged from 30 to 400 millisieverts. A single dose of 1,000 millisieverts -- or one sievert -- causes temporary radiation sickness such as nausea and vomiting."

>> No.2714585

>>2714560
there was some shit on 'Reuters Live' that the radiation levels supposedly decreased *cough cough* and that the workers were allowed back in.

>> No.2714591

>>2714550

>has the potential
>it's not a bomb
>hysteria helps everyone

>> No.2714592

>>2714550

No it doesn't.

This has no chance of reaching Chernobyl levels.

There has been no breach in the main containment of each reactor.

>> No.2714599

>>2714592
There's suspected damage in the containment on both reactors 2 and 3.

>> No.2714603

>>2714585
The power company increased their allowed limit 2.5 times so that the workers could be forced to go back because it is now safe.

>> No.2714605

>>2714560
immediate death is rare in low dose exposure. but it sure will come back and fuck with the workers due to long period under the radiations. the bitch will destroy their Mitosis.

>> No.2714606

>>2714560

Also no, Anderson the idiot is reporting that the workers who remain behind are almost certainly going to sacrifice themselves for the good of all blah blah blah

>> No.2714607

>>2714592

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12745186

>> No.2714609

>>2714592
>no breach in the main containment of each reactor

who knows. the explosion at #2 has people wondering. they can't even get close enough to tell

>> No.2714613

>>2714592
you sound like you're just trying to convince yourself at this point.

>> No.2714618

>>2714592
They don't know that. They fuckin loist control, and pulled all the staff out.

But they admitted that the envelope may have been breached on at least one reactor (i think it was 2).

>> No.2714623

>>2714605
possibility for the "walking death" syndrome. you pretty much receive a large radiation dose, feel fine for a few days and then massive organ failure appears out of nowhere

>> No.2714630

>>2714599

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/uploadedImages/wnn/Images/bwr%20cutaway.jpg

That entire building is considered the "containment"

You see that top level?

That's what exploded from hydrogen re combiners not working. Allowing a build up of hydrogen gass in the top of the building.

Guess what actually matters?

The section in the middle that has reinforced concrete seven inches thick.

>> No.2714643

>>2714623
not really in that dose level, unless its direct short burst from like a nuke blast. but mitosis will sure as fuck give them cancer.
the aftermath will open up slowly.

>> No.2714644

>>2714618
Cont:
This is why the Japs are now thinking of sending helicopters to spray some boric acid over the place. They can't get closer on the ground anymore, radiation too high

>> No.2714647

>>2714630

The torus is cracked bro.

>> No.2714649

>>2714630
because a steam explosion within the core cannot possibly punch a hole through 8" of concrete...

>> No.2714651

>>2714630
www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12745186
The Chief Cabinet Secretary says there is believed to be damage to reactor 3's containment from which radiation is leaking out of.

http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300252224P.pdf
This document as linked by a kind gentleman and /sci/entist above indicates that there is suspected damage to the containment integrity of reactor 2.

We aren't talking about building damage any more. We're talking about the actual reactor containment.

>> No.2714655

on cnn japanese man is translated as saying 'i'm scared. i can see the radiation'.

trollface.png

>> No.2714660

Correct me if I am wrong. (And I know you will /sci/) But I was under the impression Chernobyl to some degree was LAWLS LETS PUSH THIS FUCKING BITCH TO THE LIMI-OH FUCK

>> No.2714664

>>2714655
i can see radiation too. it's called the visible spectrum

>> No.2714665

>>2714630
>>2714630

>The section in the middle that has reinforced concrete seven inches thick.

>7 inches dick

>bigger than your dick

>mfw


seriously, what good is 7 inches concrete compared to this level of radiation?

Also, they should re-inforce such places with 100 metre wide LEAD walls.

>> No.2714667

>>2714630
>>2714630
Actually they think there is a crack in the torus of one of the reactors.

>> No.2714671

>>2714647

That hasn't been confirmed. Or at least I haven't seen it on WNN or IAEA.
>>2714649

Steam explosion =/= hydrogen explosion.

No there is a reason why the NRC requires all reactors have a stimulation of a plane fly into their containment domes.

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>>2714027
local in the sense of maybe a mile around the plant? yes.

the only reason they're really bothering to keep them cool is to save clean up costs for the plant owners, and just in case, like, the containment vessel gets hit by a meteor and breaches or something.

>> No.2714678

>>2714644
Workers were sent back in, but keep running in circles while flailing your arms about.

>> No.2714679

>>2714655
wtf. link?

self-suggestion.

>> No.2714681

>>2714665
well lead does have a low melting temp. maybe they could use depleted uranium encased between layers of concrete

>> No.2714684

CNN MIT guy makes an excellent point in asking where is the IAEA in this and why is the Japanese utility company still being allowed to 'handle' this?

>> No.2714688

>>2714655
you could actually "see" and "feel" the radiation if its particle is strong enough. fucking science bro.

>> No.2714690

>>2714665

Have you ever had a Strength of materials and radiation protection class? Yeah I thought so.

>> No.2714693

It's over. Japan is finished. No more anime.

>> No.2714694

>>2714660

Sort of.
The big reason that shit hit the fan was the lack of a containment vessel -- Basically a supposedly nearly invincible wall of concrete around the reactor which allowed radiation to escape once the meltdown had occurred.
The problem that we're seeing right now is that even though the Daichi plant, like all modern plants, has containment vessels around the reactors, the torus on one of them appears to be cracked. If the pressure continues to increase within the containment vessel, the crack could widen and then everything is fucked.

>> No.2714697

>>2714630
>seven inches
try 3-4 feet, 21 to 28 inches.
seriously they fly f-14 phantoms into it to test its structural capacity, it doesn't even chip

>> No.2714699

>>2714655
he was talking about those weird clouds that looked like a cross between california aerial pesticide clouds and daytime northern lights

>occurred just before the major quake....it wasn't HAARP, i swear

>> No.2714703

>>2714688
if the radiation is super strong, it is possible for electrons to strike the atoms within your eyes, creating visible light by electron charge pumping. some guy in a chernoby vid said that he experienced this. said he could see flashes of light even with his eyes closed!

>> No.2714704

>>2714693
Though, Akira might become a documentary.

>> No.2714710

>>2714703
that's pretty much exclusive to chernobyl. Astonauts get it too, but only because of high energy cosmic rays

>> No.2714713

>>2714703
Its Cherenkov radiation, particles traveling at superluminal speeds in a medium.

>> No.2714717

>>2714688

Yes, but I highly doubt that was what the seventy-something year old man meant, or what the translator meant.

Would the rest of you like some hysteria with your hysteria?

>> No.2714720

>>2714697
propaganda and you are buying it?
is the building intact? Yes
is the f-14 intact? also Yes and still working afterward.

>> No.2714727

>>2714710
Its also a sign of a criticality accident

>> No.2714728

>>2714671

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/newsarticle.aspx?id=29632&terms=torus

They aren't making a big deal out of it however.

>> No.2714729

>>2714655
Reminds me of when some Tibetan doctor came to my university to lecture and claimed he could see hemoglobin with just his eyes.

>> No.2714730

>>2714694

That's not remotely correct.

The Russian reactor used a graphite moderator that exploded and burned in the most violently way possible. They also had no containment dome.

The Japanese reactors are light boiling water reactors. They do not have the same opportunities to explode and burn. They are kept at a low enough pressure to not cause an explosion. These have containment domes.

>> No.2714733

>>2714717
Yes please, I love my hysteria en masse

>> No.2714734

>>2714720
yes, it's like a bird flying into a window. the plane was dazed for a few seconds but then it fired up its turbine and headed back into the clouds

>> No.2714743

>>2714729
everyone can see haemoglobin with just their eyes.

>> No.2714746
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2714746

Meanwhile in Japan it's nuclear winter.

Pic related. It's snowing with cesium flakes.

>> No.2714748

now after saying that the workers are there and are sacrificing their lives he's back to saying that they're all gone.

i think they need to fill airtime. next commercial break they'll hear that the workers are giving their lives for etc. again

>> No.2714750

>>2714704
The Japanese always have seemed to secretly want Tokyo to be destroyed. Looks like they might just get their wish.

No problem though, they'll just create Tokyo-2.

>> No.2714754

>>2714746
>cesium flakes

sounds like a new cereal brand

>> No.2714759

>>2714754
DO NOT TRY POURING MILK ON IT

>> No.2714770

>>2714759
snap, crackle, pop

>> No.2714772

>>2714759
well damn. screw that cereal. can you pour beer on it?

>> No.2714773

>>2714730


I wasn't talking about the issues that the reactor itself was experiences, I was talking about the reason that the Chernobyl meltdown was so terrible -- A lack of a containment vessel.

Where the fuck in my post was there inaccurate information?
Science for non-scientists cannot get technical... That's why the media is being so fucking retarded right now.

>> No.2714777

>>2714139
Thanks friend, after reading that it cleared a lot of doubts. I guess we really need to push for fusion power now.

>> No.2714779

>>2714734
get real here. japan needs to maintain its image, and I don't doubt USA and EU pressure them to.
cancer from radiation is real, the reactor is FUBAR. japan is not saving it, its only trying to keep their reps by sending worker only for them to die a later time.

>> No.2714788

>>2714773

Sorry, it was correct but at the point you suggested the reactors at Chernobyl had containment domes' that disappeared.

It read wrong. Sorry

>> No.2714789

>>2714743

where i live you can see the aurora borealis

sometimes when i close my eyes in the car and go through light and shade rapidly it excites some part of my brain or eye and i see very bright colors

i also see dead people

OH MY GOD WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE

>> No.2714791
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2714791

>>2714697
>>2714697
>>2714697
>>2714697
>>2714697
>>2714697
>>2714697
>seriously they fly f-14 phantoms into it to test its structural capacity, it doesn't even chip
>f-14
>phantoms
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
pic related but you wouldn't get it

>> No.2714800

>>2714791

THANK YOU

Someone had to post this. It was pissing me off.

>> No.2714808

>>2714788


Never did I say that the domes "disappeared" I specifically said a "lack of" which means that there were none in the first place. Thanks.

>> No.2714809

>>2714791
oh yeah...tomcats. some people cannot airplane

>> No.2714817

>>2714809
>>2714809


No, you were right about the phantom part. Not the F-14 part.
They used F-4 PHANTOMS to test it.

EFF FOUR FANN TUMMS

>> No.2714820

So how fucked is Japan?

Virals and doomsayers don't need to apply here.

>> No.2714824

>>2714817
quit yelling at me! *cries* i didn't even post the shit about "F-14 Phantoms" in the first place. mean people everywhere *sniff sniff*

>> No.2714826

Even after reading everything I've read today, I'm still confused about the difference between a graphite reactor and a boiling water reactor. Also if that information is a moot point. Would a boiling water reactor behave in the same way as a graphite reactor in a meltdown scenario?

Also, if there's no explosion to shoot the stuff into the atmosphere like at Chernobyl, just how far are the radioactive particles actually going to travel?

>> No.2714834

>>2714820
not TOO fucked. some close proximity to the site right now including worker will develop cancer.
IF the steam from the melted fuel rod get vented it will get air borne and affect more people, potential covering hundreds of square miles.

and then live action Akira will star Leonardo DiCaprio. FUCK YEAH.

>> No.2714842

>>2714826
the soviet style graphite moderated reactor contained a series of tubes (insert joke here) that that pumped in water and this water was converted into steam. the water never came into direct contact with the fuel rods. a boiling water reactor is cooled directly with water, the water is converted into steam, and then that steam passes into a heat converter where the energy is passed into another water loop

>> No.2714851

A somewhat bigger problem is that according to Bloomberg, which has now caught up to our radiation reporting by prefecture, the radiation in Ibaraki has reached 15,800 nanosieverts/hour at 11:40 am, which is 300 times normal. The spin: this is one third the amount of radiation in a chest X-ray. What is not mentioned is that an X-ray is exposure measured in one instant, whereas in this case the irradiation goes on for hour, after hour, after hour. And some other unpleasant news: NTT DOCOMO has announced it will limit up to 80% of voice calls in neighboring Chiba and Ibaraki prefectures, and up to 50% in Tokyo. Whether this is to conserves some mystical telephonic energy or to prevent the spread of panic is unclear. As this latest news is digested watch for the drift.

>> No.2714853

>>2714824

My apologies.

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2714866

Most recent news (<2h ago):

Workers briefly abandon Japan nuclear plant as crisis worsens

Workers were ordered to withdraw briefly from a stricken Japanese nuclear power plant on Wednesday after radiation levels surged, Kyodo news reported, a development that suggested the crisis was spiraling out of control.

Just hours earlier another fire broke out at the earthquake-crippled plant, which has sent low levels of radiation wafting into Tokyo in the past 24 hours, triggering both fear in the capital and international alarm.

France urged its nationals either to leave Japan or head to the south and asked Air France to provide planes for evacuation. In a statement, the French embassy in Tokyo said two planes were already on their way to the capital.

Academics and nuclear experts said the solutions being proposed to quell radiation leaks at the Daiichi nuclear plant in Fukushima were last-ditch efforts to stem what could well be remembered as one of the world's worst industrial disasters.

>> No.2714873

>>2714851
>conserves some mystical telephonic energy or to prevent the spread of panic

Probably they want to conserve bandwidth for the use of emergency services and people who actually need to call them. I could surmise 2ch is having record traffic and clogging up shit there.

>> No.2714875

>>2714866
lovely how even in this era, the latest news is 2 hours old

>> No.2714882

"This is a slow-moving nightmare," said Dr Thomas Neff, a research affiliate at the Center for International Studies, which is part of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Workers were trying to build a road so fire trucks could reach the stricken reactor No. 4 which was on fire on Wednesday.

Public broadcaster NHK said flames were no longer visible at the building housing the reactor, but TV pictures showed smoke or steam rising from the facility around 9 p.m. ET.

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>>2714842
>a series of tubes
>Nuclear power
I think I finally understand what happened at Chernobyl.

>> No.2714890

I think it's about time to solve this once and for all, the ukranian way.

Dump tons of concrete on top of it and forget about it.

>> No.2714893

>>2714890
"bio robots" to the rescue! who wants to sign up? come on, don't be shy!

>> No.2714896

>>2714890

That's what I've been saying.

It's seriously about time to start trucking/flying in the motherfucking concrete.

>> No.2714900

solution. hire some fucker to scrap the melted fuel rod with excavators, drive the fucker and dump it in pacific. pay that son of bitch some millions. problem fucking solved.

>> No.2714903

>>2714875
That means nothing significant happened in the last less than 2hourse. Also it's reuters, so it takes time to make sure they're not reporting second-hand shit or hearsay. Continuation:

In the first hint of international frustration at the pace of updates from Japan, Yukiya Amano, director general of the International Atomic Energy Agency, said he wanted more timely and detailed information.

"We do not have all the details of the information so what we can do is limited," Amano told a news conference in Vienna. "I am trying to further improve the communication."

Several experts said the Japanese authorities were underplaying the severity of the incident, particularly on a scale called INES used to rank nuclear incidents. The Japanese have so far rated the accident a four on a one-to-seven scale, but that rating was issued on Saturday and since then the situation has worsened dramatically.

>> No.2714910

>>2714903
>That means nothing significant happened in the last less than 2hourse

oh no no no i cannot believe that. the japanese gov't and TEPCO have a history of not releasing information until *they* decide it is necessary

>> No.2714919

>>2714875
The latest news from Japan => It's snowing.

>> No.2714924

>>2714919
oh good. now they can go skiing down the hills of debris and human bodies

>> No.2714929

>>2714919
Yeah I was just looking on an unsecured network camera (via google search) and found a couple japanese cams with snow.

>> No.2714931

Okay then, question the second. If dropping a fuckton of concrete and sand and shit on top of it would help, why aren't they doing it?

>> No.2714936

>>2714910
You can take a trip to Japan and get closer to the power plants for the most uptodate news then.

>> No.2714938

>>2714931
That would require a fuckton of concrete and sand, and all the Japanese "Fuckton of Concrete and Sand" stores are all closed.

>> No.2714940

>>2714938
you mean they don't have Home Depot?

>> No.2714945

>>2714940

Home Depot only rates as a "shitton" on the tonnage of concrete scale. We need at least two metric "fucktons."

>> No.2714947

>>2714940
they probably do but it sell sex toys instead.

>> No.2714948

http://www.world-nuclear-news.org/RS_Second_fire_reported_at_unit_4_1603111.html
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-12307698

The situation as it stands, mostly free from hyperbole.

The developing situation at 3 looks to be similar to the one at 2, suggesting another cracked containment vessel. The fire at 4, which was largely responsible for spikes in radiation levels and subsequent evacuations, is most likely extinguished at this point. Expect a good update from the IAEA within the next few hours.

>> No.2714952

>>2714940
I see where you're going with this but there aren't enough Mexican migrant workers in Japan to do this job.

>> No.2714954

>>2714945
everyone knows from minecraft that if you dump sand into something hot, it will turn into perfect glass cubes. at least then the workers would be able to see into the reactor buildings

>> No.2714964

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2011/03/16/Crippled-nuclear-plant-poses-more-problems/UPI-288
81300253452/

"The possibility of re-criticality is not zero,'' the utility said Wednesday.

well. fuck.

>> No.2714971

>>2714964
It's not surprising. Neither is the general interpretation of "not zero" as "guaranteed".

>> No.2714972

>>2714964
would lack of cooling + recriticality bring them up to Chernobyl level disaster, a nice steam explosion or something?

>> No.2714977

Winds are shifting inland. Ruh roh roobie roo.

>> No.2714984

>>2714972

Maybe. It would take A LOT.

Seriously. The only thing that can be said is that things would have to get WAY worse for anything like Chernobyl to happen.
However, in light of recent events, it seems POSSIBLE for such a shitstorm to occur.

>> No.2714985

>>2714945

Fr namefag

Your inability to answer any questions at all apart from saying "We're fucked" makes me think that you are an alarmist idiot.

Why *don't* they dump concrete? Since there is no explosion happening like it did in Chernobyl, how is this massive radioactive plume going to kill everyone?

Not mad, just sick of opinions masquerading as fact.

Fuck off and goodnight.

>> No.2714988

>>2714964
Time to get out the fresh batch of H2BO3

>> No.2714994

>>2714985
they might as well encase the whole shithole in some material, because cleanup after this whole thing is over is going to be a serious bitch

>> No.2714999

Symptoms of acute radiation (within one day):

0–0.25 Sv: None
0.25–1 Sv: Some people feel nausea and loss of appetite; bone marrow, lymph nodes, spleen damaged.
1–3 Sv: Mild to severe nausea, loss of appetite, infection; more severe bone marrow, lymph node, spleen damage; recovery probable, not assured.
3–6 Sv: Severe nausea, loss of appetite; hemorrhaging, infection, diarrhea, skin peels, sterility; death if untreated.
6–10 Sv: Above symptoms plus central nervous system impairment; death expected.
Above 10 Sv: Incapacitation and death.

>> No.2715004

>>2714994
That might be holding them back. If they do go for the sarcophagus option, clean up will not be helped. They might be exacerbating the problem, since we know Chernobyl, despite bearing a completely different structural design, has yet to be truly purged of its waste material.

>> No.2715011

>>2714999
Good thing they preemptively evacuated.

>> No.2715014

the real damage will be to the local environment and the economy. this site is not in the middle of nowhere like Ukraine, it's in very near a large city, Sendai, and not too far from Tokyo.
If you have substantial environmental leakage you can bet real estate prices across the area will drop resulting in catastrophic results economically. Japan's economy is still dependent on its real estate and if that crashed you are seeing some 5% decrease in GDP without immediate bounce back. National debt will be further down rated and the rippling effect will shake the whole world economy that's trying to get back to growing.

>> No.2715032

>>2715014
Well said. Call me an optimist, but I'm hoping that the global severity of this event, economically, will result in increased cooperation in the realms of science and energy. I definitely don't want people in India, Brazil, or Africa building reactors the IAEA is not ok with.

>> No.2715045

>>2714985

Not alarmist, just realist.

I have not, once, said that everything is fucked.
What I am simply saying is that at this point in time it is completely irresponsible to downplay the severity of the situation. The torus is almost definitely cracked on reactor #2 and possibly cracked on another (#3?). The fuel ponds are warming rapidly and water level standing between them and disaster is cause for concern.
TEPCO DOES NOT have the situation under control.


All yesterday I was one of the people laughing at those making a big deal out of this. The situation seemed relatively under control -- It's not.
TEPCO is showing a complete inability to do anything and is just spewing forth flustered denial at this point.

I'm not a source of news so I can't give you up to the minute information. What do you want from me?

The reason that they aren't pouring concrete on everything is that first of all, they don't have enough or the ability to just build a giant concrete sarcophagus with no notice. Second of all, there were originally hopes to salvage some materials and no one expected this to happen so no preparations were made.

>> No.2715051

So...i'm familiar with the concept of critical mass, but since a nuclear power plant can't actually produce a nuclear explosion, could someone define recriticality for me? Google failed me and wikipedia is getting me nowhere since I don't really know what I'm looking for.

>> No.2715052

>>2714948
The problem is:
1. IAEA are waiting for the Japs' govt to give them information. They have complained they don't get much (hint: they're not in Japan).

2. News agencies also get their information from the govt and the Japanese nuclear agency. But they are not interested in giving the most critical stuff, because they're trying to avoid panic and blame.

3. Even when news agencies get their news in Japan it takes time to process and compare them with possibly other sources. The Japanese government shouldn't be trusted 100%. They have been downplaying it all along.

4. All that was to report about what happens was already reported. The workers have been pulled off, there's no one to see inside the reactors right now. They're considering throwing boric acid from helicopters to avoid chain reactions in the cores.

>> No.2715066

>>2715051
take a look at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harry_Daghlian

>> No.2715070

>>2715051
Self-sustained nuclear reaction (fission)

>> No.2715075

#
0623: Workers at the Fukushima plant have returned after being evacuated, CNN is quoting Tokyo Electric Power Company as saying.

>> No.2715084

>>2715075
Yeah, they were only out for like 40 minutes

>> No.2715085

>>2715051


A nuclear fission reaction beyond what the reactor is capable of sustaining. It could cause melting of the fuel rods.

>> No.2715088

>>2715066
>>2715070
>>2715085

I expected to be bitched at for that. Thanks guys.

>> No.2715089

>>2715084
Heroes need food? This isn't like my Japanese anime.

>> No.2715101

I live in the SF Bay Area. If all 6 meltdown? What are the chances of the radiation eventually making its way to the west coast and how bad would it be?

>> No.2715104

The reason why information on the situation is so sparse is because Fukushima 1 isn't a power plant at all, it's the location of a nuclear weapon called metal gear.

>> No.2715105

>>2715101
you'll be fine. don't be like those morons in Vancouver and buy up all the iodine you can find

>> No.2715109

>>2715101
IT ALREADY HAS! GET OUT OF THERE, KID!

>> No.2715114

>>2715105
Shit, I knew I had to buy stocks of iodine tablet producers.

>> No.2715116

>>2715085
No.

A nuclear reactor that produces power IS critical.

Criticality means exactly that it's producing energy.

A runaway criticality is probably what you're thinking.

>> No.2715124

>>2715101

All 6 will not meltdown. It just won't happen. Especially because #4 is offline.
Even if they did, the containment vessels should do their jobs as long as they are not breached.
#2 has a breach that may or may not be serious, it depends on worker's abilities to keep pumping water into the fuel ponds.
#3 may or may not have breach similar to #2's

If by some smiting of God, all six reactors are melt down (Won't happen) and have their main containment vessels breached as well (Almost certainly will not happen) Northern Japan would be utterly fucked.
The US might receive ultra low amounts of radiation but nothing dangerous to your health.
Dangerous radiation from Chernobyl (Which is WAY worse than this will almost definitely turn out.) spread about 1000 miles -- Far less than the distance between Japan and the Western US.

>> No.2715127

>0524: Taro Kono, a Japanese opposition politician, criticises the government for not releasing information about the smoke above the Fukushima nuclear plant earlier. He tells the BBC that a three-hour delay in informing people has caused concern among the population.

Welp...that's confirmed. Governments covering up serious shit.

>> No.2715128

>>2715116


Yep. You're right.
Though I'd still argue that the reactor has no business producing power at this point considering that the Torus is fucked up and the cooling mechanism are as well...
So any re criticality could be runaway.

>> No.2715134

>>2715127

Nah, just means that the opposition is using this as an opportunity for political clout.

>> No.2715138

According to Reuters, wind is now blowing towards the Pacific.
http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2

>> No.2715142

>>2715138
There goes Seattle ;_;

>> No.2715146

It's kind of funny to see Glenn beck being the only person in the media not overacting about this and using logic
Shits on fire yo

>> No.2715149

>>2715142
and nothing of value was lost? just kidding, that would be a shame, but nothing dangerous will likely float that way

>> No.2715150

>>2715128
I wasn't protesting anything else than the terminology.

Mixing criticality with a runaway one could cause unnecessary dread when someone read a list of reactors and saw how each one had become critical immediately upon completion.

>> No.2715153

>>2715146

Just looked at his site, the explanations he gives are truly stupid.
It's good that he's trying not to sensationalize this but still.. Its for the wrong reasons.

>> No.2715158

>>2715146
it seems everyone on 4chan hates beck for some reason, but i watched his show for the past 2 days and quite honestly it was pretty decent. his "M&M nuke plant" demo was pretty pretty funny

>> No.2715161

>>2715153
Some parts he was but he was more sensible then the rest and i don't even like the guy

>> No.2715162

>>2715153
what in particular did you find that was pretty stupid?

>> No.2715164

>>2715150

Haha, indeed.

Thanks for correcting me.

>> No.2715165

>>2715014
>middle of nowhere like Ukraine
I was not aware Pripyat was "nowhere"

>> No.2715171

>>2715162

http://www.glennbeck.com/content/blog/stu/stu-blog-who-should-we-believe-about-the-nuke-crisis-in-ja
pan/

"Hypothetically, if the water all boils and evaporates, then the fuel will stay molten and eventually melt through the steel vessel. But that’s already beyond a hypothetical worst-case scenario for me. The steel vessel is four inches thick, and they could always put seawater around the vessel, and that would keep it cool, so it can’t melt."

>> No.2715173

>>2715165
All of eastern europe is in the middle of nowhere

>> No.2715176

>>2715165
it was relatively nowhere because nearly everyone who lived there worked for the power plant. if not for the power plant, nobody would live there anyway. Kiev on the other hand was and is more important

>> No.2715182
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2715182

Let's not turn this into a Glenn Beck discussion thread.

>> No.2715185

>>2715158

The problem with Beck is that he's way over-the-top and cartoonish in his presentation. Even if you agree with him, his style is such that it's hard to take him seriously.

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>> No.2715189

>>2715182
calm thyself down

wow look at this pic of the reactor site. crazy stuff

http://live.reuters.com/Event/Japan_earthquake2

>> No.2715204

>>2715189

Eh. Sorry, politics tends to ruin semi-decent threads.

>> No.2715205

>>2715185
I find it amusing
I'd rather have it that way than a dull newscast.

>> No.2715226

So for the uninformed, what are the environmental consequences of this likely to be? Increased rates of cancer in surrounding areas, and damage to local sea life? How long does it take the local area to bounce back? I know Chernobyl is still toxic, especially the buildings and soil, but from photos the area looks like a goddamn natural paradise (with a bunch of overgrown buildings in it.)

>> No.2715228
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2715228

New satelit photo of fukushima nuclear plant

>> No.2715235

>>2715228
wait am i seeing this right? the walls on 3 and 4 are gone?

>> No.2715236

Pressure in the #2 containment vessel has fallen according to Reuters..

This could be either a good thing or a sign that the crack has widened (Or a new crack formed)

>> No.2715239

>>2715236

Temperature too.

Everything seems good.

>> No.2715244

>>2715235

2 and 3, yes.

>> No.2715265

>>2715244
I'm pretty sure they're numbered from the north, not the south, or am I misunderstanding you?

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>> No.2715284

Indeed.

Ignore that post. I was working entirely off the basis of assumption -- A fail thing to do.
Sorry.

>> No.2715288

>>2715274
EVERYTHING IS FINE NOTHING IS GOING TO HAPPEN WE HAVE EVERYTHING UNDER CONTROL NUCLEAR POWER IS 100% SAFE

>> No.2715294

>>2715228
In this picture, the reactors are 1-4 from right to left.

Number 2 is the one with only a hole in the wall.

Number 1 has lost upper side of the walls.

Numbers 3 and 4 have lost most of the walls.

>> No.2715300
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2715300

Seems like the recent happenings at Fukushima have evoked strong reactions.

>> No.2715303

This has to be the longest a reactor has almost exploded. Japan is such a tease.
.
.
.
But seriously I'm scared... ;_;

>> No.2715308

>>2715300
>oh_u.jpg

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2715312

>>2715288
MAKING BUILDINGS IS COMPLETELY SAFE NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

>> No.2715313

>>2715274
>>2715294
Yeah EVERYTHING IS FINE NOTHING TO SEE HERE.

I've noticed NHK World doesnt show its stream of the power plants anymore, must be at the request of the jap government.

>> No.2715314

The spin control in Japan must be pretty strong if the civilian population has not gone on the rails about this yet. You'd make the communists proud, Japan.

>> No.2715322

I wonder if they'd show us the pictures of the burned buildings at all if we didn't have neutral satellite picturing.

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2715326

>>2713879
>mfw a bunch of people who do not reside in Japan invest a heavy amount of interest in what occurs in Japan and rely on news sources eminating out of Japan to evolve said interest and opinion on current events in Japan despite not residing in said country or anywhere nearby, ergo making their assumptions not only baseless but also unfounded and speculatory at best.

>> No.2715333

>>2715314
>google 2chan
>hit "translate this page"
>go to "east earthquake"
>read what japan has to say about it
lots of engrish but still gets the point across

>> No.2715349

Oh look, the kids woke and started trolling.

>>2715303
why, do you live in japan? if not, the only thing to be afraid of getting bit by a rabid greenie in orgasm-induced rage.

>> No.2715354

Parents,
The internet is not your baby sitter.

>> No.2715360
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2715360

>>2715349


The delayed release of episode 11 of Puella Magi Madoka Magica ;_;

>> No.2715365

>>2715360
FUCK, ARE YOU SERIOUS?!

FUCK!

>> No.2715372

>>2715360
lol, I've been wondering if Claymore or The world God only knows will be delayed. Probably.

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2715374

>>2715365


Mehbeh.

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2715379

I'm surprised wikileaks hasn't had anything to say about this yet, guess the Japanese government is doing a good job containing the leaks.

>> No.2715384

Also, operators are apparently leaning towards the idea that the pressure and temp are dropping due to a new or larger crack in the containment vessel at the moment.

Fuck.

>> No.2715387

from reuters: "Cesium, iodine found in tapwater in Fukushima, no impact on health - Kyodo"

i do not understand this logic...

>> No.2715393

>>2715360
FUCK

That's it, it's the end of the world as we know it.

>> No.2715394

>>2715360
>>2715365
According to /a/, 11 is good to go (barring nuclear catastrophe), but everything else is delayed ;_;

>> No.2715398

>>2715387
Minute amounts are always in tapwater.

>> No.2715401

>>2715398
but are these increased levels from the baseline norm?

>> No.2715404

>>2715394
Fuck, I just rechecked /a/ and they said 11 got delayed too! FUCK ;_;

>> No.2715406

>>2715398
Next they'll be saying they found hydrogen in tap water and all of Japan is going to explode.

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2715407

>>2715394


11 is good to go?!

FUCK YES!

But wait, so the last one is going to be delayed?

The fuck?

>> No.2715408

Question:
I ask this mostly out of curiosity, not concern.

I've got about 100g of lab-grade potassium iodide in my darkroom; is this of any use in the event of a radioactive situation?

>> No.2715409

>>2715408
sprinkle it on your wheaties in the morning

>> No.2715410

>>2715407

>>2715404

You bastard who tempts the hearts of Otakus..

>> No.2715416

>>2715409
Squatz, oatz and iodide!

>> No.2715419

>>2715410
Sorry bro. This is one of those "When it rains, it pours" events.

>> No.2715420

>>2715416
is this /sp/'s new strategy for nuclear doomsday body-building?

>> No.2715439
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2715439

we are going to die people face it...............i will wake up with cancer then kill myself.

>> No.2715444

>>2715420
Yeah, but not too much iodide. Radiation induced mutations might increase your muscle mass, you know.

>> No.2715454
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this melt down has made me stop fapping or rather haven't felt like it in a few days. lost my horny level!!!

>> No.2715465

>>2715454
must be the radiation

>> No.2715474

>Japanese "nuclear disaster" on top of tsunamis and earthquakes captures the world's attention
>"Radiation" and "Smoke" detected outside of key facilities
>"Explosions" seen and heard
>Billions are donated to Japan to stabilize the economy and pay for clean-up ops.
>Japan sucks the world dry as it battles "nuclear terror"
>Japanese debt is paid off and nuclear crisis "is averted" out of nowhere
>Japan poised to lead one-world government with new and massive financial strength and emotional appeal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OkT4vAJnJls

>> No.2715475
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All employees have left the power plant.

I wonder if they've gone fishion?

>> No.2715480

"Residents within 10km of Danini plant in Fukushima are being told to evacuate"

reuters

um what?

>> No.2715487

>>2715474
>>2715474
HEADLINE NEWS:
GLORIOUS NIPPON HEADS THE "UNITED NATIONS" OF THE WORLD
ALL IS UNDER NIPPON
WHICH HAS NO MILITARY
YEAH!
ITS BESIDE CHINA BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THEY WILL LET THEM
YEAH!
EVERYONE WOULD TOTALLY GIVE BILLIONS AND TRILLIONS AND NOT MILLIONS
YEAH!

>> No.2715488

>>2715474
No no no.

Japan is being held hostage by earthquake machines.

>> No.2715490

>>2715488
north korean or chinese built earthquake machines?

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>>2715465
im sure it is. soon my dick will fall off also start to puke/shit myself lose hair and die a slow painful death!!!

>> No.2715499

>>2715490
HAARP, jesus, did you just become a CTer yesterday?

>> No.2715507

>>2715487
>>2715488
>Exactly what they want you to think
KATTA!

>> No.2715510

>>2715499
your words befuddle my tiny mind

>> No.2715526

This is what happens when a jet crashes into a nuclear power plant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25vlt7swhCM

>> No.2715546

>>2715526
it is a great barrier for kinetic energy, not thermal energy fag.

>> No.2715569

>>2715546
Wasn't trying to prove anything, people were just talking about jets in here.

>> No.2715592

>>2715546
>doesn't know thermal energy is kinetic energy.

>> No.2715600

>HURR THIS JUST PROVES HOW SAFE NUCLEAR ENERGY IS DURR!

>> No.2715618

this makes no sense. nuclear reactor meltdown on this long of a timeframe? it would have happened by now.

>> No.2715632

>>2715546
You just went full retard.

>> No.2715637

>meltdown

The economical loss of 6 reactors would be far bigger problem (and that's for TEPCO) than any potential radiation (which would be fuck-all) for humans and the environment.

The oil refinery that burned in Chiba has caused a metric fuckton of CO2 emissions into the atmosphere and has caused multiple times more damage to the environment than anything that could at this point happen in Fukushima.

>> No.2715642

>>2715618
Lrn how 2 half life

>> No.2715643

How exactly is it possible for the stabilized cores to become critical again? Do the decaying materials left by the spent fuel give off the neutron radiation required to restart the reaction in the unspent fuel?

>> No.2715661

>>2715637
Implying most of it wouldn't of ended up in the environment anyway, you are right but Fossil fuels are much worse than nuclear fuels in polluting the environment.

>> No.2715675

>>2715661
And Stalin was much worse than Hitler, but who fucking cares?

>> No.2715676

Even if there's a complete meltdown, there can't be a Chernobyl-style explosion. It's a different reactor design and a different meltdown issue. The radioactive material that is ending up in the environment is mostly tritium, which is a low energy beta emitter, not that dangerous. They're registering traces of I-131 and Cs-137, and while they're locally dangerous, there won't be significant long-term effects.

There might be long-term but localized issues if a complete meltdown does occur and the quakes have damaged the catch basins.

There's a reasonably good discussion here http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/12/japan-nuclear-earthquake/ with posts by some nuclear scientists.

>> No.2715701

>>2715661
>wouldn't of
Wouldn't have* you illiterate fuck.

>> No.2715745

>>2715701

Those idiots are a daimond dozen on 4chan these days.

>> No.2715772

>>2715745
You stop that right now.

>> No.2715791

>>2715772
What you're problem?

>> No.2715803

>>2715772
he's obviously just a troll, ignore

>> No.2715818

>>2715772
You taking your non-nucleated life for granite is what upsets me. It's a doggy dog world out there.

>> No.2715826

still just a troll, keep ignoring

>> No.2715902

>>2715745
>>2715791
>>2715818
If you gaise were srs, i'd be raging so hard. But since you're not, epic lulz are being had on my end.

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>>2715826


Pic related

>> No.2715935

>>2715930
I'm ignoring the guy who's tryign to get a reaction by posting childish grammatical errors and typos. Why are you angry at me?

>> No.2715939

>>2715935
*trying
need my fucking sleep

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>>2715935


You're ignoring him by posting about how you are ignoring him?
Seems like the perfect example of being trolled to me.

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>>2715949
It's because there's evidence of a troll-containment breach and isotope Rage has been detected inside this thread.
Just keeping the unwashed villagers informed so I don't get blamed like the japanese government.

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I'm busy working on shit for physics and the Reuters feed keeps ticking loud as fuck in headphones every couple minutes and scaring the shit out of me....
I'd turn it off but I want to stay updated on moonland... Damnit.

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I'm busy working on shit for physics and the Reuters feed keeps ticking loud as fuck in my headphones every couple minutes and scaring the shit out of me....
I'd turn it off but I want to stay updated on moonland... Damnit.

>> No.2716025

>>2715333
>>2715333
>>2715333
Their /new/ is a lot more civil than ours.

http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/national/news/20110316-OYT1T00556.htm
According to this, they have a 16days plan to 'everythingwentbetterthanexpected.jpeg'

>> No.2716040

>>2716025


We don't have /new/ anymore due to the nazishit that people kept spamming it with...

Now they've all come here and to /int/ for the most part...

>> No.2716110

>>2714697


>f-14 phantom.
>no such fighter plane exists.

>> No.2716132

>>2716110

You're late.

>> No.2716138

>>2716132

Better late than never!

>> No.2716167

The amount of radioactive contamination released by human activity is rather small and in most cases negligible in comparison to natural background radiation.

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Time to sign up.