/sci/ - Science & Math

My vision will be augmented.

You die.

Women will have bigger tits due to sexual selection and the higher fertility of busty women.

>>2670164

I don't think thats how it works.

Also, those women mainly augment their bust to appear larger than it actually is; so the genes themselves that are passed on do not reflect this particularity.

>>2670153
Mine is right now.
You jelly?
My nickname is quadroptica.

In about a millenia i predict:

Assuming nothing REALLY BAD happens
(total infrastructure collapse, apocalyptic cathastrophe, nuclear war or alien invasion), I guess we'd have all the stuff we've got now but better (paper thin flexible screens, fastasfuck interwebs etc.). Also some new stuff, like Bose-Einstein-condensate beams ("matter lasers"), nanomachines (awesome medication, uncrackable mechanical computer encryption etc.), cybernetic prostethics superior to organic equivalents (Ghost in the shell, kinda) and AI.

I will be to poor to have my vision augmented.

>>2670207
In a MILLENIA?
Are you stupid?

>>2670207
Also, how good is Ghost in the Shell? i've been thinking about watching it.

>>2670164
Unfortunately, ugly and stupid people tend to be more inclined to reproduce than normals or above in my experience. Still, the avarage IQ of the world seems to be rising.

>>2670223
Not "seems to be", IS.
And the quality of quantity of education is rising massively everywhere, with more and more things to be educated about every day and better, more wide-spread ways of learning about all those things.

Idiocracy was flat-out stupid and ironically was designed to appeal to idiots.

>>2670218
It's awesome, but one should bear in mind that the dude who wrote and drew the comic didn't like the animated movie. The comic goes into more detail about how stuff would work, and covers a much bigger story arc.

>>2670234
How about the anime series?

>>2670212
>In a MILLENIA?
Are you stupid?

You think it's too soon or too late?
If too soon: You might be right, but I'm optimistic.
If too late: The singularity might not happen.

>>2670207
we went from mostly poky sticks to nuclear bombs in about 500 years, you highly underestimate humanity

>>2670241
I've only watched the first two DVD's of "Stand Alone Complex", they were cool, but not as good as the movie. The second movie "Innocence" was better than the series, but not quite as good as the first one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhNM2K8cmU8

that is all

genetic engineering will completely transform humanity

I imagine there will be a caste system

No flying cars.
No hoverboards.
No fusion reactors for the home.
sadface.jpg

>>2670260
don't worry, the sex robots will console you

>>2670246
>>2670246
Compare 1000 CE to 2000 CE.

Then compare 2000 CE to 2011 CE.

There's no fucking question that science and technology are advancing at exponential rates.
The change between now and a millenia from now will be exponentially and unimaginably greater than the differences between 1000 and 2000 CE.

A Millenia from now, we will either be massively unimaginably more advanced than we are now, such that it is absolutely impossible to make the slightest assertion about it; or we'll be in the stone age again.

The sort of things you're talking about, if they ever occur, will occur in the next 100 years at most. AT MOST.

>>2670275

millenia is plural
millenium>millenia

>>2670275
I hope you are right, but I think you are wrong.

while much more progress has been made between 1900-2000 than between 1000 - 1900, there is really nothing that implies the pattern will continue to hold true.

>>2670311
I know.
He used it wrong first though, and so I just mimed him because I'm a brainless shit.

I even thought about that, "hey this is wrong", but I'd already typed it so what the fuck.

>genetic engineering, genetic engineering everywhere
>biological immortality

Hopefully we'll have a freer market in the future where you can buy augmentations easily. However, the way it looks like the US is headed, the government will probably be all powerful. Sigh, I don't want to buy body parts off the black market like in Blade Runner, but we'll probably be a full dystopia in the future.

>>2670324
There is nothing that implies the pattern will hold true?

Seriously? There's EVERYTHING to suggest it will and nothing to suggest it won't!

>>2670324
>>2670328
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>>2670207

Stop arguing or she'll hit you for being bad little boys.

>>2670337
Who? What? When where why?
Anyways I need to go do laundry and go to the library. HOLY FUCK YOTSUBA IS MISSING A PONY TAIL.

>>2670331
freer market=widening gap between rich and poor=genetic modification for rich only=ruling class of super-humans& underbelly of primitive slaves

>>2670328
I figured, just something the brain does when there are more important things to worry about :D

>>2670361

Economically, the world is actually flattening out. The only place where this is all backwards is America and assoc. neoliberal nutjob Randian hero countries where the governent is fubared in the head.

Thread music:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znoIgkRxCwU

>>2670361
Maybe if the rich become superhumans, they will herald an era of utopia. A dystopian interlude is a price worth paying for eventual paradise.

http://www.marshallbrain.com/manna5.htm

http://sifter.org/~simon/AfterLife/

Both are likely. The first is something I am working towards.

>>2670361
>Implying the government doesn't help cause the gap between rich and poor.
Seriously, it's almost impossible to start a small business in this environment. The US gives megacorporations bailouts and then turns around and hyper-regulates smaller corporations to oblivion. The only thing government intervention in economy does is promote a minimum amount of capital to break into the business world, effectively locking out everyone below a certain income from starting fresh, while keeping older, less efficient companies alive. Too big to fail, right?

>>2670404
TL;DR

give me the short versions

>>2670418
No, they are amazing books which deserve to be read.

First is doable partial post-scarcity and outlines how to achieve it within 50 years, the other is mind uploading and the sheer ramifications of it for the human race.

>>2670411
>Too big to fail, right?
Only in a corrupt government. Goddamn lobbyists.

>>2670411

Oh don't you worry, it will just collapse after the bureaucracy goes past its own Chandrasekhar limit.

Consider Julian Assange, leaking classified documents on an attempt to make the gov'ment more paranoid and thus more opaque. He's a good spike-the-contradictions guy, that Assange, until the system collapses on itself.

>>2670212

HHAHAHAHAHAH, this made me laugh out loud

>>2670424
>sheer ramifications of it for the human race.
Only good stuff I hope. If you're gonna go all "do you really want to live forever?" on me; Yes, I do. Though I wont stop people from offing themselves if they want to.

>>2670428
Consider renaming that image 'A world without conservatives'

>>2670444
>If you're gonna go all "do you really want to live forever?" on me; Yes, I do.

Read it.

>>2670411
that's what happens when you let corporations line the pockets of the legislature

I can't wait until the robocracy, when decisions are made by justice-bots

Augmented reality will arrive.
Computer vision allows automation of a lot of tasks.
Better portable technology, like projecting pictures to your glasses and being able to use any surface as a keyboard.
Brain-controlled stuff.
Also Africa will remain a bad place.

>>2670404
>No anonymity
>Everyone is equal
>No ownership

ITT: pathetic poorfag nerds masturbating over "the singularity", a nonsense and wafer thin fantasy.

>>2670476
First one is ditched
Second one is equal opportunity
Third one is for the lands resources, and it is 'your' property, but once you don't want it, you ditch it and it gets recycled into new items.

50 years from today the world will be different but something that you can imagine
100 years form today it will be a wild dream
1000 years it will be unimaginable world

>>2670513
Ok, sorry I didn't read that far. No anonymity just jumped at me, it sounds like the worst idea ever.

Fags keep ignoring the fact this is not the first time technology has been developing at an increasing return rate; we have had several technical revolutions in the past with the exact same result.

Thus, it would be safe to asume that while we will be more advanced, it won't be "I eat stars for breakfast"; we might well get to the end of the current technical race in a century, then slow down for a while to pick it up again, as we have done through out history.

I'm more interested in the ways humans will adapt to the new technologies in 1,000 years, and how we will get shaped by them.

>>2671774
>asume

Your argument is invalid.

>>2670230
>>Idiocracy was flat-out stupid and ironically was designed to appeal to idiots.

this. it was also meant to appeal to self-important pseudo-intellectuals who think they're hot shit. I liked the movie, but it was just entertainment.

whats the name of that book where people live in fuckhuge skyscrapers and never go outside?

I thats what the future is

Sup, time traveller from 2062 here.

To the average citizen, countries and nations don't exist anymore in any practical sense, but they remain just to give a sense of political order.
Cities amount to no more than living spaces nowadays. Since >99% of the population in first world countries have a 24/7 mind-to-net connection, physically meeting up with people as opposed to just hang out in your own virtual space is kind of boring. Since the net was virtualized as a practically endless online landscape, surfing the web is like taking a walk outside anyway, except you don't get any exercise and fresh air ofcourse. Still, zipping along the information highway at the speed of light and gazing at the massive virtualized cities of the net can be a pretty mindblowing experience for someone who isn't used to it.

Travelling has become a thing of the past for most people. It's easier to just surf the endless virtual landscapes of the net. Can even get tactile feedback software installed these days. A starved kid from africa on his first ride couldn't tell the difference. Except for still missing smell and taste ofcourse. You can probably imagine the shitfit travelling agencies threw for a while.

Traditional education at public school, college, university with books, teachers, pen and paper and what not was pretty swiftly made completely obsolete when the first mindnet implants were made available to the mass market. Greek history, the foundations of philosophy, basic biology, the enlightenment, industrialisation and whatnot... typical stuff you learned in school... memorizing all of that in your physical brain just to pass a test became pretty redundant when you had instant access to the net.

>>2672170
People can't get lost any longer. Neither can you lose anything for that matter. Dropped your wallet? Ctrl+f it. You don't actually press ctrl+f since we rarely use keyboards and monitors nowadays, but you know what I mean. It's really goddamn convenient. Crimes are reported at the speed of neurons firing electrical signals to a microscopic chip in your brain, passing the alarm off to the alarm central (Or mechanical neurons telling them directly, if one has saved enough money).

Politics has been made a lot faster and more reliable with the implementation of AI. They are continuously fed with the opinions of everyone connected to the net (Anonymously, ofcourse. Or so we are told.) and run advanced simulations to determine the most likely outcome of any given decision. The decision process itself is still handled by elected officials, but they rarely disagree with the consensus the AI reach.

>>2672177
Let's see... oh yeah, phones and cell phones are pretty much obsolete too. The shitfits TCPs threw when the majority of phone calls started running through the net was far worse than the travelling drama. Most of the companies either didn't expect it so soon, or simply didn't want to admit it.
I guess the economy did take a little dive after that crap, but it's pretty stable now as far as I can tell.

Can't say it's all sunshine and happiness though. Mindhacking isn't as simple or prevalent as it would seem from watching Ghost in the Shell, but we do have illegally amped cyborgs. You can't leap a building or turn completely invisible yet, but you sure as hell can crush a man's skull with one hand with top of the line hardware.
There was a lot of tension when replacement limbs became popular. Especially in highly religious places. Doesn't take a genius to understand why. And politicians hoping to make a quick career obviously latched on to the fear mongering. There was mass demonstrations and public outcries. Sometimes going on the net was almost unbearable because they were crying all over the place. Most of that shit is over now, but there are some fanatical anti-biotechnology terrorist groups around.

I guess you could sum things up by saying that humanity is a lot more 'united' now, if you will. For better or worse. The information age has yet to reach its climax. My crazy prediction is that before the century is up, the internet will have grown to merge almost all of humanity into a sort of hivemind.

And the TWEEEEST?
[spoilerdoesn'tworkon/sci/]I was born in 1951.[/spoilerstilldoesn'tworkon]

while (time){
present = future
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>>2670275

Yet the flying cars are still not here 60 years later. Yeah I don't think humanity moves quite as fast as you think. 100 years from now shit will be much like now...more expensive and different formats for music/storage/ data transmission etc....but there won't be super scifi shit going on.

Dirty and full of toil once oil runs out after the continuos sabotage of alternative power sources.

>>2672217

you crashed the universe!

It will be exactly like ghost in the shell

>>2672220
Flying cars will never be implemented. They're entirely possible, we basically have them, they're just expensive. The reason we don't have flying cars is not a technological problem, but a social problem. People simply don't want flying cars to crash into buildings. Do you want 9/11 to happen every weekend because of drunk drivers? Flying cars is NOT an argument against technological progress. It merely means that it's difficult to predict how specific technologies will be implemented. Technology marches on, but may end up at a different location than we thought.

>>2672470
Also here's a pic of what the US will look like in 2030 according to ghost in the shell

>>2672511
>mfw the US will get rid of the Southern states in the not too distant future

>>2672598

Amen...

>mfw

>>2672472

You aren't getting it.

>>2672598
Imagine a country a country divided
No more debates about evolution
No more bible thumpers too
No more republicans and rednecks
No more problems with public education
And No more pointless wars
Imagine the US, living life in peace oohoohoohoohooh

>>2670418
First one: Increasing automation and use of weak AI for industrial resource allocation and process management can produce a horrible dystopia or an incredible utopia. In the first, the rich own the robots and you're in a prison disguised as living in government housing on welfare. In the second, you have a utopia where everyone has equal monthly resource allocations that they can spend as they please. Both require AI and robots to replace most of basic industry first. Not necessarily strong AI.

The second one is longer, looks farther into the future, and is mainly about the implications of mind uploading. Only one brain gets uploaded at first, "killing" the voluntary test subject, but copies of that brain spawn a strong AI revolution of the world's technology over the next centuries, leading into a thoroughly transhuman future. All of the events center on the development and actions of the copies of the original uploaded brain.

>>2670534
>get rid of Southern states
>No more republicans
what

>>2672687
yes

>2011
>no prototype hover boards

>>2672654
liberalfag detected

>>2672710
That would be markedly unwise.

Seceding from the states which grow the things you eat, probably not the greatest idea.

>>2672710
Seems like you might need to revise that to include WI.

>>2672755
Not to mention leaving yourself with a country that is divided in half, or even three parts. (The blue states in >>2672710 )

>>2672470
It's kind of strange, since the world envisioned in GITS is decidedly dystopian. Even the heroes of the show, section 9, routinely suppress free speech and overreach their legal authority.

Arguably strong AI exists, but there are countless examples in the anime of humans still doing almost all the labor, even in absurdly dangerous circumstances.

Unfortunately, yes, you're probably right. It will be like GITS, just fewer sexy cyborgs and more icky looking guys like Gouda (or however you spell it).

>>2672755
So we'll just buy the food from them or other cheaper 3rd world countries

>>2672806
And we'll be the laughing man

>>2672978
I'd rather be Kuze.

>>2672217
Lawdy, dat sum pointer arithmetic? Or maybe std::vector<>::iterators?

>>2670207

If there's a way to encrypt it, there's a way to decrypt it.

>>2671774


i would be really embarrassing for you if technological process over the entire history of mankind almost exactly fit an exponential growth function and didn't do what you are talking about.

Transhumanism ftw. check it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transhumanism

>>2673087
Considering humanity can't find the empathy to prevent the starvation of millions of people a year, I do't really think transhumanism would benefit humanity in general.

It would be Warren Buffet, Rupert Murdoch, and other haves becoming essentially infinitely smarter and better off, and everyone off being the same, or worse.

>>2673087
the movie The Island is totally soaked in transhumanist ideas and concepts and with everyone trying to be younger and live for forever I wouldn't be surprised if genetic engineering and the science of youth takes off.

>>2673104

Sounds familair.

>>2673105

>basing opinions on transhumanism off The Island

This is worse than people fearing a robot takeover due to Terminator.

The problem futurists, especially the transhumanists, have is that they fail to realise the answer to the question "what does the future hold?" is almost invariably "a bunch of old people fucking like rabbits."

>>2673113
not basing opinions on anything. I have my own opinions on shit and I really believe that with all these "anti aging" shit and hormone therapy shit coming out, isn't it reasonable to think that somebody will see the potential fortune in transhumanist markets and act on the promise of fortunes and develop things that greatly improve everything about us as people?

>>2673125

Yes, but the concept of The Island was taking it to a whole new level of mass hysteria.

I mean fuck. Grow the organs in fucking vats, not in people. Jesus Christ.

america will say that canada is hiding WMD's and try to invade and then the UN will be like fuck america were tired of your shit and then after losing WW3 america becomes lol of the planet

>>2673128
I know that The Island was basically saying "Just because we can, doesn't mean we should" and that it's actually anti-transhumanist, that doesn't mean that the concepts still aren't there.

>>2673128
Actually if I recall it was mentioned in the movie that they tried first, but the organs all died right away because... I cant remember the exact reason but it was some bullshit like organs cant survive in the vats if they arent connected to human brains.

I actually liked the movie though I did get a kind of anti stem cell research vibe from it, though I'm not totally sure on that.

>>2670250
I hope people in here understand discoveries that have been made that were impossible to predict do to the fact they have to be discovered/invented.
Think of the internet or even a computer, was the internet ever in any 50s sci.fi film you seen.
I'd say there to be so many things that we have yet to even imagine. Another internet sort of deal.
I mean really would you think someone in the 50s would have predicted the internet, I'd say that's quite impossible.

>>2672170

> blah blah time traveler here
oh god, here we go

> implying 2062 will have time travel
is this kid a 5th grader?

> 50 years from now - mind to net

ok, we're done here