/sci/ - Science & Math

first one sounds more vague. it'll leave doors open to you, sir.

>>2663628
second one sounds more exact. it's a science board, sir.

Ingenieure saugen hähne

Structural Engineering unless you're really into railways

>>2663666

hahahahaha XD
that one was funny...

Bullet trains just scream "FUTURE!" to me. Anyone else?

>>2663687
>there will never be a east coast high-speed train line built within our lifetime

>>2663689
I will try to do everything in my power to make your statement untrue.

Yeah, trains are hot.
The problem is that the German construction industry is on the ground. I think trains are more future-proof.

>>2663687
They scream TAXES and TEMPORARY EMPLOYMENT(of mostly mexicans) to me.

>>2663702
Really? I thought they would scream NOT SPENDING 717 BILLION ON THE MILITARY

>>2663706
Or a billion on poor people.

>>2663696
i like how NJ's got the bee line to cali

>>2663706
you are enjoying the security, that USA provides. someone has to deal with the evil bastards in the world.

>>2663712

>>2663713
They must want to get together and compare anal lubes.

>>2663715
Yes, I'm sure we need you spending close to a trillion dollars a year on the DoD/Military

>>2663712
>Whine about less than 1% of military funding being spent on poor people
Sorry they killed /new/, lolbertardian. Looks like there's nowhere else to go with your racist, classist tripe. :(

>>2663722
Well there is, but it's on 4chan with an o.

>>2663722
Paying LaQuisha to feed and send her 12 kids off to college to play basketball is a far worse expenditure of money than the military and high-speed rail.

>>2663743
....I'm not seeing your point.
Are you implying all poor people are Laquishas with black basketball players taking up valuable college spaces? And that helping poor people will enable them to do specifically that?

>>2663743
>implying military has anything to do with high-speed rail

>>2663751
I didn't. I implied that military is more important than feeding and clothing and giving education to useless worthless peopl.

>>2663765
>implying they aren't worthless because you're a fag

>>2663765
>I implied that military is more important than feeding and clothing and giving education to useless worthless peopl.

What you're now implying is that poor people are worthless people.

I'm so fucking thankful that I was a poor guy in Australia rather than America when there's actually people that think along those lines.

>>2663772
Yes. Your own government cares so much about you, that they banned all manner of things, including several types of otherwise legal porn, to protect you.
You Aussies are some tough SOBs for sure, needing that government protection and all.

>>2663765

So people are more or less worthless based on their wealth?

Pic name related, I fucking hope it's true.

>>2663785

>Describes totally unrelated flaw in government.
>Thinks that makes a valid point.

Fucking hell stop replying to this nutjob.

>>2663785
>Your own government cares so much about you, that they banned all manner of things, including several types of otherwise legal porn, to protect you.

And I fucking hate it.
But you should perhaps take a look at your own country one more time if you couldn't fucking PAY ME a million dollars to move to your shithole corporatist nation and the cunting bullshit it perpetuates and actually gets its own people to support.

>You Aussies are some tough SOBs for sure, needing that government protection and all.
Yes yes, nanny state, move on to argument at hand now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q95kX_EP2Nk&feature=related

>Let's pay people money by stealing it under penalty of kidnapping/death and giving it to those that won't work
>Let's also build a highspeed rail system for them to use
>Gotta cut the military though. Keeping China from raping our ass through the backdoor isn't important

>>2663802
>Actually believes China is going to invade America

>Structural Engineering
A much larger industry with many more options, even if 10000 Chinese engineering students are imported to Germany tomorrow to increase "diversity" you still won't have any trouble getting on the bottom rung of the career ladder.
>Railway systems
Might be a better long term option due to peak oil.

>>2663802

>Let's keep all those uneducated poor people down, ignoring the potential they might have.
>Justify it by saying they're uneducated and poor.

NICE CIRCULAR LOGIC

>>2663807
They could walk all over us if you fuckers keep taking tax dollars and feeding the useless dregs with it.

The Joke is, the U.S. and Australia both have lousy train systems

>>2663816

>Implying they would just hand it out in wads of cash and wouldn't use it to improve education, infrastructure and culture instead.

>>2663812
If they have potential, they can work for their success. Too busy listening to shitty music and playing sports to pull it off though.
>Imma git me out da hood man! Imma go ta college to play b-ball!
Money well spent!

>>2663816
>They could walk all over us if you fuckers keep taking tax dollars and feeding the useless dregs with it.
Wow. Watching America for the next 25 years will be fun if it's populated with millions of guys like you.

>>2663829

>Implying having no money and no success around them won't completely destroy any dreams and motivation they might have had.

lolustupid

>>2663818
Our politicians can sort of justify it by saying there is only ~21 million people and the country is nearly as large as America. 305 million is pretty hard to justify though.
I'm not happy about it, however. Don't take me as a patriotic Australian, because I'm far from it.

>>2663836
>implying you should be allowed to take my money and make their booboos feel better with it

>>2663838
>OH BUT TAKE MY MONEY FOR THE MILITARY-INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX GOD BLESS AMURIKA PROTECT OUR FREEEEDOOOM

>>2663830
So you'd think if USA military would be weak then other world forces would not take advantage of that? It would be all ponies and rainbows?

USA and Europe are the only powers in the world who can be expected to use their power responsibly. China and Russia would not hesitate to use military force to enslave others if they could get away with it.

>>2663842
But you see, that strong military ensures my nation is well defended from communists so that I might have prosperity of my own through my small business venture.
I'd let some spending go, however, for the purpose of HSR. But major cuts need to be made from social programs.

>>2663838

>Implying you actually earned that money, as opposed to inheriting it or being payed a grossly inflated wage.

>>2663853
I DID earn that money. Through work.
Some hood thug? I guess he earned the money peddling guns and drugs to kids, right? HE COULD BE THE NEXT EINSTEIN!

>>2663852

>Implying all foreign nations are communist.

>laughinggirls.jpg

>>2663846
Yeah exept US is actively using its military to enslave people.

>>2663846
>Cut military spending by 250 billion dollars
>use about 50 billion of that creating government-owned facilities with automation creating weapons drastically decreasing the price of weapons and explosives meaning that you get about as much but with less money
>use the other 200 billion on education, infrastructure, scientific research, and awesome stuff that would increase business and stimulate the free market such as high-speed rail, increased renewable energy subsidies, even some pharmaceutical benefits

Oh hey, look what I did

>>2663857

You're the sort of person that would justify Glenn Beck being payed $20m a year, aren't you.

>>2663867
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363788/Fox-News-firebrand-Glenn-Beck-facing-axe-controversi
al-TV-losing-million-viewers-year.html?ITO=1490

You need sexual engineering.
AAWW YEA!

>>2663872

Doesn't mean it was fair, though. It just means that was what he demanded from them.

>>2663872

On a lighter note, however, THIS IS FUCKING AWESOME.

I'm >>2663878 btw.

>>2663867
Glenn Beck is a shittard.
No talking head, no matter what he says, deserves that kind of pay.
So no, I don't support it any more than I support the bloated social funding in this nation, that's all wasted on bullshit.
In case you haven't figured it out, the poor in this country have been getting steadily worse off, even though they get more money than ever.
You can't fix the problems with the poor by taking people's money from them and tossing it at the disadvantaged. You're rewarding them for not working, and having a huge brood.
And that's why we can't get HSR in this country, because all the money is being spent on worthless shit.

>>2663852
US is actually more socialist if we look at their helth care spending compared to for example Australia, Canada, Germany, Norway or other civilized nations. At the same time americans die younger and have higher mortality ratings and their "health care" costs shtiloads of money.

If you're going to build a high speed train do it properly.

The minimum incline possible, dead straight, buy and demolish everything in the way like you're supposed to, one permanent straight line between major cities, the most efficient land transport within reason.

>>2663886

This is exactly my point. Creating equality doesn't mean taking from the rich and giving it to the poor in increasingly large handfuls of cash. It means using that money to improve the infrastructure of the nation, to educate the uneducated etc. It should be used in ways that actually benefit, because of course we can't expect the uneducated and uncultured to be responsible with their money. What we can do is solve those 2 problems, however.

>>2663887
>At the same time americans die younger and have higher mortality ratings and their "health care" costs shtiloads of money.
If you look at it race-by-race, white Americans actually live as long as Europeans and whatnot.
Guess who is bringing down those numbers...

>>2663878
>>2663885
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/276-74/5123-fox-news-lies-keep-them-out-of-canada
>>2663886
>You can't fix the problems with the poor by taking people's money from them and tossing it at the disadvantaged.
No, you can't. What we are saying is improve infrastructure, education and healthcare along with extra funding into scientific research because these are actually EFFECTIVE trickle-down effects for the poor. For instance, if you overhaul the education system to something more in-tune with what Ken Robinson or Sugata Mitra suggest you suddenly get a lot more poor and not-poor kids interested in education and learning which also then motivates them to go onto higher education and finishing university.
But seriously, you guys need a better way of paying for university rather than this bullshit where the money you need to pay back increases because of interest. In Australia for example, you don't start paying back the money until you have a job that pays $44,000 a year and then it's only a slight increase on your tax or some shit like that. You could go to university your entire life and not work and you wouldn't have to pay it back.
I'm sure there'll be accusations of URGH POOOR PEOPLE STEALING MY TAXPAYER MONEY but seriously, there are so many poor people that actually do want to contribute in the American economy and can't for various reasons, such as a disability or there are no jobs in their area for them to pay for it etc.

>>2663898

This is because your white-americans are earning a shitton more money than them. It's strange how America's GDP/capita is higher than Europe's INCLUDING the non-whites/asians, yet their living conditions, happiness and education is still sub-par.

>>2663898
Something I screenied from /new/ a while back.

>>2663908
>This is because your white-americans are earning a shitton more money than them.
That's because THEY GO OUT AND WORK.
What's ironic is, the poor have free healthcare over here, and yet they're the most unhealthy.
Their culture is shit, and social welfare is only leading their destruction.

>>2663898
Because you know the poor that cannot afford the "health care" Those that die because you your system.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#Cross-country_comparisons

Tahe a look at that. You see that US goverment spends more to health care than other nations all while actually paying much smaller amounts of your medical bill and the quality of the care is worse.

>>2663912
Connecticut

Beats Denmark in every relevant category. Suck it commieboy.

>>2663923

By "them" I meant the Europeans.

>>2663923
>the poor have free healthcare over here

>>2663926
[citation needed]
Alsololonestate

>>2663926
So you want to compare Connecticut to best place in Denmark? Pretty sure that it would loose.

>>2663928
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid

Oh what? You didn't KNOW the poor have free healthcare in the US?

>>2663940
Population of Denmark 5.5M
Population of Connecticut 3.5M

We are not restricting territories to Mel Gibson's house here. These sizes are rather comparable.

>>2663942
Only the poor?
Casual.

>>2663947
Bets place within one system compared to best place within one system, you cherry pick I cherry pick. Seems fair to mee. It's not my problem that your system is generally shit.

>>2663958
And what would these "systems" be. You're anti capitalist so I would guess your system would be socialism so Cuba perhaps?

>>2663951
It would cost 3 TRILLION dollars a year to give every American $10000 a year in health coverage.

That's a shitload of trains.

>>2663969

Stop putting up a false-dichotomy.

>>2663942
Second line:
>Poverty alone does not necessarily qualify someone for Medicaid

>Medicaid was created to help low-asset people who fall into one of these eligibility categories "pay for some or all of their medical bills

>According to the CMS website, "Medicaid does not provide medical assistance for all poor persons.


So
>the poor have free healthcare over here
Means that some have some of their expences paid.

>>2663969
>he doesn't support military industrial complex
>he doesn't support massive income equality
SOCIALIST CUBA COMMIE NAZI

>>2663974

Not everyone needs $10,000 in health coverage a year.

>>2663969
Denmarks system versus americas? Do you have short attention span or something?

>>2663978

BECAUSE THOSE ARE ALL SO RELEVANT TO THIS DISCUSSION.

>>2663989


usa > europoors

>>2664000
I'll just leave this here

>>2664000

lolright.

>>2663974
Or you could change your system to Swedens and live longer have less infants dying and spend less per capita (3,323 vs. 7290) This leaves more money to do other things like finance the military or build infrastructure

what? trains?

>>2663987
They're both capitalist free economies. By economic freedom USA is ranked 5th in the world and Denmark is ranked 11th in the world.

External debt of Denmark is $110,216 per capita and of USA is $46,577 so Denmark has considerably bigger debt problem.

>>2664003
>>2664003


>mfw none of those statistics mean a fucking thing

>>2663969
Also implying that USA has better healthcare than Cuba

>>2664024
...And yet, with all that, they still have a higher quality of life.

Chile has the smallest external debt of all nations, and they're not exactly a shining bastion of the free market.

>>2664026

>>2664027
Of course it does. Health care in Cuba is pure shit.

>>2664003
>total crimes
lol darkies.
>rape
darkies
>CO2 emissions
Progress and manufacturing are GOOD THINGS libfag.
>divorce rate
Liberal feminists make it easy.
>teen birth
This is also a good thing. Teens have the healthiest babies.
>heart attack
This is the most natural way to die. If you aren't dieing from a heart attack, you're dieing from cancer, aids, car wrecks...
>McDonald's
IMAGINE THAT! AMERICA, THE HOME OF McD's, HAS THE MOST McD's! Amazing SCIENCE!
>plastic surgery
I guess Americans DO have great healthcare. Enough to allow for non-important procedures.
>prisoners
lol darkies again.

>>2664027
Yeah the healthcare system in the US is shit
It also doesn't help that republicunts are doing everything in their power to stall the healthcare bill

>>2664045
>mfw you tried to rationalize half of that shit with bullshit

>>2664045
I don't understand. Even if most of the stats came from black people how is that an excuse? They are still in your country.

>>2664033
Chile is a fucking shining bastion of free market.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom_historical_rankings

Look at spot number 8.

>>2664027
You have a 1 in 3 chance of developing a serious infection in a Cuban hospital. They're filthy hovels.
>>2664033
Well yeah, when you sell out your children's future to appease lazy people, debt is bound to be the result.

>>2664054
The response will be something along the lines of 'They're niggers not human fucking liberals give them rights to do whatever FREEDOM'

>>2664054
Socialist policies have made the darkies in the US violent and irresponsible. Thus our nation has fallen since MLK bitched to people in the 60s.

>>2664056
>Ireland No. 3
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-11-21/lenihan-says-he-will-recommend-ireland-should-formally-ask-
for-eu-bailout.html

>>2664040

>The real convergence is a complex mathematical and empirical issue, so I will rather outline the key patterns of GDP per capita gap between the U.S and Europe and the economic explanation of it. I downloaded the data from the IMF and composed a graph which shows the GDP per capita (PPP-adjusted) in European countries as a percentage of the U.S GDP per capita. Switzerland is the only European country whose level of GDP per capita is more than 90 percent of the U.S level. Ireland, where the output contracted by 7.5 percent in 2009 (link), was once the poorest country in the European Union. Today, its GDP per capita reached 85 percent of the U.S level. In spite of the notorious advantages of the Nordic model, the GDP per capita level of all Nordic countries (excluding Norway), is below 80 percent of the U.S level. The UK GDP per capita is also far below the U.S level (75 percent). The levels of GDP per capita of the less developed countries in European Union (Slovenia, Greece, Portugal, Czech Republic and Slovakia) are all below 62 percent of the U.S level.

OH LOOK A CHART BATTLE

>>2664024
>Starts whiping out economic numbers when discussion is about heatl care
So you do have short attention span?

Also nope:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_economic_freedom#Current_ratings

Denmark has bigger dept sure but it's not a problem. They have surplus and are pying of their dept unlike you. They also have net assets.

>>2664074
YOU'VE ACTIVATED MY TRAP CARD

>>2664078

>>2664078

>likes traps

>>2664081

>>2664056
>mfw I'm chilean who immigrated to the US
seriously I don't know what I should be feeling right now

>>2664081

>>2664083

>>2664075
The discussion is about trains.
Trains would be possible if we weren't spending so much money on giving the poor an easy way out(which causes them to become even more destitute).

>>2664089

>>2664063
My response would be that for the massive welfare state to work and not to be abused the society must have a strong sense of community and social pressure toward work ethics.

If welfare state would work anywhere it would be Scandinavian countries, but during its brief existence the welfare state has ran into massive problems even there.

It certainly would not work in USA.

>>2664084

>>2664092

>>2664089
Notice how more conservative states have less equality and drop-out rates.

Wait, I just realized, how the fuck did we go from trains and trains being better than military spending to healthcare and income inequality?

>>2664093
We don't need to become a "welfare state"
We just need free healthcare
WHY IS THAT SO HARD?

>>2664056

40% of the chilean gdp comes from a state owned corporation.

Deal with it.

>>2664107
Because it's never free.
There's a reason that European states have income tax rates over 50%.

>>2664042
Yes exept they have more doctors and have less infant mortalities and also have less HIV infections. They also spend less per capita, goverment uses less money to it but at the same time pays larger percentage of the actual medical costs of the citizen. So tell me how you are better?

>>2664114
You seem to have ignored Australia/NZ and Canada.

>>2664114
Anything is better than our current healthcare system
I'm not going to go visit the doctor if its going to cost me $1000 for a check up

>>2664119

>mfw you have no fucking clue about Canada and you should shut the fuck up before you say something retarded

>>2663812
MY GOOD SIR! Are you >implying that the only reason as to why some less fortunate citizens have yet to display their 'untapped potential' is due to monetary shortfalls? I disagree! If they really do have any worthwhile potential, I'd argue that they would be able to dig themselves out of the situation they are in. Survival of the fittest, you see? Government funding just propels unworthy individuals towards something which they have no right to. This goes against all evolutionary standpoints that most of you so-called scientists advocate.

>>2664127
>mfw you know so much more seeing as you got instantly angry and apparently have much better information than me
Pray do tell, oh lofty one.

>>2664114
Bullshit on that.
That entirely depends on your income, and only the money over a mark gets taxed.
Imaginary numbers now, 0-800,-€ = standard taxes for public healthcare, dentals, insurances etc., 801-1400€ get taxed 10%, 1401-2500€ get taxed 20% and so on.
At least it was like this (or similar enough) in the countries I worked in.

>>2663812
MY GOOD SIR! Are you >implying that the only reason as to why some less fortunate citizens have yet to display their 'untapped potential' is due to monetary shortfalls? I disagree! If they really do have any worthwhile potential, I'd argue that they would be able to dig themselves out of the situation they are in. Survival of the fittest, you see? Government funding just propels unworthy individuals towards something which they have no right to. This goes against all evolutionary ideals that most of you so-called scientists advocate.

>>2664093
Problems such as it working and being cheap

>>2664114
Most of them dont have so high taxes and it is free to those who couldn't afford it othervise (those people that die in US)

Also theres a reson why US has so massive deficit.

>>2664119

>Canada

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrA4V6YF6SA

>>2664121
If you're paying that much for your care, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE. Free market at work, dullard.
>>2664119
Waiting a long time can mean death. That's a price I don't wanna pay.
>>2664116
*according to the state media and Mike Moore

lol

>>2664137
Well a big chunk of the deficit is due to social security for old people that complain about democrats

>>2664133

Share of taxes in GDP in USA vs Scandi countries. As you see since they started to build their welfare states in the sixties their tax rates have gone sky high.

You should also note, that they were already rich in the 60s. More so than now in relative scale.

Degenerate Eurofags ITT, getting told.

>>2664141


dat video

>>2664127
Canada: Lives longer, fever infant deaths, goverment spends less, canadian receives more. You mad

It's like they have some mental illness. Schizophrenia perhaps?

>>2664143
>Waiting a long time can mean death. That's a price I don't wanna pay.
Emergencies get priority dumbass
The only people that complain are the ones that see the doctor for stupid shit, like a pain in their thigh

>>2664105
>trains to military discussion spillover

I think that the two major opposing forces in the world are "to get laid" (human factor) and "seeking the lowest level of energy" (environment factor)

the argument therefore, should concentrate on establishing the acceptable range of compromise between these two forces, and then calculate the most optimal path to score within the agreed range

eg: if military spending gets you adequately laid (within the accepted range) at an equal rate as spending on infrastructure (and both are within the accepted range of working against reaching minimum level of energy) but at a higher energy cost, you should go for trains instead

today, pussy can into science

>>2664166
really?
You think democrats are the ones who are mentally ill?

>>2664141
I remember seeing this. It's a warm feeling when another country reaches out to another for a new and glorious dawn.

>>2664143
according to

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health_care_compared#Cross-country_comparisons

And from there cuba

>American healthcare is shit
Yeah, that's why people from all over the world come to the US for treatment, right?
The medicine you Eurofags get for free is developed because of the money companies get from Americans. You ungrateful fucks.

And then you wanna complain about us not having HSR.

>>2664151
>>2664158
>>2664166
>fighting data with ad hominems

Stay classy, right-wing.

>>2664187
>Yeah, that's why people from all over the world come to the US for treatment, right?
No they don't. You'd have to be retarded to do that.

>>2664183
You can have meaningful comparisons between free countries. Cuba is a fucking huge prison. You can't really compare it with others.

>>2664202
Yes, they do.
Including Canadians. LOTS of Canadians.

>>2664187
Of course you have the best healtcare if you can afford it (you are in the top 1%) Basically this means that rich people come there to get the best treatment and poor come because their country is even shittier than yours.

>>2664210
I guess that makes one country

ITT, TRUTH

This thread is now about North America.

>"From whence shall we expect the approach of danger? Shall some trans-Atlantic military giant step the earth and crush us at a blow? Never. All the armies of Europe and Asia…could not by force take a drink from the Ohio River or make a track on the Blue Ridge in the trial of a thousand years. No, if destruction be our lot we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of free men we will live forever or die by suicide." - Lincoln

>>2664193
What, were you expecting something else?

>U.S. sits on rare supply of tech-crucial minerals

>Recent USGS figures estimate that the U.S. holds rare earth ore reserves of up to 13 million metric tons. By contrast, the entire world produced just 124,000 metric tons in 2009

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35782773/ns/technology_and_science-science/

Chileanfag here
I went to visit my country to have all my wisdom teeth removed and saved thousands of dollars
u mad?

>"The United States is sitting on over 100 years of gas supply at the current rates of consumption," he said. Because natural gas emits half the greenhouse gases of coal, he added, that "provides the United States with a unique opportunity to address concerns about energy security and climate change."

>Recoverable U.S. gas reserves could now be bigger than the immense gas reserves of Russia, some experts say.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/02/AR2009120204305.html


>U.S. is Saudi Arabia of coal

>According to the U.S. Energy Department, the United States has 267.3-billion short tons of coal reserves, or 26.8 percent of the world total.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/25/rudy-giuliani/us-is-saudi-arabia-of-c
oal/

>The U.S. is sitting on the world's largest, untapped oil reserves

>untapped reserves are estimated at about 2.3 trillion barrels, nearly three times more than the reserves held by Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) nations and sufficient to meet 300 years of demand -- at today's levels --

http://www.kiplinger.com/businessresource/forecast/archive/The_U.S._s_Untapped_Bounty_080630.html

>U.S. wind potential ‘the envy’ of the world

http://www.smartplanet.com/business/blog/smart-takes/acciona-us-wind-potential-the-envy-of-the-world
-enough-in-midwest-to-power-nation/6927/

>>2664102

Britain and Germany have you beat on a per capita basis.

The hell is this thread about now?

>there is enough thorium in the United States alone to power the country at its current energy level for over 1000 years

http://www.thoriumenergyalliance.com/

>>2664239
FUCK YEAH FLORIDA AND THE MIDWEST

>>2664207
>Presented with facts
>Starts to cry about that it's unfair to compare to country that is basically third world to "modern" country
>They are huge prison
Mfw US has both the biggest prison population and biggest number of prisoners per 100 000 people.

743 out 100 000 americans are in prison. Thats nearly 1%

>>2664252
Humiliating Ausfags/Eurofags

>>2664258
I'm not really sure if that statistic means we imprison more people than other countries, if we hold them for longer, or if we have more crime.

>>2664258
That's NOT nearly 1%. math is not your strong suit.

>>2664262
We have 3x+ the prison population of china who has 3x our population. Make your own deductions.

>>2664262
>I'm not really sure if that statistic means we imprison more people than other countries

>>2664155

It's you again.

>>2664262
It's 80% minorities, and the war on drugs

>>2664265
That's because in China they just get shot

>>2664258
You really shouldn't believe the official facts about Cuba. When I said Cuba is a huge prison I meant almost everyone living there is like a prisoner serving the whims of ruling nomenclature.

I haven't actually cried about anything ...

>>2663647
They're both science, you plonker. OP should want to keep hs options open

>>2664265
China doesn't bother with imprisonment.
They just execute people and take their organs.

>>2664231
But...but...we're going to run out of oil in the next 20 years, right?

>>2664262
>I'm not really sure if that statistic means we imprison more people than other countries, if we hold them for longer, or if we have more crime.

It's a combination of all three.

>>2664265


because we're better at catching criminals than they are

>>2664259
You don't seem to be doing a very good job.

>>2664187

>Britain is the largest pharmaceuticals developer in the world.

RIGHT.

>>2664268
Terribly phrased to the point of obscuring what I meant to say.

I meant to say if it means we decide on imprisonment over fining/other punishments more than other countries.

>>2664262
It means that at any given time you have bigges number of people sitting in jail and biggest persentage of population in jail. That also means that over one in hundred adulst is in prison.

Also this: "The United States has less than 5% of the world's population and 23.4% of the world's prison population" Stay free americans

>>2663852
lol'd 6/10 you are fucking good.

>>2664134

Read

>>2663836

>>2664263
>743 out 100 000
>0.743%
>not nearly 1%

>>2664281
>more crime
NOPE
>hold them for longer
Depends on country
>imprison more people
Once again, depends.

>>2664282
why is there beams of light on that picture?

>>2664288
23.4% seems too much.
citation needed

>>2664294
That's a whole fucking quarter missing you fucking idiot.
A WHOLE FUCKING 1/4th!

>>2664276
What i meant is that in US almost everyone is an actual prisoner in actual jail. Im having a hard time understandin why being like a prisoner is worse than being an actula prisoner.

>>2664288
Since first world countries statistically imprison a lot more people than third world countries (probably has something to do with all the civil wars and whatnot), if that statistic includes Africa, most of Asia, most of South America, and a couple european countries, it's bogus.

>>2664299
That's the US military being awesome as always.

>>2664239

Scotland has enough potential wind-power to power 25%of Europe.

>>2664258
That's a good thing
It means we're actually incarcerating criminals

>thread about civil engineering choices

>HURR DURR JU ES VS JUROPE
>HERP DERP LIBERLULZ VS CUNTSERVATIVES

Attention! Anyone participating in this discussion, troll or non-troll, is a failure at life and deserves every bit of his pathetic, basement-dwelling existence

That is all.

>>2664285


This Australian reporter asks a very pertinent question. Why are aussies too stupid to create their own GOOD electric cars?

And why is your countrys suite of regulations so retarded?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j71kCJBZ0NE

>>2664306
Also note that compares prison population to whole population while in reality people in prison are generally adults.

>>2664303
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Comparison_with_other_countries

>>2664316
it means you HAVE more criminals.

>>2664324
>ccording to DOJ 2009 data, Black non-Hispanic males, with an incarceration rate of 4,749 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents of the same race and gender, were incarcerated at a rate more than 6 times higher than white non-Hispanic males (708 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents) and 2.6 times higher than Hispanic males (1,822 inmates per 100,000 U.S. residents)

It's almost like I'm back on /new/ again.

>>2664299


Those are nuclear re-entry vehicles.

The USAF can put one of those in your back pocket from the other side of the world.

>>2664327
Indeed we do. Black people are trash.

>>2664327
No, it means we have more criminals in prison.

Not the same thing as having more criminals.

>>2664324
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarceration_in_the_United_States#Comparison_with_other_countries
holy shit. Americans, keep it up! FREEDOM FUCK YEAH

>australian television

>>2664332
>facts are racist
Whatever, don't say anything if you don't want to discuss it.

>>2664333
EU-
>Taxes go to make sure poor people don't get the sniffles, and trains
US-
>Taxes go to actual science

>>2664345
>Japanese television

>>2664340
you have more criminals in prison because you create more criminals in general.
or are you really telling me that your police is the most efficient in the world?
you and I know that's not true even in the slightest

America has one of the highest homicide rates for a first world country, but has lower property crime rates than many other first world countries.

>mfw young europeans masturbate to Ice Age

>>2664332
Difference is that here we have facts and those numers are because of the american system is generally shit. Blacks are poorer, there is rasism agaist blacks and balcks are less educated. These factors and more contribute to the cycle of crime. Poverty supports crime and lack of education while lack of education prevents getting out of poverty.

>>2664352
I'm saying the judicial system might give different punishments.

>>2664353
BEHOLD THE POWER OF THE SECOND AMENDMENT

>>2664353
What the fuck happened in scotland in '92?

>mfw foreign inferior faggots don't know about Americas glorious Castle Doctrine

>>2664359
>mfw the majority of those homicides did NOT involve guns

>>2664356
ok, you seriously believe that?
seriously? look inside yourself, and tell me you are positive that the us doesn't have more criminals per 100 000 people than most 1st world countries. Even you get a lot of them in jail.

>>2664365
Was actually talking about the lower property crime rate, there.

The US has some work to do, no doubt.
But the thought of corrupt, weak Europeans telling us OUR faults, when they can't even keep terrorists from boarding planes is, at best, laughable.
You fuckers have bread and circuses just like the US.

>>2664307
>in US almost everyone is an actual prisoner in actual jail

<1% is not almost everyone by any stretch.

>>2664356
Yes. While in civilized countries we focus on preventing crime and making sure that criminals don't repeat their crimes. You focus on keeping them in jails and trying to punish them. This results in more crime after they get out.
You focus on cutting the nets that support people and keeping people in poverty. We focus making sure that people are always well fed and part of the society.
You separete we integrate.
There are many other differences but i feel that these are the big ones that create so much crime in your country.

>>2664379
>they can't even keep the muslims from raping women

>>2664363


war of independence against the queen of england.

also

>2011
>monarchies

>>2664377

0/10

Holy shit, it must be like fucking Deliverance in rural Canada.

> mfw i live in japan

>>2664388

Rape increases genetic diversity. It's one Canadians don't look inbred, as the British do.

>>2664378
Implying that that is my actual stance and not a responce to your hyperbole.

Also if we only count asult population the number rises greatly.

"According to the U.S. Bureau of Justice Statistics (BJS) 7,225,800 people at yearend 2009 were on probation, in jail or prison, or on parole — about 3.1% of adults in the U.S. resident population, or 1 in every 32 adults."

That is a lot of people. Imagine that from every class of about 30 people one of them was in jail or in similar situation in that year. Imagine that when you are in any place where there are more than 30 people chances are that some of them is a criminal.
No wonder you need so much guns when everywhere you go there are loads of criminals

>>2664391


http://www.businessweek.com/blogs/eyeonasia/archives/2009/08/japans_population_decline_is_gathering_
momentum.html

By 2050 Japan will be absorbed by China.

>>2664388
Compare that to this graph.

Good to see those cops are working out for you canucks.

>>2664394

>60 million Britons
>30 million Canadians

coolstorybro.jpg

>>2664382
Yeas that is a problem i would love to get rid of, it's the weak politicians that are afraid to do anything and the feminists that love to get raped. But the system itself isn't focused on creating criminals but rather reducing the number of criminals. Our criminals come from abroad while your criminals are home grown

>>2664406
lol, you seriously believe that?
I think the Us has more propaganda than north korea.
the US can do no wrong!

>>2664408
I dont understand what you mean by that? I was talking about europe as "us" and "US" as you. Do you see a problem there?

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