/sci/ - Science & Math

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematics#Mathematics_as_science

programming = pure engineering

I've always been under the impression that Mathematics is the language of Science.

Math is just a tool

Don't make me post the xkcd comic

a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws

It matches the detention perfectly.

Math and science are virtually opposites. Proofs in math are binary and eternal, while theories in science are always contingent and transitory. The whole approach of math and science are completely at odds, applying the thinking of one to the other results in simple fail.

tl;dr- No.

>>2617432

That's not a definition of science I recognize. Also, there are NO proofs in science.

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nobody is implying that math is a science. Whoever believes that math is a science should be murdered

>>2617475

Wrong on such a fundamental level. That fag really is a fag.

>>2617482
the joke is on the people who do that, not that he feels that way.

>>2617487

Having seen a couple of his 'comics', I disagree. The guy is a tool of the highest order.

>>2617494

Xkcd is owned by an engineer. What did you expect?

Why don't you just choose how you want to use the word and proceed accordingly? It's semantics, man.

>>2617423
This.

>>2617514

> They're just words, brah, anything can be anything in a relativistic world

Stupid on such a fundamental level.

>>2617514

You've idealized science based on what you learned in science class.

>>2617518
>>2617526
Pfft. If you think that science is any systematic and publicly confirmable inquiry into objective truths, then math is a science. If you think that science requires empirical observation, then math is not a science. Take your pick. If you think that math is the verifiable means to discover truths of nature, then you think math is a science just in case you think mathematical facts are facts about nature. Take your side.

>>2617543

Science is empirical, or it is nothing. Math cannot be empirical, and is thus not science. This is not difficult (except for you, apparently).

>>2617555
Then it's also difficult for every German mathematician, where math falls under Wissenschaft (science). You are assuming that "science" is restricted to natural science. Because that's your language. In 19th century Britain, ethics was often called "moral science." Linguistic boundaries are arbitrary. Why not rather distinguish between empirical activities which are natural sciences versus those which are not? Or ask what the role of empirical observation in mathematics actually is (instead of just assuming there is none)? How about geometry? If astrophysics reveals that the universe is flat, then does it follow that the parallel postulate is true? Or are these questions too simple for everyone but me?

Math is not a science in the same way English is not a novel.

>>2617576
thats a bad analogy...

Dictionary.com sez science is:
a branch of knowledge or study dealing with a body of facts or truths systematically arranged and showing the operation of general laws: the mathematical sciences.

>>2617555
PS: suck on this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Formal_science

>>2617580

Not that fag. It's a good analogy, math is the tool science uses.

>>2617591

Formal science =/= science. When used alone, the word 'science' invariably refers to empirical science.

> 2 + 2 (given that the value of '2' is in fact 2.0-)
but what is 2.0? what is '+'? What is 4.0?

>>2617690

These terms are all well defined.