/sci/ - Science & Math

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Sounds shit, I'll pass.

what the fuck am i reading
>rid off my emotions and sex drive.
how?

>>2614948

Nah can see stuff clearly now. No bias in my thinking. In total control of my body.

You are controlled by your emotions.

Your desire to divest yourself of all emotion is in fact an emotionally driven human obsession.

your head is now exploding

logic is a tool
a computer is logical
a computer is not considered alive
the mere fact that this thread exists makes you contradict yourself
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>>2614954

My desire is perfection. From an early age I got the idea of obtaining perfection, more likely due to poor intelligence when I was younger.

By overthrowing my emotions I can now do anything. No longer will I be controlled by hunger, or too tired to do stuff.

The only thing stopping me would be logic itself.

and tel me, what is the logic behind being on sci?

>>2614967

Computers aren't logical.

Either way that logic is flawed.

Emotions do not make us alive, alive is vague definition with the notation of consciouness. A computer isn't conscious. If you could make a computer aware of itself, then it would be alive even if it didn't have emotion.

I'm more aware of myself, than you. As I can see and control all my thoughts. You cannot control your emotions, you are driven by instincts.

Instincts and emotion isn't being aware. They are in fact inbuilt dumb programs in your mind. They make you dead. Awareness is what makes you alive.

>>2614986
burn'd

>>2614974
Hunger isn't an emotion.

>>2614986

None.

>>2615001

also, you might want to pay attention to those hunger pangs. Starving to death is not very logical.

>>2614974
tired isnt an emotion

>>2614974
No longer controlled by hunger? Doesn't sound logical to not eat if you are hungry... also a "desire" for anything, even a desire to be desireless, is still an emotional cognitive process. You are trying to achieve the impossible. Enjoy yourself.

>>2615007

>Enjoy yourself.

B-E-A-utiful

But posting this thread is a manifestation of the feelings pride and joy. Also evident in OP's choice of words.

I'm afraid this will not work and is highly illogical.

>>2614974
>>2614990

You've taken certain old principles to an extreme and, as such, completely misinterpreted them. The aim behind becoming a perfect human being does not rely upon the concept of eliminating your emotions; it relies upon manipulating them to best suit your situation. For example, being logical in your choosing of a mate and then being emotional in the midst of carnal affairs. By transforming yourself into an emotionless husk, you haven't reached perfection; you've reached emotional stupidity.

Emotion has allocated us to do wonderful and, dare I say it, miraculous things. Emotion is what guides us to become better, to do better, to push through obstacles; completely eliminating it is just foolish.

>>2615001
>>2615007
>>2615008

Hunger I mean controlling what you eat. Like I eat food that is only healthy now.

Tiredness is not a emotions. However, will power is important. I know got the will power to study ten hours a day, now got the will power to exercise three hours a day.

Only sleep 6 hours a day now.

Also, what the logic behind being on sci/ wanted to help you lot. As you helped me.

everybody gettings trolleds.

In This Life:
Ppl have shallow definitions of what awereness is, what emotions are,what life is etc.

OP, you ARE driving by your instincts, why do you think you want to be better than you already are?
You are one confused young fella

>>2615024

>Tiredness is not a emotions. However, will power is important. I know got the will power to study ten hours a day, now got the will power to exercise three hours a day.

Are you even in School?

>>2615024

You also speak as though you have a mental disability. Enjoy your failure.

I am going to assume OP is trolling because if he isnt, then I really just feel bad for him.

> MFW OP runs into or is forced to partner with an attractive, smart woman one day and his whole Vulcan schtick goes right out the window due to his irrepressible lust.

You are either of a species physiologically incapable of emotion or your own emotional desire to suppress other emotions subsumes your former constitution. The very fact that you are human betrays the logic of your characterization.

>>2615018

The original post was trying to help you guys on this forum. The logic behind this was that someone here helped me, so I'm paying back.

If I could help 1 person on here better themselves by becoming a logical being, it would be worth ten minutes.

>>2615019

I agree with that point. However, elimating emotions makes you a perfect being. In that your actions are based on logic and reasoning.

I can give examples. But, can't imagine a situation where emotions will be good in place of reason.

In a fight, anger is bad as you want skill and technique. In exercise you want the emotions that hold you back gone. In studying you would want boredom to go.

Even happiness is bad as when that goes you are depressed.

Sherlock Holmes would be ultimate being.

>>2615038

Read Roger Penrose. He says similar stuff to me. How emotions are primitive and the computational part, however consciouness is the part that is non computational and goes beyond logic.

>>2615030

Study Mathematics at Manchester university.

>>2615029

I did suffer from speech impairment. No I don't. Just believe that you should become perfect.

>>2615041

It's evolution. Becoming less animalistic. Sooner or later homo sapiens going to be less homo and more sapien.

I'm trying to become a being of consciousness, hence why getting rid of everything that is primitive in me.

>>2614945

Emotion is linked to cognition, dumbass, there's no simple way around it. You're just deluding yourself.

>>2614945
>Hey /sci/, still foreveralone.jpg but now I've convinced myself I don't give a fuck. Try it out fags.

>>2615045

>In a fight, anger is bad as you want skill and technique. In exercise you want the emotions that hold you back gone. In studying you would want boredom to go.

You've obviously never been in a fight. While anger can be bad, it can also be the motivating force to inspire the last bit of courage to turn the tides of a fight. It can provide that motivational force to completely overcome your enemy. Have you played a contact sport, ever, in your life? Basketball, Football, etc?

>In exercise you want the emotions that hold you back gone.

During exercise, you can utilize that extra ounce of motivation to push yourself forward. Even though your physique may feel limited, exhausted or whatever else, you can dig deep and completely push through your boundaries. While logic is an accessory, pure/raw emotion can never do that.

>In studying you would want boredom to go.

Ok, I suppose I can agree with that. Regardless, emotion can be used as a motivating force.

i.e., I came from poverty and remember my past with no money. That makes me angry -> Makes me study harder for longer periods of time.

>Even happiness is bad as when that goes you are depressed.

Happiness has been shown to boost serotonin levels and, as such, create a stabilized/healthier life.

>Sherlock Holmes would be ultimate being.

What? Sherlock Holmes was a fucking druggie. He'd be far from this "ultimate being."

>While logic is an accessory, pure/raw emotion can never do that.

I meant to say,
>While logic is an accessory, it can never do what pure/raw emotion can.

>>2614945
Did you read this OP: http://www.marketaz.co.uk/StarTrek/Vulcan/med2.html

>>2614945
By coming to /sci/ seeking approval/wasting your time you have proven your actions are not based on logic and reason and you would have realized by now the only point of life is procreation.

Move along plebeian.

>>2614945
You are my goal. I've already gotten rid of plenty of unnecessary emotions and no longer want to have sex. I do, however, require frequent masturbation which does piss me off.

>>2615151
This is intellectual discourse. It is you, who is committing ad hominem and driven by emotions.

http://insomnia.ac/essays/of_immaculate_perception/

Your desire and lust for perfection is precisely A STRONG EMOTION.

You slander all forms of great men and creators by slandering the emotions which they were able to harness into their own harmonies.

You, with your decadance and your sickness, are too weak to harness those fluxes and instead attempt to deny the most obvious manifestations of the emotions that you cannot control while being manipulated by a drive which drives you to such self-laceration.

>>2615151

A common mistake this emphasis on "procreation". What we truly desire is war and power and procreation is just ONE of many tools to extend our desires onto future generations. While woman only has procreation for the most part, man has been granted science, politics, war, and philosophy as their means to future domination.

>>2615121

>You've obviously never been in a fight. While anger can be bad, it can also be the motivating force to inspire the last bit of courage to turn the tides of a fight. It can provide that motivational force to completely overcome your enemy. Have you played a contact sport, ever, in your life? Basketball, Football, etc?

I've been in countless fights. Anger hasn't actually helped winning them. Real fighting like UFC is not about anger, but about technique and planning.

The rest is just strawmans.

Motivation isn't an emotion. Motivation is a reason to do something. If my flat was on fire, I would be motivated to leave. That isn't a emotion.

Lastly, if something was truly important, then emotion would not factor. As there would be a greater reason to do it.

People assume without emotions life is pointless. But, then that just simplfying life down pleasure pain reactions. The idea that you are just someone who reacting to good stuff.

Motivation is a reason to do something. If the reason isn't strong enough and you need to go back to animal instincts, then you are controlled.

Because, what if you don't get angry, what if the stupid chemicals in your brain stopped giving out pleasure responces. You will be screwed. You will fail.

But, I base my decisions on reasoning. So will never be out of motivation, as if there is a reason to do it, and a possible mechanism that I can actually do it, I will.

Also, drugs are good. Erdos took drugs through out his life. Most athletes take steroids.

>>2614945
Logic and reason would never allow you to come to 4chan. If anyone ever becomes this 'thinking machine', /sci/ will never know.

>>2615169

Another subhuman misconception, the notion of the unnecessary emotion. For he who can overcome such emotion BECOMES a stronger man and that very process of overcoming was NECESSARY for the increase of strength.

Priestly types, Priestly types everywhere.

>>2615121

>Basketball

>contact sport

>>2615227

Motivation is an emotion! Otherwise it would be a mere peripheral command with no purchase on the motion of our bodies other than as an appeal to an actual emotion which would then MOVE OUR BODIES AND MINDS.

Emotions can only be overcome with STRONGER emotions.

I would like to think the OP is trolling but sadly I think he actually is a pathetic, foreveralone high schooler who genuinely thinks he's superior to everyone.

Go actually do something. Get a paper published, do some research. Until then, you're really not superior to anyone.

>>2615236

Son, have you ever played pick-up-games at parks? Fucking brutal.

>>2615227

>Also, drugs are good. Erdos took drugs through out his life. Most athletes take steroids.

Because one person took drugs, this makes drugs good? This is a completely unreasonable conclusion, given the fact that a wide variety of drugs(especially those Erdos took) have a spectrum of health side-effects. Steroids also have massive health side-effects if taken continuously over a long period of time.

>I've been in countless fights. Anger hasn't actually helped winning them. Real fighting like UFC is not about anger, but about technique and planning.

I'm not talking about UFC; I'm talking about real fighting, too. I've been in some horrible brawls where I was able to become angered, develop some surge of strength and completely overcome my opponent. Reason/logic can't do that; emotion can.

This is just nonsensical now, though. You've taken certain principles and stretched them way too far. Aristotle, as well as Montaigne, argued excessively about becoming a virtuous individual and attaining/acquiring perfection. To become a completely virtuous individual, however, you must utilize reason as your primary component. They knew, however, that complete virtue was never possible as human beings are limited. Pure virtue, true virtue, was an IDEAL. Socrates is considered the only person who became close to it, and some scholars aren't even sure if Socrates EXISTED.

>Now superior to most people.
And the reason for this?

>Every action is based on logic and reason and not monkey insincts that most people are driven by.

sounds arrogant and egotistical... based on pride... which is an emotion.

IOW, there is no logical reason to rid yourself of emotions... unless to make you *feel* superior.

OP should read Damasio's Descartes' Error before he throws his "emotions" away

good luck learning without emotions retard

good luck being too retarded to transcend cultural paradigms about emotions and intelligence to ascertain actual mechanisms through which the mind operates

OP is pathetic. I bet he'll be back fapping to porn in no time.

I always do that, it won't work.

OP seeks attention and appreciation.

OP is not a logical thinking machine. Even if he was I don't see the difference it would make since free will doesn't exist. We are all observers either way.

>>2615460

>I have a dark soul
>you plebians would never understand