/sci/ - Science & Math

> Turn on national TV channel
> terminator 2 is on
> awsesume
> get snacks

>Turn on the history channel
>Numerous shows starring fat rednecks that need subtitles to be understood
>Nutjobs talking about how the Bible code predicts the end of the world
>ALIENS DID IT
>Truckers
>More religious bullshit
>some show about a pawn shop

Amerikan TV is a farce.

>>2603807
>some show about a pawn shop
That's actually one of the better shows, they occasionally consult actual experts and put their money on it.

>turn on /sci/
>retarded ex-/new/ trolls
>go back to /b/ newfags

>>2603792
Americans agree that their TV is a farce. I mean, fuck. We have Fox News and Bill O'rly.
Channel goes up, channel goes down. Always a miscommunication. Can't explain that.

>>2603792
Hey, I completely agree with that and I'm an amerifag. I hate that machio kaku guy. Intelligent people don't actually watch those science shows. It's all pandered towards religious people who want their religion validated by science or idiots who don't understand science.

They have to make money, too. The reason most non-scientist outsiders like science is that they think it is making "massive breakthroughs" of epic proportions. They want to be dazzled. Real scientists know that 90% of what's called a "breakthrough" is not, and simply something that has been known for a long time but only now has some practical application.

and yet we put out things like this
http://www.khanacademy.org/

There is giant variation in america

It time for you people to understand that in a country as diverse as the USA you can never judge it on a couple examples because there will most likely be many counterexamples.

and due to that variation we are the most advanced nation in the world.

>>2603864
>most advanced nation
>can't even win a war against peasant farmers and sandniggers using military equipment from 30 years ago

Pawn stars is actually entertaining atleast

>>2603880
You can't beat guerrilla warfare.

No one in the world can.

>>2603880
>Doesn't understand guerrila warfare

We beat the british using it and we were vastly outnumbered and had worse technology. It's like trying to fist fight someone who keeps poking you with a stick and running away. While they can't possibly win, neither can you.

>>2603884
True, the only effective but wrong solution is nuking, or in your analagy, shooting the poking person in the head with a shotgun and point blank.

>turn on science channel
>everything even remotely science related is turned into some contrived analogy because the raw scientific concepts would go over the average american viewer's heads
>think of the waves of energy like going to the beach at high tide
>think of particle radomness like being lost in the streets of manhatten
>think of gravity like the drain in your shower
>think of the heisenburg uncertainty principle like playing peakaboo with a baby

ect. ect. ect.

Please stop judging America by its TV shows, or we'll just bring up the stupid television you have on BBC or whatever the hell you guys have.. except we don't watch your shit, but you still clearly watch ours. I'm sorry that we have more than five channels.

>>2603880
Learn your history we lost because we could not attack North Vietnam because that might have triggered a war with the soviets.

I find it funny that Europeans watch American television. What's a matter? Have nothing of your own? As much as I hate television, you seem to love to do what we do.

>>2603898
>stupid television you have on BBC or whatever the hell you guys have.


AHAHAHA

GOOD LUCK WITH THAT


David attenborough gonna fuck you up.

Also

>Implying your shows arent 50% british shows with american narration for american viewing

>>2603904
I'm sure there are Americans watching European television aswell, no big deal.

>turn on science channel
>show about the sun and the stars
>oh this looks interesting
>Canis majoris has a diameter of 1 billion miles and weighs 1000 times as much as our sun
>weighs

seriously

>>2603904
My British sky digital box has around 600 seperate british tv channels full of british shows

We are simply complaining about your shitty shows because its fun

>>2603892
Pretty much. If you're going to fight a guerilla enemy, the only way to win is to come in with overwhelming force and weapons or not fight at all. That's why we lost vietnam. We were fighting a guerilla enemy and didn't want to put in the effort to come in with overwhelming force so we pulled out.

>>2603912

noep. If we see a british show we like, we just create our own superior version. (See: whose line is it anyways, american idol, survivor, ect.)

>>2603912
Wait...

So your first argument is saying that Americans suck because of the shit they have on television, and then your second argument is that the British WRITE it?

Think about what you're saying.

>>2603924
And them you ban them for being offensive right.

>>2603920
>>2603920
>That's why we lost vietnam
>america
>lost a war

you actually believe that?

>>2603918
They get shit wrong all the time. I got excited when that special The Universe came out on the history channel. Then I saw it and they had a good 4-5 blatant mistakes per episode and every other episode was about how the earth was going to end (apparently asteroids according to them). It was just really stupid.

>>2603926
The first argument you are speaking about isnt me.

>>2603935
How's that war in Iraq coming along? Win it yet? How about the War on Terror? Have you defeated Terror?

>>2603935
we sure as hell didn't "win" the vietnam war

we backed out, and then South Vietnam was crushed

The only documentaries worth anything are Cosmos and Connections. I haven't seen any other worthwhile programs.

>>2603945
The USA has done much more for the Middle East than Europeans. We save the world. You sit back and bitch. Hell, Britain is the sole cause of half the fucking shit going on.

>>2603935
Someone needs to go back to highschool history.

>>2603954
>The USA has done much more for the Middle East than Europeans

Like what


Bombing the shitt out of them?

>>2603954
I was about to agree with you until you said...

>>Britain is the sole cause of half the fucking shit going on.

>>2603956
He did, the American education system taught him that they never lost a single war

>>2603957
Exactly.

>>2603962
>Implying British colonization didn't fuck half the Middle East.

>>2603926
>and then your second argument is that the British WRITE it
he said the British wrote 50% of it.

Learn to read, you illiterate American piece of retard.

>>2603972
>Implying americans didnt fuck over the world

We made the middle east better anyway.

>>2603957
Remember Kuwait?

>>2603982
Yes, and Murrica bombing the shit out of them and raping civilians

>>2603918
>implying the sun doesn't weigh anything
You can actually calculate the "weight" of the sun, considering it keeps the earth in orbit..

Also, I'm not sure if this is accurate, but is weight directly proportional to mass? Then the remark would even kind of make sense.. Though it's kind of stupid, yes.

>>2603984
America is alpha as fuck.

ITT: retarded Americans get schooled.

What's that, Europe?

Sorry, can't hear you. I'm in space.

>live in america
>actually HAVE science channel
>mfw

>>2603989
>child rapists
>alpha as fuck
Sure thing, Billy.

Also by your logic niggers are way more alpha then white boys, which is actually kind of true.

>>2603994
>scrapped

Also INTERNATIONAL space station.

>>2603988
The sun's weight doesn't really make sense, as weight relates to the gravity of a planet.

Your weight is the normal force that pushes against you as your mass and gravity push against the Earth. So the mass of the sun is more correct because it doesn't contribute gravity. The number they chose would be the same, but the statement of that "weighing" 1000 times more is wrong, rather say its 1000 times more "massive".

>>2604000
Haha you fuckers have to band together to be half as good as us.

And we're scrapping it to improve it.

>>2604002
*than

Britain has a few good shows, the one with Attenborough for example
But you don't let anyone outside of Britain see it, wtf?

TL;DR American TV shows may be retarded but at least it gets money, on the other hand the entire British television industry is retarded

>>2604009
>But you don't let anyone outside of Britain see it, wtf?

Get a satellite dish.

And wtf, british tv works the same way yours does with the exception of the BBC

>>2604020
>british television works the exact way yours does
>implying americans need a television license

>>2604009

the BBC is fundamental to the integrity of the nation. it is by its very charter politically impartial. nothing is advertised, nothing is sold, no party or company can give them money for anything. they are the main information source of the nation, therefore having the power to shape national opinions by the trust we hold in them, and they are utterly immune to any form of lobbying.

we each pay a small fee to allow this, and i'm extremely glad for that fact. we have true freedom; mental freedom.

>>2604000
76% built and funded by NASA

also we are the only nation to land humans on another world.

Also we are only ones that have currently announced that we are going beyond earth orbit and have set dates
for it.

Then we also to count in to private sector which is planning on making fully reusable rockets, Space stations that hold 24 people by 2017, Suborbital flight affordable to the average middle class citizen, Spacecraft that land on the ground without wings, Reducing the cost to get to orbit by a factor of 10, ect..

and all you guys have is 1 rocket that launches satellites and cargo vehicles.

Pathetic

>>2604045
Whereas murrica has fox news

>>2604050
Not samefag, just adding.

I've also seen several articles of various countries making it to mars... in simulations. Other countries are so pathetic, they have to write programs to simulate going to outerspace.

>>2604032
>>2604037

lol british TV licenses enjoy your queen

>>2604059
Wat

>implying anyone with any shred of sense watches television, period (other than small doses)

>>2604050
>Then we also to count in to private sector which is planning on making fully reusable rockets
English, please.

>>2604064
Yep

http://www.redshift-live.com/en/magazine/articles/Exploring_Space/34022-The_first_fullduration_simul
ation-1.html

Three russians, two europeans and a chinese guy all simulated going to mars.

>>2604074
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_9#Reusability

>>2604020
Don't you think I did you moron? Says "content blocked", they don't want to air it here because the US government refused to subsidize them.

>>2604059
The country you're talking about is Russia, as in, the first people ever in space. The "simulation" is a training mission prior to the actual Mars mission.

>>2604089
And yet their Only rocket capable of going out of earth blew the fuck up all 4 times it was tested.

But no some simulation makes up for it

and here i was thinking that /sci/ was smart enough to not get trolled by the oldest troll in the book

oh well, if you can't beat em.... AMERIKKKA HURRRRR

>>2604103
Is english your first language?

Please, for the love of god, spellcheck and edit your shit before posting
I have no idea what you're saying

Are you saying Russians don't have space rockets?

I always find it funny that United States of America is always compared to groups of countries.

>>2604110
He's saying that all attempts have failed, whereas America has achieved much success, many, many times.

It's not hard to read.. Don't just play "DURR I CAN'T READ BECAUSE OF YOU." Clearly, it's you.

>>2604113
>United
>States
There's your problem

>>2604113
Thats because US vs. one country is laughable. You have to do something like US vs. all of europe to get something comparable.

>>2604110
No I won't edit my text.

Im saying that The Russians have never gone beyond earth orbit, and when they tried their rocket exploded.

>>2604127
Following that logic, one state = one country of Europe. Damn, I can't believe Rhode Island beats out France.

>>2604127
Yeah we have states so does most everyone else there just called something else like provinces.

Germany has Bavaria for example

>>2604130

you mean russian people, surely? since non-manned russian missions have been to mars.

>>2604127
Most countries other than the USA have state-like entities as well. We just put more strength (unless we have a stupid fucking Liberal in charge) into our states because we aren't retarded.

>>2604127
States are not equivalent to countries.

>>2604113

because the united states of america is also made of multiple countries? Canada and mexica, and cuba are all part of america too, dumbass. That's why it's called the united states, because it's several different countries UNITING with the states that make up the mainland.

>>2604129

europe itself is comprised of very small nations. russia is frequently compared to the whole of europe, as is china, even india these days. the usa isn't a special case, it's just confirmation bias in your own mind since you probably only take note of anything mentioning the usa. (china, usa and india are the 3 most populous nations btw. this comparison shit makes sense).

>>2604151
HAHAHA OH WOW.

That's North America, the fucking continent. The United States of America is the country that is the collection of 50 states. Holy shit.

>>2604138
so have american and we have landers on FUCKING TITAN

>>2604138
Yeah and the last time they went there was like 1973. The US has landed probes on Mars, one of which is still running 7 years later.

>>2604124
Grammar indicates you're the tripfag actually

1. Soviets had the first rover on Mars to transmit back images
2. Currently the most active nation in space is Russia and they handle about 70% of satellite launches int he world
3. Russian cosmonauts have to date logged the most hours in space
4. The ISS is based on MIR-2, a successor to MIR
5. Until America gets a replacement for the shuttle, it will rely on Russians for all manned space transports

Don't be ridiculous

You can make fun of Russian roads, but not their space program

>>2604151
Wow... what's it like having the same mental capacity as a rock? Do you forget to breath sometimes?

>The Russians have never gone beyond earth orbit
Neither have Americans dumbass, the moon is in Earth orbit

OP here.

So much for /sci/ being the "smartest board on 4chan"
You tards are easier to troll than /mu/

>>2604183
it takes a real fuckwit to think that naming a board "Science & Math" causes its denizens to become intelligent

OP is a faggot

>>2604165
Yes we can

We landed on the moon the Russians did not

We built 76% of the ISS

Also in 3 years we will have a spacecraft that Superior to the Soyuz in both Cost and amount carried to orbit. Its mostly done we just need to add a launch escape system, life support, and seats.

>>2604179
Do you even know the definition of going beyond earth orbit?

You can not be that stupid

I call troll

>>2604210
Go watch your favorite Larry the Cable Guy DVD.

>>2604215
That's a natural response. Once you run out of objections to factual information, you resort to insults. Very nice. I've always found that was the best way to win an argument.

History has good stuff early in the mornings, when older people who want to see history are up. Like 6AM.

As for science, read a journal. TV is for the uneducated.

>>2604241
>tripfag dropping his trips to samefag

>>2604261
Nope, I am not the tripfag. Good try though, you almost validated yourself.

>>2604194
lol u upset

the BBC is the best network of the world, you cant compare it to retarded American TV.. that's not fair.

the BBC operates completely in a different manner, its been built around social interests and not economical. The fee is completely worth it.

And im not even british

>>2604151
hahahaha 10/10

>Turn on BBC

>Every show is about science

>Everyone in Britain has a PhD

>Britain has more Nobel prizes than anyone

>Every British citizen is beautiful

>Britain wins the most gold medals at the Olympics

>There is a British flag on the moon

>Britain has the best ranked Universities in the global top 100

>The worlds top companies are British

>All of Europe and the world respects Britain

Rest of the world are you even trying?

>>2603884
>worse technology
What about the simple but effective bayonet, a gun that is useful in melee. And what about the adaption of a German gun, the predecessor of the sniper rifle, that could shoot twice as far? Yes, your tactics were good, but they didn't win it alone.

>>2604405
Brits your glory days are over.
Love: Brazil

>>2604199
>Also in 3 years we will have a spacecraft that Superior to the Soyuz in both Cost and amount carried to orbit.
You do know the Russians have already replaced the Soyuz for most things?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progress_%28spacecraft%29

>We built 76% of the ISS
Bullshit, both NASA and FKA have five modules
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orbital_Segment

>>2604405
lol

>>2603903
You should learn your history fucktard. The fight wasn't against the north, it was against the popular peasant uprising in the south against a puppet regime.

>>2603898

There are two very simple reasons for why this happens:

1. It's cheaper and easier to import American shows than to write one's own.

2. Advertising revenue is lower in smaller countries, especially when those countries also have lower levels of conspicuous consumption than the US. This gives a massive advantage to the American TV industry.

>>2604551

Brazilians, you never have had and never will have glory days, just drugs and gang warfare.

Love, Britain.

>>2604812
>The spacecraft is an unmanned resupply spacecraft

Oh I get it you're retarded

>>2604900
yay you have a satellite launcher

aren't you special

Still no manned spacecraft or a manned rated rocket?

Then fuck off

>>2603792

This is why PBS/NPR cannot die in the hands of the republican house budget committee. Real educational content cannot compete with senseless entertainment and pseudoscience in the market. Those horrible shows generate more viewers and more ad revenue. We need to keep legitimate science programming available for the shrewd and or educated viewers.

Capcha: Turing tteryp

>>2604812
You're an idiot. The Soyuz is a kind of rocket. Not a fucking spacecraft. You're thinking of the Soyuz A - ACTS spacecraft.

Fuck you.

>>2604891
lol NASA graph

>The spacecraft is an unmanned resupply spacecraft
Where did I say otherwise? We were arguing tonnage and cheapness

Also, if you want to be anal about it, look up Soyuz TMA-M

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soyuz_TMA-01M

>British networking
>Skins

You are certainly one to talk, europe.

>implying that any of your NASA bullshit will matter after Obama cancels NASA's funding

>>2604924
Suck my dick you faggot transvestite pussy, that's what I was talking about

lrn2cotext

>>2604909
>Still no manned spacecraft
Wut?

>>2604923


Indeed, this is why the BBC is superior, for instance a program on German art would never survive in America. And even if it were in Britain it would never survive if it were commercial. However the BBC still makes it even though it won't necessarily attract many viewers at all, just because the BBC is amazing!

And to anyone crying about multiple countries getting compared to USA well the USA has 330m people, and Germany being the most populous in the EU has 80m. Per head of population the USA is still the most retarded country in the world.

>Turn on the TV
>Remember that TV is shit
>Turn off the TV

Such is life in capitalist America.

No, really. I pretty much never watch TV, which has been bad for my knowledge of current events but whatever. I still follow stuff like the arab world protests because they're cool. ("The rioting is growing to the point where we may not be able to contain it." "Why contain it? ...it's cool!")

>"American" space program.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodore_von_K%C3%A1rm%C3%A1n
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

It's funny how China hasn't been mentioned yet. Let's talk about how China owns America... that's what I want to talk about. Enjoy selling all your shit to China to get rid of your debt, Amerifags.

>>2604991

And let us not forget that the most used orbital launchers in the world all originated from Soviet Russia:

Soyuz, 840 launches
Kosmos, 440 launches
Proton, 335 launches

America is small-time by comparison

>>2604991
>commissioned SS officer
>SS officer

America outsourced to the Nazis eh?

>>2604946

Plenty of people think that PBS/NPR are amazing too. Just imagine if the rural poor made up the majority of Britain and were duped into electing industry serving neo-liberal ideologues into high office. This is what happened in November in the US. They think that because PBS and NPR are not commercially viable that they have no right to exist (they also think that educational programming has a liberal bias)...honestly I almost think that republicans are interested in decimating education in order to widen the class divide and keep the masses dumb for hegemonic purposes.

>We landed on the moon the Russians did not.

Russians did land on the moon. They however understood that the initial step into space was to be taken by robots, and that's what they did.

Shortly after americans first stepped on the moon a russian automated probe touched down, scooped up lunar soil, and flew back to earth.
Later, a russian lunar rover was put on the moon(but due to classical russian screwups they lost contact shortly after touchdown).

If russia had not been ruled by a retarded douchebag they would be the apex of technology and world leader in everything right now.

The US was simply lucky. Europe and Japan was smoking craters after WW2, russia and china was ruled by autocratic madmen. Big fucking suprise that the US took the lead, although the presidents may have been partial morons they atleast had a turnover time and some iniative to care about progress and development instead of pipedreams.

>>2605130
Stop making excuses for your failures landing a robot is much harder then landing a human.

You fucking failed we got to the moon first

also by your logic the USA was the first to get to mars
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariner_4


Your not doing anything new while including commercial program we have over 10 programs running and we are actually doing NEW things.

>If russia had not been ruled by a retarded douchebag they would be the apex of technology and world leader in everything right now.
Thats highly speculative and very unlikely

I'm disappointed by both Americans and Europeans fighting each other to prove their superiority. Face it, you both suck. Why not work together to bring a glorious dawn?

>>2605496
because you touch yourself at night

>>2605496
yeah we can work together

But Australia can't join due to it not doing ANY important science

>>2605496

Not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise.

A morning filled with 400 billion suns.
I'm down.

>>2605511
>Still thinks I give a damn about what country I live in
Scia, stop being a immature 16 year old deist.

>>2605515
only a matter of time before you decay into radon bitch

>>2603880
>
>most advanced nation
>can't even win a war against peasant farmers and sandniggers usin

Neither can any other nation on earth faggot. Death figured in Iraq are like 2000 US troops and 600,000 iraqi civilians/insurgents.

> 2,000 dead Americans
> 600,000 dead Iraqi's
> US does not have most advanced tech.

lol?

You can't "win" wars that require genocide to win unless you commit genocide btw, and then your non USA weeaboo country would be crying about that.

If we don't commit genocide, somehow the US is less technologically advanced than ragheads. If we do commit genocide, herp derp we are a monster.

Wtf world, keep trying.

>>2605525

Explayne

>>2604923
Yeah, it's not like Nova is any better then the shit on the History Channel.

>>2605555
his name is fr 87
as in francium 87
which is radioactive

i think its funny...

>>2605518
You don't care because you know theres nothing of worth there.

The thing is you have no right to criticize other countries space programs, when your's does not even have one.

>>2605593
God, you're stupid. He didn't insult the space program. He insulted the fact that they're fighting each other like kids in middle school. You are a failure and need to stop typing.

>>2605593
Where's the manned Mars mission America

You said there'd be a manned Mars mission

>>2605605
who cares about mars which has no oil when we can get it all from the middle east

Amerifag here. Our TV shows, except for comedies and stuff like that, are pretty bad.
And British TV is amazing. If Top Gear was on all the time, I'd never watch any American shit.

I'm so confused, if my TV is lying to me, my school is lying to me, the internet,books, etc. What is true?

>>2605605
The official date is mid 2030's

>>2605648
Before Nixon it was 1981.
With a base in 1988.
And quite likely children would've been born around ~1992 on Mars.
THEY WOULD'VE GRADUATED HIGH SCHOOL NOW

Can you not concede that MAYBE your country sucks in a lot of things, and there is only a small percentage of people in it that produce the success of it? It's the same IN EVERY SINGLE FUCKING COUNTRY.

>>2605085
That's what the American public eduction system is for.

"Arguing that universal public education was the best way to turn the nation's unruly children into disciplined, judicious republican citizens, [Horace Mann] won widespread approval from modernizers, especially among fellow Whigs, for building public schools. Indeed, most states adopted one version or another of the system he established in Massachusetts, especially the program for "normal schools" to train professional teachers.[39]"
-Wikipedia

America is right fucked, but there is hope for us yet. The idea of freedom, if, at times, only in hollow words, is deeply ingrained into the American consciousness. This particular patch of land could be a rather nice place to live for a long time to come if the American people accept the end of the nation-state before any others, which doesn't sound so unlikely considering all of the secessionism everywhere.

>>2605804


Yeah America is fucked beyond belief. Their glory days are over. Not coming back.

>>2603882
Of course you can beat it, you just can't beat it in a way that isn't absolutely morally repugnant and highly unpopular, i.e. using nuclear weaponry to kill everyone.