/sci/ - Science & Math

this is such shit philosophy

willing and able, and on His time, not ours, is the answer

OP is a faggot - unknown

But malevolence is a human creation/emotion. This quote is under the very large assumption that any possible higher entity has any similarity to humans at all.

"If horses could talk, they would say God was a horse"

"Are you accepting applications?"
- Philosophy grad student, overheard at Starbucks

Take it to /b/ guys.

Actually, hell, I don't care where you take it.

Just GTFO my /sci/.

>>2604978
Fuck year Heraclitus

I'm so sick of that fucking Epicurus quote it's not even funny, just looking at it strains my eyes

"Even a whole society, a nation, or even all simultaneously existing societies taken together, are not the owners of the globe." -Karl Marx

>>2604982
>>2604993
>>2605012

"U mad?" - Anon

I swear, by my life and my love of it, that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine.
-Ayn Rand

>>2605031

>Ayn Rand
>philosopher

>>2605031
Ayn Rand is a bitch

I fucking troll'd u all

Sincerely,
OP

>>2605031
says the bitch who took medicare and social security under an assumed name

http://www.alternet.org/teaparty/149721/ayn_rand_railed_against_government_benefits,_but_grabbed
_social_security_and_medicare_when_she_needed_them/

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>>2605039
As opposed to Lenin, who rebels against a tyrant king, and the first thing he does after taking control is... ban freedom of speech?

>"But as to free speech," he remarked, "that is, of course, a bourgeois notion. There can be no free speech in a revolutionary period. We have the peasantry against us because we can give them nothing in return for their bread. We will have them on our side when we have something to exchange. Then you can have all the free speech you want--but not now.

>>2605051
That quote is from the Russian Civil War, after Russia had just gone through a world war and a revolution. The Bolsheviks weren't operating under normal conditions, so yes, they acted pretty authoritarian at times.

>>2605039
Let's go, faggot.

>>2605051

Lenin has done more to injure the cause of socialism than just about anyone in history. He shut down all democracy after assuming power, to avoid other left wing parties winning the elections.

>>2605046
>ad hominem tu quoque
>ad hominem tu quoque everywhere

>>2605086
Maybe the fact that the Queen of Objectivism couldn't follow her own philosophy is evidence that it might not be based in reality? You must be a real dyed-in-the-wool randroid.

>>2605051
>>2605073
"There are no absolute rules of conduct, either in peace or war. Everything depends on circumstances."

>>2605095
I don't give a shit about Rand.
But you're hilarious if you think that hypocrisy somehow invalidates an argument.
It doesn't.

I repeat:
>ad hominem tu quoque
>ad hominem tu quoque everywhere

>>2605102
I don't think it invalidates the argument by itself, but you're hilarious if you think it isn't the least bit peculiar that the founder of objectivism couldn't uphold objectivism.

>>2605112
Does it somehow make her reasoning less sound?

>>2605102

As long as no one has pointed out the obvious to you:

social healthcare prevents the middle and lower classes from dying like animals.

But I'm sure that being a good rand follower you only give a shit about yourself.

Hey! our he, Why? oh you. Hey! Double you, I see art he.

>>2605118
of course; not even she followed it

>>2605099

Nice dubz

>>2605118
Like I said, it's evidence that her reasoning may not be based in reality. Besides, there's plenty of evidence that her reasoning wasn't sound to begin with. She thought Israel should be supported over Palestine because Israel "had better technology". She said there shouldn't be a female president because it's not in a woman's self-interest to lead a male army.

"Couples are wholes and not wholes, what agrees disagrees, the concordant is discordant. From all things one and from one all things."

"This universe, which is the same for all, has not been made by any god or man, but it always has been, is, and will be an ever-living fire, kindling itself by regular measures and going out by regular measures."

>>2605126
ouch. gg dude.

If you awaken from this illusion, and you understand that black implies white, self implies other, life implies death — or shall I say, death implies life — you can conceive yourself. Not conceive, but feel yourself, not as a stranger in the world, not as someone here on sufferance, on probation, not as something that has arrived here by fluke, but you can begin to feel your own existence as absolutely fundamental. What you are basically, deep, deep down, far, far in, is simply the fabric and structure of existence itself. So, say in Hindu mythology, they say that the world is the drama of God. God is not something in Hindu mythology with a white beard that sits on a throne, that has royal perogatives. God in Indian mythology is the self, Satcitananda. Which means sat, that which is, chit, that which is consciousness; that which is ananda is bliss. In other words, what exists, reality itself is gorgeous, it is the fullness of total joy.

>>2605044
>How many of us COULD solve our younger siblings' pain by doing their homework for them? Are we malevolent for making them do it themselves?

Alright this is so eyebleedingly stupid I can't even get my head around..

You are comparing the pain of a mother who has to watch her husband get chopped up and her children gangfucked, then getting gangfucked herself, with children having to do homework?

You compare genocides, bloody carnage, gang child-rape and systematic torture with ... children having to do their homework?

Like, seriously?

And there's no "learning" effect for humans, it's actually scientifically possible to prove this. Or rather, there is no reason to learn, really.

"Genocide is bad." - Erm, why exactly? It's bad for the people that is getting genocided, no doubt, but can't it be good for the perpetrators?
They often financially gain from the situation and in many cases get to sexually gratify themselves. So I don't really see a problem.

The only ones that "learned" something are the ones that got genocided away, problem solved.

>>2605150gang child-rape

9 out of 10 people enjoy gang child-rape. In a democracy guess who gets to say what is good.

>>2605046
You have to take into account that a person pays into social security their whole lives. What if the received that extra money in their paycheck? Maybe she would have been able to pay her hospital bills, maybe not. But in either case some of that money was hers, so it could be viewed as a Robin Hood thing; Rand was taking out money that had been stolen from her. If someone steals your car and you take it back, are you a thief?

>>2605150
>And there's no "learning" effect for humans
I mean of course "humans" as in "the human race", not individual humans.

>>2605150
>Americunt detected

>>2605156
>ED rape joke
>LOOK GUYS IM EDGY AND FUNNEY

When all the world recognizes beauty as beauty, this in itself is ugliness.
When all the world recognizes good as good, this in itself is evil.

Indeed, the hidden and the manifest give birth to each other.
Difficult and easy complement each other.
Long and short exhibit each other.
High and low set measure to each other.
Voice and sound harmonize each other.
Back and front follow each other.

Therefore, the Sage manages his affairs without ado,
And spreads his teaching without talking.
He denies nothing to the teeming things.
He rears them, but lays no claim to them.
He does his work, but sets no store by it.
He accomplishes his task, but does not dwell upon it.

And yet it is just because he does not dwell on it
That nobody can ever take it away from him.

>>2605157
Did you read the article he linked to?

Rand had paid into the system, so why not take the benefits? It's true, but according to Stephens, some of Rand's fellow travelers remained true to their principles.

Rand is one of three women the Cato Institute calls founders of American libertarianism. The other two, Rose Wilder Lane and Isabel “Pat” Paterson, both rejected Social Security benefits on principle. Lane, with whom Rand corresponded for several years, once quit an editorial job in order to avoid paying Social Security taxes. The Cato Institute says Lane considered Social Security a “Ponzi fraud” and “told friends that it would be immoral of her to take part in a system that would predictably collapse so catastrophically.” Lane died in 1968.

And it still makes her a hypocrite for railing against something she needed. No one's arguing whether or not she has the right to it.

>>2605161
One person learns something then teaches others what they learnt thus humans as a whole learn.

>>2605179
>why not take the benefits

because she spent her life arguing that it was a corrupt system that was destroying society and making the individual weaker, but then she ran to it just as fast as every other plebeian idiot

Oh, pee.. Eyes, essay! F, edgy gee... oh, tea.jpg

>>2605188
We "learned" science (except Amhurrica, of course), if you want to call it that.

But that humanity can learn as a whole as a child can and acquire certain moral values, is just plain stupid (and it's a commonly held believe, actually).

Like, take genocide for example. Really, why shouldn't we kill all the Jews?
The "science" behind genocide justification maybe botched (all that retarded race-propaganda), but when it comes down to it, who gives a fuck?
The Jews gotta go. There you go, Jews. Nobody's gonna miss you, Jews.
Nobody wants you, Jews.

The "as long as it's not me"-ethic is biologically entrenched into our DNA.

Having laws that actively discriminate minorities up to and including straight out efforts of extermination seem only natural and crop up in every country, basically.

And politics isn't about being a "good" human being (by whatever measure), it's about power.
If it helps you gain power to be for the extermination of the Jews, so be it. Fuck them.

you call that a brilliant quote OP? sounds like some elementary school student crying about religion to me

itt uneducated atheists

>>2605225
>Really, why shouldn't we kill all the Jews?

If we learn that's fine then we'll do it, humanity is in a constant state testing out different things to see which are right for us, of course circumstances chance and we will learn to change how we view things

>>2605231
It is a brilliant quote.
What is an educated atheist for you?
Someone that doesn't say what he really thinks about god in respect for religious people?
I don't even care if you believe in god or not, i'll just say what i think about it.
Religious people are only based in quotes supposedly from god. Tell them that too, ignorant moron.

>>2604978

god created us in his image dumbass, read a book

>>2605247
brilliant? assuming God will act on man's timetable, and not His?

how is that brilliant? especially when God is timeless?

atheists are fools

"A letter does not blush."

"According to the law of nature it is only fair that no one should become richer through damages and injuries suffered by another."

"All pain is either severe or slight, if slight, it is easily endured; if severe, it will without doubt be brief."

"Freedom is a man's natural power of doing what he pleases, so far as he is not prevented by force or law."

"It is the peculiar quality of a fool to perceive the faults of others and to forget his own."

"Just as the soul fills the body, so God fills the world. Just as the soul bears the body, so God endures the world. Just as the soul sees but is not seen, so God sees but is not seen. Just as the soul feeds the body, so God gives food to the world."

Given God created the universe, able but not willing...to us...a tiny mote of dust...in the universe.