/sci/ - Science & Math

13.7 grams of British Columbia Goodness

>>2570558

I came

For a moment I thought I was on a weed porn thread on 420chan.

you guys are the most pathetic and sad kind of human beings there are. losers.

>>2570620

"And humanity will fear what it does not know"

>>2570620

The fuck?

sage

>>2570626
what are you trying to imply? i don't need to be a stoner to understand why one becomes one nor do i need to get high to understand how it feels.

you are one depressing person if you have this shit at home and use it like an aspirin.

with how potent marijuana has become, its no real surprise dependency issues are becoming a problem.

>>2570643

>Durrr you don't hold up to my self-made standards as a human being
>I have every right to judge you

>>2570643

you don't know either of those things, maybe some understanding of why people use pot, but you definitely don't know how it feels

do you know how sex feels before you fuck? no
you don't know how shit feels until you feel it. period.

>>2570643
>>2570652


Protip: There are people in this world who smoke marijuana socially, in the same way, people drink socially.

>>2570643
I can take 13 bowls and pass out, but if I take 13 asprins that'll be my last headache.

>>2570620
This man should smoke some dimethyltryptamine and begin to understand the order of the universe and how feeble his attempts of judgment on individuals are.

But marijuana dependence is real. Dr. Drew says a surprising amount of the addicts he treats are primarily marijuana addicts. I've read the numbers, I've read some of the literature regarding the toxic effects some cannabimimetic drugs can have on the brain...I think our culture is slowly developing an acceptance toward something which really is unhealthy. I think we will see many more schizophrenics in the coming decades when the effects take hold on the generation born in the 90s.

That said, a little toke now and then is not bad. Like a celebratory cigar, why not whip out the bong in celebration of some achievement?

>>2570675

funny you should mention that, aspirin is actually more physically addictive than cannabis, has more side effects, and is more likely to cause death

>>2570643

weed is an entheogen; not some pain killer


you wouldn't know tho cause you haven't tried it pussy

>>2570715

T-T-TROLL DETECTED

0/10

>>2570715

some people can't handle it; some people can't handle salvia trip either

shit's raw

doesn't mean it's not useful for others who are looking for revelation

best part of telling users that they are engaging in risky behavior, is listening to the excuses they come up with.

and then they usually finish up with a personal insult, as if I just called their girlfriend a whore.

>>2570730

that word does not mean what you think it means

y u do this?

I'll give OP the benefit of the doubt and assume he didn't intend on bringing this shit on. But Shirley he could've gone to a place where
a) he was more likely to get a non-flaming/trolling response
b) weed is not 'one of those things that annoys some /sci/'

And I'm not mad. Just disappointed.

>>2570756
i disagree

>coming from a friend, you shouldnt smoke man
>ill be fine

>you guys are the most pathetic and sad kind of human beings there are. losers.
>FAG


also, everyone who smokes weed is the same person and will react the same despite differing social situations and past experiences.

>>2570715
I'll agree with you that marijuana dependence is real but only in the psychological sense akin to how someone could develop a dependence towards over eating, video games, or even television. Though marijuana is not physically addictive like many other psychoactive substances such as opiates, and amphetamines. cut off a marijuana users habit and they will just become unhappy that they cant get high, cut off a heroin users habit and they will go through physical withdraws. Hell even benzodiazepine found in prescription anti anxiety medication can be physically addictive and the withdraws have even caused deaths. compare marijuana with many prescription drugs and you'll be surprised just how much healthier it is.

>>2570730
>>T-T-TROLL DETECTED

Not a troll, buddy, just a chemistry major trying to go to med school.

>botany
>chemistry/biology/math/physics if you MUST

i was going to discuss marijuana with you, but then i realized you were a shithead

why don't you faggots take this shit back to 420chan and stay in that shithole with other useless junkies where you belong

>>2570810
keep trying your best to justify your addiction homeboy

what's the problem /sci/ ?

weed is awesome

feynman, greatest physicist of all time was a toker, a midnight smoker.

>>2570837
fuck off

I make no justifications or defenses for weed's negative side effects and risks. I smoke it because I like it and I choose to.

Anyone can become an expert on all the facts and facets of marijuana but if they've never smoked it they don't know half of what the drug is about.

>>2570837

you address him by first AND last name you whore

op is shitty
/sci/ is close-minded
im going to /a/

>>2570841

OH FUCK HE SAID ADDICTION
US POTHEADS HIDE FROM SUCH TRUTHS
WE HAVE BEEN OUSTED WHAT SHALL WE DO

>>2570855

I make no justifications or defenses for broccoli's negative side effects and risks. I eat it because I like it and I choose to.

Anyone can become an expert on all the facts and facets of broccoli but if they've never eaten it they don't know half of what the vegetable is about.

>>2570837
I agree man, cannabis is one of my favorite psychoactive substances besides anything in the tryptamine family. And while were on the subject of great thinkers that used cannabis you can't forget Carl Sagan he wrote a great article related to it called mr.x if you haven't read it I would suggest it.

>>2570837
hey OP, I don't want to harsh on you or whatever, but what city do you live in and how much did that 1/2 oz cost?

>>2570820
>>compare marijuana with many prescription drugs and you'll be surprised just how much healthier it is.

Agreed with most of what you said. My main beef is that people--mostly ppl my age--are starting to think weed is somehow "healthy" or good for you. The 1950s-esque, Reefer Madness stuff is equally irrational, but it doesn't make sense to swing to the opposite side and say it's harmless. That proposition in California that attempted to make weed totally legal is a manifestation of the culture's changing attitudes, and I believe it is false progress. Marijuana won't kill you the way heroin or cocaine will, but it will have toxic effects on your neurobiology and possibly your mental health.

Certain drugs like alcohol and marijuana are relatively harmless with great moderation (< once a month). People shouldn't kid themselves, though. They are putting themselves at risk if they overindulge in marijuana.

>>2570880
Post studies where imbibing THC has harmed someone, not anecdotes, and not anything to do with smoking it.

>>2570878

hello friend

the 1/2 oz cost me $160 canadian, a fair price for this skunky bud with a nice amber crystal count cultivated @ plant maturity indicated by the brown hairs ofcourse

>>2570890
>>Post studies where imbibing THC has harmed someone, not anecdotes, and not anything to do with smoking it.

Do your own search on Elsevier. Use keywords like "cannabinoid" "toxicity" "neurotoxicity" "tetrahydrocannabinol" "schizophrenia risk." Lazy stoner.

>>2570890
rather than concern yourself with case studies and double-blind experiments, why dont you just go to a local MA meeting and see for yourself, I assure you there will be plenty of people that paid a price for consuming THC.

Shit you could even be a bad ass and tell them all they're just a bunch of pussy ass faggots and weed is totally cool. yea! you should totally do that BRO!

>>2570880
>relatively harmless with great moderation (< once a month)
>putting themselves at risk if they overindulge

it's okay to let your body get a little roughed up in the course of your lifetime. sitting for hours in front of a computer, exercising too much, or eating fast food all leave scars. i doubt smoking weed once every couple weeks (or even once a day, with the proper equipment) will have any sort of crippling, quality-of-life-reducing effect on you. the important thing is that you have fun while your here. unless you're an astronaut or something. i think you just have to be more/less cautious depending on your own natural resilience.

>>2570880
I'll agree with you combusting and inhaling any plant matter will bring carcinogens into your lungs but there are other ways of consuming tetrahydrocannabinol that don't involve combusting it.

>>2570880
Well if you are a chem major then what substance in marijuana is addictive? If it's a physical/chemical addiction that's one thing, but people can form psychologically to just about anything.

Also, I know thc can exacerbate previous mental problems most notably bipolar and schizophrenia, but are there any studies that found it to create new mental illnesses in subjects?

>>2570955
i wish the problem of psychological addictiveness wasn't treated like it was nothing. people act like you're no more likely to get addicted to pop tarts but thats just not true. the process of getting high can be fucking habit inducing and some people have a really hard time shaking it, because the mental state achieved is not the same as someones casual enjoyment of soder pop.

>>2570914
Already did. Only found researches concerning the addiction problems and none about THC or any cannabinoid intoxication or long-term damage.

>>2570955
>Also, I know thc can exacerbate previous mental problems most notably bipolar and schizophrenia

Marijuana is classified as a hallucinogen and like other hallucinogens it can bring out latent mental disorders. Though like any tryptamine if you don't have the prerequisite for any mental disorders there's really nothing to worry about

>>2570982
Not saying psychological addiction isn't power full or real. Just that it can be applied to anything that exhibits a response. People have been diagnosed with being 'addicted' to eating and thousands go to sex addicts anonymous meetings. Both of these things are normal and healthy, but people are somehow addicted to them.

>somehow addicted to them
>somehow

because they are enjoyable,deals with dopamine in the brain and stuff like endorphins

>>2570982
Exactly! Smart man here. Psychological addiction and habituation can have profound effects on the brain.

Seriously you guys; there would be no such thing as MA if it weren't a problem. It's funny how some stoner-types cite the large number of users as somehow evidence of its "harmlessness." Last time I checked, lots of people using a drug is not a positive mark on that drug!

To the person who asked, the addictive substance in cannabis is tetrahydrocannabinol. It crosses the blood brain barrier quite well due to its lipophillic nature. It has a rather great affinity for the CB1 receptor, causing among other things euphoria (but none of us need explanations there) and analgesia. The latter is of interest for medical applications, although there are pre-existing medications which perform the same effect with less contraindications.

One thing about which I am concerned is its ability to disrupt GABA function. This very reasonably be the cause for the incidences of marijuana-induced anxiety disorders. Marijuana addicts often end up abusing BZDs or alcohol when they develop an anxiety disorder.

If you're a marijuana addict, get help. There are many resources at your disposal to help your recovery. Don't try to justify it intellectually, though. Get healthy and be happy.

PROTIP:

NO RESEARCH INDICATES ANY DAMAGE WHATSOEVER FOR CANNABINOIDS!

tons of research indicates these are incredibly therapeutic and healthy compounds, even allowing neurons to live longer and respond better to stress/toxins

>>2571101

>>2571101
There is the problem with the whole hydrocarbons in burning plant matter causing cancer you know.
But thats solved with either a water bong/pipe/etc (filters most of the hydrocarbons out) or a vapo (boils THC out of plant matter)

>>2571101
see what I mean... stoners will try to convince you that not only is pot not a bad thing but its actually healthy and better for you than say alcohol or driving a car or even eating red meat.

>>2571111
>But thats solved

yea cause like water is nature filter man, and it doesn't cost a thing! We should just put a water filter over every smoke stack on the planet and we'd solve climate change.... WHOA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>2571129
>implying i smoke weed
>implying what i just said isn't true
Calm down, was just putting in my input.

>>2571113
>>see what I mean... stoners will try to convince you that not only >>is pot not a bad thing but its actually healthy and better for you >>than say alcohol or driving a car or even eating red meat.

Right. Marijuana addicts are in a unique position in that they can be relatively functional with their drug abuse and interpret their semi-functional capacity as evidence that it is not bad for you. Conflicted with questions of guilt, their left brains rationalize their compulsive behavior by going the next step and saying it's healthy for them (and you), which is where the fun stops and the treatment must begin.

If you want to smoke some weed once a month or so, fine. But humans rarely indulge in psychoactive substances with moderation, so avoidance from it is the best option.

These are all topics of addiction medicine and addiction psychology.

>>2571129
someone make a troll science pic with a bong on every factory and house and reference how water makes pot smoke clean and clear of pollution

DO IT!