/sci/ - Science & Math

Jesus Never Existed.

Prove me otherwise.
Give me proof that Jesus was alive

But Jesus loves everyone. He is not a racist.

>>2555659

Jesus is as real as santa claus

>>2555642

Nothing happens. Life continues without the slightest interruption like it does whenever people shout 'the end is nigh'.

>>2555674

But... My parents wouldn't lie to me - right?

i'm pretty sure jesus is black

and if he is a smart black man, then he certainly won't be allowing any niggers into heaven

problem solved, thread over
anything below this line is trolling:
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it depends on how you define "below"

>>2555674
Well I know which way you'll be going when the rapture comes.

if you can't laugh about the figments of your childhood you are not well adjusted

>>2555686

as long as me and you go to separate locations, I'm perfectly fine with that

also, prove that jesus existed.
DO IT FAGGOT.
OH WAIT YOU CANT BECAUSE THERE IS NO PROOF.

everyone seems so angry that other people believe in jesus

they seem as mad as the people who believe in jesus are about people who don't

>>2555710

I didnt start a thread about how jesus isnt real, I replied to one that claimed that all people who don't fall for the scam known as christianity will die painful deaths.

You're going to regret this when jesus returns

I'm talking about a fictional jesus as my jestful speculation on the end of the universe, which if you'd like can be a metaphor for death if you'd like.

can't we at least laugh at legos? you remember those little blocks you used to stack together when you were a kid and you built stuff out of them?

>>2555715
I didn't de-personafy all the people who believe in christianity like you did, asshole.

Maybe I should get some mid-east divine shrooms, have a revelation of my own, start a religion, get rich of tithes.

>>2555738

Jesus Never Existed.
Christian founders were on shrooms (pic related)

Prove me otherwise

>>2555693
PROVE THAT HE DOESN'T FAGGOT. YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT.

>>2555753

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus

I will now begin quoting

"The historicity of Jesus concerns how much of what is written about Jesus of Nazareth is historically reliable. The historicity of Jesus covers a spectrum of ideas that range from "the gospels are inerrant descriptions of the life of Jesus"[1] to "the gospels provide no historical information about Jesus' life including his very existence".[2][3][4][5][6]"

"The existence of Jesus as a historical figure has been questioned by some biblical scholars; among the earliest were Constantin-François Volney and Charles François Dupuis in the 18th century and Bruno Bauer in the 19th century. Each of these proposed that the Jesus character was a fusion of earlier mythologies though Volney felt that confused memories of an obscure historical figure might have integrated into this already existing solar mythology.[58][59]

In the first half of the 20th century, the views of scholars who entirely rejected Jesus' historicity were based on a suggested lack of eyewitnesses, a lack of direct archaeological evidence, the failure of ancient works, like those of Philo for example, to mention Jesus, and similarities early Christianity shares with then-contemporary religion and mythology.[60]

More recently, arguments for non-historicity have been discussed by Guy Fau, Prosper Alfaric, W. B. Smith, John Allegro, George Albert Wells,[61] Earl Doherty (The Jesus Puzzle, 1999), Timothy Freke and Peter Gandy (The Jesus Mysteries) and Robert M. Price and the idea has been popularized in the early 21st century by some of the writers like Richard Dawkins and Christopher Hitchens, representing the New Atheism movement."

>>2555753
lol that wasn't even fuckin me man

that was, potentially, trollage from another dimension

" * There is no mention of a miracle-working Jesus in secular sources.
* The Pauline epistles, earlier than the gospels, do not provide evidence of a recent historical Jesus.
* The story of Jesus shows strong parallels to Middle Eastern religions about dying and rising gods, symbolizing the rebirth of the individual as a rite of passage. He writes that Christian apologists have tried to minimize these parallels.[15]
"

>>2555772
rotfl and the comeback! Boosh

>>2555753

ITS YOUR TURN FAGGOT

INB4 THE BIBLE SAYS SO

>>2555791
No its FOR THE BIBLE TELLS ME SO!!!

also gnommit

>>2555791
I don't accept your proof. Your "proof" of non-existence is kind of flimsy, I am sure you can admit it yourself.

I don't need to prove Jesus. "Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence." - as I am sure you have learned in logic classes in high school.

>>2555809

wow, is this what actuall intellectualists christians are like, interpreting the data to be whatever you can imagine. Wow, take note, scientist. If you throw out what they say you are as closedminded as them.

>>2555809

lets look at the evidence.
the only records that talk about him were written no sooner than 40 years after his "death"

there are no references to jesus in non-christian texts of the time

we know nothing about his life

hmmm, guys, this jesus guy sounds totally legit. He can walk on water and turn water into wine. I'm going to believe because he says im going to burn if I don't

(TROLOLOLOLOLOL ^ 999999) +1

wrongness is sinful lol

>>2555826

>intellectualists christians

HAHAHAHA

as soon as someone tell's me they've fallen for the scam known as christianity, I have to label them as a dumbass.

>>2555845
LOL and that's what they think about you!

oh wait but all that matters is what you think.

>>2555809

That's actually not a good heuristic to use. Absence of evidence is the ONLY POSSIBLE evidence of absence.

Now, this is one of the major problems of induction - you can search forever, find no evidence and still not rule out the possibility of x existing.

However - this applies to objects such as celestial teapots, that have no good reason to be there.

So what we do is use the falsifiability criterion. To argue for a retreating god who hides from our search is to make an unfalsifiable statement. It can be proven right, but as the existence of god is not immediately apparent this is not a useful way to do things.

Its opposite, that is, there is no god, IS a falsifiable statement. It can be proven wrong at any time. In statistics this is what we would call a null hypothesis. You assume that this statement is true until evidence against it is found, because unlike its inverse, evidence SHOULD be found if a god exists.

TL:DR: russell's teapot.

>>2555850

I don't blame them, most of the people who are christians aren't smarter than the sand niggers who fell for it 2000 years ago.

>>2555851
no one in this thread has a sense of humor

if you don't think it's funny that other people believe in jesus, what do you do? you get all angry and smug.

pic related, what kind of sock puppet are you?

>>2555851
This is scientific method. Scientific method is one possible way to do science. It is one possible, but I would argue, not very good method for making life choices.

Why would I live my life according to the scientific method? I have a gut feeling it is much better to live life differently and trying to do things strictly to the scientific method is not very useful.

>>2555876

RAGE TIME

HERE'S WHY I GET ANGRY AT CHRISTIANS

1) CHURCH INFLUENCES HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE
2) CHURCH SAYS STEM CELL RESEARCH BAD
3) STEM CELL RESEARCH IS FUCKING AWESOME
4) GOAL IS TO DECONVERT CHRISTIANS SO THAT STEM CELL RESEARCH CAN HAPPEN.

>>2555851

Perhaps I should state it more clearly.

Take hypothetical entity x. x is part of the set of concievable entities, C, which is infinite, because no matter what you attribute to it, you can always add more features.

Now, what we want to find is whether x is a part of the set of existing entities, E. E, as far as we can tell, is finite given conservation of energy.

Now, say we have no evidence of the existence of x. Agnostics here find a fence to sit on, a mean to regress to, and claim that it is forever undecided.

However, given that C overlaps with E, there must be a probability for a random member of C also being part of E. However, since C is infinite, and E is finite, the ratio of their size is infinitesimal, as close to zero as makes no odds.

Thus we can say that gods, unicorns, millenium falcons, stargates, tesseracts and fairies, without empirical evidence to the contrary, have an average chance of existing that is almost none.

I just got done laughing so hard, i began to cry
and in that moment, a tear of sorrow fell from my eye, because I was not better than them..

Just because I believe in /sci/ence, does that make me better than them?

>>2555920

stem cell research

we could have been immortal by now but a book from 2000 years ago still controls people's minds.

feelsbadman.jpg

>>2555889

I'm sorry to hear you feel that way. If you want to do without the benefits of modern science, live out in the siberian steppes with no internet, electronics, clean water or medicine, be my guest.

Don't take any children though, they don't deserve that.

>>2555726
>those little blocks you used to stack together when you were a kid and you built stuff out of them?

I WAS A GOD WITH LEGOS

>>2555898
No you are the one who should be mad at yourself if you would actually spend the time trying to deevolve christians before you tried to genetically engineer women with bigger breasts.

God will not be evil
One cannot do what one will not do.
God is not omnipotent.

>>2555959

>doesn't know what stem cells cure

>hint: ITS FUCKING PARALYSIS MAN

>>2555898
So what exactly do you know about the controversy around stem cell research. You wrote 4 ALL CAPS points and three of them were about stem cell research.

As I understand it the issue was, that destroying embryos for creating stem cell lines was deemed immoral by many. There were already several stem cell lines from already destroyed embryos. It was decided, that since these are already destroyed they can be used for federally funded research, but new embryos can not be destroyed.

After a while a new procedure was found for harvesting stem cell lines, that does not involve destroying embryos. Research with stem cell lines harvested by that new procedure can use federal funding.

Is this about right?

The end of the world should be just brutal, no jesus coming.
A massive meteor, earth sized is coming towards Earth. Religious people start praying in the churches, while scientists start thinking on a way to destroy or change the route of that meteor or whatever mean to overcome the imminent destruction. As the year passes, all countries are focused just in one thing, survive. All the economies are put aside, fuck the money, it's just a piece of paper, the greatest minds unite to build a weapon capable of change its course/destroy it, after some years the weapon is finished and the moment of truth arrives. All the nations are united as one, praying, believing. The laser (or whatever the fuck it shoots) is fired and obliterates the meteor.
Soon after that event humanity shouts 'THANK GOD' , 'MY PRAYERS WORKED' and everything go back as where they were before.
Once again, god taking credit in everything.
scientists get mad, develop a lethal virus, kill everything.

>>2555998

You forget that we have already forseen this. That is why we need to set up colonies on Mars and the Jovian moons. Just evacuate there and let the meteor smash the godfags.

Then again, I guess they'll just come with us and rename their spaceships 'arks'.

Fucking hell deities are master trolls.

>>2555998
I like the cut of your jaw, soldier
>>2555995
and late at night you can hear the embryos screaming in the test tubes

I'm going to end the world quietly, with a whisper and a broken petri dish.

>>2556033
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embryonic_stem_cell

Note the diagram indicates that embryonic stem cells are derived from a blastocyst. It's a ball of stem cells. It doesn't have any organs, tissue, a mouth, even a TAIL yet. It is physically incapable of suffering. A worm is worth more as a sentient being. An insect is definitely worth more.

In fact getting stem cells from more developed embryos is stupid, since the development uses up the stem cells.

TL;DR souls don't exist, stem cells aren't people, if you get worried about that you should probably be a vegan and against the killing of weeds.

>>2556062
>vegan
>against killing weeds

the fuck am I reading

>>2556062
The fuck is this shit, vegans are the plant kingdom's Hitler.

>>2556088

I wasn't saying that vegans support plant rights, I was implying that plants are more sentient than blastocysts, and so someone who went moralfag about stem cells should protest the consumption of plant material.

>>2555931
All I said was that proving or disproving Jesus using scientific method might not be important. How did you read it from there that I don't want internet?

>>2556113
I thought you made your point clearly. Those guys must have been trollan.

>>2556119

Your decision to use internet is a life choice. You don't want to make life choices based on science, instead relying on religion, because of a) childhood indoctrination or b) you're greedy for immortality.

Appealing to adverse consequences is not a substitute for evidence, and you should know this.

If we didn't have the church telling people that stem cell research Is bad, we wouldn't have terminal illnesses anymore.

Christianity is literally killing mankind and making life on earth shittier for everybody.

People hundreds of years from now are going to open their hostory books and laugh at how stupid the population is foor not researching stem cells because a man in a funny hat says that an imaginary figure told him it was bad.

>Feelsterribleman.jpg

>>2556158
Just like we do with the Dark Ages.

>>2556165

Exactly.

>>2556165

We never left the dark ages. Still living in them.

>>2556165
It's a shame WE don't get to poop in suits of armor and have servants hose out the armor for us. Also witch-burning. There's not enough of that these days. Come on kirschins, let's burn us some non-believers!

>>2556135
I am not making life choices based on religion. I wasn't indoctrinated much in childhood. I am pretty sure I'll never be immortal.

I do however think scientific method is unsuitable for making life choices. Sometimes you just go with a gut feeling.

I guess you could use scientific method in a hypothetical situation to decide if and how you should ask this one girl out or if there is more information, and evidence, that needs to be gathered first.

>>2556195
burn those who would argue in this thread instead of laugh at jesus as a character in a satirical work of fiction