/sci/ - Science & Math

By the way, this is where I lay.

>>2543911
This is where you should be you disgusting liberal pussy prick.

I don't wanna redraw it... but I'd be 3/5s to the top of the blue section

>>2543916
Where's the line?

>no authoritarian/libertarian axis
Nope.avi

>>2543919
Look at the bottom, lazy cunt.
>>2543922
>implying those won't be in the red anyway.

This looks like me.
>>2543922
I'm a libertarian too. :D

>>2543924

>>2543933
I bet you hate gays and transgenders.

I'm a liberal libertarian where the fuck do I go on this shitty graph?

> only 1 axis

NOPE.PNG

>>2543934
I bet you think libertarians aren't republicans. LMAO.

>>2543940
Try the middle closer to red, libfag.

cuz im too lazy to change my foreground color to white...prob a little lower than this but not much

How does everyone feel about trannies?

Economically I believe in regulated and subsidized privatization but socially.... I'm all the way in the blue.
Social conservatism is fucking retarded.

>implying political ideology is a bipolar construct

>>2543953
Enjoy losing money and the government owning your ass. /new/ says you suck.

socially liberal, the rest is in the middle.

>>2543944
>>2543947

>taxation=good
>freedom=foolish
>planned economy=god tier
>from each man, to the best of his ability, to each man, according to his need

>>2543957
These graphs are falsified.

>>2543939

I don't have any concern for "gays" outside of a curious fascination that I would have with any other human anomaly.

>>2543966
So you just hate trannies. I will shoot you with me guns.

libertarian reporting

>>2543976
Where's your line?

>>2543963
Say wha? I took a test, answered questions, and got a graph that matches what I believe... how is that falsified?

>>2543978
top of the pic asshat

>>2543979
>he takes online tests.
>he takes them seriously.

laughinggirls.gif

>>2543982
Then you're not a libertarian, because libertarianism is a branch off of republicanism.

>>2543983
Don't care if it comes with or without a test. Plot matches my views.

>>2543978
OP should have asked it to be a color other than white
like green, for example

Eat a dick, OP.

>>2543962

I don't think you understand what a conservative is.

>>2543986
Um... no. Learn you some politics.

>>2543987
Then it shows that you are weak and know nothing of politics.

>>2543993
You are a stupid dumbass.

>>2543986
troll
0/10
etc

>>2543994
[citation needed]

>>2543996
Explain why the entire party houses former republicans, smart bottom.

>>2543997
You can't believe what you can't understand.

>>2543999
maybe they realized they were being retarded and decided to go in the opposite direction like a normal logical person?

>>2543993
Not what /new/ says, faggot.

>>2544001
1/10

I give you a 1 because I actually am replying

>>2544004
>implying liberalism in itself isn't retarded.
>implying all republicans are the same.

Double nigger detected.

>>2543906
>ALL THIRD PARITIES STILL LAY ON THE LIBERAL/CONSERVATIVE SPECTRUM.
NO THEY DON'T YOU RETARD.

WITH CRUISE CONTROL, YOU STILL NEED TO STEER.

Having said that, leaning libertarian, with some US founding father constitutionalist, little more socialist on economics side, near absolute freedom of speech - even if people get offended, pissed off, made so sad that they commit suicide, and so on. And religion can go fuck off, stay out of the government, and not enjoy government subsidies.

>>2544006
>he didn't get the reference that guy made.

Faggot.

The sad thing is americafags actually believe this graph is the full political spectrum...

>>2544005
>implying /new/ knows anything
>implying /new/ isn't /stormfront/

It's dead for a reason

>>2544014
>implying Europe matters.
Cry more.
>>2544009
>Scientist
This explains why you know jack shit about politics.

ITT /new/ reports in

I'm /sci/, I'm liberal, I'm on a computer that won't download your probably trojan-infested template.

>>2544016
It's dead because moot wants to sell this website to Jews.

>>2544018
?
Got a point in there somewhere?

>>2544019
trojans can piggyback on .png files? That's new to me.

>>2543992

I don't think you understand what conservatism is, either.

>>2544016
>implying /new/'s not still alive on 4chon.
>>2544022
Don't rub your nose where it doesn't belong.
>>2544021
Fuck yourself.

>>2544018
>>implying Europe matters.
>Cry more.

All has become clear.

>>2544023
not sure, but this machine won't save it.

>>2544024
I don't think either of you realize that your pedantic argument over the definition of the word "conservative" is both worthless and hopeless - hopeless because it means too many different things to too many people.

I'm lazy but basically redish.


I support a republican model with a strong deceleration of fundamental liberties, but that allows the voting population easy referendum access for none constitutional matters . (note the use of the term in this context before you comment kiddies) socially free societies with non centralized distribution of political power and very right wing economic models on all sectors except finance.

Also I believe the voting should be restricted to those whose IQ score is at least one half deviation above average and who are at least 25.

>1 axis.

>>2544033
Which is pretty much all there should be.

U mad?

i think i can safely say this for all my fellow /sci/borgs

our only political agenda is education

>>2544039
Education isn't a political party, artard.

>>2544037
I see a /b/tard has discovered there are other boards on the board bar besides /b/.

Liberal

>>2544042
Sorta is.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meritocracy

>>2544042
>republicans plan to cut educational spending
under no circumstances should this ever happen... ever

since nobody can agree on what the fucking terms mean, you guys can decide for me what I am
I:
Want maximum freedom
Want abortion to be legal (its a freedom of choice)
Want (all) drugs to be legal (its a freedom of choice)
Want higher taxes (for the wealthy, at the very least)
Want capital punishment to be illegal

>>2544050
No, those are ideologies.

I don't care much for politics though. The only thing I care even remotely about is gay rights, but even then I don't care enough to attempt to change anything or influence anybody. I couldn't give two shits about anything fiscal.

>>2544044
Or a /new/fag who came from /new/II.

>>2544032
How do you propose to test peoples' IQ fairly?

>>2544052

It depends on were the spending is going.


There comes a point when spending more money on education doesn't produce shit. Billions have been spent trying to make niggers preform as well as whites and it has gotten no where.

Personally I wouldn't cut education spending I'd cut students.


Free sterilization and 10,000 checks to all those who can't or won't complete high school.

A person's political alignment can not be shown in one dimension, and I have serious reservations about plots that give two dimensions.

>>2544052
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/sep/27/david-axelrod/david-axelrod-says-gop-pled
ge-would-cut-education-/

>>2544069
No such thing as a fair test/measure

Also, too many people conflate IQ with intelligence

>>2544073
Please go back to /new/ and take your unsubstantiated raving bigot claims and go elsewhere.

>>2544015
THE LINE MUST BE DRAWN HERE!

>>2544075
>and I have serious reservations about plots that give two dimensions.
you're right, we need a political alignment CUBE
fund it

>>2544056
I agree with what you wrote except for the "all" part of legalizing drugs.

>>2544069

Memory, Mathematics, abstract problem solving, and pattern recognition.

Like a normal IQ test minus the visual spatial half and the general knowledge portion.

That'll be fair enough.

>>2544080
Nigger detected.

>mfw the real version of this shit

I would never think of myself as conservative, but there you go.

>>2544084
that would be awesome

>>2544078

Sure in the same way people conflate ones one rep max in weight lifting with strength.

To many people conflate education with intelligence.

>>2544037
Nah, just you're wrong. Even just two dimensions is far more accurate.
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

>>2544097
This graph is incredibly unrealistic.

Stop crying about third parties not mattering, and deal with it.

>>2544084
What axes would we use?

>>2544086
>I agree with what you wrote except for the "all" part of legalizing drugs.
you can't just legalize "some" drugs, because that's no different from what we currently have now
alcohol is legal but weed isn't?
weed is even less dangerous, doesn't make sense

>>2544110
I don't see any logic to this.

Good try though.

I look at each issue individually and make decisions about them based on reason and analysis of the whole situation, not on with whom I wish to side.

>>2544104
More that IQ measures one specific thing, and historically it did so poorly. Spacial and number puzzles != intelligent.

>>2544081

>>2544080
>>2544080

http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html


• Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

• Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

• Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.


U, mad?

>>2544111
ignore that troll

>>2544119
>historically
since you brought that up, I might as well mention that every year the average IQ increases
so they have to readjust the test to make it a little harder, so that 100 is again the average

>>2544125
>i disagree with him so it's a troll

>>2544113
No you god damn idiot, alcohol and weed are fine, but do you really think that motherfucking CRACK COCAINE should be legalized?

I don't give a fuck about freedom, laws exist for a reason. All the entitled fucks out there need to learn this.

>>2544073
first off i would like to know where you fall in this political rectum

second i honestly don't believe that overspending causes fallibility. the US defense budget is bloated and they still do a decent job controlling the earth.

We can also assume that artificial selection is not an option either due to ethical reasons. The facts are there are not enough teachers. If you were raised in amurica you know first hand how fucked the educational system is.

Why can't we live in a socialist country like Equestria?

>>2544124
Go back to your Bell Curve. Correlation != Causation

>>2544124
Congratulations for printing statistics of college acceptance rates without even attempting to control for socio-economic variables. I give your argument an F. You fail.

>>2544119

Number puzzles?


So logic and problem solving is not a measure of intelligence?


And if IQ tests don't measure intelligence then I'm not aware of any other objective measure intelligence, so how can you make the claim that historically they've done a bad job at it?

>>2544128
Cool factoid. Will use in the future.

>>2544131
>No you god damn idiot, alcohol and weed are fine, but do you really think that motherfucking CRACK COCAINE should be legalized?
I do. I think that they should be legalized. I think there ought to be a list of the "too dangerous" drugs, and if you take them you don't get free government health care or some such, just like I think if you drive without a helmet - which should be legal - then you also wouldn't get government health care.

>Liberal = Progressive
>Conservative = Authoritarian

Your American aren't you OP?

>>2544077
personally education spending should be increased every term. if you disagree than you are retarded

>>2544149
actually, in the US, that's about right... there is a high correlation between conservativism and authoritarianism (hence the term Right-Wing Authoritarianism)

>>2544131
>No you god damn idiot, alcohol and weed are fine, but do you really think that motherfucking CRACK COCAINE should be legalized?
yes.
the fact that is illegal doesn't stop anyone who wants to use it from using it
however if you make it legal, at least you will prevent people from funding terrorism and gang activity and such, because the money will instead be spent buying the crack at a store

>>2544143
There's more to intelligence than logical thinking and problem solving. There's also the factor of skill at test-taking, but if you didn't think of that, did you?

>>2544146
Legalizing those sorts of things doesn't just put the user at harm. It puts the general population at harm. If you legalize, then tons and tons of people will use it, turning the country into an absolute shithole.

>>2544081
If the graph doesn't have its axis labeled properly, I'll put the line in the general area I think it should go. I probably should have drawn it thicker.

>>2544146
I'm liking this.

>>2544163
>Legalizing those sorts of things doesn't just put the user at harm. It puts the general population at harm. If you legalize, then tons and tons of people will use it, turning the country into an absolute shithole.
If you even have anything resembling citations, I would love that. Aren't there some countries in Europe, like Sweden or Switzerland or something, where most of this shit is legal, and there country isn't like you describe.

>>2544131
Anotherfag here. I can't remember where, but somewhere they give heroin away to addicts for three years so they don't have to commit crime. After that, they move them on to methadone.

>>2544140

Correlation is necessary for causation.

This establishes that being black regardless of socio-economic status is correlated with low academic performance. Thus demonstrating that the causal relationship is possible.

>>2544149
American politics is the only correct system, cry more yurocum.

>>2544171
>there country
>there
Man I'm failing today on typing.

>>2544124
Congratulations! You found something you can wave around to justify hating people based on their skin color. /sci/ is proud to have fine posters like you.

>>2544163
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_x4LgBJB7Q

>>2544128

Wow, no

A) IQ has increase on AVERAGE because better nutrition has increased thus reducing those who have poor neurological development due to malnutrition.

B) They have not had to "make IQ tests harder" as IQ is always based on the AVERAGE of 100.

>>2544178
>We have ONE PERSON who can completely override the decisions of an ENTIRE ELECTED BODY.

Yeah, great Leaders of the Free World you are.

>>2544178
Whatever. Enjoy your binary partisan system and illusion of democracy.

>>2544146
In that case, how do you propose drug rehabilitation programs should be funded?

>>2544199
Enjoy not mattering to the rest of the world when I shoot you with my gun.

>>2544205
Through public money? It's my educated guess that it would be a hell of a lot cheaper to have drug rehab programs, and public education about the dangers of these drugs, than it would to continue this silly war on drugs.

That is of course ignoring the freedom aspect, but even from a simple money and victim harm analysis, the war of drugs is stupid.

>>2544133

First of all cutting the military budget, while good doesn't mean that we should over inflate the educational budget.

Second of all, ethics aside, more teachers doesn't work either, if you watch the Documentary about America's educational system you find that on average blacks schools are

A) No more crowded on average than white schools

and

B) that black schools with low student to teacher ratio still under preform as much as their counter parts in more crowded schools.

>>2543906

ITT: idiots who think everyone is either a libtard or conservafag.

I mean, modern conservatives embrace liberalism with their hatred of equality and support of rampant capitalism.

>>2544186

yes because people hate people because of skin color....

Also nice implication that racism exists and then seeks justification rather than experience and knowledge about the world creating racism in individuals.

>>2544207
Because shootin' folks who think differently is why America's founding fathers wrote the Second Amendment.

That and shootin' the person who gets more votes in a democratic election if you voted for the other candidate.

>>2544207
Sure. I'm waiting.

>>2544220
>>2544207
What the fuck are you two even on about? Shut the fuck up and get off science.

>>2544220
>That and shootin' the person who gets more votes in a democratic election if you voted for the other candidate.
yep pretty much
we've had a ton of assassinated presidents, comparatively speaking

>>2544163

I didn't think of that because it's idiotic.

Tell me what constitutes intelligence if not logic and problem solving?

The only two other factors I can think of are pattern recognition and memory.

Tell aside from these four what constitutes intelligence?

Let me guess, it can be measured because something measurable might make some groups come out ahead and other groups no so much.

>>2544209
I definitely think the war on drugs is a gigantic waste of money. I still don't want to see drug-pushers intimidating people into taking drugs or getting them addicted.

>>2544241
>I definitely think the war on drugs is a gigantic waste of money. I still don't want to see drug-pushers intimidating people into taking drugs or getting them addicted.
And your third option is what?

>>2544173
There are dozens of spurious and mediating variables. Race alone has little to no impact on intelligence.

>>2544236
Other areas someone can be intelligent in: music, art, social skills, mechanics...

By intelligence, I mean something that is a talent and does not increase or decrease much with practice.

>>2544267
>music, art, social skills, mechanics
>By intelligence, I mean something that is a talent and does not increase or decrease much with practice.
way to directly contradict yourself
all of those things become VASTLY better with practice

>>2544241
This happens every single day in doctor's offices and on TV when you see ads for pills you don't need. I've never seen commercials urging me to try crack, and I've never had anyone push it on me, but people have tried to sell me anti-depressants.

Besides, complete legalization means pushers don't have to push. Any potential clients will seek them out since it's no longer so shifty.

>>2544257
People don't go for back street dealers to buy peanut butter cut with all sorts of things, they go to a store.
The market for illegal peanut butter sales is completely non-existent.

>>2544284
bitches don't know 'bout my premium peanut butter made with real peanuts straight from Cuba cut with only the finest ingredients connections

>>2544284
So, how do you not have a war on drugs, but you outlaw pushing drugs? I'm confused here.

>>2544305
you make the drugs legal
durr?

>>2544308
And this is different than my position how? It sounded like you wanted some third option. Nevermind.

>>2544267


> Race alone has little to no impact on intelligence.

Proof?


>Other areas someone can be intelligent in: music, art, social skills, mechanics...

Skills != intelligence

Ones memory or problem solving ability can help them become skillful Artists, Musicians, Socialites ect but being artistic, musically inclined(which is actually linked with intelligence if you mean actual ability to compose musical scores) or social is not transferable to other areas.

You're confusing skill and talent with intelligence.
By intelligence, I mean something that is a talent and does not increase or decrease much with practice.

>>2544315
>looksirtrolls.exe

I don't mind playing along, and it is indeed true that all parties can be placed on a liberal / conservative line. It's just *an extremely non-indicative measure.* For instance, I'm about as conservative as Glenn Beck, whom I hate.

>>2544329
>I'm about as conservative as Glenn Beck
and you don't see any problem with this whatsoever?

>>2544340

Why would he?

Political affiliations are arbitrary.

>>2544344
well I assume he hates Glenn Beck because of his political ideologies because honestly, what else do you know Glenn Beck for?

>>2544340
No, because politically I share practically no views in common with Glenn Beck. That's the entire reason I mentioned the example. If you are suggesting it's a problem, please see "guilt by association."

>>2544350
>No, because politically I share practically no views in common with Glenn Beck.
then it's impossible that you're as conservative as he is
obviously it's more nuanced than that, but you'd still be on the other side of the spectrum here

But... but...

I'm Anarcho-Conservative.

What am I supposed to do? Turn this spectrum into a mobius loop?

>>2544356
I really don't share much of anything in common with him. Of course, this could be exaggerated by the fact that he speaks most often about issues in which I disagree with him, while hardly ever mentioning other, core conservative issues where I would (theoretically) agree.

I've attached my result from http://www.gotoquiz.com/politics/political-spectrum-quiz.html

>>2544349

>What else do you know Glenn beck for

Lies, inconsistencies, meaningless rhetoric, profit ect ect

I'm fairly conservative and I can't stand him.

>>2544373
>>2544387
Cool graph!

Can you name some issues on which you and Beck share common ground?

I support animal rights.

>>2544442
Well, I said I disagree with most things that come out of his mouth, and I'm not that familiar with the less talked-about nuances of his politics. I can only speculate. Perhaps taxation? Gun ownership? Affirmative action? Eminent domain? Lots of economic issues that get little mention (discretionary power of the Fed, deposit insurance, cartelization and quasi-government status of ratings agencies, fiat currency)?