/sci/ - Science & Math

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>mfw 99% of the board are athiest, there is no such thing as an intelligent religious person, and I reported you for rule violation

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>Atheism
>Not a religion

Pick one

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>>2523574
>there is no such thing as an intelligent religious person

0/10

In the modern world and historically you would be hard-pressed to defend that statement.

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pure bodily fluids; godless-atheist-commie-hating american here.

>intelligent religious people
>intelligent
>religious
>intelligent
>religious
>intelligent
>religious
>intelligent
>religious
>intelligent
>religious

two opposites in one person?

if you could argue with atheists, there wouldn't be atheists

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>>2523577
and not playing hockey is a sport

>>2523595
>>2523580
Georg Cantor founder of Set theory was a Christian; there is your counter example. So your statement is flawed.

Pascal & Newton were Christians, Godel was religious and so was Alanzo Church.

I don't know what you count as intelligent but I'm Christian and spend a great deal of time here.

Werhner Von Braun was a Christian

Deist here

Planning on going into aerospace engineering

But deism doesn't count as a religion so make of that what you will

>>2523620
It's a set of core beliefs about the nature of the universe, it's as much a religion as any.

You don't like that so you define yourselves away from it because anything to do with religion makes you sick because you had a bad experience as a child.

>>2523620
>Atheism: The belief there are no gods
>Implying they don't gather in groups to strengthen their beliefs
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=atheist+meetup
>Implying they aren't ruled by pope Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawkins on his holy crusade to rid the world of all other religions

OP is implying that all non-atheists are religious

FALSE DICHOTOMY

>>2523635
>implying you're intelligent

>>2523650
Pseudo intellectual spotted

Euler the god of mathematics was religious as debated the atheists of his time

You conjecture that religious people are stupid is ill founded and implies hatred, bias, and a arrogant feeling of superiority

This man was more intelligent than anyone on this board, and he was a Christian. So to say religious people aren't intelligent is biased and flawed.

>>2523656
>implying im not

>>2523646
If you qualify atheism as a religion, then yes, I would consider myself an intelligent (I have a B.Sc and working om my M.Sc atm) religious person. I do however disagree with the notion that atheism is the belief there is no god. I do not believe there is no god, but I do not actively believe there is a god. There's a difference.

>>2523646
Even better in order to be correct they must believe that EVERY SINGLE PERSON who has ever seen an angel, witnessed miracles, or spoken with God is a liar and that takes FAITH.

Intelligence precludes self deception. Intelligent people admit what they don't know and don't rationalize beliefs because they WANT them to be real. Therefore intelligence is not compatible with religious belief.

>>309000000
Jesus is your salvation.

>>2523681
Another retard spotted. Refer to:
>>2523623
>>2523665
>>2523661
I highly doubt you are more intelligent than Pascal, Newton, Cantor, Euler or Von Braun all of whom believed in God.

>>2523681
nope.

plenty of intelligent people are completely insane

john nash for example

>>2523670
All reputable dictionaries define atheism as the active belief there are no gods

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQev3UoGp2M

>>2523730
Assuming what you are saying is true (which is a big assumption), how would you qualify my belief system?

>>2523730
lol. appeal to dictionaries. 15yr old detected

>intelligent
>religious
Pick one

definition of spiritual: you believe there is a lot more to reality than the sum of present day observations and science

if you don't believe this then you're not a scientist, maybe an engineer or mathematician, but definitely not a scientist

if you're religious then you're definitely not intelligent, and this is 100% true for mainstream religions

>>2523753
Werhner Von Braun
>Christian
>Intelligent
Your system is flawed

>>2523681

"nothing is so easy as deceiving oneself"

many mythologies out there, scientific, religious, and otherwise

>>2523767
Werhner Von Braun was an avid Christian, so he isn't intelligent?

more religious scientists:

Oersted
Swedenbourg

>>2523777

mfw trip 7s

>>2523623
Newton and pascal lived in a time when science could still be applied to religion without religion falling apart.
It was perfectly reasonable for them to be religious.
(pascal had some really flawed arguments for religion though, and only believed in Christianity as because of miscalculated mercenary bet)

von Braun
Finite man cannot begin to comprehend an omnipresent, omniscient, omnipotent, and infinite God . . . I find it best to accept God through faith, as an intelligent will, perfect in goodness and wisdom, revealing Himself through His creation . . ."

>>2523744
>>2523744
>>2523744
It's sad that my dubs go ignored. And by dubs I mean my question, actually. I was hoping the troll would actually provide an answer ;_;

>>2523791
Von Braun and Godel were alive in the 70's your argument fails

>>2523774
>he did science
>therefor intelligent
your system is flawed

First being technically proficient in an area of expertise doesn't equal being "intelligent". Second I doubt the people the fundies are listing as examples were really that religious...likely they were like most people meaning raised with something and identify with it even though they really don't "believe it" per se.

>>2523800
>>2523800
>>2523798
von Braun was the world expert in rock design. Also von Braun is quoted talking about his belief in God. He defected from Nazi Germany to US because the US was a "Christian nation"

>>2523797
I wasn't talking about Von Braun or Gödel.
If you pay close attention to my post, you'll notice that i was talking about Newton and Pascal.

>>2523791
>Implying that in out time, science cannot be applied to religion without religion falling apart.

>>2523811

he was captured from NAZI germany dumbass,

all that shit you are quoting is bullshit politics they made him say so the american scientists could stomach working with a nazi...deal with it

>>2523818
That is exactly what I am implying.

>>2523559
I'm actually, sincerely a Christian.
Not a Traditional Conservative (since you all seem to think those represent Christians). A Christian.

>>2523748
>lol appeal to dictionary, five year old!

only 2 year olds think dictionaries lie, I know this, and I'm 0 years old

>>2523791

plenty of scientists are religious these days, and vice versa

unless you want to have an argument with some redneck strawman; in which case leave us to converse with other reasonable adults

Ok buddy...just keep believing you are both SMART and that there is an invisible, all powerful man in the sky. I couldn't care less ;)

>>2523830
Ok, then please present to me the inconsistency of being a religious scientist.

>>2523860
The smarter you are, the better you are at self-delusion.

>>2523853

bullshit, scientists will tell regular people and occasionally other scientists "yea, i'm christian this that or the other" simply because they don't want to be stigmatized for their true beliefs or go to the trouble of explaining themselves to troglodyte rabble that won't understand anyway, and after an hour of explanation go "oh, so your christian"

>>2523860
Well at least I don't believe that I am SMART and that other people having different BELIEFS than I do make them STUPID.

>>2523880

Christian Universities.....

Check and Mate.

>>2523885

you're trying to hard....

and projecting your own extremism on others who are mostly reasonable, god-believing people

>>2523898

*too hard

>>2523892

So believing people who have stupid beliefs are being stupid is bad somehow? What a convenient little world you life in.

http://www.npr.org/blogs/13.7/2011/02/11/133545465/an-appreciation-for-all-things-shining

>>2523903

no, but arrogance and exclusive mentalism are the hallmarks of closed-mindedness; whether in science or in religion

you're guilty of what you're accusing religion of

>>2523919

So being rational is closed minded in your world? Again..how convenient.

>>2523903
No, defining stupid beliefs as those which you do not hold is stupid. That's what you're doing. Why don't you respond to this
>>2523880
if you're so clever?

>>2523926

there's more to life than rationalisation

>>2523926
The problem is that you are not being rational. Your claim (that religion is false) does not follow in any logically sound fashion from science.

>>2523559
hi, I'm a Christian astrophysics undergraduate

>>2523940

Ok I see how this is going to go. Godfags want to argue and will twist and redfine as it suits them. No thanks freaks.

And you can claim that I am running away or have no argument but the simple fact is I don't give enough of a shit about this topic to waste any more of my time. But...as usual I am sure your "beliefs" will not intersect with reality.

>>2523845
i'm minus three, and i know dictionaries condense complex ideas into short inadequate entries

Is it possible that an intelligent person thinks there might be a higher power?
yes
Is it possible that an intelligent person believes all the bullshit written by religions?
I don't think so

>>2523950
I'm an atheist retard, just a rational one, unlike you.

>>2523960
>I'm an atheist, retard, just a rational one, unlike you.
fixed

>>2523950

your first problem is to think god and science are mutually exclusive

you're making the same closed minded logical fallacy rednecks make


run then

>>2523940
perhaps not from science, but from the philosphy of science we learn that the existence of religion is not so much false, as it is a meaningless proposition.

it then follows that if we admit religion, we must admit all kinds of nonsensical clutter

>>2523953

it's a history lesson if nothing else

also, lrn2metaphor

>>2523950
I don't need to claim anything, your actions speak louder than my words ever could.

For the record, I'm an atheist maths fag who's studied physics.

>>2523960 I'm an atheist retard

>>2523968
No, from philosophy of science we learn that religion is not science. That is all.

>>2523968

it's not meaningless

in fact, it's what gives us meaning

it regulates our social actions and gives us a sense of Greater Than Ourselves

wonder, reverence, faith, etc.

science gives us ideas, observation; not enough

>>2523970
Is that why you go to church?
To listen to metaphors that could be interpreted a million ways and boring stories about Jesus?

>>2523991
Don't use the words such as "us" in this context, I'm an atheist and I have plenty meaning in my life, thank you very much.

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>>2523987
nope.jpg

>>2524028
lol wtf?
Religion is not science
Why do I have to explain this?

>>2524006

as a society

you don't live alone

also, less pissy

>>2523991
no. it's just our brain is designed to make up meaning from partial data in a quick and easy way.

religion is a side effect of that capability.

>>2524004

i don't go to church, but i do find there is more meaning to life than what we get out of reading the measurements from this or that

Christian biologist here...

>>2524043
if you attempt to speak for society.

and you get parts of that society wrong.

they are going to be pissy

>>2524047

you may be onto something

but science isn't very good at transcendence, revelation

>>2524061

our society has been and still is generally religious

like it or not, it is what it is

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>>2524100

umad

>>2524114

mormons all simultaneously realized how much they love cock and are sucking each other off as we speak

they'll be back, just give them a minute to finish up

This is the absolute worst thread I've ever had the privilege of reading.

>>2524131

you protest too much, fag

>>2524080
well, idk where you live, but i'd guess america, not because you say your society is religious, but because you typically forget that the rest of the world exists.

my country is pretty disbelieving though, thank christ

>>2524134

This, pretty much.

And all those who are spouting nonsense about the incompatibility of mathematics and religion: You're a bunch of fucking downies.

Our last true and purely intuitive Mathematician was extremely religious.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan

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>>2524157

nearly all people of the world follow religious traditions of one kind or another

inb4buddhism/taoism isn't a religion. that's why they have temples

western europe is increasingly non-religious but that is a very recent trend; the foundations are all religious

>>2524080
>>2524182
It's ok that you're religious and that your country is as well. Mine isn't. So stop saying it is. Thanks

>>2524182
history is irrelevant here, the discussion was about "society".

if you wish to exclude western europe in your discussion without telling anyone, go ahead, but it's a pretty hurr durr decision

the plurality of religion is pretty good evidence that it's hokem though

>>2524182
anyone with a quarter of a brain would realise temple is a translation of various words with various different meanings.

some schools of taoism and buddhism are categorically different than most religions, in that they have no gods. whether you want to call them religions anyway to help your sense of belonging to the biggest gang, i'll leave up to you.

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Now that we've ascertained that not all scientists are atheists lol...
does someone mind explaining what the OP's picture is about?
inb4 google it.

>Implying /sci/ isn't just a bunch of pseudo-intellectuals.

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>>2524455
looks like lie groups

>God does not play dice
I'll just leave that here