/sci/ - Science & Math

I'm actually in the process of getting a vasectomy, but doctors are fucking impossible to convince if you're under 30.

I do want to have offspring for the sake of passing on my genes because, hey, it's as close as I'll get to true immortality. But I look back on my own childhood, remember how mad my Dad could get sometimes by the stupid things I did, consider how mad my retarded 12 year old adopted can make me and conclude that I never want to see my offspring until they're 20.

You want all the attention for yourself ;(

I don't need kids to leave a positive legacy. Tesla never had kids.

high cost, little benefit.

children cost money, and they would cramp my style

>>2480293
Just lie to them about your age. They are only worried about the liability if you change your mind down the road.

This is why the human race is going to be extinct. People will grow too selfish, all they will ever want is work work work and have all the glory for themselves. That will be our last generation.

I have no desire to have children, but if my spouse wanted kids, I'd be fine with it. Really just doesn't matter to me.

I am only having children to preserve the white American race. Not having children is a disservice to society.

>>2480293
I've heard this as well. Good luck to you.
>>2480295
You say that, but look how close we are to virtual immortality via life-extension technology. I'm more worried I'll have a kid who is just mind-numbingly stupid or hell-bent on being the next great scholar of post-modern linguistics.

>>2480312
You say that like being selfish is bad. In a world of 6+ billion, having a kid is just as selfish and ego-driven.

I want Children.

Just because YOU don't, doesn't mean you can fuck up the world for your own 'fun', kill yourselves if you desire no children.

>>2480296
Not true. I'm just a humble scientist, not some feminist bitch or deluded playboy.

>>2480337
Please. . . for all of us. . . for the sake of future generations. . . Don't reproduce.

I do, but I'll never have any because I'm:
1.) Ugly.
2.) Anti-social.
3.) Genetically prone to depression and heart-disease.

Despite being Swedish and 6'4", I'm an insult to the gene pool.

>>2480339

passing high school physics does not make you a scientist.t

>>2480348
Future? what future?

There can be no better legacy then children.

Children are too much of an investment. From my position, I can contribute more to humanity by not having kids. Furthermore, my siblings probably will have kids, so if I wanted to contribute to my lineage, I could invest time in them instead. It allows for more flexibility because my investment is not obligatory at all times.

>>2480354
I'm actually a graduate student in one of the best synthetic biology departments in the country, thank you.

I don't have any desire right now.
Reasons are along these lines:
- It costs a lot to support one.
- Overpopulation.
- I don't think genes have a huge influence on intelligence (however they do have some influence), a lot of it depends on environment.
- I don't really consider it immortality like >>2480295, it's just survival of your genetic line.
However, this does not mean I won't change my mind in the future.
If we get good enough life-extension or human-like AI, I probably won't be having children. I think it would even be more productive to teach a human-like AI than a child as the former would be reusable knowledge.

I have no desire to have children currently. I'll probably want one when I'm like 30 when my life is boring and stable.

I don't want children because I don't see the appeal but I see very clearly the downsides.

>>2480350
Number two is your only real obstacle on your way to having kids.

DISREGARD THAT, I'M JUST LONELY AND IN NEED OF A FRIEND.

>>2480363
Define 'better'.

>>2480372
MAYBE my life will be stable when i'm 40, but not 30

Jury's out. Seriously, I have no clue. Like some other people, I don't think too highly of my genes (like >>2480350, I'm also depression prone)
, but that's for evolution, not me, to decide.

Anyone who makes threads trying to persuade people not to have children, or makes comments influencing others with the idea that children are nothing but trouble, and digressive due to 'over population' should automatically kill themselves. This world is for children, not adults. If over population is a problem, kill joos with gas, simple. Fucking disgusting subhuman nerds.

>>2480382
WHOOPS FORGOT MY IMAGE I'M REALLY SORRY YOU GUYS

>>2480336
It's not good nor bad, it's reality.

Wanting to have a child is absolutely normal, it's not selfish as in society selfish, it's selfish as in selfish gene. What is "artificial" is not to have kids. And I wonder why some people say homossexuality is not normal but this is... You are going against your instincts, or better yet, your instincts are twisted by our society. You know that children cost money, they take time and care, they anchor people to some point. But it's not like taking care of the youngs stopped any animal before from going on.

But I'm mostly kidding. 90% of people here is under 25 and too immature to even think about being a dad. I'm talking mental age here.

>>2480390
Surely, you mean this image

>>2480299
>Tesla
There won't be three people wo will remember anything you ever did or said, five years after your death.

>>2480337
have you ever heard about overpopulation?

>>2480299

He should have had kids. Instead he fell in love with a pigeon.

I want kids, but I don't know if I'll ever have them. I have some legitimately fucked up genes. If you can have kids, and support them, but choose not to, I feel like you're wasting potential.

>>2480400
You would know.

THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

>THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

>THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

>THE WORLD WAS MADE FOR THE CHILDREN, NOT THE ADULTS. IF OVER POPULATION IS THE PROBLEM, KILL JOOS WITH GAS.

>>2480422
I like children. But you make me want to never have any.

>>2480422

>>2480429
IF THAT'S THE EFFECT MY WISE WORDS GIVE YOU, THEN I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO HAVE CHILDREN EITHER.

Why would I bring a child into this forsaken world? I believe my children will get my bad genes to go along with it. That said there is also maintaining a possible marriage, get a house, get a big car, drive to soccer practise, pickup at school, parent meeting at school, birthdays, make dinner, bla bla... I am already exhausted.

No thanks, never will I have children and I think that is for the best for both parties.

>>2480278
I want a little girl. Don't know if I'll have one, but it would be a happy experience for me.

>>2480412
>legitimately fucked up genes
Still not an excuse. Gene therapy isn't far off. What might seem fucked up to you could be fixable in a few decades.

Lacking confidence and money to sustain children are the only real barriers to procreation.

Anyway, I hate kids, but that's because I'm a 21-year old who possesses little wisdom.

because i don't have reasons to live
the only thing that's keeping me alive is the instinct for self preservation
i've lived 25 years and i didn't find any reason to be here
why would i want to have a kid that will have to face all the problems that i had and if it's something like me it would come to my conclusion that there is no real reason to be here and you have to live just to fulfill the needs of my basic instincts

i live because i am here, if it is a game why not play along but why would i want to drag others into this shitty game

i still think it would be better if i was never born at all

>>2480443

>>2480448
>>2480446
FUCKING TERRIBLE PARENTS. THAT'S SOMETHING THEY DON'T TEACH YOU IN EDUCATION. HOW TO FUCKING BRING UP YOUR CHILDREN CORRECTLY, CAUSE THEY LIKE TO THINK THEY CAN DO IT FOR US.

EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

>EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

>EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

>>2480467

>>2480460
Experience is a wonderful thing. If you don't think stimulus is preferable to a lack of stimulus or a structure for perceiving it, then perhaps you need to get on some sort of antidepressant medication. The time we have alive is precious.

YOU DON'T HAVE CHILDREN SO "YOU CAN FEEL HAPPY", YOU DO IT SO THEY CAN!

YOU FUCKING DISGUSTING SUBHUMANS

>>2480444
getting tripple makes me certain

>>2480467
>EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILL OUR SPECIES.

Translation: I failed at school, the system is at fault (because it's impossible that I'm some sort of moron).

>>2480476
reciprocation, bitch

>>2480485

OUR CHILDREN ARE FORCED TO GO TO SCHOOL, TO 'LIVE', AND THE EDUCATORS BRING UP OUR CHILDREN, CONDITIONING THEM, SOMETHING THAT THE PARENTS ARE MEANT TO DO. INSTEAD, WE PROVIDE THE FOOD, DRINK AND HOME FOR THEM, BUT THEY DON'T LEARN FROM US, THEY SIPHON OUR MONEY, AND THAT'S WHERE THE "I DON'T WANT CHILDREN" COMES FROM.

EVIL EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILLING OUR SPECIES.
>EVIL EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILLING OUR SPECIES.
EVIL EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILLING OUR SPECIES.
>EVIL EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILLING OUR SPECIES.
EVIL EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILLING OUR SPECIES.
>EVIL EDUCATORS ARE STEALING OUR CHILDREN AND KILLING OUR SPECIES.

Children are parasites. People dispose of their desires and personalities when they have children and become a life-support machine for the offspring. No thanks.

If i do have the choice. I do want two kids, but no more

>>2480506
KILL THIS FAGGOT, AND ANYONE WHO THINKS THE SAME.

>>2480505
I guess an advantage of home schooling is that it would have meant people didn't have to go to school with you

>>2480514

>>2480516
THAT'S BRILLIANT, NOW KILL YOURSELF, WE DON'T WANT YOU ON THIS PLANET.

GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
>GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
>GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
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GOD HATES EDUCATORS
>GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS
GOD HATES EDUCATORS

There are over six billion people on the world. We need less, not more. Adopting a child is a generous thing to do but having a baby just because you want one for yourself is rather selfish and irresponsible in a larger context. Also, I'm quite fine on my own and don't want the responsibility.

>>2480529
Hey! You're finally using a trip! :D

>>2480534
TOO MANY PEOPLE IN THE WORLD? KILL YOURSELF.

>>2480529
>WE
Despite the large variety of voices in your head, you're just one person

Despite his usual lack of elaboration on his arguments, Aether has a good point in this thread. Stupidly put, many parents are retarded and do a piss-poor job of rasing their kids, whether they blow up because they missed some dumb assignment in school, or that they ignore the kid because they don't follow their ideals, or just simply absorb themselves in their own vanity and career because they're scared to interact.
Hell, I want a child, but only when I know I can really provide for him/her. Many parents treat their kid like scrap paper or just another asset, but I want to treat mine like an investment in something greater than me.

>aether

>>2480553
>>2480551
>>2480543
THESE PEOPLE --->PROMOTE<---
1. NOT HAVING CHILDREN
2. DESTROYING THE PLANET
3. IGNORING SIN
4. HOMOSEXUALITY
5. HATRED
6. WARS FOR PROFIT
AND MORE

>>2480553
>>2480551
>>2480543
THESE PEOPLE --->PROMOTE<---
1. NOT HAVING CHILDREN
2. DESTROYING THE PLANET
3. IGNORING SIN
4. HOMOSEXUALITY
5. HATRED
6. WARS FOR PROFIT
AND MORE

>>2480553
>>2480551
>>2480543
THESE PEOPLE --->PROMOTE<---
1. NOT HAVING CHILDREN
2. DESTROYING THE PLANET
3. IGNORING SIN
4. HOMOSEXUALITY
5. HATRED
6. WARS FOR PROFIT
AND MORE

>>2480553
>>2480551
>>2480543
THESE PEOPLE --->PROMOTE<---
1. NOT HAVING CHILDREN
2. DESTROYING THE PLANET
3. IGNORING SIN
4. HOMOSEXUALITY
5. HATRED
6. WARS FOR PROFIT
AND MORE

>>2480553
He gave it the file name temporary, because he's sure that with time, those urges will go away

>>2480560
But I don't and have never said that :L
I don't think you read my post

>>2480560
But >>2480551 actually agre...
Owait, it's a just another trollpost from aether.

CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
>CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
>CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
>CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
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CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
>CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.

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>>2480575

>>2480560
Whats wrong with for-profit war? better than those lame nonprofit wars, unicef is a bunch of pussies

I CANT BELIEVE YOU FAGGOTS COULD BE THAT FUCKING RETARDED AND EVIL.

>>2480587
For-profit war is one thing that brought and keeps the US in the shitter.

>>2480590
>I CANT BELIEVE I COULD BE THAT FUCKING RETARDED AND EVIL.

>CHILDREN COME FIRST NO MATTER WHAT.
I didn't think you were the type to be a generous lover

>>2480551
Why not become that greater thing yourself? Why do you want to pass that burden to your children and then those children will do the same and so on. I think someone who could live thousands of years and learn all that they could is vastly superior a generational system where each intelligent organism only lives a short limited time where they are limited in the amount that they can learn.

Of course, I'm not saying that alternative is possible now, but it could very well be in some 30-50 years. I'd rather a human would live a very very long time doing the best he can for himself and humanity instead of just living to prolong their genetic line.

>>2480293
>impossible to convince if you're under 30.

Next time when he turns you down, ask for tips on killing fetuses in case your girlfriend gets pregnant.

>>2480575
Just saying it a bunch doesn't automatically make it true. Let's try an experiment:
I'm surrounded by naked women
I'm surrounded by naked women
I'm surrounded by naked women
I'm surrounded by naked women
I'm surrounded by naked women

...Hmm...Didn't work.

>>2480475
>The time we have alive is precious.
why?
why do you think experiencing the world makes it worth living?
what's so good about it?

>>2480312
>This is why the human race is going to be extinct. People will grow too selfish

People with no kids are balanced out by people with large families (more than two kids who survive).

I have an underlying urge to have children.

If you dont want children its the same as being gay in one sense, you are killing off your genes.

this >>2480460

>>2480614
just try to get 1 first, baby steps

I want to have kids so I can raise them right. Although by "have" I mean adopt, because the population is fucked enough as it is.

Also, if the kid turns out to be a freak at least my genes aren't to blame.

>>2480337
>Just because YOU don't, doesn't mean you can fuck up the world for your own 'fun', kill yourselves if you desire no children.

What does not wanting kids have to do with fucking up the world?

>>2480312
The extinction of the human race is not necessarily a bad thing. If everyone is happy without kids, and we all die happy, then there isn't really a problem. What we "should" do is a totally subjective idea

you're supposed to give your life for your children, not moan about how they make your life harder...

i fucking hate you people

>>2480644
Name me the reasons you don't want children.

>>2480650
>i fucking hate myself

>>2480363
>There can be no better legacy then children.

We remember Newton, Einstein, and so many other great figures from history just because of the kids they had.

>>2480650
You're not "supposed" to do anything. If you think every human has an innate "duty" to reproduce, I dare you to prove it. And don't try to say evolution, because evolution doesn't have a "goal." Organisms that can reproduce do so, and that's the end of it. "Should" is a human invention.

>>2480663
Because Einstein appeared one day as a fully grown adult without going through childhood. KILL YOUR SELF

Do what my gf did, abortion, like gods eraser

>>2480672
>not supposed to do anything
YES.
YOU.
ARE.

>>2480607
You're fucking dumb. No matter how great I might be, I could always be better and improve myself. Often in life though, one loses their ability to improve and so they stagnate and crumble apart. That's what happens to older people, and I've seen in it multiple fimailies including mine. But having a child is a rebirth of hope, because they can bounce of your springboard and go further than you ever could.
And it's not a burden, because I'm not forcing them to do anything. I would show my children what I know, and I would try and inspire them to achieve that which I never could or that which could be possible.
And are you implying that I should strive to make myself live forever? You really should just kill yourself, because you're preaching some athiest sci-fi fanboy bullshit about the future and you will be butthurt when you find out you can't do fuck as an aging relic but refuse to give yourself up for a child.

>>2480675
>KILL ME

>>2480388
>Anyone who makes threads trying to persuade people not to have children, or makes comments influencing others with the idea that children are nothing but trouble, and digressive due to 'over population' should automatically kill themselves.

Conclusion does not follow from the premises.

I'm a sickly person who very probably inherited a couple mental instabilites from his mother. Reproduction would be irresponsible and make my child's life hell. Plus I'm a lazy egotist who's unable to raise a child properly. No kids for me.

>>2480647
I think the continuation of conscious existence should be a priority, however at the current rates of population growth, I think we have all that covered, it could even be detrimental at this rate as it may make the overall global happyness lesser.

>>2480678
Then prove it. If you're making the claim, back it up. Stating something multiple times does not constitute proof. Do you live in the Bible Belt or something?

>>2480685
It's aether. To expect it to make any sense at all would be just plain silly.

>>2480689
YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
YOU COME WITH THE PACKAGE.
YOU CONTRIBUTE TO OUR FUTURE AS MUCH AS THE NEXT PERSON.
CHILDREN.
ARE.
THE.
FUTURE.

>>2480647
I never said it was bad or good.

It's funny, I just mentioned the human race is going to die and people act like I was giving out a moral judgement or something.

>>2480694
>I'M A RETARD TYPING IN ALLCAPS
>KILL ME

>>2480694
Again, you've just stated your opinion without proof. Writing in CAPS doesn't make it true, either.

You know, for a board of supposedly smart people, you sure are oblivious to obvious troll being obvious

>>2480630
>you are killing off your genes

What's wrong with that? Why should I put my genes before my happiness or anything else I choose to focus on more than my genes?

>>2480707
Please don't include Nagasomething in any statistics about /sci/.

>>2480679
Hi aether.

>>2480712
Better yet, what if an individual, after reflecting upon his life, concludes that his genes are not really worth passing on, whether it be because they are too mediocre or too detrimental?

>>2480707
That's because it's filled with highschool kids who try to glorify their knowledge. Although you can learn some interesting things here, that's all /sci/ is and ever will be.

>>2480706
IT'S FACT. What do you contribute to society? So we have advanced technology for the future, and a habitat that is stable? Who is exactly living in this environment/reality that we've built?

Naw bro

I want at least two kids, max of three

>>2480721
I'm just used to /tg/, where the troll gets countertrolled to the moon and back. I would really love to see that approach successfully used around here....

>>2480278

Unlike you, I have a desire to have children.

I am going to assume that everyone here is somewhat intelligent... intelligent enough to understand the concept of contraception and intelligent enough to understand restraint and self control.

I am also going to assume that everyone here does go around fucking everything that has legs. If you have to comment about this point just keep it to yourself. This isn't the main issue.

The main issue is that there are people that DON'T UNDERSTAND restrain, self control, contraception, and the cost benefits of having kids etc etc.

-These people will have many children...
-These children will learn from their surroundings, their parents and educators... or lack of.
-About 80% of these will end up growing up like their parents, into ignorance and beyond.

You know what the worst part is... they get to vote... they have the same rights as you... and they may be against reason.

This oddly sounds like the plot of Idiocracy? Yes it is. Derp.

Just remember that natural selection isn't as effective as it used to be.

Thus I shall try hard to succeed, and when I have children I shall teach them how to be open minded, cognative thinking, common-sense using, understandable individuals in a world that seriously needs help in those departments.

>Please don't include Nagasomething in any statistics about /sci/.
I'm not sure you know what statistics are, tripfag

>>2480655
>Name me the reasons you don't want children.

I am in my 40's, my girlfriend in her 30's - we make a good couple because we share many values, including that neither of us wants to be a parent.. We are very happy and stable with our lives now and do not want children. We also do not want dogs, cows, etc.

Although we have no problem with others having children, or dogs, or cows if they find that lifestyle rewarding.

>>2480312

It is too bad, really.

The smart people dont take the time to have children, while the idiots breed like mad.

>>2480749
That's acceptable, if you don't feel the need to have children, but it's no reason to promote it (not saying you are, but that was what I originally targeted). Furthermore, children does not just account for 'YOUR' children, it accounts of 'OUR' (humanities) children, that means you still are obligated to serve them.

watching how fucked up kids are.. its impossible to grow healthy, smart, independent children in this environment, specially in the US.

average kids in the US are retarded beyond belief. Girls have it even harder, massive social pressure to conform to rather impossible attributes fuck their minds for life.

>>2480734
Saying "IT'S FACT" doesn't make it true either. After that you just asked questions (or put a question mark at the end of an obvious statement). To answer your questions, I have contributed a certain amount of time and effort to helping others, and everyone is living in this environment/reality that we've built.

...You still haven't proven your point. Asking random questions does not constitute a proof.

>>2480764
>implying we should be some little kid's bitch
I don't think so, you homosexual.

>you still are obligated to serve them.
I serve them with a side of cole slaw, you?

>>2480770
Says the basement neckbeard.

>>2480764
No one is obligated to do anything. If you think I'm obligated to someone else, prove it. Go find the contract I allegedly signed.

KILL YOURSELVES.

>>2480751
>The smart people dont take the time to have children, while the idiots breed like mad.

The idiots that are breeding like mad then are really the ones to complain about.

>>2480781
>KILL ME

U mad?

Because I would rather enjoy my body till I drive it into the ground than put my life on hold for nine months just to have stretch marks, a less tight vagina, and milk filled breasts getting in the way of everything. Nearly every weekend I go out and do something, be it camping on the ground, in the trees, or in the middle of a lake on a raft, mountain climbing, skydiving, drag racing, deep sea fishing, blacksmithing, or sky/snowboarding.
I don't want a little brat taking that all away from me. Broken bones, severe burns, and hospitalization are one thing, they are temporary, but a brat is permanent black mark on my near perfect record of activity.

Yeah, my opinion might change when I hit the mid thirties, but for now kids are the last thing I want.

>>2480781
Now you've just given up on arguing. When you resort to attacks like that, I assume you've realized you've lost and are just too proud to admit it.

What's the matter aether? Why did you stop using your logo?

>>2480779

>>2480786
No, he isn't, he's a troll, and clearly a successful one

I have some kind of mood "disorder" that doesn't bother me so much (lol nothing bothers me because of my blunted affect), but if there's a genetic component I don't want to have a kid knowing full well there's a chance of burdening him with this.

>>2480788

>implying you have a Vagina and Breasts

>>2480764
>Furthermore, children does not just account for 'YOUR' children, it accounts of 'OUR' (humanities) children, that means you still are obligated to serve them.

No, I am not obligated to serve them, and there is absolutely no way that you can prove it.

And, if somebody does promote to not have kids, or to think carefully before having kids, there is nothing wrong with that. There is no factual error or logical error in choosing not have kids or in promoting a childfree lifestyle. There is also no error in promoting to have kids.

>>2480799
>(lol nothing bothers me because of my blunted affect)
it's *e*ffect

>>2480798
How can he be such a successful troll when no one on this site is mad? Really, 'attention whore' is more the word for it.

>>2480790
You're asking me, to prove, my natural impulse to protect and serve children. Are you completely retarded or do you enjoy being an evil nerdy cunt?

>>2480806
no it's actually affect

umad aether?

>>2480809
Nope. Now you've misquoted me. I didn't ask you to prove that you want kids. That's obvious. I've asked you to prove that people "should" have kids. What you want to do and what you "should" do are separate.

Nice try at the straw man attempt.

>>2480809
>You're asking me, to prove, my natural impulse to protect and serve children. Are you completely retarded or do you enjoy being an evil nerdy cunt?

Your instincts are not an obligation for anyone else.

>>2480809
>Am I completely retarded or do I enjoy being an evil nerdy cunt?

>>2480801
YES YOU ARE. If you don't think so then KILL YOURSELF. This universe is united, the only reason you don't feel that way is because you were educated OUT of union, now you haven't got a clue about what's really going on. OUR children are PRIMARY PRIORITY, they come FIRST, no matter what; and if you put YOURSELF(S) above them, YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF HUMANITY, and YOU ARE AN ABOMINATION TO THE UNIVERSE.

I'm deadly serious, kill yourself you fucking parasite.

>>2480823
But that begs the question of what "should" means. I know I sound like a douche for saying that, but since your argument places a lot of stress on it, what does it mean?

>>2480821
You can bet your life savings that he is.

>>2480788
women get old very fast. where i work there are a lot of women that are my age (25) , but they look like they around 27-33, its fucked up. Besides if women are not very active they get fat or flabby very easily during their 25s-30s.


If you are planning in having children till mid 30s might as well adopt, because the chances of getting a retard kid increase dramatically after the 30s, so its no enough just having a kid that you didnt really want, but add up to that the fact that he is retarded, that would be fucking hell.

>>2480830
Again, assertions without proof. Learn to argue.

MEE!!
Because they are too expensive, tie you down, are dirty, destroy relationships, destroy property, too much work etc etc

I really think that the costs of children FAR outweigh the benefits.

at least i'm glad that i saw some people sharing my point of view it's so uncommon in real life

i recently had an argument like this with a friend of mine who just had a baby
everything started when he asked me "when are you going to have a baby"

>>2480835
My point is that obligation is entirely an abstract, subjective concept. No one is obligated to do anything. "Should" is a human invention.

>>2480830
If you're being serious, I think you're reacting too strongly. I, for example, wouldn't consider someone an ENEMY OF HUMANITY unless they actively tried to kill children. Not wanting to reproduce is a personal prerogative. Being able to make these kinds of choices and appreciate their full weight is what separates us from other animals.

>>2480800
And why wouldn't I? Last time I checked I was female.

HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
>HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
>HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
>HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
>HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
>HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN
HOLOCAUST ANYONE WHO PUTS THEMSELVES ABOVE CHILDREN

>>2480858
I think he was questioning whether you're actually female. It's mostly men on this forum, that's all.

>>2480830
>YOU ARE THE ENEMY OF HUMANITY
No, aether, you are the enemy of humanity. You seek to impede scientific progress and logical thinking in favor of your own distorted worldviews. Because of people like you, humanity has achieved nowhere near its true potential.

Seriously, if you shot yourself in the head tonight, the world would become a better place.

>>2480840
Like I said, I don't want a kid, but my mind could change in my late thirties.

>>2480830
>OUR children are PRIMARY PRIORITY, they come FIRST

They are not my priority. And they don't come first. And you won't be able to respond with a rational argument that proves that they must come first. But you will probably respond with more of the same unsupported drivel.

>>2480866
You're suggesting "Holocausting" people who disagree with you? I can think of someone else who felt that way once...

Unlike you, I'm not a fucking solipsist.

I examine the ineffable intricacy of the human construct and understand I'm assimilated to it absolutely. As a human, it is a duty to continue my genes through some form.

It's mostly men on the entirety of 4chan. I can get why people would get accusatory when a female pops up, it's like finding a woman at a star wars/trek convention that is not a hambeast.

>>2480881
>As a human, it is a duty to continue my genes through some form.

Humans have a duty? Where is this written? I never signed a contract to have kids. Did you?

>>2480876
THAT'S PERSONAL, NOT TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THE BIGGER PICTURE. YOU THINK YOU'RE 1 THING, YOU'RE SELFISH. YOU DO NOT LIVE ON THIS PLANET ON YOUR OWN. LIFE ISN'T HERE FOR --->YOU<--- TO ENJOY, YOU'RE DISGUSTING, AND INTOLERABLE, AND I WANT YOU BURNING IN FRONT OF ME, YOU FUCKING ACNE RIDDEN, PARASITICAL AND RETARDED ABOMINATION. PERSONALLY, I WOULD KILL YOU IF YOU STEP WITHIN 1 INCH OF MY CHILDREN, YOU'RE DISGUSTING, NOW FUCK OFF.

>>2480901
Insulting your opponent does not in any way prove your point. It does, however, make you look immature.

i don't want children either.
too many people in the world already...why be part of the problem?

>>2480901
I have a deal for you, aether.

Everyone who posted in this thread will produce and raise 3 children.

In return, YOU MUST KILL YOURSELF IN THE NEXT 3 HOURS.

If children are truly the first priority, then it is a worthwhile for you to sacrifice yourself for the promise of more children, right?

>>2480911
You're not going to reproduce? That's good to hear.

>>2480901
I was right - responded with more of the same unsupported drivel.

But when there is no possible rational argument to be made, of course I expect a response like the one in >>2480901

>>2480908
By simply existing, you insult me. You are an insult, you're a disease, you deserved to be strapped to a chair and quartered, burned and stricken. You're nothing to humanity, and so is anyone else who claims that the statement "Children come first no matter what," needs proving. Prove your law books to me. Prove words mean anything. You fucking cunt.

I decided to have on child. Research says getting more than one will eat away happiness through affecting your relationships and stress levels whereas one child doesn't tip any scales.

The reason I want children at all is.. Well, I just want to see what I can make of a child.

However, I am concerned about falling behind on work when on maternity leave, the changes in my body, the chance that my child grows up to be an idiot, the child is allergic to dogs.. And so on.

>>2480928
>Prove your law books to me. Prove words mean anything.
I never asserted that they did. Asking me to prove something unrelated, which I never claimed, is not an argument. Neither is insult, which you seem apt to do.

>>2480939
So. If words don't mean anything, then what's 'proof', and more importantly, what's 'valid proof'?

>>2480928
> Children come first no matter what

If this were true, it would be a trivial matter to prove. So just for fun, let's see your proof. I mean a good proof here would really shut those doubters up and prove them wrong, wouldn't it!

>>2480928

How about RAEG a little harder? Your foaming at the mouth nonsense is amusing. Give us more.

>>2480937
>on child

Meaning of course "one child". Damn typos.

>>2480943
A valid proof is a statement that follows logically from its premises. If you're unsure about how to present a logical argument, I suggest this link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logic

If you have any other questions about how to perform simple activities, I'd be more than happy to help you out.

I don't want kids for the same reason I don't want to invite a homeless person to be my roommate and feed him. They're revolting, expensive to maintain, and offer me no benefit.

"YOU'RE SO SELFISH FOR NOT BREEDING."

Guess so. Don't worry about it, crybabies, the human growth rate is still in the positive numbers. In fact, it's going to keep increasing for the foreseeable future, especially in the developing world.

>>2480928
I find it funny how you value children, yet you don't value humans. This is so hilarious and contradictory. I wonder how does having a cognitive dissonance like that feel like.

>>2480928
what are you doing on /sci/ ?
you are obviously not one of us
go back to /b/ or wherever you came from
here we use logic in our arguments
and agree with others if they're right about whatever they're talking about
so either STFU or GTFO

Children are those who will be living in our created habitat. If we create a new world, but don't produce children, then we will become extinct, because adults are not immortal, and even they were, if it ever got to that point, and they though that they could put themselves above natural humans, i would be on the front-line finding and killing any one i see.

I have no reason to 'prove' anything to you, you've already 'proved' to me your a parasitical cunt.

Dear Aether:
I understand that you have a strong instinctual drive to produce and protect children. I understand that you are also very emotional about it. That's fine. I'm only asking you to set aside emotions temporarily and provide a logical argument for your assertions. If you instead say, "This is just my opinion. I admit that it is arbitrary," then I will happily drop the issue.

>>2480785

Both are, actually.

>>2480959
>"YOU'RE SO SELFISH FOR NOT BREEDING."

If anything it's selfish to feel that it's your duty to breed when it's pretty well taken care of already. Maybe if you live in a country with an impending crisis due to negative population growth, squeezing out a kid is a positive contribution. But in most countries you're not doing anyone any favors.

I want to have 4 or 5 children. Now I only have to find some woman that I can impregnate...

>>2480966

Protip: one individual's choice to keep it in his pants doesn't doom the entire species to extinction.

>>2480966
Your argument: If we do not have children, humanity will become extinct (duh). Therefore, we should reproduce.

There's a missing link there. To make that argument, you first need to prove that extinction is bad.

i want kids because it is the most interesting investment once you get outside of burger-range salaries. Yay, getting a 50k car rather than a 20k car. Or a awesome book for my pottery barn coffee table. Or a 1,000 dollar wallet. Woohoo.

Also, rather than convince everyone they are wrong, outreproduce them and indoctrinate my children with my values. Certainly is easier than convincing most people that their convienant beliefs are incorrect.

>>2480977
...someone who is stupid enough to let you spawn 4/5 kids inside her??

good luck! you'll need it.

>>2480966
>you don't want to have children because they're a heavy drain on all kinds of resources with little to no reward
>therefore, you are a parasite

Your logic, it falls apart like a house of cards.

Take it easy on yourself and kill yourself. That way, we'll be forced to uphold our end of the bargain and have children! You can force your values on us with complete success, and all you have to do is end your life!

>>2480966
But the "natural" human would be so much more inferior, it would learn at a lower rate, it would have lower capacity for learning and experience, it would be so much more limited.

Why care about "children" if there would be the option to transcend the limits of being human? If you really want children, you could create more of those like you, not normal fragile humans...

Well whatever, there's no point in arguing with you as your idealogy and religion is weird as fuck and you're a troll.

>>2480977
I heard there's one on this thread.

>>2480989
sounds like you're volunteering to me

>>2480990
>Take it easy on yourself and kill yourself.

But pics or it didn't happen.

>>2480983
PROTIP: Promoting your 'personal' choice is insulting to US, and making it know you're not a part of US, and therefore you're not MAN, so you should be killed.

What kind of a cunt comes on the internet and promotes Evil things and asks 'proof' of Good things, or even asks 'proof' to see whether it's good or not.

1. Helping Children.
2. Killing Children.

You guys: "Hmmmm... Which ones 'good'.
Man: "Helping Children."
You guys: "Prove it."

I want to see you DEAD.
I'm done with this topic. I've let you know what humanity thinks, and if you think "well, I'm part of humanity and I don't want that," you're not humanity. You Jooish cunt.

>>2480997
fuck no.
i dont wanna give birth even once.
let alone 5 times...

>>2480966
>Children are those who will be living in our created habitat. If we create a new world, but don't produce children, then we will become extinct

Yup, and there is no logical error in that. Many, many species have gone extinct. It could happen to humans too - humans could even choose to go extinct or simply allow it to happen through apathy.

>because adults are not immortal, and even they were, if it ever got to that point, and they though that they could put themselves above natural humans, i would be on the front-line finding and killing any one i see.

So you're a homicidal maniac. Who values having children. But not human lives. OK. Just out of curiosity, what was your relationship with your mother like?

> I have no reason to 'prove' anything to you,

Because there is no possible proof.

>you've already 'proved' to me your a parasitical cunt.

So would that be like a cunt that feeds off a host? Would you be able to fuck a cunt like that? Would it menstruate?

>>2481009
Hey, we all want to see you dead too. Why don't you kill yourself and maybe we'll all do the same?

Also, lol at
>NOT AMERICAN=NOT MANLY

>>2481011
ah well... just wait, you'll change your mind

>>2481009
Unproven assertions used:
>Promoting your 'personal' choice is insulting to US
(you don't speak for the entire US, obviously)
>promotes Evil things
Prove that something is evil.
>you're not humanity. You Jooish cunt.
Last I checked, those people are, in fact, humans.

i can't fucking wait to have kids

at least one boy and one girl, i don't give a fuck if i get 12 girls in a row i'm gonna keep going till i get that boy.

>>2481012
>>2481022

>PROTIP: Promoting your 'personal' choice is insulting to US, and making it know you're not a part of US, and therefore you're not MAN, so you should be killed.

What kind of a cunt comes on the internet and promotes Evil things and asks 'proof' of Good things, or even asks 'proof' to see whether it's good or not.

1. Helping Children.
2. Killing Children.

You guys: "Hmmmm... Which ones 'good'.
Man: "Helping Children."
You guys: "Prove it."

I want to see you DEAD.
I'm done with this topic. I've let you know what humanity thinks, and if you think "well, I'm part of humanity and I don't want that," you're not humanity. You Jooish cunt.

>>2481026
meet
>>2480977

>>2480977
meet
>>2481026

Have fun!

aether,yesterday my wife had an abortion.
u mad?

>>2481009

Can you tell us about your daily life? How many retarded reaction images do you have? Do you spend all day raving on the internet and capitalizing RANDOM words to let everyone know how PASSIONATE you are? Do you have a website somewhere? We'd love to see it.

I want to have children
Imagine how empty and boring would your life be if you didn't

>>2481009
>I'm done with this topic.

Please keep your word about this!

>>2481028
We never even promoted killing kids. We promoted not creating them. If you're struggling with the distinction between destruction and choosing not to create, there are several free dictionaries online.

What kind of a cunt comes on the internet and promotes Evil things and asks 'proof' of Good things, or even asks 'proof' to see whether it's good or not.

1. Helping Children.
2. Killing Children.

You guys: "Hmmmm... Which ones 'good'?"
Man: "Helping Children."
You guys: "Prove it."

>>2481041
In fact, if you do have a website, you should stop coming here and devote that time to your website. I'm sure it would do much more for your cause.

>>2481044
My life is sufficiently entertaining.

>>2480928
Prove children are important

>>2481036
I doubt that 2 males can reproduce ...

>>2481050
You said you were done with this topic - such a liar - pants on fie!

ABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUNABORTIONS ARE FUN
u mad aether?
stop polluting /sci/

What kind of a cunt comes on the internet and promotes Evil things and asks 'proof' of Good things, or even asks 'proof' to see whether it's good or not?

1. Helping Children.
2. Killing Children.

>You guys: "Hmmmm... Which ones 'good'.
>Man: "Helping Children."
>You guys: "Prove it."

>>2481021
doubt it...
children are loud, smelly and irritating.
adult friends are not (at least not the friends i choose...)

>>2481050
Copying and pasting your own proof does not validate it, though I'm glad to see you're trying new approaches. You've also learned how to use lower-case, so that's good. Just remember to capitalize the first letter of each sentence.

>>2481061
Are you sure that
>>2481026
is a dude?

What kind of a cunt comes on the internet and promotes Evil things and asks 'proof' of Good things, or even asks 'proof' to see whether it's good or not.

1. Helping Children.
2. Killing Children.

You guys: "Hmmmm... Which ones 'good'?.
Man: "Helping Children."
You guys: "Prove it, also, prove Children are important"

>>2481076
I'm not sure but I think it's quite safe to assume it.

>>2481078
> 1. Helping Children.
good

> 2. Killing Children.
bad

3. Not having children to begin with.
good

Someone spam the s$%^ out of this thread with gore, kplxthx

>>2481078
good idea aether, just keep cuntpasting the same shit over and over.
eventually you will fucking change everyones mind!

>>2481068
They are loud, smelly and irritating only for few years. Don't you find the idea of designing most of the mentality and character of a human being fascinating ?

>>2481028
No,i'm not part of the US;im European.So what?

What kind of a cunt comes on the internet and promotes Evil things and asks 'proof' of Good things, or even asks 'proof' to see whether it's good or not.

1. Helping Children.
2. Killing Children.

You guys: "Hmmmm... Which ones 'good'?.
Man: "Helping Children."
You guys: "Prove it, also, prove Children are important"...

>>2481094
>They are loud, smelly and irritating only for few years. Don't you find the idea of designing most of the mentality and character of a human being fascinating ?

Yes, if I could do it once in a while, like a hobby. But it doesn't work that way.

Sure it's been said a million times, but I don't want to have another mouth to feed. Also, I'd be a godawful parent and I don't have an interest in explaining shit about the world even I don't understand (i.e. why bad things happen to good people, etc.)

GUYS
I've never actually been on this board before so I can't tell for sure
but
mind you this is all hypothesis so don't hold it against me
but
yeah, I know it TOTALLY SOUNDS CRAZY
but
I think that that aether guy is a troll.
D:

Reminder: if you have kids, you're gonna be responsible for them your entire life. No matter if at some point they leave the nest, the next big economic crisis comes, they'll be crawling back to your home if they didn't manage to buy one.

And I don't have a home.

>>2481100
You seem to be against killing children yet you've repeatedly promoted killing many of the people on this thread. Why is it okay to kill adults and "joos" but not children? Why are people more killable after adolescence?

>>2481094
I don't think it works that well. I turned out pretty different from my parents, but I had access to a lot more information than they had. Trying to control a complex system such as a human is futile - it's possible, but to actually succeed would take a very long time and would impede on the system's freedom in the first place. It's better to just show the child in the right direction and have it find its own way.

>>2481056
Maybe now
But what are you going to do when you become older?
Like everybody's is going to want to be with their families while you become the old creepy guy at the club

>>2481111
>I think that that aether guy is a troll.

I doubt it, he's putting too much work into it without a lot of results. He's provoking less of a shitstorm and more a bunch of pointing and laughing. Trolling on /sci/ is more of a long running in-joke anyway.

I don't want to ruin my vag.
And there are so many orphaned children in the world... I want to adopt. I don't want to have my own.

>>2481117
I'm not talking about details suck as career path or interests. These details are not controllable I think.

>>2481094
eh, i guess i could just play sims, and get teh same thrill, without any responsibility or monetary loss.

>>2481123
>But what are you going to do when you become older?

Wow, and those that don't want kids are sometimes called selfish. So your going to bring a life into this world because you might be lonely many years from now?

>>2480337
>>2480388
>>2480422

>>2481128
this.
also, adoption is far less selfish and therefore more ethical than making a whole n'other child. (not that i really wanna do that either...)

>>2481123
So you're suggesting having a kid to entertain you when you're older? I know how to keep myself entertained already; I don't need to make someone to do it for me.

I think my genes are worth passing down, thus I plan to have children. I don't succeed till I'm 45, I'll donate sperm (assuming my academic career will go as planned).

That's the plan.

Childfree by choice
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Childfree

>>2481137
Well yes
Why do you think people have kids?

A lot of thinks that makes us happy are hardwired into our brain for a reason. Having kids is one of them
If you don't have kids your brain will make sure you're miserable later in life

>>2481171
Because they think it will be a very positive experience for both them and the child Because they want to help another person follow the path to becoming their own self as a happy, independent adult. And they will always love that child - even if the child has a handicap - even if the child grows up to hold opposite religious and political views.

Seems like it would be very, very hard to be an excellent, selfless parent. Harder than any job I can think of. Parenting really is about putting your needs second. That's part of the reason that I don't want to be one.

>>2481189
pure conjecture - no way to prove that for a specific individual or for all individuals.

>>2481171
People have kids for other reasons, too:
By accident
To convince their partner to stay with them (sad and true)
For welfare checks

Though certainly these aren't the only reasons, of course

>Feel free to explain why.

1. Don't like being responsible for other living things (don't even have pets)
2. Resource cost (time, money, etc)
3. Probably going to stay single till I die and if I did find someone I wouldn't want to share them with a kid
4. Don't really like kids

>>2481189
Humans are hardwired to like sweets. So if I don't eat candy I'll be miserable later in life?

>>2481238
Well you are hardwired to like food, water and sex

>>2481189
yes but a choice like this has it's reasons
and having a kid has as much bad sides as good ones

and lets not forget that people are hardwired to stay positive in the darkest of times
so whenever you feel sad that you didn't had a child you would simply remember the bad sides of having a child and the good sides of not having a child
and you'll feel especially good knowing that it was the most reasonable thing you could do
feeling like the the hero who did the good thing and no one knew about his deed

If you don't want chldren at least donate to a sperm bank, if anything we need more intelligence in the gene pool

>>2481314
The only real bad side is that you'd save a little more money otherwise

>Atheists: are digression for humanity, they halt our gross advancement, by causing dispute with people, trying to destroy the concept of God, like it's 'scientific', or a 'problem' that they need to use science to fix. They make it seem that religion can play no part in science, that you can't even have it in your head; yet their aim is to constantly suppress the idea of God in anyone's minds, you see it here every day. Think of God as a 'clean slate', from this point you naturally define existence, you measure everything around you and you educate yourself, through God, naturally.

>What they're trying to do is, make God the lie, through 'science' (which is what they treat this process as), and instead force their education as the truth; where 'prove it' matters more than 'children come first no matter what', amongst other things, where money is 'real', like it's not just innovation to help us progress. Think of it as a bunch of adults in white suits looking at cattle in a field, deciding what's 'best for us' "God?, nope, they cannot have that, they SHALT SERVE THE ECONOMY". Haha.. It's fucked up their world view, honestly.

>>2481352
Trolling for god

>>2481363
You break the rules, I break your belief.

I was sexually abused by my father, and im shitscared if i have kid's i'll do the same thing.

>>2481373
How do you break a belief that doesn't exist?
Have fun trying to split air, aether!

Consider this, the paragraphs I wrote about Atheism took me close to 10 minutes to produce - I'm an English, Law and Computing major with a vast amount of experience concerning God, and various Religions such as: Taoism, Buddhism, Islam, Christianity and Jud4ism. I'm also aware of some major historical events, some dating back towards the beginning of existence. If I spent, let's say, a couple of hours producing written explanations with correct grammar, sentence structure and easy to understand lexis and semantics, what I produced could, and most probably would, be enlightening to the average reader.

The rule is, you don't bring up children at any point, and you don't spread propaganda about children. You break this rule, you break my cool, and then I start writing for hours on end, doing what I can to fuck you up. You don't break the rule, I keep my cool, and I hang out on /x/.

Simple really.

Reproduction is the neccesary bad that organic beigns such as humans have to do in order to continue their species existance. Because of this, our insticnt promote this behavior.

But unlike other animals, we can recognize these instincts and choose to act against them, and work towards some other goal.

With this unique freedom from our insticts a human in today can understad that it is possible within his/hers own lifetime that we master life extention technologies. Through technology and science, it is a possibility, that people born in this century, can live to see the start of the next millenium.

When humans have achived immortality and posthuman godhood, the need to reproduce is greatly lowered. The humans of future are not made of our flesh and genes. They are designed, and build acording their own vision. Genetic lineages, reproduction and evolution become almost meanigles we redesign ourselves.

>>2481426
Morality is relative. Referring to your imaginary friend or alleged credentials proves nothing.

>>2481438
Imagination is real, your words are not.

>>2481324
money is really not my goal
women and sexual pleasure too
well it would be fun for a while but i'm sure i would be bored after a week or two

the thing i would be most happy with
is knowledge, knowing why i'm here
knowing why the universe is and how it really works

>>2481426
Emma Watson - totally doable! I mean just as long as she doesn't get preggers and have kids. Cause I don't want to have any kids.

>>2481453
You're taking the wrong route for understanding, you don't gain knowledge, you are knowledge. You learn from experience, exactly how animals do. That's how life is.

We "Know"
You "Think"

>>2481448
If you're going to claim that, please define "real" and then explain why your statement is significant.

>>2481426

Children are nothing special. Only reason for their existance is the fact the we are not immortal. They are replacements, nothing more, nothing less.

And we are working towards immortality.

http://www.manhattanbeachproject.com/

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/emergingtech/manhattan-beach-project-to-reverse-aging-by-2029/2010

As long as humans die, children are needed, when we don't there is no need for children.

>>2481434
I really don't think I have an instinct to be a parent. It's not like I want kids and am suppressing the desire - I just have no desire for kids.

>>2481453
>knowing why the universe is and how it really works
Spoiler: It works by living things reproducing so they don't die out

>have absolutely no desire to have children
The fruits of atheism.

Everyone who is below average intelligence, or in low conditions. Or with a small income (this includes people in the 3rd world) has an obligation tohave less/no children

All with above average intelligence/conditions/income and in the 1st world have an obligation to have at lest 2 children, possibly with more.

If you can't Get a wife, donate sperm

There's quite a lot more to the universe than just organisms reproducing.

Engineer here, I might want to adopt later in life. I am too use to being part of a family. I still vist my parents/younger brother once pr twice a week.

>>2481478
not buying that at all

>>2481480
No one has any obligation unless they sign a contract.

>>2481470
but you liked it enough to post....

>>2481469
Actually, they are the most important part of existence. Without children we wouldn't be here.

>>2481464
Imagination is real in a wordless sense. If there were no words, you would still have imagination, just without the 'word' that defines it.

Take away the word 'computer' and what do you currently have in-front of you. Various natural compounds stuck together, that exist in wordless actuality. If you remove words, then your 'computer' becomes the natural elements that made it.

>>2481478

>implying this has anything to do with atheism

also:

>Implying this is somehow a bad thing.

>>2481483
Yeah. It just so happens that organisms reproducing happens to be a HUGE part of it

>>2481487
They have an obligation because of their duty to the human civilization to maximize chance of success and stability

>>2481494
Actually it is completely to do with Atheism; Religion teaches to us to respect children the most, and to not do 'anything that clouds the mind', telling us that false education is wrong, which can be through evil Oneist schools or through doing drugs. It's mysticism.

>>2481491
You've failed to actually define "real." Also, while it is true that my imagination exists independently of words, that does not disprove the statement that morality is relative.

>>2481491

>Actually, they are the most important part of existence. Without children we wouldn't be here.

Did I deny this. I just stated that when we stop dying, there is no need to reproduce anymore.
As I already stated, children are replacements of the dead. No more dying = no need for children.

>>2481503
"They have an obligation because of their duty..."

No one has any duty. People can do whatever they want. You can try to stop them or not, but duty is just something you project onto other people.

>>2481507
You failed to understand that the words you're using mean nothing, as do mine, it's just a bunch of symbols that you've been conditioned, like a dog, to interpret. In fact, they imprison you into reality, or as I like to call it, the 'Matrix'.

Let me guess OP you're blond
Don't ask me how I know that, just a hunch

>>2481516
...So you attempt to win the argument by claiming we're in the Matrix...?

>>2481514
Hey bro, I don't care what you think, I don't even read your posts, I pick out certain lines and make it known what God/Humanity thinks of it, it would be best if you stopped posting, you're poisonous and retarded, under the word-delusion that you protect, cause you're too dumb to understand the ways in which it imprisons you.

>>2481503
>They have an obligation because of their duty to the human civilization to maximize chance of success and stability

What an utter and complete load of crap. Duty does not objectively exist. There is no factual or logical error in letting human civilization crumble.

We have no duty nor obligation to live in a civilization - or even to live at all.

>>2481516

Go away, aether.

>>2481514
Whoever you are, keep posting.

One for him one for her, one for accidents and one for increase.

>>2481477
except for the millions of spices that have gone instinct

or it would be better to say that we are the exception

>>2481520

I will save this thread in my folder full of beloved things because it seems to be I finally found the real board to stay in.

I love you guys. I would brohug you over the internet if I could. I don't want to have a child for the same reasons you are giving.

>>2481556
I send you an e-high-five.

Think how much words have changed over the years, the term "For Gods sake," a long time ago, would have been used seriously, rather than in vein. Blasphemy is not 'Insulting God', blasphemy is misunderstanding the meaning of the words, and using them in an incorrect sense, as it dilutes the truth - and this is the basis for most of Atheism; to take advantage of the words and what they've become, to see how retarded and under the delusion people really are.

Also, your heart produces the impulse for your arms, legs, hands, etc to move and do actions, not your brain, your brain the the RECEIVER, whilst your HEART is the giver. But you've been taught different right? That's how dumb you are, you don't even know yourself lol, you know 'words' that tell you different. Each time you tap that keyboard 'tap, tap, tap', you 'feel' (receive) through your brain, and you 'touch' (give) with your heart. What, you don't believe me? Gonna ask me to prove it with '1's, an asymmetrical concept that doesn't really exist? No. You live in a world of opposites, but there is so much Oneism poison in your mind that you've forgotten the truth.

I desire children and apart from that I also kind of think it's my duty.

Why I desire children:
- have a lot of contacts who speak very positive about the experience
- I think the work you have with them is actually very rewarding
- I find the challenge of raising a kid very invigorating
- I have confidence in my own ability
- I have no problem sorting out my priorities relationship vs. work wise
- I think I'd miss it when I lie on my deathbed
- even if I could achieve true immortality I would still desire children
- I believe in humanity and in the future, so I don't think I put my kids in misery by .. making them exist

Why I think it's my duty:

- the threat of idiocracy:
Eventhough I'm not implying I'm smarter and better than everyone else I consider my abilities, beliefs and nature worthy to be passed down to two or more successors and to be maintained in the human genepool. Since I know that there are lesser men than me that are going to reproduce like animals, it's my duty to give my best genes and my best parenting to make the future world look a little brighter.
- with the popular saying that raising a kid is the greatest challenge in life I feel it is necessary for any man to put away his own selfish desires of bachelor freedom and take the challenge.

>>2481506

>Religion teaches to us to respect children the most, and to not do 'anything that clouds the mind'

>Religion teaches to us to respect children the most

Lol no. Religion actively brainwashes the children, and in the case of most of them, teaches children not to question anything, thus halting our progres. Religion only values children because they are more easily misled than adults.

In christianitys case ,how is it respecfull of children to tell them that they are inherently evil, and unles they blindly worship aome magical sky daddy, they are going to burn forever.

Also lol'd at this:
>and to not do 'anything that clouds the mind'

One word: creationists

They openly deny overwhelming evidence and clinge to their farytales. Their behavior implies that their minds are pretty clouded.

Which brings me to the next point. Did we 'evolve' to get here, or did we 'survive'? If both, which holds more significance? Evolution seems kind of diluted, it hints that 'we did nothing, we just stood there and nature changed us' - as oppose to, 'we stayed alive, and were chosen by nature to continue'.

>>2481566
>he posted a picture of that asshole who died in a car crash

Please, please, PLEASE let this be his way of saying he's about to an hero....

>>2481574
Uh, no, it doesn't. It teaches nothing but the truth. It's our human philosophy, they can learn about past events, as well as major standpoints, like where we figured out killing each other, or stealing was a bad idea (as a budding civilization). It also shows that the universe was created, because everything does have to start somewhere, anyone who thinks different is 'brainwashed', at least religion got it right. Isn't it funny how, the ones who believe the universe was never created, by ANYTHING whatsoever, are the Atheists who claim God doesn't exist and that Creationists are dumb. It's funny. Learn how to interpret the bible properly.

I have a theory:
I think the fact that many white people are now choosing to not have kids is a subconscious manifestation of fear and depression.
The fear is due to the fact that for a long time they were used to be the ruling class and now feel they are losing the grip over the other races and are afraid that they might bring a child to an uncertain and chaotic future which they have no control over.

>>2481573
you're talking like it's some kind of game
(well except the part on the dying bed)

you should really read this thread and then form your opinion

being a bad parent ruins someones life it's NOT a game

i don't mean to offend you
it's just.. the things you wrote make me think that you're not ready to be a parent

>>2481623
>sigmund-freud
>using crackpot analysis
>WHY?

>>2481524

Protip faggot.

You do not speak on the behalf of humanity, you might belive it, but belief =/= reality.

And who gives a shit what a fictional deity thinks. There has been countles belivers who have claimed that they are speaking for their god, all of who have had differend claims of what the particular deity actually says. This knowledge alone renders all arguments of what god wants or thinks, moot

Also, if you just dismis other arguments out of hand, without even reading them in this instance, people wont take anything you say seriously. ( I am not implying that they ever would take you seriously, given your track record of trolling and in being a giant douche, just some general advice in case you some day might actually become a reasonable person.)

>>2481644
Because my analysis follows the same methodology that Freud would have used

>>2481653
You obviously didn't read the post correctly, I don't care about your opinion, and nether does humanity. Opinions are 'selfish'.

>>2481659
Also I think this is the first time in history where a group of people have willingly wanted to commit genetic suicide
There must be a deeper explanation for this

>>2481659
But psychoanalysis is a very out dated method . It might be good if you are completely in the dark about someone's mental state but cognitive therapy is the current psychology. Even fucking behaviorism is more modern than psychoanalysis.

>>2481683
Also
Protip: Mods are not allowing this thread to bump to the first page due to them fearing this thread might become controversial

>>2481670
opinions are not selfish
we share them
the reason we share them is because we believe that the other party is reasonable enough to come to the same conclusion, and thus solve the dispute

there is only one truth (logically speaking)

>>2481700
no threads can bump only a fixed number of times(per board)
read the rules and the FAQ

the thread is going to 404 soon someone should archive it

>>2481701
Incorrect, opinions are selfish, you share them for benefit of yourself, to feel as if you, personally, had a say in something, when 'you' do not matter at all, to anything, 'you' are so insignificant in actuality, you literally know nothing, you just know words, which are, as I said, 'nothing', not real, ziltch. You're also using abstractions to express your points.

I speak for us, the main points, NATURE, CHILDREN and TIME.

>>2481608

>implying universe has to conform to our limited senses and reasoning.

And besides, saying goddidit! doesn't answer anything. Who made god? I know that mosts theist will claim that god is eternal, but by aplying your logic everything has to have a begining. Is god an exeption? If so, why cant the universe be an exeption too? God doesn't explain anything, and as far as we know, the universe could have always existed in a cycle of big bangs and big crunshes or have been barfed in existance by inter dimensional rednecks on during their barbecue, when uncle Duilippo ate too much.

The point is, WE DO NOT KNOW, that is why we are doing science to it. Claiming god as the explanation doesn't contribute anything and is intelectually in the level of todler. (who, by they way, is still only a replacement of a deceaced person. Unique replacement, but a replacement nonetheles.)

Also:

>Learn how to interpret the bible properly

Every single differend sect of every religion thinks that they are interpreting their chosen holy texts correctly. Thre are thousands of differend interpretations of the bible alone, who desides wich is the correct one? You? Who gives you this power?

>>2481715
Goddamn it moot is fucking retarded
I'm starting to hate his guts
Stop this wordfilter, bumping and whatever the fuck else bullshit and let us discuss whatever the fuck we want in peace.
Also I get the impression that he didn't assign a mod/janitor to this board out of spite
He probably was tempted to delete it after he deleted r9k and new

Society has turn to shit, Earth is crumbling. IO don't want to bring in anew life, only to suffer far worse than I have. Yes, some of us may have it easy but it doesn't mean the society isn't fucked as a whole. I don't want to see the fruit of my loins, the only being I would give my life for suffer. Fuck that shit.

>>2481634

>i don't mean to offend you

You don't, don't worry.
Yes I understand why you might think it's just a game to me. Maybe the parts about the challenge and immortality threw you off.
But, neither is it a game to me, nor am I taking this matter easy. I take it very seriously and I honestly think that I am up to it.

Yes, you can ruin a persons life with bad parenting. Not only by obvious things, like not being a parent, bullying or (sexual) abuse, but also by not preparing your child. His/her failures will be your failures. But you may also be able to raise a person in a way so that he/she will have a great life he will be thankful for. Maybe your son will look back at his childhood with you and get a warm and kind feeling in his chest while he misses you. Maybe your daughter will tell her children about you with a smile or maybe you get to meet them yourself.

There is no way of telling what kind of parent you'll be. If you are interested in having a child, not because of exterior reasons (like genes) but because you're interested in the child itself, and you believe you can handle it you are right to do so.

Maybe it's my age (25), but I'm planning to settle down in a few years.

If you Google "regret having children" there are plenty of hits. If they had to do over again, some parents would choose not to have children. I think the ones that do feel this way are unlikely to talk about it - they don't want to seem as though they don't love their children. Just that they are less happy and fulfilled as parents than they thought they would be.