/sci/ - Science & Math

>>2425562

Explain.

Yes, straight away.

No. How about this one:

Man A says: "I will give you $1 if you can correctly predict what I'll do next."
Man B says: "I predict you will not give me $1."

What happens?

no

>>2425571
Man A punches Man B in the mouth.

>>2425571
He'll give him 2 dollars.

Nope. Of course not.

>>2425571
He'll give him one dollar. Either right away or after he's performed an action that qualifies as being the "next" thing he does. His choice.

>>2425580
Holy shit!!!! That satisfies both conditions, he did not give him ONE dollar he gave him 2, while the other guy still ended up getting $1 and another dollar.

>>2425613
Exactly. Problem solved.

>>2425571

He will give him 1 dollar at a later, undetermined time.

>>2425551
no, he won't ever get it, because an infinite amount of time can never pass, because it's an infinite amount of time

>>2425571
Man A then does something, like, i dunno, does a little dance. This satisfies the criteria of not giving man B a dollar, and then man A gives man b the dollar. Because man A did not say at what point in time he would give man B the dollar

>>2425650
Not a good answer.
If he did a dance, then he also did not give him a dollar, thus the problem is still unsolved, or at least he owes Man A a dollar.

>>2425658
Errr or at least Man A owes Man B a dollar*

>>2425658
>>2425667
>>2425650
Oh I didn't read your entire post, you want to give man B the dollar in your scenario, my bad.

My bad

>>2425562
This is me.
>>2425569
Straight away, as if there is an infinite amount of time, then there is the possibility that he will give X to Man B immediately, this possibility would be reinforced an infinite amount of times, it's literally impossible for it not to be straight away, because infinite covers both the far and near future, and the present. There is always a chance that it would be 100% that he would give it to the man right away, therefore, without question, and without choice, he would give the Man B 'X', that is if what he said was true.

>just a guess.

No, they'll both be dead.

desire? hope?

"An infinite amount of time" is an undefined amount of time. Infinity is not a number. You might as well say "I will give you X after a banana amount of time has passed."

>>2425842
He didn't say infinity is a number. To say something is infinite means it is greater than any number. So this man will receive X, but only after T time has passed, where T is greater than any number. The man won't receive X, but the problem is not nonsensical.

Man A didn't sayy ill give you X during a finite amount of time passes.
Nor did he say, hell give man B, X when an infinite amount of time finishes passing.

Man A said he'll give man B, x AFTER an infinite amount time HAS passed. Assuming there is nothing after eternity, he must actually give man B, X in an ampossible state of time, thus making him a Liar.
Even if there is a valid state of time after eternety, an infite amount of time doesn't really end, so there is no way getting there. Pretty much like getting the number √(-1) using +-*/.

Answer is No, he wont.

>>2425856
In your example, T is a variable. A variable is a symbolic representation of some number (or numbers). T="that number which is greater than all numbers" is nonsensical. T is undefined.

>>2425893
What this means is that, if at any time the man says "Do I get X yet?" The other man can respond, "No, not yet." What's so confusing about that?

death,

gonna live forever, in my head i was talking to the grim reaper.

>>2425893
It could be an ordinal number.

i put $20 in a box
you put $20 in a box
i sell you the box for $30
we both make $10 profit

>>2425911
Nothing. Obviously we frequently infer what people MEAN, even when what they ACTUALLY say is nonsensical.

In this case it doesn't really matter, because Man B is never getting X. It's as if A said "I'll give you X after a banana amount of time has passed."

B asks, "Has a banana amount of time passed?"

Obviously, A's answer would always be "no". A banana amount of time will never pass, because a banana amount of time is undefined.. Similarly, an infinite amount of time will never pass, because an infinite amount of time is undefined.

>>2425611
This. He'll not give him anything "next". What is next? The next instant of time?
And next of that he'll give him the dollar.

>>2425956
One guy makes $10 profit. One guy loses $10 because he paid $50 for a box with $40 in it. Nice try.

And for the record: Infinite IS defined retards, as a matter of fact its the perfectly opposite of finite.
In other words a infinite amount of time, is by the definition a number of time that is never "finished" or ended.
As for wether Infinite is a number or not. Its may be both, and an amount CAN be described by it. Not only may you put anything other than a number in front of an amount or quantity, but its the only thing you can put in fornt of an amount or quantity.

An Infinite amount of time makes perfect sense.
A 5 amount of time does not.
Moreover a banana amount of time makes no sense, merely because a banana is an object not an adjective.

Still though: Man A giving Man B, item X After an infinite of time has passed,
⇒ Man A and man B will both be present in the actual state of time: "After an infinite amount of time."
⇒ After anfinite amount of time is a possible state of time

the state "After an infnite amount of time" ⇔ An infinite amount of time has ended ∩ a new alternate era of time has started

A new alterante era of time, not part of the time we live in may be possible.

However an infinite amount of time does not end, period. Its against the definition, and the reason we call it In-Finite

Ad absurdum

A state After an infitie amount of time is impossible ⇒ Man A cant give Man B the money the Money. ⇒ Man A is a lying douchebag fraud.