/sci/ - Science & Math

Far greater.

Nice pic OP.

>>2414886
Now that's what I'm talkin' about

>>2414869
I'm saving that pic in two folders.

>>2414906
It's my favorite emoticon too.

>>2414866

>>2414886
Oh yes.

Yes yes yes.

A still more glorious dawn awaits, not a sunrise, but a galaxy rise

>>2414886

>>2414952
saved to my fap folder.

>the first girl you ever loved

and never kissed.

>>2414952
That black flag is depressing. Though when considering technocracy's ridiculous vulnerability to corruption and tyranny, it is quite suitable.

>>2414886
>terraformed Mars
>Phobos

Excuse me, but I believe we have SMACKED PHOBOS INTO IT.

OP, your dull sunrise does not compare to the face of my first love.

Imagine all the suns in the sky, every star in the universe, exploding at once. A simultaneous, absolute supernova event. You may, with a sufficiently fervent imagination, imagine the light in her eyes.

At her wedding, standing a mere 5 feet from the event itself, I could feel the very elemental structure of reality rearranging for her.

One can only dream to witness such singular event in cosmological history. I have had the unfathomable privilege of knowing her.

One may defy gravity. One may adapt magnetism. One may control ionic bonding. One does not slight Love.

>>2414984
>doesn't like the color of space, and its symbolism of our progress into those depths

>>2414995
u sad

>>2414995

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_to_Stay
>mfw they will only be sending couples
So much for my lack of motivation to get a girlfriend. I need to find a bare NOW! Preferably a bar in a college town with a good exobiology or exogeology department.

so...

pic is mars?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_to_Stay
>mfw they will only be sending couples
So much for my lack of motivation to get a girlfriend. I need to find a bar NOW! Preferably a bar in a college town with a good exobiology or exogeology department.

>>2415031
I'll volunteer to be someone on /sci/'s girlfriend so we can go to Mars.

>>2415056
Would you bear my beard-necked babies for SCIENCE?

>>2414995

your wife has probably cheated on you a lot

>>2415063
Damn yes I would. It could be the first baby born on another planet. How rad would that be?

Note: I would not give birth on planet earth under any circumstances.

>>2415072
>Implying I was 5 feet away from my own wedding

Attention to detail is an essential quality in a scientist.

>>2415079
Having already told all of my friends that I would, without reservation, volunteer for the first one-man, one-way mission to Mars, I respect your priorities.

This is how independence revolutions start...enforcing laws and a governed way of life on these people will be nearly impossible. Given 100 years in the right environment and they could totally propagate and completely secede from Earth.

I'm game.

>>2415079
What is your major?

>>2415117
YOU MUST READ 'RED MARS' NOW!

>>2415119
Astrophysics, and I do a little electrical engineering as a hobby.

>>2415124

Have it. My ex-girlfriend's dad gave to me, said I'd like it more than he did since it was pretty technical but I never got around to it. The series that good? I believe it goes Red, Blue, Green?

>>2415124
But it has read allowed disabled on kindle

>>2415131
>Woman astrophysicist
>Tinkers with electronics in her spare time

If your weight is less than 250 lbs and you have no visible deformities, I can't understand why you're single.

Find me. We'll dream of interplanetary procreation together. And, you know, maybe see a movie or something.

>>2415176
its the face man, the face

>>2415176
Mostly because I intimidate a lot of people (tall as fuck), and don't put up with bullshit or lack of intelligence. Men don't like it when girls intimidate them.

Interplanetary procreation sounds like my kind of date. Bring a blanket or something though, I don't want to get Mars sand in unsavory areas.

>>2415195
I actually have a very pretty face, thank you very much.

Of course, none of this will matter when we all do mind uploads into specially equipped efficient machines and colonize the galaxy.

>>2415140
It goes Red, Green, Blue.

Red Mars goes into excruciating detail (excruciatingly good detail) about describing the technology, landscape, and objects that make up the Martian base. It is my favorite of the books. By the end it dabbles in terraformation and the politics of Mars.

Green Mars is pics up where the last book left off and focuses on the growing political tensions between Earth and Mars as well as the progress of terraformation. Kim Stanley Robinson shines once again in describing every little detail about the constantly changing Martian surface.

Blue Mars is mostly about Mars as its own political entity in an every growing political landscape spanning the entire solar system. I have yet to actually finish Blue Mars. It is far from a bad book, but Robinson shies away from his gift of detail and forces in more political discussion and my favorite character, Sax, doesn't play as big a role.

The entire series is great though.

>>2415176
She's mine you son of a bitch!
*stab*

>>2415202
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_to_Stay
Keep in mind you might be used as a baby factory via artificial insemination.

>>2415217
This is the last way we need to start acting on a new planet.

Apes in space.
>Planet of the Apes
fuck, they've done it already.

>>2415196
>Tall as fuck
>Smart

I hate when silly men convince women that attractive traits are intimidating and bad. If he's intimidated, it's because he wanted to be all "silly womanchild, let me show you the way." Screw that guy. A relationship is a partnership.

As for the sand...nobody wants sand up in their business, Martian or terrestrial.

'Course, I'm overweight and poor, so it's not like NASA would let me onto a shuttle anyway. Sad reality.

>>2415210

Excellent. I am more inclined to give it a whirl. I'll read it tomorrow, going to bed now. Goodnight fellow /sci/entists and martians. We'll get there someday!

>>2415234
>implying we will ever get rid of our talent for war

>>2415230
This is alright, as long as it's all C-section. I do have pure Aryan genes, we can build a super-race...

..oh wait...that's been done before too.

>>2415234
You bring up a good point. Just like how America was a testing ground for progressive political theories of the day as Mars grows it will become a testing ground for what is deemed the best political ideals of the not so distant future.

And once again, this has already been covered by Kim Stanley Robinson in his Mars trilogy. Fuck, is there a single aspect of Martian colonization that man hasn't copyrighted?!

>>2415202
Oh, God. She's a transhumanist, too.

You're stacking the deck.

>>2415131
>>2415196
>>2415202
These beautiful creatures actually exist?

>>2415243
yay, /sci/'s warmongers join the party.

/romanticism

>>2415243
yay, /sci/'s warmongers join the party.

/romantic thread

>>2415279
Warmonger =/= talent for war.......

I no longer love the first girl I ever loved.

I'm still on good terms with martian sunrises/sunsets, though.

>>2415258
If you didn't live halfway across the world, maybe we could get together for your beverage of choice sometime. I hear the Black Monolith Bar on the dark side of the moon has something delicious made of stars.

>>2415279
>/sci/'s warmongers join the party.

REPORTING IN

>>2415247
If you had to choose, what celebrity looks the most like you. If friends of yours have picked out a celebrity doppelganger for you before, do tell.

For example, my friends have said I look like Adam Campbell... I REALLY look like Adam Campbell too.

Also, *high five* for being Aryan together!
... is that racist?

>>2415286
...

>>2415294
>Also, *high five* for being Aryan together!

>>2415294
I get people telling me I look like the chick from that one crime show all the time. Uhh... I don't watch television. NCIS? Abby or something?

>>2415310
wow a chick on sci??

Lets do the sex now!!!

>>2415286
>If you weren't halfway around the world

Maybe some of us are posting outside a reasonable timetable for our time zone. /sci/ might make a connection, here.

>>2415315
I think she's heard me mention me being an Australian.

>>2415310
You look like ABBY?!

You don't watch TV?!

Ok, now you're just skewing my expectations of women.

>>2415310
>>2415324

>mfw this thread

>>2415310
Like Pauley Perrette?
What is your hair color? Not black, is it?

>>2415333
How in the hell did you get such an awesome trip Inurdaes?

>>2415338
I can't say, my hair color is way too identifiable to mention here. So let's just say some weird color.

>>2415324
It sucks being a girl that actually is awesome, because I have no other chicks to hang out with because most of them are retarded. That's okay though.

Please enjoy my sage and GET A ROOM, YOU TWO!!!!

>>2415351
MTY

>>2415356
Are you implying that you die it? If so, then what is your natural hair color? There aren't many unique Aryan hair colors.

And it's not like the few people you would care if they knew or not are posting on this website on this board in this thread at this very moment. Even if they were why care?

>>2415356
>my hair color is way too identifiable to mention here. So let's just say some weird color.
You've piqued my interest. Seriously, i doubt we could locate you just from hair colour.

>>2415377
I'm ultra paranoid about retaining internet anonymity for myself. I don't know why, it's my only tinfoil hat feature.

Blonde haired blue eyed master race.

P.S. Sorry for fagging up a Mars thread, let's try to rerail and argue about how we should live underground in a tunnel system rather than brace the dust storms in domes on the surface.

>>2415356
Now now, let's not be sexist; most people are retarded, regardless of gender. The fact that an attractive, intelligent woman would find men unwilling to pursue her is evidence enough that we display plenty of ignorance...

>>2415384
We shall call it Underhill, and it shall be good!

>>2415384
I would prefer living on the surface, but I think any travel in between other domes or places should be done through underground tunnel systems otherwise there will be too much of a clusterfuck with all the sandstorms.

>>2415384
>back to Mars

Quite right, quite right.

So, it seems to me that regardless of one's particular preferences for a Mars plan, Zubrin's NASA-negotiated Mars Semi-Direct plan has the most support through official channels. Wouldn't it be most beneficial for us to support it, rather than plans with less policy support, regardless of our particular preferences?

>>2415396
What would shield us from solar flares though? IMO they're the worst bit about living there, at least from what I've read.

>>2415384
Dust storms are nothing. It's the radiation that will kill colonists. We need a meter of dust over our heads to keep the cancer from colonizing our collective colons.

>>2415410
>rather than plans with less policy support
Such as?

>>2415413
Would a strong artificial magnetic field covering the base and surrounding areas be enough to keep the brunt of the flares from fucking shit up?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geology_of_Mars
THIS PAGE IS FULL OF SO MUCH AWESOME!

>>2415416
Or you could think the atmosphere that would help too....

>>2415425
That sounds ridiculously impractical. Compare the difficulty of producing a giant magnetic field to the difficulty of digging a hole and burying a habitat module.

>>2415421
Such as the plans hinted at on this page of one-way missions to Mars. Mars Direct and Semi-Direct are differentiated from these by their insistence on an ERV (Earth Return Vehicle).

Or from silly things like the 90-Day Plan, which used orbital bases to construct moon bases to construct massive nuclear transports to take us to Mars.

There are several plans on the table. The only ones that have gotten any sort of official backing are Zubrin's. While I personally would accept a plan that sent me to Mars without a way home, I am willing to accept limited missions, so long as they get people there. It seems like just taking that first step is worth putting aside whatever disagreements we might have over the particulars.

Even if we set up monitoring stations, we'd only have a few minutes warning for flares.

Could always live on the dark side... but that's not really practical either.

>>2415465
>dark side
>dark side of Mars

>>2415425
Do we have tech for that that wouldn't add like $999999999999999999 onto the mission?

>>2415451
But the One Way mission would be SO GLORIOUS!

NASA wouldn't be able to just leave the colonists to die. They would be permanently invested in colonizing Mars and making the base self-sufficient.

>>2415471
As in, always stay on the side that's not facing the sun.

That would require flying constantly.

>>2415473
You have to understand I don't think in money anymore for relatively far away missions or projects. I am expecting money as we know it to become extinct.

Could be wrong, but the march of technological progress seems to say otherwise.

>>2415471
Obviously he's suggesting a mobile colony that matches the speed of rotation, thus always remaining on the unlit side of the planet.

>>2415483
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars
>Sidereal rotation period 1.025 957 day

>>2414866
Looks way too much like earth for me to be impressed. I was expecting some sort of bizarre sci-fi landscape but that looks more like a foggy desert somewhere right here on earth.

>>2415492
That'll be the day.

And I hope to see it.

>>2415495
Ohh.
Wouldn't that mean it always has to keep moving on train tracks or something? This also doesn't help in terms of power generation, and a serious sandstorm could cover the tracks with loads of sand.

>>2414981
http://www.theonion.com/video/nasa-scientists-plan-to-approach-girl-by-2018,14400/

>>2415500

>>2415481
I agree, but I think that politicians are crafty enough to see that coming. Also, all kinds of people will be on top of this "suicide mission to Mars" concept, and in the end, we may end up doing more harm to the space program than we do good.

Besides, as I said, Zubrin's plans already have some vague NASA approval (they don't like admitting it, because his plans have been around since the 80s and NASA doesn't like being 30 years behind the curve). That might be enough to get things moving, if supporters of manned missions to Mars aren't spending all their time bickering over how we get there and whether we come back.

>>2415505
I wasn't suggesting that it be attempted. I was just explaining what I thought he meant.

>>2415500
you can change it

you will be far away from an overpopulated planet, free of all the constraints of modern society

Inu has that Zubrin video bookmarked, post it faggot

>>2415512
Oof, I have an infatuation with Titan, moreso than with Mars actually. The descriptions of the landscape and conditions just seem... incredible. But of course Mars is closer.

>>2415523
You know me well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-8bIQLiKi3g

>>2415523
Earth is not overpopulated. Its population just doesn't use its resources efficiently.

>>2415512
Yeah, exactly. Venus looks way more interesting. That's some shit out of Metroid. Fuck.

>>2415529
>>2415523
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZ5sWfhkpE0

Once more, with feeling?

>>2415505
Yeah, like I said, impractical. Just another way to avoid solar flares.

As soon as something sustainable is set up there though, no doubt there'll be rogue, guerilla mad scientists. And I don't mean that as a bad thing. We could seriously start over, as long as the setup was correct.

>inb4 Pilgrim analogy

>>2415536
Venus has potential, but nobody's willing to do the math for the oxygen balloons necessary for a viable terraforming/colonization project. Besides, Mars captures people's sci-fi fancies.

>>2415543
Oh yes. Oh fuck yes.

I'll be in the asteroid belt Mars Bro's.

Peace.

>>2415560
Ceres - Next big outpost for travel into the outer solar system

>>2415552
I've been curious about this. It already has an atmosphere. It's bigger than Mars.

>Terraforming Venus was first seriously proposed by the astronomer Carl Sagan in 1961.

LET'S FULFILL HIS DREAM

>>2415567
Why can't we do both at once?

>>2415567
I'm definitely up for it.
BEGIN THE KUIPER BELT OBJECT BOMBARDMENT

>>2415565
I'll be ready when you guys come.

>>2415582

>>2415567
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colonization_of_Venus#Aerostat_habitats_and_floating_cities

It's possible, but would require some serious out-of-the-box thinking to accomplish. Then you have to convince Congress that it's a good plan to get funding.

MASSIVE hurdles.

>>2415582
Also the Trojans those to will be ready.

>>2415588
No, no, no. You have to convince the corporations backing most congressmen that there's profit in it.

>>2415518
It's simple, kill the politicians.

>>2415565
>mfw the first non-terrestrial life is found in Ceres' oceans and everyone is like "What the fuck is Ceres?"

>>2415595
That would create many more problems than it would solve, unless you were ready and waiting to take advantage of their absence instantly and institute a new order. Even in that case, it would be hit-and-miss. Coups don't go over well with most people.

>>2415595
Kill one, and a dozen rise up to take his place. We've tried this before, Joker, and it didn't work.

>>2415593
Any corporation that doesn't see strip-mining an entire planet as an opportunity for profit is willfully refusing to consider its options.

>>2415600
>Ceres
>Oceans
I just realized, we have very little information about Ceres. I request a probe/rover be sent immediately.

O

>>2415608
guess what

NASA's Dawn probe—launched on September 27, 2007—is the first space mission to Vesta. It will orbit the asteroid for nine months from August 2011 until May 2012. Dawn will then proceed to its other target, Ceres, and will possibly continue to explore the asteroid belt on an extended mission using any remaining fuel.

>>2415608
The Dawn mission is already on its way broseph.

>report CP
>deleted 15 seconds later
I must say, I rather like this janitor/mod.

>>2415608
They definitely should have sent one there before sending one to Pluto. Then again, maybe everyone's really excited about Pluto's ancient undisturbedness and obvious lack of life.

>>2415620
>>2415621
Awesome.

>>2415606
It's called cost-benefit analysis. Mining another world may seem like an obvious opportunity to obtain billions of monies when you think about it, but until the numbers are run, nobody reputable is going to back you. So submit your proposal and check your inbox for laughter.

>>2415625
And it's voiced by James Woods!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbh5l0b2-0o

So Athene has apperanlty made some scientific progress..

So does annyone have any thoughts on this?

>>2415625
>mfw charon is a mass relay

>>2415623
I did the exact same thing and smiled at the quick response... a glorious dawn awaits.

>>2415620
If only there was a way to, you know, see if it really has oceans instead of just flying around it.

But such is the melding of funding and technology. Then again they might not want to waste that tech on Ceres and head straight to Europa with it.

>>2415637
No such thing. It's a hypergate.

>>2415645
No it's a wormhole.

>>2415651
Clearly, it is a dormant portal to the realm of the Outer Gods.

Nnno. Not dry enough.

I remember in one of my favorite books when I was a kid there was this photo of Pluto and Charon. It was just like a square of giant pixels, but I always stared at it, fascinated.

The future is close at hand, at least that's what I keep telling myself.

>>2415669
We are already fifty years ahead, in the world of sci-fi.
Tens, hundreds, thousands and millions communicating all around the world for a nominal cost. Even the porn that makes up a massive fraction of that flow is stuff that most people never even dreamed of fifty years ago.

People have artificial limbs, which we are now hooking up right into their nervous systems.

An average person has at his beck and call an amount of computational power even the sci-fi writers couldn't fathom.

We have built tools that can move singular atoms and other tools that can peek inside those atoms, even inside the very particles that atoms themselves are made of!

We have plotted with relative accuracy the processes of the universe nearly from the beginning of time and are hypothesizing about the end of time.

>>2415717
This is why I love watching/reading old sci-fi. It's all knobs and little CRT screens and "high tech" stuff that seems really low tech now. It reminds me how much things can change. I'd love to see people living in shielded geodesic domes on Mars by 2040.

I read the Mars Trilogy,

The first Red Mars, I was only 11 or so, really didnt get much at all, then Green and I waited for ages for Blue to be released. I didnt finish Blue at the time. Then at college I lent the series to a friend and they never returned them.

Last year I listened to the trilogy as audiobooks (look for torrent). Great series, I looked into many of the ideas postulated by the author. Well worth the effort to complete the series, it ends nicely.