/sci/ - Science & Math

My section:
>Money
How it works:
I throw it at everything and make it work.

>>2373233

Why not just spin the ship to provide gravity? There's no way that you will be able to keep up a constant stream of nukes for hundreds of years. And I hardly think that multiple nukes going off will produce gentle acceleration/deceleration.

>>2373245

>>There's no way that you will be able to keep up a constant stream of nukes for hundreds of years.

You don't use shaped nuclear charges for that. I thought that was obvious. You use some manner of electric propulsion like VASIMR that can be powered by an onboard reactor.

But whatever, assume it spins. Just get to drawing your section already.

we send fucking tortoises over there to shit it up
then evolution motherfucker
bam

Well, we'll need a greenhouse and a sewage recycling system. Then we need doctors to birth the babies that are going to be born. People who can teach the spawn everything they need to know to run the ship when the originals die. Psychologists. This is too much work. And this has nothing to do with the machinery.

times like these i wish that iron man element was around

>>2373255

More draw, less describe.

How many people are we bringing?
I need to know how many beds to draw.

we need a bigger ship, much much bigger. i was reading that if a ship were to go to mars the parts required to built it would be so big that they would need to assemble the whole thing in space

>>2373248

Hello! It's an ORION Drive! That implies propulsion by the repeated detonation of nuclear weapons.

My section is the History Database.

the most influential data to the world has been stored in this section, human history, literature, art. all compressed into digital and occasionally physical storage.

>>2373287

>>Hello! It's an ORION Drive! That implies propulsion by the repeated detonation of nuclear weapons.

Yes, I'm aware of that. So what? Nothing prevents it from using a VASIMR array to maintain gentle acceleration after using the nukes to get up to speed.

We need a room where people can relax and not go insane. I suggest the smallest room and we can also have a super thick viewing window so people can see outside. I'm more worried about the mental health of these people and their children than anything else. If there's a mechanical problem, oh well. But if it's sabotage...

>>2373320
whoops.
Derp. I will not be on one of these missions because I am dumb.

>>2373320
>oh look points of light
>look more points of light
>wow cool points of light
>JESUS CHRIST ENOUGH WITH THE POINTS OF LIGHT

>>2373314

>>2373287

>>Hello! It's an ORION Drive! That implies propulsion by the repeated detonation of nuclear weapons.

Yes, I'm aware of that. So what? Nothing prevents it from using a VASIMR array to maintain gentle acceleration after using the nukes to get up to speed.

And this is all beside the point. This isn't the "aspies point out irrelevant shit so we can argue about it for days" thread, it's for fucking drawing in a section of /Sci/'s spaceship.

>>2373287

>>Hello! It's an ORION Drive! That implies propulsion by the repeated detonation of nuclear weapons.

Yes, I'm aware of that. So what? Nothing prevents it from using a VASIMR array to maintain gentle acceleration after using the nukes to get up to speed.

And this is all beside the point. This isn't the "aspies point out irrelevant shit so we can argue about it for days" thread, it's for fucking drawing in a section of /Sci/'s spaceship.

Okay, I've added the two contributions to the same image. Try to add onto the most complete existing image rather than using the template in the OP.

>IIt's 5 lightyears away, and will require a little over 200 years to reach.

No, a nuclear pulse propulsion utilizing modern nukes would reach speeds between 0.1c-.2c and could realistically reach 5 lightyears in some 50 years.

i'm sorry for being science illiterate but how can the human body withstand this speed? or do we send something like an artificial womb, then an egg and some sperm, a bunch of these and then start the process while already there?

it couldn't happen with out star trek style replicators. how would you provide the people with 200 years worth of food, water and supplies?

i decided to add my own area which i like to call the orgy chamber. sadly the location was already taken by the psychiatrist but i think we can compromise and have both therapy appointments and giant orgys at the same time. the orgy chamber includes a giant circular bed and a see through ceiling for the coolness effect of doin it in space.

>>2373245

You see that plate thing sticking out of those rods under the ship?

It's called 'pusher plate'. The plate part is there to protect from the fireball and protect from radiation, and the pylons (or whatever) are to absorb worst of the recoil to reduce the strain on the crew and the frame of the ship.

>>2373426
but the speed is so exponential that it doesnt matter at that point, and our body can no longer take it

lols, fixed

>>2373245

You see that plate those pylons under the ship to which the pusher plate is attached?

They're there to absorb the recoil and reduce the strain on the crew and the frame of the ship.

it is impossible with current technology. once this ship leaves earth, there will be no opportunity to resupply. the only way this could work is if there were outposts along the way. there is no possible way to provide the passengers with 200 years worth of supplies. i don't think humans will set foot on anything outside our solar system for at least 100 years, probably more.

>>2373245

You see those those pylons under the ship to which the pusher plate is attached?

They're there to absorb the recoil and reduce the strain on the crew and the frame of the ship.

is this a joke? our bodies cant take a fifth of the speed of light no matter how much cushioning there is

>>2373233


why are the people scaled to roughly 16-22 feet tall?

this doesn't make any sense...

>this is a generational ship

Had me interested until that.

It wouldn't take 200 years.
With modern rocket technology at the fastest speeds we can accomplish it would take far less time. Google special relativity.

>>2373373
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>>2373452
>>2373460
>>2373492
>>2373514
>>2373527

FUCKING DRAW SOMETHING YOU ASPIES

>>2373527
no we cant, because we would become sacs of meat at that speed

20 foot tall people can't fit out of standard airlocks.

The mission is a failer.

>>2373548
we already ARE sacks of meat

>>2373561
> failer
Now that's funny.

>>2373460
>>2373438

Now wtf are you talking about?

There's nothing for the people inside the ship to experience the speed. What you're trying to say is like they'd be piloting a hypersonic aircraft at full speed with their canopes open, wearing no helmets.

Only thing that will be taking damage is the spacecraft itself, from interstellar hydrogen, whose impacts will be packing quite a lot energy at those speeds (if we assume the craft's nose was'nt particularily heavily armoured, or no strong artificial magnetic fields are employed to deflect the particles).

>>2373548
Speed =/= acceleration. A constant 1G will have you reaching lightspeed in ~1 year. A year of 1G is totally infeasible, but you get what I'm saying.

Orion craft boost phases will only last a few days at most, probably not even 24 hours. But that will be an unpleasent 24 hours, because each blast briefly accelerates you to >3G's, then back down to 0. Then 3, then 0. Then 3, then 0. Motion sickness, ho!

There are good reasons why 0.9C and greater is undesirable. First of all, grains of interstellar dust hit you like a railgun, and free floating atoms get transformed into deadly cosmic rays. Space is, unfortunately, not completely empty.

20-30% C is where it's at. Even then, that might be a bit too fast. But it should be workable.

>>2373492

You are correct. This "Super Orion" is actually a planned spaceship (not necessarily as a generation ship, but the possibility as a use for one has been considered), and it is absolutely massive. The height of this space ship is around the height of the Petronas Towers, which are two of the tallest sky scrapers IN THE WORLD.

The OP's scale is VERY wrong, the guy is WAY too big. Here's a better picture of it.

Damnit OP!

>>2373567
Commentary: You show great awareness for a meatbag.

>>2373590
>>2373590

>>2373541

biosphere deck

food, air, water, reclamation, varied perks

>>2373598
i get it now
>>2373646
sry about this

>>2373646
Except that the humans inside the ship will be moving at the same speed, assuming that the ship doesn't go from 0 to 0.2c in an instant. Speed doesn't have those effects; acceleration does, and you can reach 0.2c nicely by accelerating at 1 or 2 g for a long period of time.

>>2373661
i said sry, bro

>>2373664
Chill dude, it must have gone through while I was typing.

>>2373605
Good heavens!

I didn't realize they were gonna launch it from the surface!

Hohoho!
Where do I sign!?

>>2373541
WE NEED MORE ROOM!

>>2373736
agreed! although the scale is incorrect

i devote one deck for storage of a rope ladder so we can get to the surface of our new home

Okay here's what we have so far.

>>2373792
>Orgytorium
For 5 lightyears of travel

Everybody dies from lack of gravity.
>spin ship
Nitrogen/phosphorous/carbon loss
>tankage or high-power chemistry
long-term power
>shit

Hey bros, have fun in your shitty ship when in 50 years there's a good probability we'll have immortality and a much better ability to travel through space. We'll honk as we zip by in our space-corvettes!

Now here's a realistic view on how HUGE this thing could be, and should be for this kind of mission.

Oh, and it WILL take off. But of course, maybe enough chemical rockets strapped to it's side might lift it too, or not. And as always with chemical rockets, they could blow up on your face fuck it all up.

Now here's a realistic view on how HUGE this thing could be, and should be for this kind of mission.

Oh, and it WILL take off. But of course, maybe enough chemical rockets strapped to it's side might lift it too, or not. And as always with chemical rockets, they could blow up on your face fuck it all up.

>>2373911
Not sure if troll....

Lowest deck is reserved for recycling and waste processing.

>>2373977

recycling doesn't work that way. good night :3

because i dont want to be doing nothing for the whole trip, except when im in the orgytorium and my dick is overused, then you need some kindof healing thingy

Of course we need a reinforced laboratory to study potentially dangerous indigenous lifeforms. The section is built near the outer hull so it can be exposed to vacuum or even ejected in case of unforeseen consequenses arising from xenomorphs.

autodoc bay and xenolab...check

Wheres the place we charge the lazers? In case of aliens of course

>>2374152

>>2374152
or for landscaping purposes when we find a habitable planet. gotta clear out those pesky natives too.

>>2374192
we use fucking nukes for fuel....landscaping will be little problem

you will need some serious energy source and computing power

>>2374240

Now we're cooking with gas! What's next?

how does it radiate heat?

Its funny how the psychiatric is above a fusion reactor

>>2374264
we convinced him it had a nice view and it WAS the top deck and all...

Thought that was a vacuum tube schematic at first.

>Note to self; no more perusing old RCA manuals

shouldn't the biosphere deck be able to handle waste reprocessing too?

why would that need a separate deck?

>>2374279
biodegradable,
>aluminium

>>2374240
where are the stowaways supposed to stay?

>>2374343

Stowaways? You can cling to the outside like spacebat.

....Oh god, I reminded myself of spacebat. That intrepid little bro. ;~;

>>2374254
Probably by extending the foldable radiators shown here.

>>2374386
The four radiators are only deployed in pairs unless absolutely necessary so if one pair is damaged, there's still the other pair.

Also, each one works on a closed loop so if a puncture and loss of coolant occurs, not all of it is lost.

I guess some decks will need to incorporate a dynamic stabilizing system unless we want to schedule the movement of people from one section to another.

orbit-maintenance bump to prevent de-orbiting this thread

>>2374463
Water storage could double as that, have tanks distributed through the ship.

>>2374198

Added a new layer to host space for shuttle bay.

And some more.

>>2374198

Added a new layer to host space for shuttle bay.

And some more.

added a factory for producing stuff, such as the bomblets we need for propulsion

Molecular assembler.

For stuff.

>>2374868

>>2374868
in the factory already, >>2374859

>>2374859

Good thinking. As soon as we reach the destination of our journey, we can start replenishing our supplies by mining the shit out of local asteroids and small moons.

>>2374871

Replace factory with assembler.

>>2374868

Only technologies that exist pls.

>>2374879

>implying ribosomes don't exist.

But okay.

>>2374868

Molecular assemblers are at least 20 years away, at most, 100-never. And as far as i understand, the point is to make it all plausible with today's technology

>>2374883

A factory is fine. Perhaps also a refinery, so that the pusher plate can be made from uranium, then cannibalized for fuel once we arrive.

It's too small. Everyone other them solitary basement dwellers like me will want to kill themselves within months.

What you want to do is take an O'Neil colony and strap nuclear rockets to it. That would provide us with ample room for 100 people or so.

I don't see any living quarters.

Also Mad now that you're here, what are some good books about the sea and undersea mining/colonization and shit that can be downloaded off the Internet?

>200 years to reach
Too far, fuck that shit. Wait until we have faster engines.

When colonizing a world without further logistical support, taking along a crew who is mostly female would be the best option to jumpstart a population. They would not necessarily need the largest variety in genetics, just good wombs, as the genetic material can be supplied through a large number of frozen embryos.

A relatively small male population and some genetic screening of the entire crew would be wise in case there's a failure with the babybank to keep a healthy population through controlled breeding. Depending on how many you take with you though, long term health of the colony may become a problem in such a case when dealing with starting populations smaller than a thousand or so.

Thus my addition would be a large freezer to chuck the embryos in and a lab for implantation. Perhaps we can call it the no fun zone.

>>2374922

Downloaded? Got me there. But here are the best ones to pick up:

http://www.amazon.com/Living-Working-Sea-James-Miller/dp/1886699011

This is THE book about undersea living, written in the sixties. It's very dry and technical but it's exhaustively comprehensive and contains photos and illustrations of historical habitats (as well as the whole story of their depolyment) found nowhere else.

http://www.amazon.com/Ocean-Outpost-Underwater-Springer-Popular/dp/1441963561/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp
;s=books&qid=1295443017&sr=1-1

Much more recent, written by an Aquarius aquanaut, notable because it takes a next generation approach, explaining advanced technologies not yet used but in the pipeline, like accelerated biochemical assist decompression. If you want to know what new technologies will help us colonize the sea, this is your book.

http://www.amazon.com/Undersea-Colonies-Dennis-Chamberland/dp/1889422150/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=U
TF8&qid=1295442944&sr=1-1

This one's near to my heart, basically a blueprint of the actual plans to build a civilian undersea colony. It's written by Dennis Chamberland, the man behind the Atlantica Expeditions, which will be sinking a 4 man habitat in 2012 for a mission that I've been selected to be a part of.

http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Life-Kat-Falls/dp/0545178150/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=12954
43224&sr=1-1

This one's pure science fiction, but the best book I can recommend to ignite a passion for undersea colonization. It's written for young adults so don't expect anything terribly deep (hurr) but it's wonderfully put together and focuses on the social dynamics of early undersea settlements. It's also been optioned for film by Disney, so expect to see it in theaters in a few years.

>>2374936
I don't see why less than a thousand would be a problem. It wasn't many that migrated out of africa and here we are.

added ablative shielding to the front and whipple shield to the sides. Pusher plate can of course take care of itself.

>>2374939

Thank you very much.

>>2374944
It's a conservative number based on various sources that I've read to keep a genetically viable and healthy population for more than a couple dozen generation without introducing any new weaknesses. Mankind is individually indeed already more closely related compared to many other species, lets not worsen it.

a section with video games, movies, anime and such and i would board it while they build and dont leave till i die

>>2373911
Haha I stopped reading here, marry me.

>>2374960
decks 3 and 4

>>2373911
>sits five hundred years on his immortal ass waiting for the singularity while the ever multiplying fleet of Sci Orions conquer an expanding sphere of space, crowding out the flabby flatlanders.

UH HELLO?

ANYONE THINK OF PUTTING GELLER FIELDS IN THERE?

EVER HEARD OF THE WARP???

YEAH

Cant just assume its not there you know.

I mean, seriously, you didnt even try sending monkeys to this planet first- the last thing you want is half your crew turning into warp spawn before you even reach the planet.

To be honest I think I'd need a lifetime supply of all my favourite drugs so as I can escape the cold reality of dying in a metal tube floating lightyears from anything.

>>2374914

See this.
>>2373920

>>2375034

no one said anything about travelling through the warp.

ship dosnt even have a warp drive.

but i suppose one would never know the dangers lurking in the alternate dimensions of uncharted space.

>>2375034

Our ship uses reactive propulsion, not rip apart the fabric of space in order to take a shortcut through a semi-physical manifestation of hell.

No problems dude.

>>2375034

But that is a good point though.

Why didnt we send monkeys there in the first place?

Or even cows, so that when we get there we wouldnt have to rely on our hunter-gatherer skills honed through generations of hunting and gathering cheese burgers.

Someone should add in a Medical Bay or some sort of exercising area.

brb, designing awesome spaceship.

tada

>>2375291
yeah, I spent a hour in MSpaint, so what.

Well I guess I'll give it a shot.

Replaced orion drive with fusion plasma drive.
Also, a Bussard Ramscoop for gathering fuel (sized down, actual size would be far larger than the ship).

>>2375723

Bussard Ramjets produce more drag than thrust and this has been proven by Robert Zubrin and Dana Andrews.

You'd require, maybe, antimatter to annihilate the incoming Hydrogen, but that's not present-day and is therefore unusable within the scenario's boundaries like my MA.

Are small amounts of antimatter (a few hundred nanograms, perhaps) allowed?

>>2375723
>>2375738
let's call that picture "possible future designs"

you need to store genetics of terran microorganism, plant and animal live to make the new home habitable.
you don't know if the aliens are eddible

A bio-weapons lab. Having to share anything with xeno scum would suck.

I give you....
SIMULATED GRAVITY!!!

wut, nuclear powered? if you was to make it to another star you better make it antimatter powerd

>>2375723

MODERN TECHNOLOGY PLEASE, not something that is 50 years away.

>>2376807

You've put an axel straight down the middle of the bomb release shaft. Do you understand how nuclear pulse propulsion works?

>>2377451
>wut, nuclear powered? if you was to make it to another star...
as a cloud of cooling plasma...
>...you better make it antimatter powerd