/sci/ - Science & Math

lol stormfront's galileo

>>2367604
And it took what, 300 years for the Church to admit that Galileo was right?

Maybe with the power of the internet, and a little luck, the liberal religion will admit its mistakes within this century.

Ah huh.

Interesting, but is it really possible to make a completely non-biased and universal IQ tests?

>>2367592
If you assume that people were becoming smarter before the dawn of time, you've got to assume the same thing is still happening now. However politically incorrect it might be, logic prevails.

Australia is full of idiots.

50-55 iq is what was classically considered "mildly mentally retarded"

soooo... yeah....

His theory sounds a bit like it commits the same fallacies as Maslow's hierarchy of needs, for which coincidentally only maslow and a handful of other european intellectuals meet the requirements for self actualization.

Has Mr. Lahn found a reliable measure of cross-cultural intelligence? That'd be neat.

>>2367592
>Aboriginals

Seems about right.

>>2367616
>is it really possible to make a completely non-biased and universal IQ tests?

It's possible to make non-verbal IQ tests that consistently demonstrate differences among ethnic groups, regardless of the group of scientists that writes the test.

THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE NOT LETTING NATURAL SELECTION DO IT'S FUCKING JOB

Okay all we had to do was prop up some kind of organization in Africa, which rewarded smart people but dumb people did not do well in.

But nope, instead we're feeding them and letting them create more spawn that we'll have to feed too.

>>2367609
funny how this issue isn't at all associated with politics in my european country.
feels good not to be american (or british) and live in a country where racism, sexism and associated thinking are on the verge of disappearing.

>>2367676
I don't understand what you are trying to say, please learn English better.

>>2367676
Sweden? Fuck yeah

>>2367676
That's not surprising, since your country has no right to freedom of speech and discussing racial differences can bring fines and prison sentences.

The United States of America is unique in that you can actually do this sort of research if you want to.

>>2367728
>>2367728

Source on that image? What test was used?

The curves look differently on WAIS full scale IQ.

>>2367616
Though some commentaries give the impression of controversy regarding the importance of cognitive abilities and the validity of ability testing, the results of this survey clearly demonstrate that there are areas of resounding consensus among experts. Our results indicate that there is consensus among experts in the science of mental abilities that g is an important, non-trivial determinant (or at least predictor) of important real world outcomes for which there is no substitute, and that tests of g are valid and generally free from racial bias.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2008.03.007

>>2367728
Not really a good thing though. I mean, whats the point of knowing blacks on average have a lower IQ going to actually do?

This is why I hate leftards. Not only do their nonsensical political ideologies get in the way of economic progress but their bullshit causes scientific research to be either banned, halted (such as seen in Lahn's case), or fire-bombed (look up ALF for more details).

tltr Leftards are gay.

>>2367748
yet 91% of scientists in the US are liberals, in your little dichotomous world.

wonder why?

oh yeah, conservatards are too stupid to science.

social and economic reasons. No evidence of it being a race thing is available.

>>2367728
my country has as much freedom of speech as the US.
cultural isolation (guess who) and history (we have the inventor of the IQ test, but it's only after it was imported to the US that IQ suddenly became fixed and innate) have much more to do with your die-hard racism.

>>2367743

Provide a basis to start undoing the damage liberals have done to the cultural and racial makeup of America.

>>2367748

Anyone with a political agenda that might be affected by a scientific study, will try to shut down that study. Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative.

>>2367748
classifying or there by classifying yourself gets in the way of progress in general. If I'd be in any political party, it would be as an independent. I like some of the ideas of the left tards, and I like some of the ideas of a right tard. But I'll never say I'm one way or the other.

>>2367743
It helps us create social policies that will actually have success and not be horrendous failures.

Leftist policies based on the false assumption that everyone is equivalent are disasters. They require sacrificing free speech, free association, and the right to be treated fairly, all in an endless pursuit of this nonexistant racial equivalence that leftists have faith in. And after sacrificing so much what do we have to show for it? Crime goes up, income inequality gets worse, rights are constantly eroded, tax money is squandered and the tax burden of low and middle classes is far greater than it should be.

Policies aimed at forcing equal outcomes among people with unequal abilities are draconian nightmares. The only people who benefit from them are the wealthy parasitic classes.

>>2367770
>IQ suddenly became fixed and innate

Sup, Stephen Jay Gould's zombie?

This strawman didn't work out for you three decades ago, why do you think it would work now?

>>2367770
with your die-hard racism* and the fact that we don't have this shit around here i mean.

evidence, evidence, where's the scientific evidence?

>>2367794
i'm a big fan of him.

he's more of a Galileo than this Lahn who just confort you in your beliefs.

>>2367801
What is it you are asking for evidence of?

>Australia is full of idiots.
Quoted for truth

However in all seriousness IQ tests run into problems when different amounts of schooling has been applied to different examinees. Example: a lot of IQ tests include maths questions, which people who have never attended school will probably struggle with. Hence different countries or different ethnicities in ethnically divided enviroments having different average IQs is an obvious outcome.

Question is, if you take a bunch of new born whiteys darkies, have them grow up in the same enviorment and give them equal education, would any one group do better on average in an IQ test?

>uses IQ

he lost all his credit now

fucking bullshitters

>No data proving intelligence differences by race
gre, sat, asvab, act, cat, mcat, pcat, lsat, and gmat.

>>2367818

the statements in the OP. i just want to see if the science is valid.

>>2367827
Yes, the whites and asians will still tend to do better.

>>2367827
>if you take a bunch of new born whiteys darkies, have them grow up in the same enviorment and give them equal education, would any one group do better on average in an IQ test?
I'm glad you asked.

The heritability of intelligence is now well established from numerous adoption, twin, and family studies. Particularly noteworthy are the genetic contributions of around 80% found in adult twins reared apart. And most transracial adoption studies provide evidence for the heritability of racial differences in IQ. For instance, Korean and Vietnamese children adopted into white American and white Belgian homes were examined in studies by E.A. Clark and J. Hanisee, by M. Frydman and R. Lynn, and by M. Winick et al. Many had been hospitalized for malnutrition. But they went on to develop IQs ten or more points higher than their adoptive national norms. By contrast, the famous Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study marked black/white differences emerged by age 17 even though the black children had been reared in white middle-class families (Weinberg, Scarr & Waldman, 1992).

>>2367789
>income inequality gets worse, rights are constantly eroded, tax money is squandered and the tax burden of low and middle classes is far greater than it should be.

Those aren't leftist policies the right leads to that too.

>>2367842
The evidence is detailed in Bruce Lahn's peer reviewed paper on the subject. Search for it wherever you get your scientific journals from.

>>2367852

thanks anon, will do.

Y'all bakers be toasting in a roll bread.

>>2367757
>yet 91% of scientists in the US are liberals
[citation needed]

>>2367849
No, not at all.

Right wing policy is to spend less, lower taxes, and support traditional Western justice (equal treatment under the law, free speech, free association, property rights, etc.). Conservatives do not wish to engage in costly social engineering with no or even negative results such as the racial integration bussing which cost trillions but resulted in no narrowing of the gap between blacks and whites, or Section 8 housing which unleashes crime and poverty on nice neighborhoods with a huge bill for taxpayers.

>>2367852
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16151009

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16151010

and the WSJ article that distilled it for mere mortals,

http://online.wsj.com/public/article/SB115040765329081636-T5DQ4jvnwqOdVvsP_XSVG_lvgik_20060628.html

>>2367893

>>but resulted in no narrowing of the gap between blacks and whites

You're kidding, right? There are free black families now, living middle and upper class lives, sending their kids to college and shit. You may not want to admit it, but it's true. How is that not a narrowing of the gap?

>>2367794
Stephen Jay Gould was a pop-science hack who was never taken seriously by the scientific community. The only people ever dumb enough to fall for his garbage were mainstream liberals desperate to find something to cling to that made them feel secure in their faith-based belief system.

And yet he has been so thoroughly debunked that even mainstream retarded liberals do not cite his garbage anymore. They have since moved on, and the new pop-science hero of the left is Jared Diamond. You are like a relic from many decades ago.

http://www.debunker.com/texts/jensen.html

>>2367893
If it makes you feel better, the united states is far more conservative than the rest of the world

>>2367936

>>were mainstream liberals desperate to find something to cling to that made them feel secure in their faith-based belief system.

>>denigrative use of "liberal"

>>Instantly discredited

>>2367893

>rightwing
>free speech

It's like you guys can't remember last week.

>>2367927
There are and there always have been. And there are increasing numbers doing so, but there are also increasing numbers living off welfare and crack money in the ghetto, despite those people being the primary recipients of government support while the wealthier ones receive none, implying that even given the small bit of narrowing of the gap that exists the government's intervention plays a small role.

If I learned anything from this thread it's tha the same conservatives who deny being racist in public are openly racist when they believe they're anonymous on the internet.

Also, that they haven't given up on the dream of exterminating all nonwhite races.

Yet, there are more hispanics, negroes and muslims everywhere.
Fuck liberalism, European countries should deport those fucking illegal immigrants like Sweden is doing.

>>2367927
Those all existed _before_ forced integration and busing. The busing program resulted in absolutely no gains for the black community. Not even a little bit.

And yet leftist liberals, being delusional as they are, claimed that forced integration and busing would eliminate the achievement gap entirely! These are the kind of wildly inaccurate predictions people make when they are basing their policies on inaccurate faith-based presumptions, such as the faith in racial equivalence.

So trillions of dollars spent later the busing programs are mostly dead due to budget cuts. Everybody got screwed except the few wealthy people whose pockets those trillions were funneled into.

But that was the point all along. Liberal policies are, simply put, the means by which wealthy and powerful people can put a friendly happy spin on why they are robbing the peasant class. And exposing their lies about racial equality is the first step to stopping them.

>>2367943
Please, elaborate.

>>2367972

>>Those all existed _before_ forced integration and busing.

First of all, it wasn't forced on people who wanted it. Secondly, integration is a matter of civil rights. Whether or not they are less intelligent on average they are human beings entitled to the same rights as all other human beings.

What you don't get is that being malicious, actively malicious and seeking to oppress people makes you inferior to a well meaning but somewhat dim black person. I would take a thousand of them over one of you.

People in na came from mostly europe but don't have the same high score as euope. Same for the spaniards moving to sa. I think the info is probably wrong, not going to bother reading the thread

Bruce Lahn's research may be supported by another:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Philippe_Rushton

>>2367748

>>This is why I hate leftards. Not only do their nonsensical political ideologies get in the way of economic progress

Excuse me? Conservatives had the white house from 2000 to 2008 and made a gigantic fucking mess of the economy. And now, under a Democrat, it's recovering.

>>but their bullshit causes scientific research to be either banned, halted (such as seen in Lahn's case), or fire-bombed (look up ALF for more details).

Consveratives are the ones who deny evolution, the big bang, abiogenesis and so on. Conservatives are holding back electric cars, fuel cells, solar energy, wind energy, geothermal and so on. YOU are the ones opposing crucial technologies for the future, not us.

How exactly does insisting that all human beings have the same basic rights hold back science? And why do you hate technologies that are necessary in a post-oil world?

>>2367893
>Right wing policy is to spend less, lower taxes, and support traditional Western justice (equal treatment under the law, free speech, free association, property rights, etc.).
Thats the policy that gets them elected. Once they get into office, they spend a shit ton of government money by subsidizing business, military and everything you can imagine, rape your civil liberties in the name of national security and cut taxes periodically so they can get re-elected.

Last time there was a budget surplus was under Clinton, you should love that guy, fiscal responsibility out the ass and social welfare programs on top of that.

>>2367990
>>2367990
>First of all, it wasn't forced on people who wanted it.
It was forced on the entire nation. It was funded by taxpayers regardless of their consent. Schools were forcibly integrated. Not only did taxpayers have to pay for busing, they could not possibly avoid sending their children to those schools without withdrawing from public schools entirely.

>Secondly, integration is a matter of civil rights
What rights? The right to be able to beat up white kids and take their lunch money? The right to disrupt classes so children actually capable of learning are unable to?

>Whether or not they are less intelligent on average they are human beings entitled to the same rights as all other human beings.
I wish very much that liberals supported equal rights. Unfortunately they abandoned even the pretense of supporting equal rights long ago. They are only concerned with equal outcomes, and have no issues with racially discriminatory policies such as affirmative action intended to bring about equal outcomes.

I, personally, support equal rights. Which is why I find liberalism so reprehensible and feel the need to expose its lies.

>>2367990
>What you don't get is that being malicious, actively malicious and seeking to oppress people makes you inferior to a well meaning but somewhat dim black person. I would take a thousand of them over one of you.

The only malicious people here are you and your fellow liberals. Liberals are motivated by a hatred of White people. This is why liberals support policies which are destructive and biased against white people, regardless of the impact they will have on Blacks.

You yourself are here defending the forced busing program that wasted trillions for zero gains. Black people simply did not benefit from it at all. So why defend it? Because it achieved the leftist goal of harming white people. It stole a great deal of money from white taxpayers and ruined a lot of good schools making it harder for whites to get a decent education.

Another good example is what liberals did to Rhodesia. Millions of black people are starving now in Zimbabwe due to the end of white rule. So how can you claim the destruction of Rhodesia was truly motivated by a concern for the welfare of blacks? The goal again was to harm whites, not help blacks at all. This is a consistent theme across all liberal policies.

>>2367765
The heritability of intelligence is now well established from numerous adoption, twin, and family studies. Particularly noteworthy are the genetic contributions of around 80% found in adult twins reared apart. And most transracial adoption studies provide evidence for the heritability of racial differences in IQ. For instance, Korean and Vietnamese children adopted into white American and white Belgian homes were examined in studies by E.A. Clark and J. Hanisee, by M. Frydman and R. Lynn, and by M. Winick et al. Many had been hospitalized for malnutrition. But they went on to develop IQs ten or more points higher than their adoptive national norms. By contrast, the famous Minnesota Transracial Adoption Study marked black/white differences emerged by age 17 even though the black children had been reared in white middle-class families (Weinberg, Scarr & Waldman, 1992).

>>2368052

>>It was forced on the entire nation.

Wrong.

>>It was funded by taxpayers regardless of their consent.

But many did consent, therefore you lied when you said it was forced on the entire nation.

>>Schools were forcibly integrated.

Yes, so? Are you pro-oppression?

>>Not only did taxpayers have to pay for busing, they could not possibly avoid sending their children to those schools without withdrawing from public schools entirely.

Yes, so? They shouldn't have wanted to send their children to different schools in the first place. If they're racist, that's their problem, nobody elses.

>>What rights? The right to be able to beat up white kids and take their lunch money?

What about when white students do that to black students? You think that never happens?

>>The right to disrupt classes so children actually capable of learning are unable to?

You think white children never do this?

>>2368038
>Excuse me? Conservatives had the white house from 2000 to 2008 and made a gigantic fucking mess of the economy.
That's because of all the social policies they had to pay for and starting a stupid war. Don't worry they are as retarded as your leftards. Also keep in mind the US has a trade deficit thanks to all the leftard whining and taxing which lead to manufacturing industry leaving to China.
>And now, under a Democrat, it's recovering.
Lol, no. In fact this dumbass leader of yours gave a huge bailout that only made the deficit worse. And what recovery? You mean the increase in joblessness every year?
>Consveratives are the ones who deny evolution, the big bang, abiogenesis and so on. Conservatives are holding back electric cars, fuel cells, solar energy, wind energy, geothermal and so on.
And you guess bomb medical test facilities for doing animal testing.
YOU are the ones opposing crucial technologies for the future, not us.
I don't vote republican. I hate conservatards just as much as the next rational person.
>How exactly does insisting that all human beings have the same basic rights hold back science?
Yeah because this research was really all about that.
>And why do you hate technologies that are necessary in a post-oil world?
The fuck are you spouting, you're the dumbest leftard I've run into yet.

>>I wish very much that liberals supported equal rights.

We do.

>>Unfortunately they abandoned even the pretense of supporting equal rights long ago.

Wrong.

>>They are only concerned with equal outcomes, and have no issues with racially discriminatory policies such as affirmative action intended to bring about equal outcomes.

All of which were necessary because people like you were determined to undermine equal opportunity policies wherever possible.

>>I, personally, support equal rights. Which is why I find liberalism so reprehensible and feel the need to expose its lies.

No, you don't. You are a Nazi, and deserve what the rest of you shitstains got in WW2.

>>2368038
>Excuse me? Conservatives had the white house from 2000 to 2008 and made a gigantic fucking mess of the economy.
That's because of all the social leftist policies they had to pay for and starting a stupid war. Don't worry they are as retarded as your leftards. Also keep in mind the US has a trade deficit thanks to all the leftard whining and taxing which lead to manufacturing industry leaving to China.
>And now, under a Democrat, it's recovering.
Lol, no. In fact this dumbass leader of yours gave a huge bailout that only made the deficit worse. And what recovery? You mean the increase in joblessness every year?
>Consveratives are the ones who deny evolution, the big bang, abiogenesis and so on. Conservatives are holding back electric cars, fuel cells, solar energy, wind energy, geothermal and so on.
And you guys bomb medical research facilities for doing animal testing.
>YOU are the ones opposing crucial technologies for the future, not us.
I don't vote republican. I hate conservatards just as much as the next rational person.
>How exactly does insisting that all human beings have the same basic rights hold back science?
Yeah because this research was really all about that.
>And why do you hate technologies that are necessary in a post-oil world?
The fuck are you spouting, you're the dumbest leftard I've run into yet.

>>2368069
>Are you pro-oppression?
Forced integration is oppressive. I support the right to free association. People should be able to integrate if they want, or choose not to if that is what they prefer.

Why do you hate freedom?

>>2368038
>economy. And now, under a Democrat, it's recovering.

>>2368050

the surplus was a lie, clueless sheep

Before this discussion goes on any further, anyone previously referring to the weirdass version of American liberals as leftists should refrain from doing so, as it makes you look like a Fox News patsy

>>2368080

>>That's because of all the social leftist policies they had to pay for and starting a stupid war.

Yes, the war was stupid and your fault. Glad you admit it.

>>Don't worry they are as retarded as your leftards.

Hey, you're the one who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old.

>>Also keep in mind the US has a trade deficit thanks to all the leftard whining and taxing which lead to manufacturing industry leaving to China.

Ahahaha, really? So it had nothing to do with reregulation of industry permitting outsourcing to China where labor costs are lower and there are no environmental regulations? How the fuck do you blame that on the left?

>>Lol, no. In fact this dumbass leader of yours gave a huge bailout that only made the deficit worse. And what recovery? You mean the increase in joblessness every year?

The recovery we're currently in. Read the fucking news. And I don't mean infowars or Fox Nation.

>>And you guys bomb medical research facilities for doing animal testing.

And you bomb abortion clinics, shoot abortion doctors, gun down immigrants (pittsburg shooter) and unitarian churches (Jim adkisson) etc. etc.

>>I don't vote republican. I hate conservatards just as much as the next rational person.

I can't tell any difference between you and a conservative to be honest.

>>Yeah because this research was really all about that.

Answer the question, dipshit.

>>The fuck are you spouting, you're the dumbest leftard I've run into yet.

I know this is difficult for your tiny inferior mind to grasp, but we're running out of oil. And the technologies necessary to live in a post-oil world have consistently been promoted by the left, and held back by the right.

>>2368096
That's true we should refer to them as idiots with no concept of economics.

>>2368090
The surplus is a lie

>>2368050
The Republican party is very similar to modern Liberalism as a whole. They exist primarily to make excuses for pursuing policies that are beneficial to the wealthy at the expense of average people. They differ from liberals only in what sort of excuses they prefer to use.

Ron Paul is a traditional conservative and he supports none of those things.

>>2368104
Mostly agree.

>>2368088

>>mfw conservatives are inferior subhuman garbage creatures

>>2368107

>>Ron Paul is a traditional conservative and he supports none of those things.

There are still Ron Paul supporters? Wow.

>>2367592

Erm... so this map shows only that indigenous people in various countries may have less access to quality education, either because there is no quality education or because of perceived barriers between the indigenous communities and the education they need.

>>2368096
>leftist detected

>>2368107
Ron Paul doesn't suck. He isn't anywhere near my idea political spectrum, but that to me is really important.

>>2368104

>>That's true we should refer to them as idiots with no concept of economics.

And conservatives should henceforth be referred to as primitive, backwards bumfuck yokels who think evolution is a hoax.

>>2368098
>>2368098
>Hey, you're the one who thinks the Earth is 6000 years old.
No I don't, I'm an athiest.
>Ahahaha, really? So it had nothing to do with reregulation of industry permitting outsourcing to China where labor costs are lower and there are no environmental regulations? How the fuck do you blame that on the left?
Because you're the faggots that impose regulation on business.
>The recovery we're currently in. Read the fucking news. And I don't mean infowars or Fox Nation.
Yep only a leftard would think this is a recovery. See pic.

>>2368121
Sure.

>>2368098
>your tiny inferior mind
Ah, the irony of a leftist using this as an insult in a thread about the lower intellectual prowess of his prized Negro pets.

>>2368127

>>No I don't, I'm an athiest.

Then why can't you spell it correctly?

>Because you're the faggots that impose regulation on business.

And you're the faggot who thinks businesses should be unregulated.

>Yep only a leftard would think this is a recovery. See pic.

Cleaning up after your mess has been expensive, I don't deny that.

>>2367592
Americans are descendants of Europeans. Despite this they don't seem to share intelligence with Europeans. China has a lot of country folk who shouldn't be much smarter than usual people in the US. Indians made large achievements in developing basic mathematics and even today Indians who have no formal education in computer science or mathematics are developing powerful algorithms. This suggests to me that almost all IQ by country maps based upon biased samples.

>>2368135

>>Ah, the irony of a leftist using this as an insult in a thread about the lower intellectual prowess of his prized Negro pets.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

"The short answer: Kanazawa's paper shows that more-intelligent people are more likely to say they are liberal. They are also less likely to say they go to religious services. These aren't entirely new findings; last year, for example, a British team found that kids with higher intelligence scores were more likely to grow into adults who vote for Liberal Democrats, even after the researchers controlled for socioeconomics. What's new in Kanazawa's paper is a provocative theory about why intelligence might correlate with liberalism. He argues that smarter people are more willing to espouse "evolutionarily novel" values — that is, values that did not exist in our ancestral environment, including weird ideas about, say, helping genetically unrelated strangers (liberalism, as Kanazawa defines it), which never would have occurred to us back when we had to hunt to feed our own clan and our only real technology was fire."

>>2368138
Did you even look at that chart, notice the spike that Obama left on the debt during the beginning of his administration. Though I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't interpret graphs.

>>2368142
We should also consider that some of these maps are nothing else than political propaganda, intended to stoke fears against China as some sort of "high-intelligent predator" while at the other side justifying western behavior against "dumber" nations. After all this wouldn't be the first time people try to justify the behavior against other nations by penis measuring contests.

>>2368154

>>I wouldn't be surprised if you couldn't interpret graphs.

That reminds me, how the fuck are you reading this? Conservatives can't read or write for shit. Did you hire a liberal to dictate it to you and then transcribe your replies?

>>2368009
>>2368142
Liberals. Why are they so stupid that they can't even read a simple map which clearly says indigenous peoples?

Liberals are the type of people who are so dumb, they cannot even understand the limits of their own knowledge. These people actually think they have valid opinions and should be allowed to vote.

>>2368169
Butthurt is strong with this one.

Can't come up with a viable argument, huh? I guess all you can do is resort to insults to give the impression that you can argue.

>>2368173

>>Liberals are the type of people who are so dumb, they cannot even understand the limits of their own knowledge.

I see you've dismissed the study showing that liberals are smarter than conservatives posted here: >>2368149

Why doesn't it surprise me that a conservative ignores evidence that contradicts their preferred reality?

>>2368173
LOL, It's so fucking true.

>>2368175

Hypocrisy is strong with this one. Forgot you did the same fucking thing literally one post earlier, did you? >>2368173

>>2368180

Conservatives:

Told [ ]
Super told [ ]
Toldasaurus Rex [x]

>>2368187
Thinks that was me. Only a liberal would be this dumb, pic related.

9% of US scientists are conservatives.

6% are Republicans.

not sure why conservatives haven't caught on to their own stupid yet, they're the only ones overlooking it.

http://people-press.org/report/528/

>>2367592
>Europe smarter than US
Stopped reading there.

>>2368193

...Said the mentally stunted conservative trash that isn't worth the fuel necessary to incinerate him.

>>2367816

oh lawd, i tried two times to post st0rmfr0nt's nightmare before realizing that a new autoban on the corresponding word just came up.

let my try again OP.

>>2368193

it's true though, you have to protect the economy from greedy corporations, monopolies, and industries that destroy the environment or harm people

sometimes you need to regulate the economy to keep it free

just like fucken Net Neutrality, we need laws to prohibit internet providers from selectively controlling bandwidth.

learn some basic political science retard anon.

>>2367816

oh lawd, i tried two times to post st0rmfront's nightmare before realizing that a new autoban on the corresponding word just came up.

let my try again OP.

Stormfr0nt's nightmaaaaaaaaaaaaaare

>>2368149
This is something called pop-science or pseudoscience. It appeals to liberals who want to reinforce their beliefs, but are dismally unintelligent.

In fact, you did not even read that article. This is the true level of intelligence of liberals such as yourself. You are barely even literate and try to avoid reading, and you accept headlines as conclusive proof as long as they agree with you.

An excerpt from the article:
>But self-identification is often misleading; do kids really know what it means to be liberal? The GSS data are instructive here: Kanazawa found that more-intelligent GSS respondents (as measured by a quick but highly reliable synonym test) were less likely to agree that the government has a responsibility to reduce income and wealth differences. In other words, intelligent people might like to portray themselves as liberal. But in the end, they know that it's good to be the king.

As you can see more intelligent people are actually more likely to hold conservative beliefs. They say they are liberal as that is the dominant ideology of our current society. So what this study proves is that intelligent people are more likely to understand what the current dominant ideology is and pay respects to it to increase their own social status.

Likewise scientists in the Soviet Union agreed with Lysenkoism, scientists in Iran agree with Islam, and scientists in China agree with communism. Intelligent people simply know the right thing to say when asked leading questions like "do you agree with [dominant political ideology]?".

>>2368205
Said the brain dead liberal dunce after he/she clearly acted like a dumb ass and should have shut the fuck up accordingly

What people don't write about and discuss is that the average IQ of Democrats is lower than the IQ of Independents, Non-Voters and definitely lower than Republicans. Yes, categorically.

Those are the facts. Many studies have been done on non-voters level of income and education; non-voters match independents exactly.

To recapitulate: The Republican average IQ is higher than non-voters and independents and all three are higher than the Democratic average IQ.

http://phillips.blogs.com/goc/2007/04/democrats_iq.html

Northern Canadians are generally smarter than those from the U.S.A.

>mfw

>>2368223
http://www.ziplink.net/~bright/papers/rushton.html

>Hailed in the popular media as the definitive deconstruction of the 'myth' that science is an objective enterprise, the original The Mismeasure of Man was in fact an ad hominem attack on eminent scholars, past and present, who have scientifically studied race, intelligence, and brain size. Despite the masses of empirical research using state-of-the-art technology published in highly prestigious journals that refute the obscurantist arguments Gould first served up in 1981, all the chapters of the initial edition have now been unapologetically regurgitated. Gould's failure not only to conduct any empirical research of his own but to even acknowledge the existence of any and all contradictory data speaks for itself.

>>2368149
>>2368191
>>2368180
The sad thing is, you people are so retarded you would not pass the 10th grade literacy test in Canada.

The article makes it very clear that people _say_ they are liberal when asked, and that this is not the same as actually being liberal. It even italicized say in "more likely to /say/ they are liberal" to emphasize it.

But when we get to actual facts we see things like over 90% of black people supporting liberal policies, while their IQ is a full standard deviation lower than Whites. Whites are far more conservative and coincidentally have higher IQs.

ITT conservatives tell intelligent people that they only pretend to be liberal for convenience.

the argument fails though when we aren't just liberal, we're also openly atheists, one of the most feared and hated demographics in the nation.

somehow I don't think we're gonna call ourselves liberals for the benefits it brings and also handicap ourselves by announcing our atheism.

but then that might be a bit complex for a conservative to understand.

ok ok. basically if all these datas are right and american scientifics discover intelligence is based in races and ethnicies. and all these parahraphs are correct thats only mean
every one of these data are made with dumb redneck who access to the scientific spheres thanks tyo republican living mummies trying make the ameriac science useless and collapse the last resort of smart american people?
PD: sorry for my bad english for people who dont talk english as first language try write in english is like write in caveman language.

IT CANNOT BE!

>>2368282
No, most liberals are retarded. In this thread for example self-described liberals have demonstrated a startling lack of intelligence, low reading comprehension, and general illiteracy.

Don't confuse yourself with intelligent people just because they claim to be liberal when asked directly and you yourself have a personal faith in liberalism. What is relevant is the actual policies intelligent people support. For example:

>Kanazawa found that more-intelligent GSS respondents (as measured by a quick but highly reliable synonym test) were less likely to agree that the government has a responsibility to reduce income and wealth differences.

http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1968042,00.html

Intelligent people are actually less likely to agree with policies of wealth redistribution. This puts their beliefs in line with my own, not yours at all.

>>2368313
problem is the data are contaminated with socioeconomic variables that aren't controlled.

I'm not saying there isn't a genetic basis for intelligence, I'm just saying your little chart is meaningless for finding it, and you should die in a fire if you can't understand that.

>>2368282
>ITT conservatives tell intelligent people ...
You aren't intelligent at all. And you are not one of the respondents in that survey if that is what you are trying to imply.

>>2368318
>liberals
>wealth redistribution
>MFW amerifats have no idea what "liberal" means

>>2368319
How do you explain the fact that Black students from families with incomes of $80,000 to $100,000 score considerably lower on the SAT than White students from families with $20,000 to $30,000 incomes? How do you explain why social class factors, all taken together, only cut the Black-White achievement gap by a third? Culture-only theory cannot predict these facts; often its predictions are opposite to the empirical results.

>>2368266
reading on the reception of this now forgotten book in the US was a huge wtf moment from my innocent cultural coccoon (Gould is well known here, but more for his biology books).

the APA is one huge monument of bullshit decorated with academic titles.

>>2368318
>No, most liberals are retarded.

Of course, just as most people in general are retarded. My point wasn't that liberals in general are intelligent, but that intelligent people in general are liberal. I find it telling that you'd conflate the sets.

Don't confuse yourself with intelligent people just because they claim to be liberal when asked directly and you yourself have a personal faith in liberalism. What is relevant is the actual policies intelligent people support. For example:

>Intelligent people are actually less likely to agree with policies of wealth redistribution. This puts their beliefs in line with my own, not yours at all.

Social politics and fiscal politics can differ. I tend to prefer a conservative capitalistic economy with some social programs to prevent suffering and take care of the indigent. Rand was a bitch, and antisocial as well, though she understood that inequality moves things.

however on social and religious issues you and I may not find any common ground. and it's on social issues that you'll lose intelligent people almost every time. We aren't as afraid as conservatives, it's a side-effect of intelligence.

>>2368330
>How do you explain the fact...

I don't explain it. read my comment again. I wasn't arguing with you're basic point, just noting that that graph doesn't support it.

And that your an idiot if you think it does.

i cant understand why if white people is more intelligent than black people blacks still outsmarting withies stealing their good in front of them and still take advantage of their infraestructure better than themselves. and why the scoial inadecuate rednecks. the lowets class of withies cant make functional societies like black gang members. minorities outsmart white people in almost any aspect of the american society excluding these sectors blocked by racism. be smart dont mean you reada lot and have more culture based knowlegment. be smart is survive and outsmart others.

They seem of normal intelligence to me... for what they are.

>>2368388
the same can be said of you.

and often is.

I wonder if the graphs regarding racial IQ differences is somewhat skewed according to the portion of the population that reproduces the most.

Could it be that blacks are more likely to select for physical features than intelligence?

>>2368394
Good then.

I feel proud to be white.

The iq's of various races are all within a standard deviation of the mean.

Meaning you're probably more likely to find a more significant difference between you and your neighbor (no matter their race) than you and the average <insert minority here>.

Most of you here just seem to want to use it as an excuse for justifying racism or something.

How is it ok to admit that certain races have physical genetic advantages in speed, strength, height on average when you can't say the same about intelligence? Last I checked, the brain is a physical thing as well and nobody educated on earth will doubt the brain is effected by genetic factors. The truth may sound racist but we can clearly see on average that Asians are the shortest race but we can see from all statistics they are the smartest. Nobody here is saying whites are the smartest, just that blacks are the dumbest.

> How is it ok to admit that certain races have physical genetic advantages in speed, strength, height on average when you can't say the same about intelligence? Last I checked, the brain is a physical thing as well and nobody educated on earth will doubt the brain is effected by genetic factors. The truth may sound racist but we can clearly see on average that Asians are the shortest race but we can see from all statistics they are the smartest. Nobody here is saying whites are the smartest, just that blacks are the dumbest.

you really understand how brains works?
its not about you have bigger head (hidrocephalic people have big heads and somethimes they have metal issues) its about how neourones comunicate between each other information routes and how your receptors work. its better you stop talking without basis about something you cant understand.

>>2368439
East Asians and Whites have MORE neurons, better wired ones, and they are more efficient. You want to eat your words now, you cunt?

>East Asians and Whites have MORE neurons, better wired ones, and they are more efficient. You want to eat your words now, you cunt?

really you count your own neurones with your own hands? lol now understand why you have this level of discussion

>>2368431
That's the problem with egalitarians. They are a religious faith who spite science with their PC garbage and destroy all data they see fit to try and make it conform to their delusional rose coloured world views. They are scum destroying science.

>>2368462
>thinks neurologists measure neurons with their hands

Yeah, I'm done talking with butthurt darkies who have to keep pulling straws.

I'm going to settle this once and for all


Ashkenazi > East Asian > European Whites > Other Caucasians > Blacks

>>2368353
>your an idiot
It was troll all along...

now what fancy race do you think wrote this fancy poem that i was recently sent on youtube

>>2368488
LOL

How did that happen?

My IQ being 130 and way above average the only thing I see when I look around is a bunch of apes incapable of anything but the most basic thoughts, thinking past their own small sphere of influence.

People from the 100 iq average continents with their supposedly higher IQs would not behave any different if they had to live in the circumstances of the below 100 countries.

So the conclusion is that the test used is not adapted to the education of people outside the first world and a persons iq is depending on ones environment.

Basically it all comes down to the hierarchy of needs.

well this fucking bitch started trolling on fucking dio's holy diver video and i wrote her and told her to shut the fuck up and to stop being a cunt ,and i received this nice little poem from her that is full of totally misspelled words and grammatical errors.

>>2368488
Talk about bix nood.

>>2368502
did you send it back corrected and full of racial epitaphs questioning her genetic stock like a good anon?

Every miserable fool who has nothing at all of which he can be proud, adopts as a last resource pride in the nation to which he belongs; he is ready and happy to defend all its faults and follies tooth and nail, thus reimbursing himself for his own inferiority.

>>2368533
Good thing we're not talking about nations then.

>>2367773
>Anyone with a political agenda that might be affected by a scientific study, will try to shut down that study. Left or Right, Liberal or Conservative.
Only the assholes. "True" liberals are not afraid of scientific truth. If that's what the evidence says, then that's what the evidence says.

Unfortunately, most people who say this shit are completely fucking full of it.

Seriously, ~50 average IQ? ~70 is retarded and barely functional. I can't even imagine a society of 50s. The aboriginals of /any/ country cannot be that retarded and still be alive.

Bunch of bigots in here.

>>2367893
>Right wing policy is to spend less, lower taxes, and support traditional Western justice
Not in the US. They have problems with torture, freedom of speech, and freedom from religion, generally the basics of western values which originated from the Enlightenment.

>>2367794
Stephen Jay Gould is a genius in many ways. However, he also invented NOMA, which is entirely bullshit, so his objectivity needs to be questioned.

>>2368112
I'm also a Ron Paul supporter, for the most part. I think he might be a little too extreme laissez faire, but he's spot on for civil liberties.

>>2368551
Same old butthurt lib, I see.

Angry that conservatives want to lower taxes?

>>2368330
>How do you explain the fact that Black students from families with incomes of $80,000 to $100,000 score considerably lower on the SAT than White students from families with $20,000 to $30,000 incomes? How do you explain why social class factors, all taken together, only cut the Black-White achievement gap by a third? Culture-only theory cannot predict these facts; often its predictions are opposite to the empirical results.
If you think that racism no longer exists in America, you need a reality check. Simply by virtue of being black, that's a huge penalty right there which is quite hard to account for, if at all.

I know that's somewhat of a cop-out, but your argument that all that matters is parent's income is also trash.

>>2368563
>Angry that conservatives want to lower taxes?
I don't know enough economic theory to have a sufficiently detailed conversation with you on 4chan.

I do know that the republicans to a larger extent support torture, religion in the state, less freedom of speech, and other basic values from the Enlightenment.

About the only thing the Republicans have going for them is gun rights. There the democrats are retarded.

>>2368546
>"True" liberals are not afraid of scientific truth. If that's what the evidence says, then that's what the evidence says.

seriously. i love the stormfaggots in this thread acting like they're champions for scientific principles and freethinking. this is the only subject you'd ever hear them speaking up about. fuck this "unyielding search for truth" nonsense. what a hypocritical load of bullshit.

also, fuck the way people are accusing liberals specifically of this anti-racial-differences belief. there's no rule implicit in the definition of "liberalism" that says that you have to follow such a belief. it's a separate idea. just like the fact that being a conservative doesn't automatically make you a racist, close-minded fucktard. it's only a few retarded conservatives that jump on this bandwagon of ideological horde-mentality - "us vs them".

From a philosophical perspective, the entire problem with this issue is that the burden of proof has been misplaced. It is not up to the "racists" to show that humans are neurologically diverse. It is up to the libfags to show that they are neurologically identical.

Of course they have seldom even started to try, and when they have they tend to fail. Typically, the Gould-Rose-Lewontin crowd's approach is to postulate a theoretical mechanism by which the observed facts could be explained without reference to human biodiversity, and demand that their opponents disprove this mechanism. Once you know the game, however, there is no reason to play it. Everyone from Rushton and Jensen to Shockley and Watson has been put in the position of a 15th-century atheist, from whom the faithful demand proof that God does not exist.

The doctrine of human neurological uniformity is the Russell's teapot of our time, and as its hierophants engage in more and more stereotypical theocratic behavior the parallel grows harder and harder to conceal.

>>2368710
Well, I as a classical Enlightenment liberal am not claiming that the races have equal IQ distributions or equal intelligence. I don't have solid evidence supporting that proposition.

Well, maybe I do. The actual DNA differences between humans is less than that between dogs, or between different chimps, so I think that's at least tolerable evidence that any actual differences of race and ethnicity are much more likely to be environment than genetic.

This thread is a fucking joke, /sci/. Get over yourselves.

The underlying assumption here that should really be argued against is that differences between the races justifies racism.

If you argue against that you do not even have to address the scientific findings of differences.

The real argument is this:

Do average differences in intelligence in between populations of people, that correlate with location, superficial differences in appearance, and heritage justify treating entire groups differently.

How much of differences in intelligence should there be before we consider a group eligible for different treatment?

How should they be treated differently?

Is it okay to treat the smartest of a group, who are smarter than the average in another group, differently?

Regardless of what differences actually exist, these are the real questions that need to be answered.

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Yeah and they said not caging those guys would be a good idea.

Find a genetic trait that makes Africans run faster = no one objects
Find a trait that makes any group more intelligent = labeled a racist and stripped of your credentials.

Why is this thread allowed to continue in /sci/? Why when I posted in it telling them to take it out of /sci/ did I get banned for it?

>>2368777
So you're implying it would be a good idea? How about also caging fat people, ugly people, women, dwarves, red-headed people? All these types of people often have (mostly subconscious) bias against them, and these biases affect how successful they are in life. Without solid proof that they are actually different regardless of this bias against them, this thread is wasting peoples time.

>>2368789
I was referring to the board that got deleted. Seriously stuff like this shouldn't be here

>>2368778
Why the hell does everyone ignore this? You liberals are all delusional

Hey /new, yeah you fucktards who cling to political labels. Get out and go to /b

"People who boast about their I.Q. are losers."

Stephen Hawking.

>>2368723

Everyone reverts back to this DNA based argument.

It doesn't make any sense. There is no correlation. If anything, saying that there is less difference between human groups than between groups of dogs highlights the large differences a little variety makes.

>>2368771

As someone in total agreement with the OP's side, I say no different treatment and equal rights.

I'm fucking fed up with the blind approach society takes to these matters. They are unpleasant and because of this, we ignore them.

It touches the same nerve as the grammar nazi when he sees your instead of you're.

There are some studies that will forever be off limits and rightfully so... Like intelligence between races.

Running speed and dick size between races, however, is fair game. u mad?

>>2369007
There's no conclusive documentation on dick size either.

>>2367592
Botswana, get your shit together!

if we start large scale sperm trading, exporting high IQ sperm all over the 3rd world, we can raise the average IQ by a lot.

liberals are all about equality, well this is a sure fire way to do it, peacefully.

>People agains it
Americunts because they can't accept that Europe is better.
>People in favor
Everybody else

>>2369028
pure speculation...i suspect Africa may have something to say about it too

who's dr.lahn?
a big bang character or something?

>>2368841
they ignore it because it's the perfect checkmate.

>>2369014
yet human races vary in physical shape and size. average hand and feet size vary between ethnicities. why would dick size not be affected by this? to be honest, it makes no logical sense that it doesn't.

>>2369055
>who's dr.lahn?
According to OP, he is a Chinese man who proposed that Chinese people have the highest average Indigenous IQ

jesus this board is in need of a janitor

Nothing like this shit that OP posted has ANY place in science.

>>2369096
what is the difference between a mod and a janitor?

what can mods do that janitors cant?

>>2368056
holy fuck I really wish new didn't get axed cause this fucking bulllshit is going to be spreading over all the forums now. The fact is the differences exist but so what, its a matter of human rights and blaming societies problems solely on a single group of people is just not a good route to be going down. It does not lead to a better, more functional society, it leads to conflict which is mutually destructive.

>>2369096
>jesus this board is in need of a janitor
I disagree
This board is VERY slow compared to others I frequent - You could easily start your own threads about relevant science without fear of them being banished to page 15 immediately.

tl;dr start threads or stfu

>>2369110
http://www.4chan.org/faq#whojan

>>2369110

janitors are anonymous and they just delete shit posts like this one

>>2369114
thanx

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>middle east
>used to be intellectual capital of the world
>average IQ 85

>>2369112
>holy fuck I really wish new didn't get axed cause this fucking bulllshit
why is is "bullshit"? why are you unwilling to talk about certain issues? how does it feel being part of the diversity cult? you know, you people are no different than creationists.

what to do with op

>>2369096

It doesn't even have a place in engineering. This 'knowledge' comes to absolutely no practical applications. I'm all for ending foreign aid too, but the fact that the people getting the aid aren't very smart is completely irrelevant.

I have an Asian buddy (Han Chinese) and although he has been on the highest possible educational level all his life he doesn't come across like a designer, a builder. No originality or imagination at all. That's why these people will never excel at fields like computer science. Discussion about IQ is necessary in science, but not always applicable.

>>2368313
The US scored much lower, this graph contains noticeable amounts of nonsense.

>>2369228
Only when you include the Bible Belt.

>>2369999
That is 85% of America. Feels bad man.

mfw Hispanics are not a genetically homogeneous race, hence including them in these "Iq Test" seems retarded.

Funny how all you bitch about stupid people. Yet they're the ones breeding, are you? Ofcourse not. Too busy trying to act like you're better then everybody else. That's why Darwinism has nothing to do with intelligence and everything to do with GETTING SHIT DONE!!!

Pseudo intellectuals piss me off way more then people who are just plain dumb. Ignorance can be excused, self righteous bullshit cannot. You're not that fucking smart. Or else you'd be engineering a death ray, curing cancer, or making lots and lots of money sitting on your ass. I'm not doing any of those things either, but you don't see me making fun of people who know less then I do, do you? Because knowing hasn't helped me make my life better, therefore it's not real knowledge.

That should be the aim of science. To make people's lives, especially your own, BETTER. And destroy the fags and moderators that stand in your way.

>>2370062
and to prove the point to go so far as to make fun of those smarter than you and I.

Well played. Bravo.
Our new names are, 'dipstick' & 'doorknob'.
I'll even give you dibs.

suggesting one can not live a fulfilled and happy life doing things outside your narrow scope of imagination is a little insulting though. You sting me.

>>2370116
You do realize that he is a self proclaimed professional troll, don't you?

>>2370119
you do realize i am trying to save our healthy troll populations?
They are an endangered species and in need of our respect and tender care.
they are the guard dogs of this land and bring much merriment.

i will feed them when i can

>>2370139
Carry on then.

Fucking /sci/, let's have conversations about WHAT to do with the world instead of debating these fucking retarded ideals. Put your brainpower together to decide what to do with people with lower iqs. REALISTIC solutions.

I think we can all agree that some areas have lower iqs. But we can also agree that they're human and it's completely impossible to exterminate them. If /sci/ could have interesting debates over what to do instead of arguing using the same 10 repeated points over and over and over again, these race/iq topics can be more varied and actually educational.

>>2370179
Realistically. Education.

>>2370179
IQ is pretty pointless really. There are people with high IQ who are dumb because they do not get an education. I think the first step in solving a lot of problems is to increase education, then let those fuckers solve the problem themselves.
While we are on the subject I think the school system is poor, and for me at least, the first 10 years were pretty much a waste where I learnt very little, and a large portion of the teachers knew little also. This period of the education system is just seen as day care.

Best way to determine whether racist faggots believe in science or are just stormfaggots.

Unlimited immigration for high-IQ people. This includes elite Africans and Asians.

IQ/g usually predicts major life outcomes better than does any other single predictor in broad samples of individuals. For example, whether IQ predicts strongly (educational performance) or weakly (law-abidingness), it predicts better than does social class background.

Gottfredson, L. S. (2006). Social consequences of group differences in cognitive ability (Consequencias sociais das diferencas de grupo em habilidade cognitiva). In C. E. Flores-Mendoza & R. Colom (Eds.), Introducau a psicologia das diferencas individuais (pp. 433-456). Porto Allegre, Brazil: ArtMed Publishers.

>>2370297
not really. multiculturalism does not usually work seamlessly. the asian immigrants will naturally try to build up a "chinatown" within a nation.

high iq africans will be absent.

>>2370320
Sure is assumptions all up in this.

If you noticed, Chinatowns are almost always poorer and with immigrants. Mobile chinese people move up and assimilate.

Same shit happened with the Japanese. They are probably the most assimilated non-white group.

The US has been multicultural for all of its life anyways. Euro immigrants = different cultures.

my fucking ass asians are smarter than whites. i just got back from the DMV to renew my registration at a self service kiosk. some flip took 15 fucking minutes to do a process that only took everyone else less than 3

>>2370356
>Flips
>Asians

choose one

>>2370369
all asians. using flips as an example fucktards

>>2370386
LOLOL YEA IF ASIANS ARE SO SMART HOW COME THEY SUKC AT SPEAKING ENGLISH

>>2370356
the smart ones are the east asians (china korea japan)

>>2367765
yeah right, lol. just look what happens when whites leave an african country, they turn to shit. america will turn to shit as the hispanics become more powerful. its gonna be funny seeing the liberals not knowing how to feel about hispanics killing blacks.

I find it funny that dog breeds are more intelligent, athletic then one another, but nobody wants to argue the possibility that there is a hierarchy to IQ averages in race. It's an uncomfortable view. Too bad the only argument I see against it is "nazi".

>>2370341
by assimilation i mean intermixing.

immigrants will naturally try to retain their former identity, culturally and racially. the closer the immigrants are ethnically related to each other, the easier the assimilation will come about (i.e. european americans). ethnically vastly different immigrants will attempt to distance themselves from the native residents and vice versa (i.e. african americans and gypsies in europe).

people will naturally try to find every conceivable excuse to be a part of their own little fringe groups and scenes. it's part of our tribalistic nature to always choose sides in everything. race is one of those big categories that classify us as humans.

if you want to create the perfect society and you want to eliminate one big potential social problem in your society, you wouldn't want to incorporate polar opposite ethnicities together, unless you can find a sesible solution to it, which we haven't done so yet.

>>2370341
Yeah, but notice that they are East Asians.

Same can't be said for Compton, Candem, Detroit.

>>2370297
Sounds like a good idea. Too bad you'll still be call racist for wanting stricter immigration laws that only allow intelligent people who can be a benefit to multi-ethnic societies such as Canada, and the USA.

>>2370341
by assimilation i mean intermixing.

immigrants will naturally try to retain their former identity, culturally and racially. the closer the immigrants and native residents are ethnically related to each other, the easier the assimilation will come about (i.e. european americans). ethnically vastly different immigrants will attempt to distance themselves from the native residents and vice versa (i.e. african americans and gypsies in europe).

people will naturally try to find every conceivable excuse to be a part of their own little fringe groups and scenes. it's part of our tribalistic nature to always choose sides in everything. race is one of those big categories that classify us as humans.

if you want to create the perfect society and you want to eliminate one big potential social problem in your society, you wouldn't want to incorporate polar opposite ethnicities together, unless you can find a sesible solution to it, which we haven't done so yet.

>>2369112
Yes, instead let's ignore ethnic groups and hope it turns out well in the end. After all, Haiti, Afghanistan, most of Africa, Yugoslavia have stark differences and tension between ethnic groups, but it all turn out well in the end, right?

>>2370473
Wow yeh liek so difrent between white poodles and black poodles! Wite pewdle power yay!

>>2370523
More like the master obedient Bordie Collie race against the cat like Afghan hound.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Intelligence_of_Dogs

>>2370542
What about the collies with the darker fur?

The only factor that should matter when dealing with, for example, university applicants or potential employees, is suitability. This means intelligence and conscientiousness.

Even if this is found to strongly correlate with skin colour or facial features, or with gender, or with age, or with religiosity, or with whatever, such traits are not synonymous with the desired traits. Meaning, just because black women are less smart on average doesn't mean THIS black woman is less smart, only her test scores or grades can tell us that.

It's like saying black people being better at basketball. Just because black people are better at basketball than white people, doesn't mean THIS black person is better than THIS white person, we can only determine that on the court.


I should note that there does not really seem to be any conclusive evidence that human intelligence is so radically skewed by race or gender that it would be a significant factor at all. We do know that on the types of tests that people in the west tend to devise, people who grow up in a normative western or eastern culture tend to do better.

>>2370586
the fur has no function in the dog's physical and mental abilities. it's just color.

however, if its whole head and body shape/size was different, then most likely the breed performed different also.

>>2370610

Neanderthal man must have been geniuses then, surely, with an average brain capacity around 10% greater than the modern man?

>>2370607
the only problem is, people naturally gravitate towards their own racial groups, recognize the differences between them, and stereotype. stereotyping has been beneficial for us as species. we don't just stereotype humans, we stereotype everything. it has helped us survive in this world. hell freezes over before you see us stop doing that.

>>2370638
where did i indicate that? i'm just saying they were different. scientists agree.

>>2370638
Surprise! Brain size doesn't directly correlate with intelligence.

>>2370607
but if you had to make a bet you would bet on the black women being less intelligent and the black man being good at basketball. This is the action that has the highest liklihood of succes

>>2370664

I disagree, to some extent.

We do operate on an in-group/out-group mentality. When dealing with people who are part of our in-group, we take them as they are, without much prejudice, we rely solely on their personal reputation. When dealing with out-group, we do tend to stereotype in the way you say.

But in-group/out-group transforms over time. There was a time when the only in-group was the tribe, the community of under 150 people that we lived with most of our lives, and literally everyone else in existence was out-group. We expand in-group, now most people consider it to include everyone of their ethnicity, their religion, or their nation, or even some other ideological traits, or all of the above, or any combination. It is a lot more plastic than you suggest.

The human capacity for abstracting our social networks are the basis for society at large. There is no reason to suppose that a system that is plastic enough to incorporate people who merely share a geographical proximity to us would not be plastic enough to incorporate people who share values, regardless of location, colour, or whatever else some people think are hardwired as factors.

It is also important to add that skin colour as a major factor in determining such stereotypes was not so important until lately. Before that, stereotypes were based on 'peoples', in which a Frenchmen was only slightly less foreign than a Moor, who was only slightly less foreign than a Celestial, and so on, when compared to an Englishman.

>>2370712

If the only information you had was race and gender, sure, that might be a fair bet to make.

If you are hiring an employee or admitting a student, treating race and gender as anywhere near as important as grades and test scores would not be a wise move.

Conservatives are inbred fucking pieces of shit who are racist and contribute nothing to society. The only way you can be conservative is if you hate progress.

>>2370717
you're right about the in- and out-grouping of people.

in the case of mass immigration, it has shown us it inevitably leads to out-grouping people. for example, immigrant groups of europe have already started concentrating into ethnic communities / ghettos. the impetuous immigration policy of the eu has already caused considerably social problems in europe.

>There is no reason to suppose that a system that is plastic enough to incorporate people who merely share a geographical proximity to us would not be plastic enough to incorporate people who share values, regardless of location, colour, or whatever else some people think are hardwired as factors.
it isn't that it is not possible, maybe it's not worth it? maybe there are better solutions than going through multiculturalism? this idea hasn't been given room for thought in today's political climate.

Liberals are worthless pieces of shit who define "progress" as stripping away everyone's individuality and rights of self-reliance and basic freedoms and earning capacity, and makes everyone beg for their supper from the government.

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I personally consider multi-culturalism as is to be fairly bunk.

Post-culturalism, the melting pot, is where it's at. The marketplace of ideas, where none are held beyond critique or appropriation simply because they were historically held by one people or another.

Everyone's a little Irish on Paddy's Day, everyone's a little Hispanic on Cinqo de Mayo, everyone's a little Christian at Christmas, everyone's a little Pagan on Halloween, and so on.

>>2370858
posthumanism is where it's at, and you can always get there without the little zulus and moctezumas and ayatollahs.

Jared Diamond explains why white people got their initail advantage. This initial advantage was later built upon to create the massive social and economic differences between the races. These differences explains the different lvls of IQ.

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>>2371016
HAHAHAHAH