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inb4 software enginerding

>girl
>expect to get payment for computer science degree without taking a software engineering job

take the cock, take it deep and take it often

>>2364378
>>2364356

What's the difference?

geek squad

>>2364386
Computer science is mostly math; you will learn very little about how to create actual software. Unless you can get a research position at a university you are most likely to find yourself building websites and other code monkey type shit.

>>2364392

What does software engineering do?

programming.

Software engineering looks more useful for that honestly.

If you specialize (at least master and maybe doctorate) I'd consider computer science, then research job, but if you only do a bachelor (3 years) you're gonna be a code-monkey anyway, so it's better to learn useful stuff.

Systems analyst checking in.

Maths is nothing to do with modern day computer science. Can't stand maths and I am a software engineer.

>>2364392

Programming...

It's mainly comparing IT problems to software solutions.
Easy really. Get 40k a year and half a million on occasion if the software you're working on gets popular. At least I do because I administrate.

Low level programming is rare, it's just applying logic to binary, buses, registers, memory address. Shit like that.
High-level is just english. Math only where math necessary and that's when we get a mathematician to draw plans up. They don't programme, we APPLY the solution.

Easy.

What the fuck is it with murrica and computer science degrees? In my country they have the highest average starting salary of all science degrees, many don't even finish their degree because they awesome job offers before they're done.

>>2364510
Youre country isn't India is it?

>>2364510
It's more or less the same here.
After having studied computer science you are basically qualified to do anything computer related, from coding to consulting

>>2364538

Providing there's someone stupid enough to hire you for such an easy job.

>>2364392
>you will learn very little about how to create actual software
uhm wat? Computer scientists are engineers and there are plenty of classes where you have to make actual software

>>2364538
Where is here? You best not be claiming US, lol.

Because if so, have fun dropping out of school and getting those awesome jobs... No bachelor degree makes you awesome/qualified enough to drop out halfway through and go work. Granted you may be a bad ass mother fucker, but that has nothing to do with the education.

>>2364560
>Bachelor's
I don't know how stuff works in the US, but here in Norway getting a bachelor is a sign of laziness. If you're not taking a master's you might as well not have studied at all.

People often get headhunted here after having studied for around 2 or 3 years. I have only studied for 2,5 years myself and I have already been offered several jobs

>>2364535
Denmark. The norm here is to get a masters, though (5 years). The fact that we don't have a ton of indians and asians competing for those jobs might also have something to do with it.

>>2364559 Computer scientists are engineers

No, absolutely not. The focus and scope of the two degrees is entirely different. Engineer is a protected title. Any computer scientist found calling themselves an engineer will face legal consequences.

>>2364559

They think by ALGOL and PASCAL.
That was twenty years ago.

Now we have COBOL standard languages such as C, C++, Visual Basic.NET, Visual C#.NET, Java, VC++ and all that shit, plus scripting languages like JavaScript, Perl, Python and major Linux-orientated languages; there's HTML, PHP, XML, XHTML, VML, VRML, ASP, ASP.NET, etc.

The math and architectural logic is already done for you.
Nobody makes OS's anymore; we use existent ones like BSD, Unix, Windows NT, Windows, DOS, etc. High-level languages do everything for you in simply statements that create a mass amount of machine language automatically to perform the task you want. It may not be as much an asset to the programmer, not being able to access low-level functions manually; but nonetheless, it is already done.

We build solutions on these platforms.
Even large systems like the LHC and ARPANET are all based on some standard system such as Unix.

>>2364594
Oh really? Then why do I get a civil engineer title from studying computer science here in Norway then?

>>2364610
Because you're from a third world country.

>>2364510
There isn't anything wrong with CS in the USA, you can't really drop out and get a job unless you are pro as fuck but you enjoy the highest salaries and employment rates in the work force with a CS degree.

>>2364610
He's probably talking about US. And I think the title is only protected when it comes to advertising your services. You can put whatever the fuck you want on your resume. But in order to advertise yourself publicly as an engineer you need a license like PE

>>2364594

Engineering is more of a thing for the systems analyst. Software 'developer' is the title used to refer to all of a software 'development' team.
Engineering is mainly planning the structure of the system; the software development 'director' then 'directs' the software 'programmers' to write the programmer; software 'administrator' observes the whole development and directs the finance of the software development 'project'; the software 'directors' allocate software 'programmers' to the required 'task'; task assignment mediates the programmers' capabilities; network programmers are applied to network programming and so forth.

Usually teams are smaller for smaller projects and the roles and interchanged by just a few people who are capable of specialising and are appropriate for performing the task according to their best abilities.

Software programmer here btw.

>>2364606
I'm not quite sure I understand this post.
I've studied computer science for 2,5 years now and we do most of our stuff in C,C++,Java,C# and Python.

>>2364621
I'm sorry man, Norway is in fact a 1st world country.

I'm starting to think they teach computer scientists more here than they do in the US

>>2364504

I get 60k a year; I'm British and that's like twice the dollar if you're talking dollars there.
Lol, change your employer.

So math tricks girl wants to take computer science, possibly development or technology designing over the maths 'designation'.
Good luck, well you won't need it; we can rarely get hold of mathematicians on development and technology ascription, so if you're lucky where you are, there's a same problem and you'll get a nice payroll... But lots of work demand.

>>2364637

I only listed the popular programming languages.
These are high-level; and you approve my comment by agreeing that you do indeed, like me, use one or more of those popular programming/scripting/mark-up languages.

>>2364656

Dutch here, get the fuck off, Norwegian turd.

xD

>>2364659
CS majors going into software engineering start at $60k a year in the US and on average top out at $100k, which means there are a few people in the extremes pulling in about $120-150k a year.

Also cost of living in Britain is way higher than in the US.

>>2364665
yes, but I still don't see the relevance of your original post.
What does this have to do with computer scientists creating software?

>>2364672
High five, Dutchman!

>>2364705
That was supposed to say USA #1.

>>2364694
Cost of living in UK isn't that much higher, if you look at PPP and compare it to nominal value of $1 in each country, they are both pretty similar.

On an unrelated note, I'm doing a physics major and was wondering how easy it would be to do a masters in an engineering field or computer science afterwards? Is there a lot of catch up, or is the programming and physics learnt in a physics bachelors good enough to build upon for the masters?

>>2364781
It was my understanding Physics + CS is best done as a double major.

>>2364768
I hate to tell you, but we get EVERYTHING cheaper technology wise in the US.

>>2364838
I'm a britfag and I've already applied for a physics degree. So I have to DEAL WITH IT :( not that I hate physics, I like it, just would maybe like comp sci too.

>>2364768
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_countries_result.jsp?country1=United+Kingdom&countr
y2=United+States&displayCurrency=USD

UK is more expensive.

>>2364844

Only because we're saudi and china faggots.