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>evolutionarily a good idea
I don't think you understand evolution even at the most basic level and you should feel bad.

It's not. Also evolution doesn't have good and bad ideas, just random mutations.

lol EK still thinks she is smart

>>2342872
Are venomous stingers a good idea?
Why haven't all creatures evolved them?

There is no universal pressure that guides natural selection. Modes of reproduction vary because reproductive and other pressure vary.

>>2342876

>>2342878
>she
>internet

I think it's a good idea because then we could all be magonomouse and everyone will be happier because they won't have to go to a boring football match at the weekened with their dad because he would live at home with them and then he'd be to bored of us to want to go places and we would be less bored. That's why I think monogamy is a good idea for evolving.

>>2342873
oh, what the fuck,? you think this a troll thread? well fuck you, actually we got onto this topic on a different thread, and i realised we were off topic and it deserved a new thread.

>>2342875
fuck you, i am a zoologist, i know the theory of evolution quite well.

>>2342878
and fuck you too.

>>2342888

great job!

>>2342906

lol EK is still the easiest person to troll on /sci/

>>2342881
thanks

erm
>Because we don't share the same evolutionary path? Polygyny is far more common in natural world than polyandry, so that probably wouldn´t make you happy. And then...you can have shitload of offspring in which you don't invest much after giving a birth, so you don't need to have a partner. But you don't lay millions of eggs like flies and that settles it.

what do you mean by 'evolutionary path' ?
>so that probably wouldn´t make you happy.
actually it would. i dont play by the rules. keep in mind that the sex ratio will always be approximately 50:50 in humans, if polygyny was the common way, then this means a few men would have multiple wives, and most men would therefore be left with no wife at all. there would be a shortage of women.
so, there would basically be a metric fuckton of single men, and i could have my pick ;)

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that you're not trolling. I will recommend to you the college-level lecture course on audio book "Evolutionary Psychology I: The Science of Human Nature"

http://www.demonoid.me/files/details/2470576/10481802/

Now I will attempt to summarize my understanding of what's wrong with your question,. There is a widespread perception that humans are physically monogamous, which prevailed even in scientific thinking for a long time. More recently, it has become obvious that monogamy means, for example NEVER DIVORCING OR RE-MARRYING NEVER SEX OUTSIDE MARRIAGE ect. In other words humans are not monogamous. We are socially exclusive to one mate for one mating cycle, and usually we mate with the same one next cycle as well. Actually real monogamy is very rare among other animals, though not unknown. No, it is not usually a successful mating strategy except under very limited conditions.

>>2342880
but shouldn't we all just evolve to have as many babies as possible?
that would be the best way to multiply our genes the most, which is what makes an individual evolutionarily successful.

>>2342944
erm... hate to sound like an idiot. but what is a 'mating cycle'?

>>2342956
I don't know quite what would be defined as a mating cycle in humans. However, being exclusive to one mate for a time, then later being exclusive to a different mate is not monogamy.

>>2342921
That means that you evolved into a mammal and not into a fly, so...as was said in >>2342880
>Modes of reproduction vary because reproductive and other pressure vary.
And pressures that shaped us made us monogamous in case of women and slightly polzgamous in case of men.

And you really would mate with men that are not wanted by any other women? I don't think so. But maybe you have strange fetishes.

Also
>i could have my pick
Fun fact: females almost always pick their mates. So it isn't like that it would be an opposite of current situation.

>>2342872
There is so much fail in this question i don't know where to start. Seriously, you could have made a religion thread instead.th

>earlier thread

Let me try explaining it this way. I am friends with person a, and when we do an activity it might involve persons b and c. When I am around person d it probably involves persons e and f.

But I would expect to do a joint activity with c and e, because they don't like the same things. When I am in a relationship, generally it is because the person enjoys doing most of the activities I enjoy. I'm not excluding any other friend, this person just happens to be involved in more activities. At the same time while I might enjoy doing z, most of my friends don't, but my partner and a group of her friends do. So I have gained a new source of fun and activity. Sometimes we do things with my friends, sometimes hers, sometimes the two overlap, and sometimes we just do things the two of us.

As for the sexual aspect, I'm not saying monogamy is the only option, but, in my experience, sex is generally better with heightened feelings of attraction and emotion. And I am monogamous because I don't feel the need for more than one sexual partner. And I like to think my partners are monogamous for the same reason.

>>2342949
No, because you can only choose between quantity and quality, you can't have both. You can have 1 000 000 shitty kids and maybe 3 will survive into adulthood. Or 5 HQ kids and 3 will survive.

>>2342972
what?
so how long is a mating cycle then?
... doesnt even sound like a cycle. the lengths could vary considerably. if i fuck a guy tonight, and then a different guy tommorow night, would that mean that my mating cycle lasted a day?
and then if i dont fuck anyone else for a year, my second mating cycle lasted a year?
>for a time
obviously, we can only fuck 1 person at once.
(i know threesomes exist, but on 1 end it isnt full sex, so i am not counting it.)

so if someone has ever had more than 1 sexual partner, they are not monogamous?

About 6 years.

>>2342972
wikipedia defines monogamy as "having only one mate at any one time"

>>2342974
>polzgamous
>mfw i see how far away 'z' and 'y' are on the keyboard.
>And you really would mate with men that are not wanted by any other women? I don't think so. But maybe you have strange fetishes.
...there is bound to be some good ones left.
i am a good judge of character, and more observant than most. im sure id find a few.
>Fun fact: females almost always pick their mates. So it isn't like that it would be an opposite of current situation.
erm, i think they both pick each other.
if you watch dating shows like 'blind date' and 'take me out' you will see that there is always a round for each gender. clearly men like to pick the best women, and women like to pick the best men as well.

>>2343019
EK, you dumb cunt, I'm not him but even i know that some keyboards do have Y and Z buttons shuffled.
You are only pissing everyone off, you try to hide how stupid you are but the only thing you do is piss everyone off and make females on /sci/ look retarded. stop posting for a while and read more books.

>>2342949
Are you actually a zoologist ? Haven't you heard about r strategists vs. K strategists?

>>2342987
>But I would expect to do a joint activity with c and e, because they don't like the same things.
i presume there is a typo in there. "i would *NOT expect" FTFY

>sex is generally better with heightened feelings of attraction and emotion.
i only do it with guys i am very attracted to. and i tend not to feel much emotion. i find it to be unhelpful.

It people it is obviously advantageous
Kids take a long time to grow up
I think the only thing that has changed is that teenage kids were granted independence at an earlier age
Other species like elephants are monogamous too for the same reason
Pidgeons and penguins too and I'm sure there are other examples out there

>>2343014

sounds very vague.
by that logic, i am monogamous. its just that 'any one time' might be rather short.

>>2343019
there are several types of keyboard layouts and I am currently switching between QWERTZ and QWERTY

or you would just end up in a polygynous relationship because social norms would reflect polygyny and polyandrz would be prohibited, but what if games are rather boring

dating shows are not good indicator of general trends in human population (or at least I think so)...you can see general trends in thread involving females on the internet - one female surrounded by males which are battling to mate with her. You will see the same thing in Natural Geographic documentaries.

>>2342997
you really think only 3 would survive out of a million?

even with no help at all, im sure far more would survive than that.

>>2343033
erm, no i havent heard of that... maybe it comes in a later module .

HEY OP

Read the selfish gene if you're really interested, it mentions this.

>>2343044
>polyandrz
lol. you need a new keyboard.

>social norms would reflect polygyny and polyandrz would be prohibited

whats prohibited usually doesn't bother me. i still do what i want.

>you can see general trends in thread involving females on the internet - one female surrounded by males which are battling to mate with her.
lol wut? you cant mate over the internet.

>>2343056

oh, i have it!
fine i will.

...erm, i will soon anyway. after the thread dies down. i wanna see if anyone else has any points to make.

>>2343047
No, because if 2 parents would have 100 surviving and mating children...there wouldn't be enough resources for them, they would starve to death...there si fierce competition in nature, you know.

>>2343043
Yes, that is the definition of monogamous so you are monogamous
>>2343047
Think about insects, how many of the thousand of baby spiders do you think survive into adulthood?

We haven't evolved to be monogamous. Monogamy was only created to allow men to call dibs on women (see 10 Commandments).

Why do you think men and women cheat, or if not, get the urge to do so?

We have evolved so that the men knock up as many women as they can and move on, while the women raise the child to self-dependence and then have another, and so forth.

It sounds sexist because IT IS. That is how mammals work. DEAL WITH IT.

>>2343034
SHUT THE FUCK UP

you present an internet facade of being some smart super cool slut that is just a man with a female exterior

you dont say to yourself, "oh i am so logical and brilliant and emotions are not logical thus i will turn them off"

for the past month, i have not seen one post that demonstrates you to be a capable thinker

capable troll, well id probably give you 7.5/10 for your persistenece and the fact that youve pissed me off enough for me to write this

but fucking...
give it a rest. youre really not impressing anyone, and im sure you are younger than you claim to be. that is the most rational explanation i can provide for the incongruency between the maturity level of your thought and the supposed physical maturity you claim.

>>2343068

resources are not divided between families. EVERYBODY is in competition for the resources with everyone else.
families in the same area with low numbers of children would be under the same competition as my hypothetical army of >9000 children.

lots would die of starvation, but with so many children, some of my genes would be guaranteed to survive and be passed on.
the family with only 3 children might lose all of them in the famine
(the famine being my fault...kinda...spawning too many mouths to feed. but this is all hypothetical anyway. as i said before, i dont want any children.)

>>2343070
>Yes, that is the definition of monogamous so you are monogamous
so tell me, how is it possible to NOT be monogamous =p
threesomes erry day??

>how many of the thousand of baby spiders do you think survive into adulthood?
not many, but then i am not a spider.

also, i could not possibly have this many babies even if i wanted to. i would be limited to 1 per 9 months.

>>2342872
>cannot into monogamy works well for some species, and not so well for some other species

>>2343060
No, I need to find an easier method how write apostrophes with this layout.

>lol wut? you cant mate over the internet.
That was a metaphor. They would if they could. Also, women usually pick who to dance with...etc., there are millions of similar examples.

>whats prohibited usually doesn't bother me. i still do what i want.
Well, that's because of sexual revolution, not because of your choice.

>>2343089
>implying twins and such forth do not exist

>>2343089
Not at the exact same time but having multiple sexual partners, ie having a girlfriend who you are faithful to is monogamous while having sex with a different girl each week is not. Basically monogamy is when you commit to having sex with a single person for some period of time.

>women usually pick who to dance with...etc., there are millions of similar examples.

really? im usually too shy to ask. but sometimes guys ask me.

>Well, that's because of sexual revolution, not because of your choice.
whats the sexual revolution?
and it IS my choice.

>>2343098
lol, in all likelyhood, 1 per 9 months.
occassionally 2 in 9 months
triplets and higher are extremely rare.

>>2343104
>having sex with a different girl each week is not. (monogamous)
>monogamy is when you commit to having sex with a single person for some period of time.

what if that period of time is 1 week? you already said it wouldnt count as monogamy.

>>2343084
Yes, they are. Even siblings are battling over parental resources. You are (I guess) a woman, so you cannot spawn 9001 children. YOUR resources are limited too. I already explained it in >>2342997 Your 9001 children would all die, because if they spawned from the same amount of resources (your body etc.), they would be like 3mm high...lots of them, but utterly unprepared for the world inhabited by usual huge humans. I can't put it simpler. Quality vs. quantity.

>>2343111 guys ask
Girls say yes or no. The power is in the females hands

>>2343077

Bingo. Monogamy is borne of sociological pressures, not evolutionary need.

>>2343124
The difference is your intentions. When you fuck some random chick you aren't going to say ok I can only have sex with her for a week. It's all about your intentions. It's really a simple definition that you're making way too complicated.

>>2343134
>your offspring will be 3mm high if you have lots of them.
>they will ALL die.

I've never seen so much tripfaggotry in one thread

also, stfu EK

>>2343111
Sexual Revolution = you can do whatever the fuck you want.

Seriously, though, if we get into polygamy for the use of creating and raising successful children, it breaks down to this:

MEN:

Option 1: Find and fuck as many women as you can support (taking into consideration the children they will bear).

Option 2: Be mostly monogamous to one woman, but invest in a backup woman/fool around every once in a while.

WOMEN:
Let a man with good genes knock you up and settle down with a man with a lot of resources to raise your kid, not necessarily in that order.

For more details, please read Matt Ridley's 'The Red Queen: Sex and the Evolution of Human Nature':
http://www.amazon.com/Red-Queen-Evolution-Human-Nature/dp/0140245480

>>2343140
orly?
so if i ask a guy, i am guaranteed for them to say yes?

>>2343144
cool, thats what i thought. and therefore i am happy not doing it.

>>2343146
meh, i live in the moment. fuck a guy...might fuck em again later, who knows, who cares.

>>2343111
as was already explained...neither in nature do they "ask"...guys must try their best and then they're picked by females. Some dude is trying to impress you, to catch your attention (he is asking you to dance with him etc.)...and your only role in this mating ritual is to agree or disagree (pick him or not)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_revolution
geeeez, never heard about 60s?

>Sexual Revolution = you can do whatever the fuck you want.

>>2343163
Evolutionarily speaking, saying no is a very poor strategy for males. Males have nothing to loose in mating, males who say no loose to males that say yes. Discrimination is only a successful strategy for females, so the result of female discrimination is the mating system that is created.

>>2343157
agreed

>>2343165
but just because i dance with him doesn't mean i want to fuck him.
also, some guys have asked me to dance, and seem just interested in the dancing, and have shown no desire that they want to fuck.
one of my (male) friends is gay, and he likes to dance with me, and obviously doesnt want to fuck me.

>>2343172
>mfw my girlfriend won't let me sleep around

EK we don't want to hear about how many douschebags you have sex with Goddomn it!

>>2343161
And not necessarily the same man.

>>2343163
No, but that changes from the general scenario. Girls show interest, guys ask, girls choose.
Sometimes it skips straight to guys asking, but that is how it goes the vast majority of the time.

>>2342974
>Fun fact: females almost always pick their mates.So it isn't like that it would be an opposite of current situation.

Wrong.

In monogamous humans both sexes get to choose.
Have you ever wondered why guys can find some girls hot and other's ugly? The concept of "ugly women" would not exist for men if they had no choice.
And why do you think women put in such effort into their appearance? Why do they develop bodies with such exaggerated sexual secodary characteristics?
It's as if (as dawkins said in "the selfish gene") in humans sexual selection works in reverse.
The actual answer is that, in humans, sexual selection works on both males AND females. If you want a rundown of how this works, males are selected mostly on the presence of good genes (speed, strength, intelligence, social power etc.) whereas females are selected mostly on the abscence of bad genes (beauty, agreeableness). Human females have also been very strongly selected for neotony. This has two advantages:

1. Helps bring out the male's protective instinct
2. Makes the female appear younger and a younger mate will ultimately provide a male with more offspring than an older one (under monogamy- in non-monogamous chimps youth isn't attractive at all, in fact it's the older females who have proven themselves as mothers who male chimps find most attractive).

>>2343185
wow, she doesn't even understand a simple example
this must be a troll for fucks sake, guys, stop feeding it

>>2343181
they lose either way.
i use rubbers, they wont be reproducing, so evolutionarily speaking it is a complete waste of time to fuck me.
...good fun though.

>>2343197
EK do you want to fuck one of us or are you just teasing
Cause seriously its pissing me off

>>2343185
It's important to note the difference between what goes on in a person's head and the strategy they are genetically inclined toward. Evolutionary strategies only need to influence a person's behavior, not their thoughts and schemes.

Also, evolution has not had enough time to be influenced by the current state of human society AT ALL. If society stays the same for a few hundred thousand years then check back for the first signs of evolutionary adaption to modern biological pressures.

>>2343190
yeh i thought so, thats why i havent said. (prick)

>>2343196
i understood the example, and i just proved how it doesnt work in my case. and i am not trolling.

(first and last post in this thread)
>>2343206
If a straight guy asks you to dance with him, he wants to fuck you silly. No exceptions. Just so you know.

>>2343206
You want to apply general evolutionary principals directly to yourself and your own choices?

>>2343202
i'm not teasing, i am genuinly interested in the biology of all this. and it is a /sci/ence board after all...

>>2343205
evolution has clearly fucked up on me. i dont have any desire to produce offspring, and so my genes wont survive, my line ends with me.
...maybe there was some mutation that affected my behaviour...

>>2343191
Yeah. If a woman doesn't have to choose between a mate with good genes and a mate with access to lots of resources, she has no motivation to be polygamous.

But if she does, there's going to be a chance of BITCHES AND WHORES, man. BITCHES AND WHORES.

>>2343214
>my line ends with me

THANK GOD OOOH LORD THANK YOU

>>2343194
Actually, I agree, thank you for correcting me. But I still think that males are putting more effort in seeking mating partners while females are more passive.

As for the OPs question, monogamy is a good strategy if the effort in raising chidren is such that having two parents is an advantage. Males will want reassurance that the children are theirs before they'll put any significant effort into raising them.

On a non-evolutionary, societal level monogamy is good (i fact i believe it is essential for a smoothly-functioning cooperating civilisation). More effort put into raising each child= good. Loads of forever mateless males going around= very, very bad.

lol @ the guy who thinks natural reproduction is for guys to fuck and run. Why then did we evolve to fall in love?

Also, don't confuse the club scene for wider society. Sleazeballs looking for casual sex will fuck anything legal that moves, putting choice in female hands. In the wider bf/gf market things are very different.

Also:

http://richarddawkins.net/articles/5171-liberalism-atheism-male-sexual-exclusivity-linked-to-iq

U MAD?

this is hilarious
A woman trying to understand women
I guess women will remain the only unsolved mystery until the end of the universe

>>2343211
>If a straight guy asks you to dance with him, he wants to fuck you silly. No exceptions. Just so you know.
i doubt it. as i said before
>"also, some guys have asked me to dance, and seem just interested in the dancing, and have shown no desire that they want to fuck. "
doesn't that prove you wrong?
or were they too afraid to ask for some reason?

>>2343213
i have genes within me that have survived milennia, the same as the rest of you. evolution affects me the same as any of you. so i would expect it to be relevant in general, but also specifically to my life.

>>2343214
genetic recombination through sexual genetic exchange can produce plenty of individuals that will never reproduce. The variation is random and only the selection is non-random. Evolution cannot "fuck up" by producing a nonadaptive trait like not reproducing. It just does what it does.

>>2343202
She wants to fuck Pascal.

EK, you have always seemed like a decent person to me. I haven't been here in the last few months to see the faggotry that other people are talking about, but all I am going to say is "you used to be cool, mang."

What happened? Are you the real EK?

>>2343223
Kind of makes you wonder why not so many guys prefer aggressive chicks. If a woman walks up to you and tells you she wants your babies, you can save yourself a lot of trouble by settling down with her right there instead of looking for and courting another woman.

>>2343223
>"But I still think that males are putting more effort in seeking mating partners while females are more passive."
yeh, this seems to be the case. i'd agree with that.

>>2343228
i dont generalise. it would be naive to presume that i am the same as all other women.

>>2343229
>i doubt it. as i said before
Listen. As a guy, I am telling you this. Men want to fuck. That's just the way they work. I don't care if you didn't get the impression he didn't want to fuck with you, but he did. We're good at hiding it. We know if we let on that we wan't to fuck, it'll usually be a big turn-off for the girl involved. But we do want to fuck. And we are prepared to work for it. Dancing is like working. The more fun <span class="math">you[/spoiler] have, the more likely we are to get laid.

>>2343247
He's right. We can even doublethink so that we don't even know we want to fuck.

>>2343246
and completely naive to think that you are indeed a woman at all

>>2343247
This is pretty much true. It doesn't mean that all men WILL fuck every chance they get, they might have some beliefs or ideas about fucking that restrain them, but I think the vast majority WANT to fuck.

>>2343244
That would certainly happen if you were Mick Jagger, but most males must first prove that they're worthy of the woman...so, courting.

>>2343263
and so do women
Otherwise they wouldn't dance with them in the first place
EK is being a hypocrite

>>2343232
>lol @ the guy who thinks natural reproduction is for guys to fuck and run. Why then did we evolve to fall in love?
>Why then did we evolve to fall in love?
>fall in love?
>love

WAT

Think about the origins of monogamy for a second, and what life would have been like before it. Lots of men trying to get women and keep them for themselves. Suddenly, younger, stronger, better looking men (more evolutionarily fit) would come on the scene and try to take the women.

BUT WHAT'S THIS?

"Sorry, pal. God just spoke to me and said you can only pick one mate and you have to stick with them for life."

Shit. The younger man had better not touch the woman or else they shall both be CURSED and GO TO HELL!

Ever since then, it has been passed down to the next generation that you MUST ONLY CHOOSE ONE. It is like some horrible monotone chant that has been going on and on through the ages. Any kid growing up with that constant drone from their elders to find ONE MATE AND ONE MATE ONLY is going to believe it when they grow up.

Just look at religious kids.

When they grow up, they will seek out one mate and think that it's love.

It isn't.

It's hypnotism.

>>2343278
Are you trying to imply that love is experienced only by religious people?

>lol @ the guy who thinks natural reproduction is for guys to fuck and run. Why then did we evolve to fall in love?
>Why then did we evolve to fall in love?
>fall in love?
>love
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemical_basis_for_love#Evolutionary_psychology

>>2343270
Hmm.....so if you do really impressive shit all the time/have access to ridiculous amounts of resources/both, the women come to you?

How very......interesting......

Of course, if you're only attractive because you've got a lot of resources, you run the chance of being the sucker who has to raise another man's kid.

>>2343233
lol, i dont really know anyone here, so i dont want to fuck any of them (i dont fuck people unless i think i know them fairly well, and then still like them)
...although pascal did look quite cute.. he posted a pic of himself here before.

>>2343238
>What happened? Are you the real EK?
..yeh. i am. and dammit, that actually made me a feel a bit bad.
..whats changed? im just being honest and trying to discuss the topic properly, rationally, and scientifically.
what did i post that you disliked?

>>2343247
>Listen. As a guy, I am telling you this. Men want to fuck.
and as a woman, i am telling you this. women want to fuck. ...or more accurately, everyone likes to fuck. we are human after all.

>We're good at hiding it. We know if we let on that we wan't to fuck, it'll usually be a big turn-off for the girl involved.
what the fuck? that makes no sense. if he isnt honest with me, (wants to fuck me and hides it) then we wont end up fucking. if he asks, he at least has a chance.

..dancing is like working?
...guys dont actually LIKE dancing??

>>2343273
Women want to dance not as a means towards fucking, but as a way of assessing the worth of the partner involved. If a woman wants to dance with you it means she MIGHT want to fuck you. But not after at least four months of busting you balls and having you buy her dinner at least seventy times.

>mfw this thread

>>2343288
Or perhaps he's implying that an entire neuropathological response was evolved AFTER the sociological development of religion. ALSO that behaviors similar to the ones that the experience of "love" causes in humans are never observed in species that have no religion. All of these are against observed facts.

>>2343263
want to fuck anyone? i dont think so.
i know for a fact guys ARE picky.
...well most at least.
not everyone wants to fuck me (all though i tend to find that if i really really want a guy, i can usually persuade them)

>>2343273
>EK is being a hypocrite
really? where?

EKs vagina is probably like an old burlap sack.

>>2343292
It's sound evolutionary strategy to produce a male child that females other females find attractive, so if a man can prove he's attractive to other females this will in turn cause females to be attracted to him. So just "being sexy" is a feedback loop.

>>2343312
WOULD YOU LIKE A BLOW JOB?

>>2343278
...so all atheists should be promiscuous like me?

>>2343293
>and as a woman, i am telling you this. women want to fuck. ...or more accurately, everyone likes to fuck. we are human after all.
Let me rephrase, men want to fuck right away. They don't want to get to know you first, they don't give a shit. They want to stick their penis into your vagina as soon as they see you're hot.

>what the fuck? that makes no sense. if he isnt honest with me, (wants to fuck me and hides it) then we wont end up fucking. if he asks, he at least has a chance.
Are you telling me it's a turn-on if a guy approaches you ad says: "lets fuck"? I think not. You might think otherwise (I don't know you) but the vast majority of women don't. Ask a guy, at least 90% would say yest instantly if the woman was hot. A guy has to seal the deal first.
>...guys dont actually LIKE dancing??
Can't speak for all guys, but me, and certainly all guys I know go dancing to pick up girls. If they'd go dancing for the dancing they'd go to gay bars or just dance at home.

>>2343309
That's like observing how many women diet and concluding that they don't feel hungry. It's like concluding they don't want to eat, simply because they don't eat. Does that chocolate bar you passed on believe that you never wanted to eat chocolate?

>>2343312
lol, because i am promiscuous?

i might have sex with more men than the average woman, but i still only do it about as often as them. so im no more likely to be...erm, 'damaged' than a monogamous woman.

..also, i am quite stretchy and springy. :D

>>2343278
But monogamy may have shared its origins with bipedalism. Your point is invalid.

To explain:
Monogamy only works if the male is capable of providing for the female, because monogamy is basically the male saying "Ok, instead of running around trying to knock up every female I find, I'm going to continuously knock up this one female here and contribute a good deal of my resources to raising all the offspring I have with her." and the female saying "Ok, I like this deal. In return, I'm not going to let myself get knocked up by any males other than him." Now, if the male wants to contribute resources, which probably would've been food, teaching and protection at the time but let's focus on food, he's going to have an easier time of it if he can carry large amounts of that resource to the female and their offspring. And a bipedal ape is better at carrying things than a quadrupedal one.

Of course, this was probably only one of many reasons we evolved to become bipedal, but the entire point of that was to point out that it's where monogamy might have started.

>>2343336
>..also, i am quite stretchy and springy. :D
Goddammit... You now HAVE to post at least one picture of yourself.

>>2343326 gay bar
When I was in college, I would go to the gay bar for free drinks.

I enjoy dancing, but there is definitely an element of peacocking. Hey ladies look at me.

>>2343336
>..also, i am quite stretchy and springy. :D

You can't make claims in court without evidence.

>>2343344
What a non-sequitur. Why, that statement would have made sense if we were in court! As it is however, it's just an arbitrary fact you've stated with no context!

>>2343223

whoa. what happened to my /sci/ :D.

Depends where you look, in the club scene definitely, but in day to day life you'd be surprised the amount women can chase after guys (and successfully too!).

I will conceed that the man usually does the "asking out", but this isn't really a "choice", it's a mere technicality because traditionally the man is the dominant partner. If the man had any intelligence he'd play her at the body-language/eye contact game for a while and be 99% sure of a yes answer by the time he "asks". In today's culture some guys (with no self-respect) ask girls out when they really should no there's no hope.

>>2343343
Pascal confirmed for homosexuality.

No, but seriously, drinking is associated with sex. Drunk woman are easy women. Free drinks mean easy sex, even in a gay bar. It's funny how strong these implicit associations are.

>>2343322
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Humans are not a strictly monogamous species. Men and women of nearly every culture cheat and make children with people other than their "mate". Men tend to fuck anything that moves because there is no cost to spreading their seed, women tend to be selective because they have a limited amount of eggs (sex economics?).

>Ignoring bullshit (read: all) replies

From a population geneticists perspective, effective population size and gene diversity are at theoretical maxima when the breeding ration of males to females is 1. This is why there were major problems with the Bos taurus population after one bull's semen was used in half of the cow population of the US, and the effective population size dropped from tens of millions to 10.

>>2343358
Modern evolutionary psychology on the issue of human mating behavior... summarized!

>>2343326
>Let me rephrase, men want to fuck right away. They don't want to get to know you first, they don't give a shit. They want to stick their penis into your vagina as soon as they see you're hot.
not the guys i go for. i like personality. and i like them to favour personality over looks as well (i tend not to use makeup, have no tatoos, dont wear jewellry etc. i keep myself clean and tidy, but i dont try to dress up or impress anyone)
>Are you telling me it's a turn-on if a guy approaches you ad says: "lets fuck"?
no, because i don't know him, or his personality.
if however, i already knew him from before, and we had been hanging out all evening, and i liked him, i would find such bluntness quite refreshing, and almost certainly agree.
>just dance at home.
nah, dancing alone isn't very enjoyable. i like to look at the person/people i am dancing with.

>>2343358
>women tend to be selective
Fuck I wish this were true. My last girlfriend cheated on me. Woman are whores just the same.

>>2343339
>But monogamy may have shared its origins with bipedalism. Your point is invalid.

It didn't. People cheat. People want to sleep around. In fact, in a lot of countries where Christianity was never prevalent it is common to find men with more than one wife.

>>2343355
Hmm. This can only go well.

>>2343354
"can I buy you a drink?"
"I'm straight just here for the music/friend/whatever"
"how about I ask again after the drink"
"nope still straight"
"let's try another"

I'm just glad that I never got slipped a roofie. But a night of free drinking at 18 was great.

>>2343375
And the kings of Medieval through Enlightenment era European countries always had numerous mistresses. What's your point?

>>2343375
You'll find that doesn't effect his argument, except in the cases of those couvert extrapair couplings. As long as we cross out monogamous from his post and put in socialy paired breeding with covert extra-pair couplings we're good to go. It's not blatent polygamy as practiced by some animals. Not that all animals with "socialy paired breeding with covert extra-pair couplings" walk upright like humans do, that's plenty of animals that act just like us in this regard.

>>2343372
Jesus Christ you are stubborn.
>not the guys i go for
Yes, the guys you go for as well. <span class="math">{\bf All~men~work~this~way.}[/spoiler] No exceptions. We might hide it, but this is the way we work. I am telling you this.
>no, because i don't know him, or his personality.
>and we had been hanging out all evening, and i liked him
See, but guys don't give a shit about this. That's why they ask you to dance. Because you DO care about personality.

>>2343387
Personally, I'd have gone along with it. But just because I feel sexually repressed.

>>2343374
have you not considered that this doesn't make her a bad person? she is in control of her own body, and is free to do what she wishes. just because she has other lovers would not detract from the relationship she has with you.
you could 'share her' (opologies for being simplistic, but you know what i mean)
or are you a religiousfag, and cheating is 'a sin'?

>>2343397

Are you seriously trying to defend a retarded universal statement? I'm guessing you'll also say there's no such thing as a women who isn't solely interested in money and power. Lol, you need to leave the house a little more.

>>2343397
so i am to trust your generalisation of all males without evidence?
no thanks. i know there is ALOT of variation between how they act, and what they want.

>That's why they ask you to dance. Because you DO care about personality.
so you think they decieve me and just pretend to care about personality.
i don't believe thats true.

>>2343413

In our society it's expected that when you enter a relationship, it's monogamous. Cheating is a terrible thing to do, causes lots of jealously and hate, and makes people feel like shit. Now, if two people agree to an open relationship, that's perfectly fine. What two people do is dependent on their unique relationship. This woman who cheated IS a bad person because she did not respect her partner's feelings.

>>2343414
You might be an idealistic virgin, but yeah, men who've ever had a girlfriend work this way. It's evolutionarily hardwired.

>>2343409
I had a few girlfriends that year. At least one hung out at the gay bar with me.

>>2343414
Now, i don't like universals either but how about this one:
"Most people want to eat food."
"If a person sees good food, he'll want to eat it"
"He may not act on his desires to eat the food, utilizing his judgement, but he'll want to eat it."

>>2343438

I would like to argue that there are some people that simply have no desire for the food; they may be a little odd, but they exist. Also, you can't really compare sexuality to the desire for food, they're on a completely different scale of needs.

>>2343429
this is why i always make my intentions clear. i make it clear that even though we have fucked, we arn't boyfriend and girlfriend.
i wouldn't lie, though. i would never pledge to be with just 1 guy, and then break the promise.

>>2343451
yes you would, because you are a whore

>>2343451

Well that's good then. A lot of men and women will assume some sort of exclusivity after having sex, but you need to make it perfectly clear what's going on.

>>2343445
I agree not every single person has a desire for food, and not every single person has a desire for sex. Asexuals exist that have no desire for sex for example. However, food and sex are just as critical as each other for evolutionary fitness. Every one of your ancestors successful had sex at least once. My point is that sexual desire and actually acting on those desires are separate things, so no matter how much you observe their behavior, males not acting to have sex with a woman does not demonstrate they had no desire to have sex with her.

>>2343459
i know you are just trying to be offensive, but you don't bother me.
literally speaking, i am not a whore, because i don't charge money.
clearly you have a problem with me being promiscuous, but i don't care. i do what i want to do.
also, even if it were true (which it isn't) this still wouldn't automatically make me a liar.

>>2343413
>lol, women have freedom, that means they can disregard the opinions and feelings of men
WHOREBITCH
>>2343451
CAPITALIZING YOUR 'I'S.

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO?

>>2343428
Go ahead and don't believe it. I don't give a shit. It's the truth. Fucking is the primary thing that drives a man. They might say they'll want you for 'you', that they like talking to you, that they want to dance just for fun, and there might even be some truth to it, but ultimately they want to fuck. Everything else is secondary. The fact that this is so hard to believe is sort of encouraging. It means we, us guys, are doing a good job.

>>2343482
Dear god the way you say that it's like you think women are all your enemy and other men are your allies. True or not these facts really aren't "good news" for anyone.

inb4 this thread degenerates to /r9k/ status...
or am I already too late?

>>2343482
Source?

>>2343476
not only are you a whore, but you are the kind of whore other girls hate because you think it's cute when you fuck their boyfriends.

that's why you have no girlfriends.

you're a whore

>>2343472

Unfortunately, its not that simple. Men do not "meet and want to fuck right away". They may feel satisfied in their relationship, not horny at the time, or simply view the female non-sexually. If men wanted to bang everyone and everything, why don't they fuck their sisters, their moms, and fat pimply hambeasts? I'm horny a fuckton of the time but I don't wanna bang every chick I meet even if she's attractive. If I'm hungry, I won't eat every fucking piece of food I see. You could argue "oh if she's at least average looking and not a relative, he'll always want to fuck". Well guess what? Humans are complex beings. You haven't taken into account the psychology of sexual arousal; sometimes a guy will just view a girl as a friend, nothing more. She can't cross the border into the sexual realm for him.

>>2343515
um, men do fuck all of those things you mentioned

>>2343482
im not doubting that they 'want to fuck' as ive said: so does everyone.
i am saying that most of them are probably more picky than you realise.

>>2343529
Are you saying they are picky in their ACTIONS? That's definitely true. Are you suggesting they are picky in their DESIRES? I want to know how that works.

>>2343482
Here's to successfully trolling 50% of the human race.

>>2343529
You don't get it. The difference between men and woman is they want to fuck instantly, regardless of personality. I never denied men aren't picky. They just don't pick on personality.

>>2343514
i dont fuck anyones boyfriend because the type of guys who agree to a boyfriend/girlfriend relationship will know what they have entered into, and will be 'faithful' so they wont even flirt with me, much less ask me for sex.
actually, some of my friends are girls...but you are slightly correct in that i tend to be better at making friends with guys, rather than girls.
...and also, yes, some girls tend to dislike me.

>>2343541
52% actually. We're awesome.

Alright, everybody, time to move
>>> /r9k/

>>2343550
Of course, men looking for a lifelong partner are an entirely different story.

>>2343539
well i cant mind read, if they want me, and dont say anything, it has exactly the same external effect as if they didnt desire me at all.

>>2343551
to add to my point here: if anyone DID proposition me, and i knew they had a girlfriend, i would refuse, even if i liked them, just to not cause any hurt to the girl.

>>2343556
really? males outnumber us?

>>2343354
>No, but seriously, drinking is associated with sex.

Off topic, but did you know alcohol blocks the release of vassopressin in the brain?
If you don't know vassopressin is essential for the formation of socially-monogamous pair-bonds, particularly in males.

I'm not saying alcohol "makes people cheat", but it could be shifting peoples natural focus from "finding a partner" to "getting laid".

>>2343567
What if they were in a open relationship?

>>2343578
then good. thats the kind of thing i do. and they are fair game, just as i am fair game, just as all my men are fair fame.

tripfag interview thread?

>>2343572
I don't know whether to facepalm at your lack of reading comprehension or rage at you thinking I'm a woman.

>>2343564
Goes without saying. It just doesn't really happen before you're at least 30.

>>2343572
Yeah.

>>2343599
no, i thought you were male
>52% actually. We're awesome.
so 52% males, and then 48% females.
so males outnumber women.
so my statement was correct here >>2343572

>>2343585
It's funny how you pretend to only date men who like you for your personality, yet accept an open relationship. How the fuck can you defend that men aren't interested in sex when you'd let them have sex with other women?

>>2343614
No, males trolled 52% of the world population. So women outnumber men. Jesus fucking Christ.

>>2343614
>post about how men are better than women.
>Here's to successfully trolling 50% of the human race.
>52% actually. We're awesome.

>>2343605
trollface.jpg 

>>2343615
for me, theres nothing particularly special about sex, is just a fun acivity, like anything else, like playing tennis, or dancing.
so, as with playing tennis, or sex, i only do these things with people that i like the personality of, because i dont like hanging out with people i dislike (obviously)
and i dont have a problem with any of my guys having sex with other women any more than i have a problem with them playing tennis with another partner. i have no right to try and control them anyway, even if i wanted to.

>>2343614
I'm pretty sure women outnumber men. Somewhere the lines of communication got crossed.

>>2343629
>>2343635

ah kk, i get it.
so we outnumber men, cool.

>>2343648
Yea about 104 women for every 100 men.

>>2343652
and by 'we'
i guess i just mean...me

>>2343551
um, okay boyfriend stealing whore. keep thinking nobody knows who you really are.

>>2343657
well, nobody here really knows me. internet anonymity and all that.

Does anybody know how to block tripfags?

>>2343655
So you personally outnumber men? You must be a land whale of epic proportions...

>>2343673
lol

>>2343673
Out of curiosity, how old are you? You can't be much older than 17.

>>2343677
lol, you dont like it then GTFO the thread, faggot.

>>2343687
19
"herp derp, i am going to imply that you are younger than you really are, thereby showing that i think you are immature"

>>2343677
Some of the 4chan scripts for firefox have the option

>>2343698
orly? can you block specific people, or is it an 'all or nothing' thing?
(not that i want to block you.)

>>2343695
Had you actually been 17 you wouldn't be immature for your age. Now you are. I honestly thought you were 17.

>>2343702
I believe you can block based on tripcode. But I haven't used any of them myself

>>2343702
you can block specific tripcodes and names

>>2343702
You can choose a tripfag to block. For example, I might wish to block one "aether", and thus never see his shitty posts.

>>2343715
Where in holland are you staying this summer?

>>2343717
except aether changes his trip every minute or so

>>2343715
i'm proud of you for not wanting to fuck this EK hambeast. well done.

>E.K

Tits or gtfo

personally I think autonomy is the best evolutionary course. Fuck em and dump em.

What's all this then?

>>2343735
EK, are you reading this? QED.

>>2343718
Most likely in hoek van holland. But I have some friends in the east, so will probably met them halfway at Utrecht or Amsterdam.

>>2343739
This is a door. Please use it.

>>2343743
If you get the chance to visit Amsterdam, you should check out "de nieuwe anita". Best club in town.

Yours truly,
Anonymous

>>2343724

Wait. If EK is here on /sci/...Who is making my sandwich in the kitchen?

philosoraptor.jpg

>>2343740
yeh still here. im watching something in the other window though, so might post less frequently.
erm. yeh thats not exactly what i do, i never 'dump' anyone, its not even possible if they were never even my boyfriend to begin with.

>>2343758
Fucking facepalm.

The point was that men do it. They fuck a girl, and dump em.

>>2343758
>im watching something in the other window though
wat

you're weird

>>2343764
hmm? all men? more generalisations eh?
i wouldn't even mind if they didn't want to fuck me again, theres plenty more fish in the sea (also, most seem more than happy to repeat the experience ;) ..yeah.)

>>2343766
its called multitasking. try it.

>>2343754
Thanks for the tip, but the Madame Tussaud wax museum is probably more my speed. I guess it depends on what my friends are interested in doing.

I think she means tab.

>>2342872
For social animals where you don't want a lot of infighting between animals of the same gender it is useful.

Consider:
1) One male, many females (very common for gorillas)
 a) Females rally around male, most will mate with male
 b) Adolescents are raised in clan
 c) Young males are exiled in early puberty and live alone or in groups with other males, high mortality rate.
 d) Stronger male overthrows previous male leader, old leader is killed or exiled.

Versus
2) One male one female (seen with some birds)
 a) mating pairs
b) limited competition and violence between mating pairs
 c) young critters are tolerated at most ages, but are given lower priority compared to an animal's mate


Now for humans, the main advantage is since young boys aren't killing each other for the harem, they can join the army and kill rival clans, or simply work to improve their own clan.

found one
works like a charm
i'm out

>>2343785
What the fuck? Are you like a senior citizen or something?

>>2343791
>omg he doesn't go to Holland to go to clubs and take drugs, he's a fucking freak

>>2343824
>take drugs
Never said anything whatsoever about drugs you moron. It was the madame Tussaud thing. Only people over 40 visit that shit.

>>2343791
Not that old, but I've been to 5 of the wax museums including the one in Amsterdam. They are enjoyable. Ive never been much of a clubber, I prefer to drink in smaller quieter establishments.

Off of work going home

>>2343839
Well have fun, whatever you decide to visit.

>>2343839

cya :)

>/sci/ - science and math
>front page
>three threads regarding evolution
>ranging 50-200 posts
>skim
>my face when no one on /sci/ understands evolution

I understand biology classes aren't always taught by biology teachers, and Darwin's book is pretty boring, hard to read, and outdated, but there are plenty of modern texts out there written especially for you guys who had Mormons teaching you science back in high school.

>>2343833
>suggestion to go to a club
>implying that imbibing alcohol was not implied

You're going to tell me that loads of people go clubbing and don't drink, yes?