/sci/ - Science & Math

God.
Lrn2bible faggot

>>2334205
And before God there was a creampuff.

Probably another universe that collapsed into itself. Or (if the multiverse hypothesis is correct) multiple universes crashing into each other.

>>2334207
>implying cream puff isn't god.

>>2334212
OOOOOOOR! or...
just hear me out...
or it was..
A creampuff.

what's north of the north pole?

If space/time started at the big bang, then there could not be a "before" before the big bang.

>>2334221
Much like the holy trinity, ( which can be compared to the different states of water - solid , gaseous and liquid), God is many things at the same time...
But his true form is a Creampuff.
.. fuck.. writing this i actually said HERP in real life..

>>2334212
Lol it was a creampuff, did you even graduate high-school?

Crazy, I was wondering about the same thing the other day . I was also wondering what is outside of the universe, is that possible?

>>2334227
>Whats north of the north pole?
Wait for it...
A cream puff

>>2334236
Cream puff

And thus it came to pass, that another endless /sci/ thread about "what was before the Big Bang" was banished, through the mention of the ONE's true name and form.
Hail thee, Creampuff.

>>2334227

well something happened before..how did all this shit
come to be stuffed into a singularity in the 1st place..

makes me go hmmmm

>>2334298
Shhh... come here. No, it's all right. Really.. Yeah, come here. Close your eyes, that's it.
Have a cream puff.

>>2334308


ok.. but i hope ur a femanon.. coz i wanna stuff my cock in ur creampuff.. aite? lets make our own big bang

Seriously disappointed /sci/
OP I will humor you. I think that Big bang was the start of time. Before it was an infinite void. Upon observation it became multiverse. Severely shortened version.

Legit answerfag here.

I admire your curiosity. It's minds like you that seek truth, and it's important you're not blinded by assmindedfags.
First I'd like to say, time is infinite. There was no "beginning" of time. It's a tool we use to accurately predict a certain event in the sequential relations between objects and energies. Today I went on 4chan, and yesterday I went to my job interview. 24 years ago, I was born. And millions of years before that, I was most likely composed of minerals deep in the ground.

So this is what happened. Keep in mind, conservation of energy and matter demands that no energy or matter can be created/destroyed. Only converted between one another. With this in thought, matter had to exist before the big bang. Since we know it was all compressed to the size smaller than a dime, there had to be a big crunch to do that. Most likely a black hole, or something else with tremendous gravity to pull it in. A universe before ours, but made of the same stuff.
So where did all of this matter come from? There was no beginning. After all, it cannot be created. No matter how far you go back, it was always there.

I hope this will open your mind to the truth. Sorry that there's no room for a god or supreme being to "create" this universe. But it's a nice thought that our home is a perpetual environment.

>>2334424

>>2334424
just letting you know, i am bookmarking this poast and i am going to come back later after i smoke weed and read it again

All you fags need to take a look at this link. Yes, it's an atheist website, but it doesn't matter, it's just a list of quotations from physicists on contemporary cosmogonical models:

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/mark_vuletic/vacuum.html

http://universe-review.ca/R15-16-manyfoldu.htm
http://universe-review.ca/F02-cosmicbg.htm#prebigbang

This website talks about a pre-big bang theory called the "black hole sea" that I like for its sheer craziness.

>>2334298
>>2334298
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ImvlS8PLIo

Watch this.

>>2334308

nice thought probably legit..assuming the universe is closed

but in an open universe how would all the matter be
reconcentrated in that point..

in the case of a big rip...then how does all the matter come to a singularity again

if there are multiverses all exapnding from all directions,
might the remnants of multiverses eventually
encounter one another and their lowest energy/mass states accrete into a novel singularity..

sometimes i shit bricks

Who created God?

>>2334481
We did.

>ITT: God = Creampuff

It all makes sense now.

>>2334487
lol when u can disprove His existence ill beleive u

there any femanons in here?

i would like to cream in your puff

>>2334497
It's not a matter of disproving the existence of some higher entity [when there is nothing to suggest that there is one in the first place], it's a matter of you holding a steadfast belief that there IS a higher entity for a reason that is not based in logic or anything -real-. Only by searching yourself will you ever find any truth.

Niggers. That's why space is so dark.

>>2334481
why his mom and dad of course

>>2334497
When you can correctly spell believe I will believe you aren't a troll.

>>2334509
im open to everything, i just want evidence that disproves Him
i thought scientists were sopposed to value evidence or sumthing? hmmm? guess not then

>>2334497
I'll do it.

Back in the day people were too stupid to explain things like the sun, thunder, lighting, and life naturally. So they created a supernatural one. I.e. Zeus, God, Jesus, Helios, Stat. This birthed religion. Some were more popular than others. The abrahamic god stemmed into Jewdaism, Muslum, and Christianity, for example. Those stemmed into even further branches, christianity stemmed into catholic, orthodoxy, etc. Certain groups of individuals used this as a form of control of the mass public, much like propaganda, and at times- war. People grew smarter and started doubting the existence of some of these dieties. Due to the way they were made, some were harder to disprove. Helios doesn't exist, and neither does zues. We proved those through natural remedies. And today, we are disproving the abrahamic god by explaining the universe as we know it has no beginning, and infinite, thus forcing no room for a god to create it.

Satisfied?

My active unconscious tells me God exists and Malcolm Gladwell says that is proof enough.

Umad atheists?

THE BIG FOURPLAY

atheists will tell you "nothing"

people with common sense will tell you we simply dont know

>>2334424
>implying there was a big crunch

the data has ruled this out almost completely

>>2334203
Another universe. This one will also eventually end and a new one will begin.

>>2334536

typical response from a buttmad religionfag.
Are you angry that I pretty much explained the world as you know it, and the "creation" of everything with natural remedies and without a use for a god?

Tell me, butthurt anon, how does it feel to have your own way of thinking disproven before your very eyes? Does it make you want to cry? Are you going to have your god smite me? And what makes you think YOUR god is the one, true one, out of the thousands of gods out there? There are places in the world where the christian god is almost unheard of. Let me tell you something, buttmad anon. You weren't born knowing of god. You learned of him. This alone should provide enough evidence for you to know that religion is, and always was, a story.

Good day.

>>2334424
The universe is like a movie. It all exists simultaneously but we only see a single point in time.

Also,
>implying time is one-dimensional
>implying fate and free will can't coexist
>implying the choices you make don't simply guide your consciousness along its trajectory through time.

>>2334550
my way of thinking was disproven by an antiquated theory that was deemed impossible decades ago by science? makes perfect sense, this is how atheists usually "disprove" stuff. what other debunked theories do you believe in, dawkins teen?

>>2334536
> people with common sense will tell you we simply dont know
And people who actually know the theory will tell you that time began at the Big Bang, so the question doesn't make sense.

>>2334550
Why does every atheist ever on 4chan always assume that every non-atheist is a Christian?

Is it because, in fact, none of you are actually atheists due to your own logic or reasoning, but merely angsty teenagers trying to use scientific arguments to help you rebel against your parents and religion?

>>2334559

>implying that I'm implying that time is one-dimensional, or a dimension at all for that matter
>implying that I'm NOT implying that our free will and fate our bound, forcing them to coexist

Also, I agree with your third >implying. But our actions and choices we make today are a result of the circumstances of the past. I won't touch the stove today because I got burned when I was a kid, and will avoid it tomorrow for that same reason.

>>2334570
>he thinks time and space are the only things that exist because theyre the only things we are aware of, and thus something had to have come from nothing

the atheist delusion in a nut shell

>>2334567
what adequite theory? You know the rules. Cite the source or you're pulling it out of your ass.

>>2334570
lol u can't argue with logic dude

why is everyone in /sci/ so mad at God?

>>2334550

Wasn't born knowing science but I know it now. Is science void?

>>2334578
nice devil's proof, there, religionfag.

>>2334573

Except that I'm a 30 year old mathematician and not living as an atheist as a way to get back at my dead parents; some of us are just smart enough to not believe in Santa Claus anymore.

>>2334593
can u explain to me why ur mad at God?
He's never done anything to hurt u dude

spacetime!

>>2334591

yes you were
it's called "survival instincts"


I hear newborn babies stop breathing underwater when you sumberge them. You should look it up.

>>2334595

I'm a Christian and I don't believe in Santa Claus either

Now what bitch?

>>2334603

>implying instincts require knowledge

ahahahahahfaggot

>>2334595
if youre so smart why do you use pre-teen arguments like "believing in god is like believing in santa claus?"

i mean, most 8 year olds ive spoken to often bring up the same argument, so how can you feel enlightened for it?

>>2334606
>why

Why not?
What makes you think that religions aren't lies made up by people to explain natural things they couldn't explain thousands of years ago?
It's the most reasonable explanation, seeing you believe in whatever and dismiss all other gods but turn a blind eye on your own. Get out of your shell.

>>2334604
Even though Santa Claus and God both follow similar principles, such as omnipotence, omnipresence, and omniscience? Benevolence (as per the New Testament) perhaps? Why is one viewed as being "legitimate" while the other is passed off as being "absurd?"

>>2334611

>implying my faith is dismissive towards other faiths

fuck off

>>2334611
if they were trying to explain something they didnt understand, how exactly is it a lie?

lol some mathematician you are. you dont even know basic elementary school logic. honestly, i knew this board was full of teenagers but now im starting to suspect everyone who claims to be a "mathematician" or some other academic are just little kids role playing

>>2334615
>implying it fundamentally isn't

>>2334611

>knowledge: –noun ]acquaintance with facts, truths, or principles,

>instinct: -noun ]an inborn pattern of activity or tendency to action common to a given biological species.2.a natural or innate impulse, inclination, or tendency.


yes. considering what knowledge is, you're born KNOWING these things. That's why it's called instinct. you loose.

>>2334614
Fuck you dude. Santa is none of those things and news flash, asshat, omnipotence and omniscience etc. are not necessarily qualities of God

>>2334620

>he can't read the definitions he just posted

>>2334619

it isn't troll

>>2334623

>you're born knowing of it
>knowing
>knowledge

are you retarded?

>>2334618


make that troll playing

>>2334621
-Santa
>Knows when you're "naughty or nice" at all times (omniscience)
>Can travel all over the world in the course of one night, breaking laws of nature left and right all the while (omnipresence, which leads to)
>Is able to procure mass quantities of gifts at a literally impossible rate (omnipresence)

And if God is neither omnipotent nor omniscient, then what point is there in his being "God?"

>>2334626

Acquaintance means that there has been actual experience you nigger as opposed to instinct which requires no familiarity. Are you a native English speaker or not?

face it religiousfags. It's bullshit.

>>2334632
Whoops, last one should be "omnipotence," but that shouldn't be hard to figure.

>>2334636
>he did not read the word "principles"
An instinct is classified as a principle, a condition.

man, you're such a faggot. I pity you, you can't even read beyond the first word.

>>2334632

The celebration of Saint Nicholas is obviously designed to teach humans about divine nature and is allegorical (hate to restate the obvious for you but hey, you feed babies baby food not celery). It teaches your kids about a man who saved women from an awful life.
God's power is higher than that of man. That is enough Saint Augustine was using aggregation to explain to people how to think of God in terms that could properly separate his nature from ours. It wasn't perfect truth but like many scientific truths, it is close enough to be useful to our understanding

>>2334639

>nope.jpg

>>2334654
>cannot refute
>resorts to a single-world reply with a filetype indicator slapped on the end

>>2334651

so you're basically saying it was a part of bullshit to teach humanity to improve it for the greater good.

>>2334203

the final collapse of the last time the universe was here.

that's easy...

ask a hard one...

(everything... EVERYTHING... is cyclical in nature. from the smallest particle to the largest - the circle is the most important cycle we have.

>>2334662
"Atoms...planets...galaxies...circles, everywhere..."

I don't suppose anything about the Ouroboros would be appropriate?

>>2334203

and your diagram is wrong. it should be a torus. a rather large torus, but a torus nonetheless.

people need to quit thinking in two dimensions...

>>2334646

>implying this in any way affects the requirement of familiarity set out by the word acquaintance

ok it's been fun troll but seriously. The point of instincts is that they require no active knowledge to be functional. 3/10 you got me to respond afew times.

>>2334662
>>2334669
So...are you saying that the universe is "doomed" (seems appropriate) to repeat itself forever?

>>2334673

you talk silliness...

genius is the formulation of new ideas by buiklding on previously unconnected information.

instinct is something else. possibly your pet theory?

>>2334659

what's that about devil's proof?

>>2334680

Yes. Our universe is a perpetual machine in of itself.
There were infinite universes before it, and infinite after. All that moves is the reference point of time.

>>2334680

absolutely. not to worry though, it'll be a while before the next iteration.

>>2334686

but don't you see? time doesn't exist if what has decayed is renewed?

entropy begets rebirth?

>>2334680

>doomed
why is it a bad thing? If there's a chance I get to live again, I'd rejoice! I know it's not propable, but laws of physics don't make it impossible. And given enough time, all possible things will happen over, and over, and over.

>>2334688
>>2334686
I have to say, that blows my mind (a little, mostly because of how transient we are in the grand scope of things).

>>2334696
Like I said, it seemed appropriate, though not necessarily for its direct meaning as it was for the sort of "weight" the word bears.

>>2334697

yeah, kind of helps knock us off the pedestal, huh?

>>2334559

Allow me to argue on his behalf. Perhaps it is a movie, but a director, if you may, shall lead it in a direction based solely upon his or her free will.

This does infer that the same set of laws that govern each successive universe do develop, that is, in one way or another.

>>2334632

I think you mean omniPRESENTS amirite?

>>2334723
I...don't know what to make of this.

Every time you sleep, you die. When you wake up you are in a different universe.

>>2334783

[citation needed]

>>2334783
Every second or so, you die. A new you takes your place and your memories, just like you took the place of the one before you.

All universes are static. Not a single atom moves in any of infinite amount of them. Time is just us traveling through parallel universes... think of a flipbook cartoon.

>>2334783
oh yes i love it when you fuck my mind like that

>>2334567

>>this is how atheists usually "disprove" stuff...

whatta ultra maroon!

what has the belief, or not, in a sky pilot got to do with the scientific method?

got think?

>>2334795

not bad!

original?

>>2334783
>>2334791

Our memories and brain waves are transferred each discrete length of time (one planck length). Why make it an arbitrary length of time, like once a second?
We are destroyed and reborn every discrete length of time.

>>2334783

there needs to be a movie based on this

>>2334227

not bad!

original? i'd like to think so!

The Big Foreplay

>>2334536
>atheists will tell you "nothing"
No they won't. Stop inventing strawmen.

>>2334578
>he thinks time and space are the only things that exist because theyre the only things we are aware of, and thus something had to have come from nothing
Not quite. There are two viable options - something always existed, or something came from nothing.

You could call that something which always existed god, but to call it god implies that it answers prayers and shit, which does not follow at all.

Incoming atheist copypasta rant next post.

>>2334875
I am an atheist.

First, why should we care? Why talk about it?
1- People tend to be moral, or at least moral enough for society to function, without delusions. We can "thank" evolution by natural selection.
2- Delusional people tend to make false less moral decisions which affect the public because they base their decisions on falsehoods.
3- People who hold delusions, and even pride themselves on having faith, lack critical reasoning. This makes them easy to mislead and dangerous
4- While not all delusional people are incredibly dangerous, when the delusion is shared, they tend to prop up the real crazies by supporting their "faith" instead of calling shenanigans on it.
5- The harm caused by these delusions tends to outweigh the benefits.

Also, why are they delusions? Why are they wrong? Pick any popular theist religion. It contains equal parts truth, falsehood, and pizza. Let's take Christianity. Genesis and Noah's flood are laughably false. The myth of Jesus's birth with the three wise men is a blatant forgery based on the available evidence, in order to shoehorn him into satisfying an earlier prophecy.

That leaves the unknown and unworshiped theist gods, and the deist gods. At best, we have no positive evidence for their existence, so positive belief in any particular one, is also delusion. The key part is that while a god may exist, it is a delusion to think that you know their mind, their intent. That leaves the inconsequial gods, like deist gods. That kind of god hypothesis is unnecessary at best.

WHY DOES EVERY THREAD ON THIS BOARD ALWAYS GO:

LEGIT SCIENCE QUESTION THAT ADVOCATES THE SPIRIT OF DISCUSSION AND HEALTHY CONVERSATION

TO

NO FUCK YOU, GOD ISNT REAL, THIS IS WHY
NO YOU FUCK ME, GOD IS REAL, THIS IS WHY

FUCK YOU ALL

>>2334933

cuz 14 year olds.

>>2334948
cuz tripfags being tripfags with names like atheistsAreGhey spouting religious bullshit.

didn't read this thread, but nobody here has the answer.

abandon your search for truth, truth is an illusion.

>>2335006
I think someone's still upset about the irrationality of rationality.

>>2335018
>I think someone's still upset about the irrationality of rationality.
What? That makes no sense.