/sci/ - Science & Math

not everyone can be smart

he says as he has artwork of carl sagan.

0/10

Because without artists that sweet shoop of carl sagan wouldn't exist.

To preserve the power of arcana

>>2262020

Who else is gonne make the animation movies and colouring picture for our children.

To entertain the scientists.

to exercise our "right brain"
also to develop character perhaps
i guess its just there because of other unexplainable things like feelings and passion and soul

we don't. We also don't need good tasting food, 4chan, or video games. But we do like those things, so we have them. A lot of people also like "art" so we have that.

to think about things in abstract ways that empirical scientific thinking doesn't cover

A picture can convey ideas better than words can.

To inspire us to do more science.

Art is only useful if it has a purpose.

Besides Science, Art is the greatest study of man.

It exercises and improves the mind, it educates, it assesses formal skill and workmanship. It captures stylised perspectives of historical events. It can be understood in every language. It is the purest form of the expression of human imagination and perception.

You could truthfully say that without Art, Science wouldnt exist. How would you explain science without symbols and words (which evolved from crude icons)

>art history
so many purposes and ideals behind works of art or merely the most simple aspects of art

>>2262095

>Art is only useful if it has a purpose.

that is the most RETARDED thing I've ever read.

Seriously, learn Art Theory, and may God have mercy on your soul for that statement.

Entertainment.

>>2262104
well art is only usefull to science if it has a purpose. many people call fashion an art but it doesnt help at all.

>>2262095
i guess you were thinking of modern art when you typed that
then again you could find other purposes for those pieces of "art"

I'll bite

Einstein said "If you want your children to be intelligent, read them fairy tales. If you want them to be more intelligent, read them more fairy tales."

Some of the greatest minds in history were artists and storytellers, the reason being that you can communicate a lot of significant ideas using the arts that are hard to communicate with scientific notes and speeches, because a story or picture can simulate the idea and demonstrate how it applies to everyday reality.

Our superhero comics, for example, simulate a lot of concepts concerning civilization; the way people react to strange and powerful things and strange people, and the effects of vigilance, and tons of other stuff. All with a lot of simplicity.

Psychologists and sociologists could have explained all this stuff with lengthy speeches, big obscure words and esoteric concepts, and eventually communicate all the same ideas, but you would only understand it if you're a sociologist yourself, and even then there's a lot of padding. Comics on the other hand, both explain the concepts and simulate them (to varying degrees of accuracy) all in a few panels, and anyone can understand it without knowing the big words and having a background in sociology.

>>2262109

the renaissance man

ring a bell anywhere?

Isn't art merely an abstract representation of science and math? Beauty is held in high regards, but beauty is always in the eye of the beholder. We might find joy in particle collisions or abstract math. However, art is just an attempt to capture the essence of math and science. Life must be lived within balance of emotion and reason. Since we are reasonable animals, it can be concluded that logic leads and emotion follows. However, emotion must be present.

>>2262153

>reasonable animals
>logic leads
>emotion follows

You are very sorely mistaken. I agree that the Arts are valuable, but your reasoning is very flawed.

define "need"
define "art"

>>2262169
I am not saying that all humans hold reason in high regards. However, we have the ability to rationalize abstract concepts and ideas. This is what makes us unique from other animals and life forms. If we follow only our emotional instincts, we would be no better than the creatures that react on impulse and impulse alone. Therefore, I assert that we are rational animals, where our inherent logical nature should be put first and emotion to follow. They should be applied in tandem. Thus, we arrive at the necessities for both the sciences and the arts.

>>2262153

>Isn't art merely an abstract representation of science and math?

No, no it isnt. In fact, what?

>>2262230
for example, highly stylized patterns are used in (for example) pen and ink drawings...
abstract is a very broad term

HUMAN ANATOMY

>>2262020
People like shiny shit.

Art is a very broad idea. Anything that stimulates the senses, emotion, or intellect can be considered art.

You could even say some mathematical proofs, or physical hypothesis are forms of art. Mathematicans and Physicist often do.

artists are generally careful observers of the natural world.

as are scientists.

just different interpretations of reality, arising from a similar initial process. scientists often focus too closely on details, artists can be counted on to examine larger relationships. Each observes and records knowledge. Human knowledge is only valuable to human beings.

>>2262230
Think about it. Art can be taken to mean many things. Sculptures, paintings, architecture, literature and music. Raphael's sculptures had the physical representation of physics and mathematics. Music can be broken into harmonics and mathematical equations. Even Leonardo knew that art had it's place. His paintings and his works in literature helped expand the horizon as to the applications and aesthetics of math and science. Almost any piece of art you can think of can be represented in math and science.

>>2262263
artists focus on the details too
take botanical illustrations for example

>>2262281

its like saying "Isnt Art just Science?"

Well yes, because everything can be bracketed as Science...

Apart from the fact that, of course, Art spawned Science in the first place. Art is the mother of science.

We used art to attract others, war paint to scare others. We drew buffalos to teach the young. We told stories with our line drawings in the mud. It is the most basic language in the world, but incredibly complex at the same time. Kinda like Java, but it works.

Science is Art. From the molecular realm to the macro, there's the same intent to illustrate, illuminate and create. The "Arts" is a vague title that can encompass even the strange dances of proteins in a zygote. Or maybe I'm saying all this because I'm on acid right now... which was made by SCIENCE. And I think I'm going to fingerpaint under the influence of science.

>>2262283
different levels of detail is all.

when I first started studying anatomy I concentrated on the huge amounts of detail on the surface, and was amazed at all the things I had never before noticed.

but if you cut into the surface you find even greater levels of underlying detail... and beyond that even more... an exponential expansion of detail that we never see and mostly go through life not begining to imagine.

the artist can see those details, they have the eye for it, but often don't go beyond the surface to see the underlying clockworks.

in that respect they see the bigger picture, the larger relationships. I'm not saying that's bad, and in fact I think artists tend to make great scientists and vice versa. Just different chosen scope and resolution...

>>2262297
>>2262297
I believe science is the mother of art.

Us looking at the scientifical wonders of the universe around seems to be what inspired art.

>>2262300
>>2262297
Exactly. This is why we need the arts. The arts are science and vice versa. Without them, we are lacking a part of humanity that is crucial to the progression of our species. If only we can get our senators and congressmen to understand the necessities for arts and sciences, (including math), in public schooling.

I thought of this thread when i saw this
http://www.flickr.com/photos/69599955@N00/5075049116/in/pool-22384202@N00

>>2262326
wow, you really went off the rails right there at the end

Google "Mark Francis"

Hes a very influential British artist who spent many years studying Biology and Physics. He now paints huge canvases of microbes and cells which sell for millions.

I have experienced his work first hand, and find it oddly soothing and logical, and complete.

>>2262358
Apologies, our state is so backwards in education. They cut all the arts, foreign languages and even a good portion of the sciences so we could have a new football stadium. That is not important in this thread. My argument stated above is still relevant.

To make life not suck. What's the poin of science if our lives are boreing and uneventful?

>>2262366
bulshit, thats just the placebo effect. you know that people pay millions for it so your brain trys to find something interesting in it even though it is stupid.

computer generated vidoes of cells are WAY more interesting that that faggots shitty "art".

trolling is a art

Because art is pretty fucking neato.

Science is an art guys.

>>2262460
This door. Please use it.