/sci/ - Science & Math

>>2244620
What do you feel about the plausibility of the axiom of choice, the well-ordering principle, and Zorn's lemma?

How does it feel to possess absolutely no practical intelligence?

Do you realize that you are being cheated out of many sexual experiences that you can never create for yourself as a jaded adult?

>>2244626
Pretty good.
>>2244627
Well, I vaguely know what those are (1st is an 'assumption' 'axiom' of set theory, 2nd is ... Well, I actually don't need to explain them if you just asked about them), but what do you mean what do I feel about them?
What the fuck do you feel about the Ramanujan conjecture?

>15
>PHD in Mathematics
>any playstation I want

How does it feel to be a raging faggot that will miss out on awesome college experiences because of some misguided presupposition that going to college early is good for you?

>>2244644
Well, that kind of sucks. And yes I've thought about that, but sort of indirectly. The thing is, I was bored in high school (not saying I'm superior to all the people stuck in high school), and I want to learn. I know, that sounded kind of faggish. But anyways, you get the point.
>>2244650
I sort of grinned.

lol if this is real (most likely not, or probably some shitty unknown school):

How was your talent discovered? Did it come naturally or did someone push you? How did you get exposed to higher level mathematics so early? I remember back before college, all they did with gifted math students was hand them harder problems and send them to honors classes. Then USAMO rolled around... that was a total surprise for me.

Also, what area are you most interested in?

>>2244620
why is ur mum such a dirty whore

>>2244648
Do you think they're "true"? How do you feel when you say that there exists a "lessthan" relation for which every non-empty subset of the real numbers contains a least element? That really bugs me. I might even call it false.

For the axiom of choice, it seems natural that there exists a function which maps every single non-empty subset of the reals to an element in the input set.

Do you agree?

lol dis nigga went full retard. u aint gettin no play in college, jimmy nuetron as lookin nigga. u gonn be in some room by yourself , u aint gonna be smokin no weed or drinkin any booze. when u graduate u just gon be gettin dem pampers off, congrats nigga, u stupid!

What's with all the "hyper intelligent" fucks posting on here?
Shouldn't it just be the normal barely genius level types?
Also, going to college early is stupid. You're gonna miss out on a lot of fun in life. Life is about enjoyment just as much as it is knowledge. Pursue both. A more complete person is more fulfilled.

>>2244682

AND FUCK WALTER BISHOP

>>2244682

I lol'd even though the way this subhuman nigger types makes my brain hurt.

>>2244620

What books do you enjoy reading, faggot?

>>2244692
inb4 diss nigga says good night moon and some dr seuss ass shit. fuck dis nigga

>>2244658
First, the school is local. It's Capilano College.
Well, no, no one pushed me. I started talking to my tutor about different subjects other than homework which I felt was getting very tiring. So we started talking about I think analytical philosophy, sadly because I saw Noam Chomsky talking about it. But I guess the real way I discovered it was realizing I hated my textbooks so I just learned myself (and teachers have helped me in school, including mathematics teachers), and wrote in a few notebooks making notes, and trying to form newer mathematical concepts. I guess it fired off from there. I got exposed to them through my tutor. By the way, my tutor was originally for French because I was failing.

Do you mean which area in mathematics am I most interested in?

>>2244667
The simplest answer to that is I don't know, because I don't. But what you're saying isn't completely beyond my head. Do you have any other way of communication other than here? (don't mean to be so personal, it's just hard to respond to all these at the same time, plus it seems like you would be good to talk to). Also, just letting you know, I don't know a ton about set theory, I do know about Cantor's life though.
The latter, if you do have another form of communication, we can talk about later.

>>2244679
I honestly don't like the word genius, as the only time I ever hear it is if people are recollecting some obscure form of knowledge that they somehow memorized, or if they got a high IQ.

>>2244682
no.

>>2244692
Torrented books. I don't usually like fiction.

>>2244696
OP here.

>>2244706
I was referring to the IQ threshold, but you're right its misused there.
Anyways, point still stands. You are ruining your life and you're too inexperienced in life to know it yet.
Sucks to be you, man.

>>2244706
>The simplest answer to that is I don't know, because I don't. But what you're saying isn't completely beyond my head. Do you have any other way of communication other than here? (don't mean to be so personal, it's just hard to respond to all these at the same time, plus it seems like you would be good to talk to). Also, just letting you know, I don't know a ton about set theory, I do know about Cantor's life though.
>The latter, if you do have another form of communication, we can talk about later.

Sorry, just testing your knowledge of math. Still has a ways to go. Not refuting anything you say at all. You do appear to be around entry level college education in the ways of math.

PS: The axiom of choice is equivalent to the well-ordering principle which is equivalent to Zorn's lemma. That's-the-joke.jpg

Why are you such an attention whore making threads like this?

>>2244722
I'm glad.
So do you have another means of communication or do you just not want to?

How many friends do you have and of what quality are the friendships?

How does it feel to be more successful than me and to make me sad?

>>2244721
Well, when I get fucked down the road, I'll be sure to remember you, Anon.

>>2244727
Yes I can talk about things which aren't math.
Btw,
>So do you have another means of communication or do you just not want to?
Sounds... childish almost. Patronizing maybe? Then again, so was I, so touche.

>>2244734
Well, it wasn't meant to be. I don't have many people to have these types of conversations with.

>>2244730
Uhm, 3, they're decent.
pls no joke on me

I've known people like you. I have an odd, strong urge to know who you are beyond "anon".

OP has a very long way to go, and will have to work his ass off studying.

but don't listen to the people saying you have to finish those 3 years of HS. It's not required that every human being goes into college at 18. Plus you probably won't miss that much anyways, if high school really sucked. Just go your own path, and do the best you can.

>>2244751
No really, thanks for saying that.

>>2244759
Enjoy being "that" kid that everyone else in the class gives nasty looks to and moves away from. Also enjoy a completely broken, most likely non-existent social life.

>>2244706

>Torrented books. I don't usually like fiction.

OP confirmed for philistine who happens to be good at juggling symbols around in his head.

>>2244761

>confirmed for faggot who wishes he was a girl and reads romance novels

>>2244761
Forgive me, I don't feel like listing books off that I like reading into my head to a complete stranger.

>>2244760
thx boi

>>2244774
Nothing wrong with being a faggot and wishing you were a girl.

But reading books is retarded.

>>2244760
I entered college at 18 and have a broken, non-existant social life.

oh look. its another "I'm younger and smarter than you thread."

remind me what this has to do with science?

>>2244779
Fuck you.

>>2244788
Well, where does it say "hurr im smarter den u haha"?
I'm pretty sure I explicitly stated : "The thing is, I was bored in high school (not saying I'm superior to all the people stuck in high school),"
Thanks.

Well, first it's math and science, and second, are you really expecting every topic on this board to be about mathematics and science?
Okay, do you want to talk about math or science?
Go to a math or science topic.

What is your IQ?

Are/were you part of a gifted program?

>>2244796
Not samefag, but I got some math for you OP

14<18

You're underage, therefore you shouldn't even be here.

>>2244799
Why is IQ relevant?
I'll only answer that if you prove to me that 1) IQ is objective, and 2) that it's relevant.

I was, yes. But it's not very big, it's local.

>>2244803
I'm here.
What a rebel I am.

>>2244759
Dude you'll be fine. If you have a drive and motivation to get shit done, you will have a good experience.

No friends? I don't think so, you will make friends, in college, not everyone is so immature as they would hate a kid that is smarter than them. They are there to learn, you can learn from them, they can learn from you.

Good luck.

>>2244788
Not OP, but calm down dude, skipping HS now a days doesn't show that much more intelegence than anyone, just a stronger drive/ a drive that developed sooner.

Hey OP, you got an AIM?

>>2244809

define objective.

check mate.

>>2244620

hey OP, what's so interesting about math? whyd you choose it over something else like physics, or philosophy or something applied and cool

OP, what programs did you use to study to get up to entery level math/science?

>>2244822
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=define+objective

>>2244819
No, but I can make one if you want.

2 nice anon's in this thread (not including me).

>>2244835
I'm Canadian. The administration at first didn't let me take any courses, so I had to talk the professor into letting me prove myself. So I audited 2 courses and then got in a real course, got sufficient grades, and the professor helped me after that. I was a lucky exception, I know people who weren't so lucky.

>>2244836
Or Chem, shit makes me so wet. ^_^

THESE TROLLS ARE GETTING OUT OF FUCKING CONTROL

THERE ARE NO YOUNG GENIUSES ON /SCI/ FUCKING TRUST ME

what do YOU want? really?

>>2244836
Well, I might end up double majoring in physics but honestly I didn't want to take that now. I just want a little experience first before I think of doing that.

And, to me, mathematics is beautiful.
Bertrand Russell puts it best,
"Mathematics, rightly viewed, possesses not only truth, but supreme beauty — a beauty cold and austere, like that of sculpture, without appeal to any part of our weaker nature, without the gorgeous trappings of painting or music, yet sublimely pure, and capable of a stern perfection such as only the greatest art can show. The true spirit of delight, the exaltation, the sense of being more than Man, which is the touchstone of the highest excellence, is to be found in mathematics as surely as poetry."

>>2244851
This is what I want, as far as I know. I'm trying my best not to sound like a naive idiot.

>>2244843
Thanks, for the help :)

don't feel like you need to make an AIM, I just thought if you did I'd add you.

So how often do you browse /sci/?
What grades did you get in school?
Will you be leaving many friends behind in HS?

OP:

Valery Kuleshov and Vlad Horowitz >>> Van Cliburn any day of the week.

>>2244850
*cough*he allready said he wasn't that much smarter than anyone else, he just has more drive, as Napolian said "abillity is nothing without opratunity".*cough*

>>2244863
Do you have an msn?
You seem like a decent person to talk to, I need more of those.

>So how often do you browse /sci/?
I've been browsing less, but it really depends on if I find a good thread or not. But, daily. If not every 2 days for sure.
>What grades did you get in school?
Which year?
Grade 8 - C+'s and B's, one C-
Grade 9 (so far) - 2 A's, the rest B's except for one C+ in Japanese.
>Will you be leaving many friends behind in HS?
3 or 4. The rest are acquaintances. I mean, we might hang out from time to time because our houses aren't that far apart, but I can already tell we'll end up drifting away from each other.

>>2244866

>>2244620

Grade 9'r turning 15 in June here.

Is your life already planned out after you earn your major? What are you gonna do? What job? When, etc

Living the dream OP

I always wanted to be "that kid" when I was younger, but alas I got stuck with the "You're below average intelligence and you're completely fucked if you even consider academia"

Even basic multiplication is a challenge without a calculator

>>2244869
Sorry, right now I'm on an iPod and the stupid program won't let me sign up for msn :/
If you could wait till tommorow I could get msn working, do you have an email?

>>2244888
Are you serious?....
Wow.
Okay, well, by the way I also wanted to be 'that kid'. Just to let you know, I'm not sure if that will make you feel better. I don't anymore, because I realize that I am who I am and it's kind of stupid to compare, especially when it comes to that kind of shit.

Is there anything you have a passion for?

>>2244886
Not really.
I'd have 3 job options, and 1 would require extra schooling + a shit load of tests.
A professor (hard as fuck to get)
An actuary (the shit load of tests + schooling)
An accountant (some more extra schooling + a tiny amount of tests)

There's other jobs too probably that I haven't looked into, but basically no I don't have my life planned out.

Also, another problem is being stuck in debt. I'm gonna have to solve that problem too, I'm not all that rich.

>>2244891
Let me make an e-mail quick.

>>2244858

thats what i mean, why not get into philosophy of math, logic, set theory

regular math seems trivial compared to it

>>2244900
I'm getting into a set theory course soon anyways.

'Regular' math isn't trivial compared to it, the other stuff is just more interesting and philosophical. Honestly, we'll see what happens.

>>2244891
hiderphere@hotmail.ca

>>2244899
When you finish send me your msn username to "888gabe@gmail.com", I'll add you once I get my msn started.

How many tests did you need to do to get into college?
Was it hard?

>>2244915
>How many tests did you need to do to get into college?
The professor made me do 12 in all.
>Was it hard?
Depends which part. The majority of it, no.

>>2244908
Ok, sent you a message.

>>2244899

I didn't really mean anything by it, I just felt like bitching in your thread as I usually do when intelligence/IQ/etc pops up. All I really have to say is enjoy it and keep going, you have potential. Something not everyone has.

What I'm passionate about doesn't really matter, I'll be fine thanks to vocational school. Its just a real pain when I can't understand anything beyond an elementary level. Oh well~

Good luck op.

>>2244926
What do you mean?
I'm fucking retarded with this hotmail shit.
You sent an e-mail or you sent an invitation or something?

>>2244927
mustfeelbadman........

>>2244927
Wow, that really sucks :/

have you tried alternatives to regular schooling, sometimes people that struggle will excel in alternative programs.

>>2244929
I just sent you an email...
Not sure how hotmail works, have you checked your spam imbox?

>>2244937
Oh, alright I got it.
How old are you?

>>2244929
Acctualy wait, the account I was using is suddenly messed up, I'll send you a messege from a new account, sorry about that :/

>>2244886
>Me

>>2244869
I'm lookin' at your grades. I'm getting mostly As in Gr 8 and 9, and I'm still worrying if I'm gonna make it to UBC after graduation.

So looking at your grades (with all due respect), should I really worry about getting all As?

>>2244946
Grade 10-12, sure.
It depends on your location but...
Your grade 8 and 9 marks and anything before that honestly mean nothing to colleges or any tertiary education. As a matter of fact, you could fail your courses in grade 9 and if your parents said they wanted you in grade 10, you'd be put in grade 10.

The thing is, I got those grades because of boredom of apathy; not because I tried and failed. You shouldn't really worry about it that much until you get to grade 10. And if you want to get into college early, well, to be honest, there isn't a clear cut path, but I'm doing it and people have done it, so there's obviously a path to doing it.

>>2244961
Alright.

I'm in Nanaimo BC btw. You're in Canada too right?

Grade 9, why?

OP, are there aspects of life you feel you're lacking in? Don't be over critical because everyone has faults but do you personally feel inept at any overt things?

Not your blog.

>>2244966
>mfw I'm typing this in 4chan
Vancouver.

>>2244971
Not really, no.

>>2244973
It's my thread. If you don't like it, leave?

>>2244975
It's a science board. Where's the science? I see a lot of "LOOK AT ME!" but no science.

What's with that?

>>2244979
I've already explained that. But okay.

First, it's science and math, and no math is not a science.

Second, either go to another thread or start some science here, but it would be off of the original topic. At the same time, I'd be fine with that.

What would you like to discuss?

>>2244966
>>2244975
O_O
Powell River, representing.

>>2244988

>O_O

Stop that. Don't be a faggot.

>>2244667

The problem is, that a lot of our proofs of mathematical facts rely (sometimes very subtly) on arguments employing Zorn's Lemma or the Well Ordering Principle. I think it's less an issue of whether we think they're true and moreso something like "it seems natural that we should be able to do something like this."

>>2244803
you realise this is /sci/ and not /b/

You might be really intelligent.

But you are still underage b&.