/sci/ - Science & Math

No funding; can also sometimes teach critical thinking.

All contemporary art is bullshit and pretentious garbage. Makes me wonder why these generations get so many shitty artists when compared to The Rennaisance. We should have another Leonardo by now for fucks sake.

Just an example of the overall decline in the education system.

There are barely any people that like art or drama go into it. Mostly pretentious hipsters that just don't want to go into P.E.

Feels bad man. The arts are part of a healthy intellectual diet. Can't subsist on logic alone.

>>2214278
Both should be required and both should be engaging so students are interested.

>>2214299
Education is soooo going to be a major change.

>>2214310
Is English not your first language? Because your grammar sucks.

>decline in arts

Well, fuck. Why am I still being forced to have art credits in university?

>>2214310
I think we need to reinvent the entire world, then maybe the reality of things will actually be acceptable.

>>2214310
I wonder how much money it would take to actually buy that island.

we'd probably have to double Australia GPD wouldnt we?

fuck the arts, i'd rather have kids go to 10 hours of science classes that one hour of drama or art

>>2214349
then they would become horrible scientists.
Science classes are route memorization shit. I learned more from the joys of science; science literacy education CD, and cosmos than I did in 12 years of compulsory education.

>>2214319
80% of the time I post on /sci/ I am high. Also I haven't spoken English out loud for the past two weeks I think.
>>2214338
Catch flies with honey etc.
>>2214344
What is this buy you speak of?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Hutt_River

>>2214349
Then you're a horrible person. There are a lot of people that just don't want to be scientists, but have a great interest in some sort of art. Denying them that will just be a boring an unfulfillable school experience that they'll be glad to get away from and never have anything to do with again.

>>2214360
>route memorization

>>2214367
So what, you actualy think we can convince the population of that island to succeed? what's in it for them? We're trying to form a technocracy.

>>2214390
On an island full of primitive screw heads? Are you trying to fail?

>>2214399
Then how do you plan to succeed?
you can't declare independence from a nation when the people there don't want to.

>>2214425
Gradual reform.

>>2214390
My plan involves more of the building of these cities incognito away from the populated towns. Once completed we will establish a border and reveal ourselves to the world, calling on every scientist, engineer, artist, and smart person in general to come down to here to fulfill their dreams. We will declare war on Australia by sending a message to the Queen. The very day after we will say we have stopped the war. Most likely the borders will be a fair bit smaller than what I show, but we will be very open about that this is an experimental system and if it works well we want to share it with the rest of the world. Most Queenstownians and Zeehanians will look at our kickass cities and either move there or insist with their councils to join with our country. Opening up a massive trade business with Australia where they give us the materials/minerals necessary and the automated systems fashion them into extremely high quality products will most likely pacify their government. The bottom line is that Tasmania is a pretty great piece of land but they're not doing any sort of serious development on it.

And if that doesn't work, fuck them all.

>>2214462

Nothing to see here, folks. Just another Randroid.

>>2214462
YES.

>>2214462
your idea is retarded, you cant build cities in the middle of tasmania without attracting attention, do you even understand the requirements of the modern city? and how horrible it would be to build a revolutionary one on the land you selected? picture related, its what you'd have to find a way to make virtually soundless. not to mention all the other tools, oh and don't forget shipping the parts without being seen by Australian coast guards.

>>2214466
I don't like Ayn Rand, if that is what you're implying
>>2214477
My plan hinges on two very impostant technologies; namely strong AI that can do 99% of human jobs and labour alongside a large blueprint database of buildings and objects. I am confident the former will happen, and I'm actually maybeprobablypossibly soon creating a precursor the the latter.

>>2214491
And you still completely ignore the resource and logistics issues.

>>2214466
I don't like Ayn Rand, if that is what you're implying
>>2214477
My plan hinges on two very important technologies; namely strong AI that can do 99% of human jobs and labour alongside a large blueprint database of buildings and objects. I am confident the former will happen, and I'm actually maybeprobablypossibly soon creating a precursor the the latter.

This is a plan that relies entirely on those two specific things to happen. They don't happen, no TRS.

>>2214491
... short of shooting down coast guards there is no way you are going to get the materials to build a super city, there is no way you are going to be able to hide it from the inhabitants, and there is no way you could do it quietly, even if you had an army of robots tons of material have to be moved dug out erected and bolted into place.

>>2214491
What the fuck, it told me that the captcha was incorrect

>>2214268
>contemporary art

What's wrong with it?

What is the quill pen, Gears, and light bulb, suppose to symbolize?

>>2214503
The materials will be mined on-site. You have to understand this is a very alpha 0.01v of the plan, and I will have some serious refining to do over the next thirty years. I will eventually call in more people to finalize systems and method of construction.
>and there is no way you could do it quietly
If a building is erected in the middle of a forest and on one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?

>>2214531
So you plan to keep a huge mining, manufacturing, and construction operation hidden on a small island that doesn't even have all the resources you need? Good luck with that.

>>2214531
short of inventing capsule corps we've basically proven its impossible with evidence only a creationist would reject. You're on your own you colossal retard

>>2214544
>So you plan to keep a huge mining, manufacturing, and construction operation hidden
Most mining will most probably be done underground and not open-cut. Most manafacturing plants will actually be built underground to save space. Construction of visible buildings and streets will be done in the last stage of the plan.
>hidden on a small island
>Total 90,758 km2
Not quite that small, and the large majority of the population resides in Hobart and Launceston.
>that doesn't even have all the resources you need?
Lack of commercial mining =/= Lack of metals

>>2214531
Do it man, I've got your back. Sounds like my kind of place.

I've got some brilliant friends going into AI development right now, this stuff is just around the corner. Fuck all the haters.

>>2214565
I like it, I want to get away from the retards who spend so much time telling us what can't be done.

Inurdaes, are you actually serious?

>>2214553
No, logical objections were brought up and I showed that they do not have to be a big problem.
>>2214566
:3
>>2214569
If future technologies unfold the way I need them to (which is a fairly high probablity) then yes, I am really fucking serious.

>>2214570
You'll want to stay the fuck away from /sci/ then, the whole point is to find out what can and can't be done.
You want religion or /x/ or something I hear those guys think you can get anything you want by praying for it or saying magic words. sounds pretty awesome.

>>2214574
>>refuted
No, no you did not, thats why I didn't bother bringing in more. why don't you just change your name to demski while you are at it.

>>2214574
How much money do you have?

>>2214575
I can assure you there is no science getting done on /sci/

>>2214577
Whatever you say. And I think you meant Dembski.
>>2214580
Exactly 0 dollars at the moment. But I have several plans to change that.

ITT: faggots who, if it 60 years ago, would say that the computer has no practical personal applications.

>>2214577
MSHA certified hard-rock miner here.

he refuted just fine

>>2214349
You are a semi-professional artist or illustrator who's having trouble finding enough work and wants to weed out future competition

>>2214591
How are you going to get that money?

It's quite sad. What's even worse, perhaps, is that universities, whose fucking duty it is to provide the best education possible for their students, are cutting many arts & humanities classes. Fucking angry.

Captcha: lowding Princeton,

>>2214603
I have preliminary estimations of around $5 million to 20 million dollars. This can be achieved from creating that precursor system website for designs, and generating revenue from that to investing, donations or even making a business out of medical marijuana. I will be trying a lot of shit.

>>2214594
No he did not. As far as i can tell you have no degree in smuggling high explosives secretly into a country, and no idea how much material would have to be moved to make a city. why do you think Commercial mining is so limited? where are you going to hide the dirt and noise? he never refuted any of these things and youre an ignoramous for thinking "Hurr i'm at the beginning of my plan we'll just move it all underground that will solve everything" is a sufficient argument to even the issue of keeping the place hidden not to even touch others.

>>2214610
>implying the rockefellers aren't going to take over your country and you will become a puppet

>>2214268
What are you talking about. Check Deviant art and youll see works that rival Deviant art in quality.

>>2214628
Oops, I meant "rennaisance paintings in quality."

>>2214615
Heh, mining with explosives. I GUESS I'LL NEED A LOT OF GLYCERIN AND COTTON BALLS
But in all seriousness, explosions are muffled underground, and this will be taken slowly at first. I am not an expert on mining. I will be the first to admit it. But eventually there will be people interested in joining my project decades from now when it actually starts picking up serious steam that have experience and knowledge in these areas. Not to mention I will also have gained a lot of knowledge relating to these things.

Look, I'm going to try as hard as I can to make this happen. If it doesn't happen, at least I can say I fucking tried to make the world a little better.

>>2214615
your complaint was about noise, underground mining is fairly quiet, certainly quiet enough to get away with in a sparesly populated area.

getting explosives is a matter of buying them and shipping them, it's actually easier to do if you aren't claiming citizenship in any country. It's only smuggling if you get caught.

where to hide the dirt? Learn to backfill a stope, and don't argue shit you know nothing about.

>>2214631
First, give us a link.

Next, they use photoshop.
they are cheating

>>2214636
thats great, tell you what. when you fail, I'll offer you free citizenship on the red planet, because by the time the crap your talking about becomes practical, we're going to be terraforming that planet and there's much less angry ignorant Australians to displace and subterfuge.

for now I suggest you start thinking very hard where your going to put all that dirt you excavate to build underground manufacturing and mining metals.

>>2214636
You are one of the reasons I haven't lost all faith in humanity.

Let's do this thing.

>>2214644
See
>>2214639

>>2214645
Aw yeeeeeeee.

>>2214645
agreed, I've wanted to do exactly this for ages.

>>2214649


"Every valuable human being must be a radical and a rebel, for what he must aim at is to make things better than they are."

-Niels Bohr

>>2214662
>>2214653
>>2214645

>>2214639
>>2214649
Cute, but if you go ahead with your project I'm sure you'll realize why thats not an answer eventually.

anyway enjoy your province, I'll enjoy my little red dot.

Inurdaes, you are awesome.

Where are you from?

Hey Inurdaes, how can I know where to contact you in the future in case /sci/ is gone or you disappear for some reason?

Are you creating a website for the project?

>>2214674
Mmkay that's nice honey.

>>2214681
Australia.
>>2214682
Shall be creating a site when I have the necessary funds to begin work.

>>2214685
What, you think you can take mars? enjoy the rail guns. Interplanetary invasion is even less practical than your little pet project

You guys are faggots. The fatcats of the world won't let nerds rule.

>>2214692
some of us are fatcats AND nerds

>>2214691
BRING IT ON MARSFAG
>>2214692
I'll just offer Bezos and Zuckerberg free servers.

>>2214645

You're one of the reasons I have.

God dammit people. Those of you who actually side with this dumbass wanting to build a secret country of ultra-modern megacities are fucking retarded. You may never call yourself scientists, ever. Fuck you all, go to hell.

Pretty sure once we get to Mars we'll realize things are awesome and there's going to be no need for any animosity between various communities because we're all kickass, intelligent people making our way to the stars.

>>2214715
>Those of you who actually side with this dumbass wanting to build a secret country of ultra-modern megacities are fucking retarded.
The building part is secret. And it won't be a megacity by any stretch of the imagination in the beginning. Think more like supporting 150,000 with space to expand and restructure far more.

>>2214715
lol'd
some unpublished kid telling me I'm not a scientist
I love /sci/

>>2214715
The best part of science is imagination.

Without imagination, there would be no progress.
We have to develop new things and push our boundaries, not just keep things as they are. Anything could be a world-changing invention or discovery. See: the internet.

>>2214708
.. No no really, I'm serious about this, Humanity now has the capability to destroy the death star and there is no such thing as stealth in space. the distance between the earth and mars is so immense that invasion becomes impossible. the only applicable war path is MAD.

>>2214719
>>2214736

>>2214719
Thats the whole point of my idea being hundreds of times better here, the only problem with it is how to keep the religious loonies out of the picture. The last thing we need on our trip to the stars is chauvinism and Religion is rife with Anthropocentric bullshit,

This thread went from bad to really bad to complete shit

You should all feel bad for getting trolled so easily

>>2214781
trolled by whom?

Then lets bring it back to reality.

Lets try this: We all love the arts, humanities, etc., but how much are we incorporating them into our education? Obviously we're lacking severely in the school systems...so the burden is upon us to learn them! What all do you guys do, assuming you are science-oriented people?

I study Biochem/Biophys in college and do research in the same, which leaves little time for other stuff, but I try to read as much as I can (Classics, Philosophy), and I have been trying to learn a 4th and 5th language as well. It isn't much, but it's something.

What all are you guys doing?

>>2214799
I plan to relearn HTML, and then go on to CSS and Javascript.
Thinking of learning French.

>>2214799
I actually went to art school for two years then realized commercially it's just fucked and I love science way more anyway.

So I generally do things creatively, for example for Christmas I'm doing some drawings for people instead of spending money on gifts because IMO it's more heartfelt.

Watch this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iG9CE55wbtY

>>2214838

This is awesome! Thank you.

>>2214838
Would anyone be so kind as to summarize? I'm on 56k at the moment (yes they still make that).

>>2214907
"My contention is that creativity now is as important as literacy and that we should treat it with the same status."

That doesn't make the video justice though. Watch it.

>>2214907
>>2214926

Yea, it's really a shame simply to summarize it. I can try though:

1. Creativity is of supreme importance
2. Our education punishes mistakes, and thus squelches creativity
3. Public education is the same world-wide, a hierarchy that merits some things very highly, others very poorly
4. Intelligence has more facets than we credit it with, or at least we don't hold each facet of equal value
5. We need to acknowledge and encourage these differences of intelligence

These are just 5 bullet points...but you really do need to watch the whole video. It's brilliant, and pretty funny as well.

>>2214963
>>2214926
Thanks guys, I'll make a note to watch it when I have access to some better net. Sounds like they know what they're talking about.

When I was in school, kids had to do things ONE WAY, and ONE WAY ONLY. Follow instructions! No deviations from the plan! Nevermind if you have a better suggestion! Do what I say!

What do the light bulb, gears, and quill pen, symbolize in that pic?

>>2215675
>light bulb
ideas, problem solving
>gears
thinking
>quill pen
literacy

troll?

what is K-12 education ?

>>2215714
Kindergarten - Year 12

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