/sci/ - Science & Math

>have improved
Good luck quantifying that.

Your argument sort of goes both ways btw. Is there evidence nationalism has 'improved' nationalist countries?

>>2191982

Look at before, and after.

>>2191982
Either way, forcing Muslims to live with swedes has done wonderful things for them. Murders. Rapes. Car bombs.

>>2191985

Before: Hiroshima is thriving city
After: Fallout 0

>>2191985
look at what and how do you measure it though

>>2191982
I'm just saying "multiculturalism and diversity" are nonsense, and any discussion that broaches the subject should be treated like creationism.

>>2191973
England.

Engish culture is purely a mash of Saxon, Angle, Breton and Norse cultures.

In b4 HURR MUSLIMS

>>2191995
And how do YOU measure it? Rapes? Destruction of property? Violence?

Those are IMPROVEMENTS?!

>>2192003
Hurr, correlation implies causation.

>>2191998
Population never broke 100k.

Try again, and cite your example from the modern era.

>>2192003
Correlation does not imply causation. Also you are completely ignoring the option of covariates. I thought you wanted to be scientific about this you idiot.

>>2191998
>England
>Colonize half the world
>Complain about imigrants

>>2192008
the problems didn't exist before the Muslims, so YES, it does for this example.

>>2192015
He said the Saxons. Go get me some originals.

>>2192016
[citation needed]

/new/ ---->

>Be a muslim
>Work hard and get a good job
>Small minority of muslims (minority of a minority hurrr) cause problems
>White jobless master race Amerifats claim all muslims are the cancer killing the US

OP is a nigger for being biased. Ask for scientific evidence and yet be completely closed to any argument. Good job /b/ tard.

>>2192023
How many car-bombings did they have in the past 100 years?

>>2192038

That's because I asked for scientific evidence, not arguments.

no it hasn't. humans are a tribalistic species, and the more the members of a tribe resemble each other the better they can work as a team. look at japan and how well their society works. homogeneity and their generally non-aggressive behavior patterns in the gene pool produce a clean and functional community.

human races are like dog breeds. you would not seriously want to mix yourself with a pitbull if you were an intelligent border collie, would you?

the globalist elite love multiculturalism, because it's a way for them to return to a feudal pyramid society. diversity is the opposit eof unity and makes the populace subservient.

>>2192091
yet you present them yourself?
>>2192086
you tell me

>>2192096
Sure is pseudo-sociology in here.

>>2192099
There has to be proof that "multiculturalism and diversity" has a provable positive OR a provable negative effect on a culture, and all there is proof of is their negative effects on society. Anything more than 500 years ago has no actual proof, just archeological evidence of the winner.

>>2192102

"Multiculturalism and diversity" are buzzwords. They need PROOF, or they are as scientific as a "cascade reaction".

itt: people still set in the nineteen century

>>2192102
ok, here is some more "pseudo-sociology":

diversity is the opposite of diversity. mixing every human race into a brown mass is the opposite of having a diverse species.

>>2192117
Did "super silly-strings" have something to say?

HMMMMMMMMM?

>>2192114
Just about as scientific as your little rant about the globalist elite.

>you would not seriously want to mix yourself with a pitbull if you were an intelligent border collie
You know shit about science kiddo, seriously. Diversity in general is good for a population because it prevents inbreeding. It's called heterosis. What makes you think you are the intelligent border collie by the way? You come across as an unintelligent, uneducated, right wing conservative nationalist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

>>2192118
If you're not a troll you're the biggest fucking idiot I've ever seen on this board. You just fucking argued that gene flow between populations is not beneficial for genetic diversity. Seriously, take some fucking high school biology.

>>2192126
>>2192126

>the globalist elite.

I didn't say that, you paranoid freakjob. Why are you putting words in my mouth?

Delete your post, and post again.

>>2192138
I referenced to the wrong post. It was directed at:>>2192096

Anyway, you may ignore that part and respond to the rest of the post.

>>2192135

Nature is an exact science? You tell it what to do, and it listens?

No, of course not. That is just as false as implying that "multiculturalizing and diversifying" into a gray gruel helps anyone.

You can prove that it happens, and that life survives in spite of it.

>>2192096

Simple and effective. 10/10

>>2192157
Making it worse dude.

>>2192126
Flawless victory.

>>2192154
Fine. We are all now so diverse and multicultural that everyone is genetically your brother and sister.

How is that an improvement?

>>2192163
>>2192168

[citation needed]

>>2192163
I was responding to an opinion. it can't get worse than opinion. Opinions are like assholes.

>>2192170
>Fine. We are all now so diverse and multicultural that everyone is genetically your brother and sister.

So you've killed off everyone on the planet except for your siblings. That's what I got.

Go back to /new/

>>2192170
That's inbreeding you fucking idiot. Gene flow is exactly the opposite. If individuals only mate within their small population eventually everyone would be related leading to heterogeneity across the genome. Bring in new genes and this changes.

Read it and fucking read it well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation

Multiple cultures are fine, it's multiple morality systems that are the problem.

>>2192179

No. We are all so mixed and interbred that we are finally "multicultural and diverse". Your brother might as well be some guy across the planet.

How is this a good thing?

>>2192185
>heterogeneity
homogeneity*

>Heterosis, or hybrid vigor or outbreeding enhancement, is the increased function of any biological quality in a hybrid offspring. It is the occurrence of a genetically superior offspring from mixing the genes of its parents.
A mixed-breed dog

>Heterosis is the opposite of inbreeding depression, which occurs with increasing homozygosity

>>2192185
You can "diversify"(as it is commonly being implied, the opposite of what it is) into heterogeneity too.

Someone thinks this is a good idea.

>Heterosis, or hybrid vigor or outbreeding enhancement, is the increased function of any biological quality in a hybrid offspring. It is the occurrence of a genetically superior offspring from mixing the genes of its parents.

>Heterosis is the opposite of inbreeding depression, which occurs with increasing homozygosity

>>2192200
>doesn't realize heterogeneity should have been replaced with homogeneity thereby showing he didn't understand the post

>>2192185
You can "diversify" into homogeneity too.

Someone thinks this is a good idea.

>>2192205
Someone thinks chapcha is forgiving.

>>2192206
Diversity is the fucking definition of heterogeneity you fucking idiot.

ITT: OP getting raped

>>2192212
Then why are people believing in it like it is the word of god?

>>2192221
I just gave you a whole bunch of references and you didn't even bother to look at them.

Not really. I came here to find out if there is evidence.

There are only opinions, and reversed definitions being believed without functional reproducible proof.

I thought that to have proof of something, you needed to be able to reproduce the results.

>>2192234
Says the idiot clinging to his own opinion and not willing to look at the PEER REVIEWED REPRODUCIBLE EVIDENCE PRESENTED TO HIM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation
Scroll down to the bottom and take a look at the references.

>>2192229


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_genetic_variation

So we will be better off if we ALL can develop sickle-cell anemia?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heterosis

Ah. So you agree with me. "Multiculturalism and diversity" are beneficial only when they happen naturally, not when they are forced.

>>2192126
intelligence is mainly inherited from your parents. it being an inherited attribute means with little gene-flow it can concentrate between families, communities, and even races. in other words, it can manifest as a low or high iq in genetically similar people. the result of this process can be observed in domestic dog breeds, and arguably human races.

now, again, why would member of a higher median iq group wish to procreate with an evidently lower iq group? you did not answer this question yet.

inbreeding is not genetically a problem among the native european populace, which i'm part of. there is no biological reason for my people mix with, for example, africans or semitic people.

>>2192234
>reversed definitions
You're the one who doesn't know the difference between in- and out breading you moron.

>>2192246

goto

>>2192255
>>2192255

>>2192258

You're the one saying everyone being the same is diverse.

Too much blinding retardism in this thread. Have a good - no. Have a horrible day and rot your testicles off and get the fuck back to /b/ where you belong.

>>2192258
>You're the one who doesn't know the difference between in- and out breading you moron.
>in- and out
>breading

>>2192271
you are the one thinking outbreading leads to everyone genetically being the same.

Name one place on Earth that was greatly improved by allowing mass amounts of borderline retarded blacks and muslims to immigrate there.

>>2192277
You do it enough, and you'll succeed.

>>2192257
>He thinks intelligence is mostly genetic

>>2192309
It is mostly genetic.

"multiculturalism and diversity"

Buzzwords for fools waiting for the Star Trek universe to be real.

>>2192284
No, because out breeding leads to heterogeneity you fucking idiot.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Wellness/lion-kings-nala-bone-marrow-transplant-leukemia/story?id=11199
256

she died by the way. they could not find any one of her "race".

>>2192310
No it's not, it's an interaction between the environment and the genome you retard.

>>2192322
You really <span class="math">are[/spoiler] from /new/

>>2192320

Until your outsourcing faster than genetic drift. Still as bad as inbreeding.

Homogeneity confirmed for prerequisite of diversity.

You can't diversify Africa, because no-one wants to move there.

>>2192310
>doesn't know about the Flynn effect

>>2192340
Flynn was smart AND clever first.

>>2192008
>Hurr, correlation implies causation.

Because it's crimes that cause Muslims, of course.

>>2192338
Let me explain this to you in simple words so you can understand.

Homo- means the same
Hetero- means different

Have a small group of people share their DNA by creating children and have their children do the same (inbreeding) and this will cause them to have the <span class="math">{\bf same}[/spoiler] DNA, and thus be <span class="math">homo[/spoiler]geneous in their genetic distribution.

The opposite of which would be to mix populations and have each group exchange DNA with others (outbreeding), that would lead to a decrease in relative similarity of DNA because the relatedness between individuals goes down (genetic diversity), thereby increasing <span class="math">hetero[/spoiler]geneity.

>>2192350
>looked up the wiki page
>didn't understand
>make irrelevant posts

>>2192354
Because there is obviously not a possibility of covariates so we can just assume without reason there are none. Fucking idiot.

>>2192126
>Diversity in general is good for a population because it prevents inbreeding

>Implying it's impossible without other races

Plus, your whole argument fails apart when there have been no decline in the rate of genetic diseases.

>>2192373
Genetic diversity is good because it increases adaptive flexibility you moron.
>Implying it's impossible without other races
I'm not implying that at all. It's simply easier because other races are genetically different.

>>2192359
>the wiki page

Not on your life. What college accepts Wikipedia as a direct source?

>but it haes citations amb linkus

to sources that are in need of reinvestigation at this point.

>>2192395
YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE FLYNN EFFECT IS. THERE IS NO SHAME IN READING THE WIKI PAGE

Also, don't pretend you're in college.

>>2192388

Until you're an Indo-Asian, African-European with every genetic disease on earth.

First they tell us the genetic difference between different europeans is greater than between an european and some african.

Now they say we should fuck africans because it's better for us.

Science is politics.

Anyway there's nothing you can do about it, someone wants europe destroyed and the younger generation is dead set on it too. Expressing a different opinion is social sucide, you cannot fight.

Just take care of yourself, fuck, eat, have fun and make money and do not worry about things you cannot change. The world has more or less always sucked, don't let it get to you.

>>2192395
>implying our scientific understanding of they Flynn effect has changed fuck-all over the last decade

>>2192401

Test taking skills being taught instead of skills.

Okay.

>>2192403
That's simply not how genetic diseases work. They pop up in homozygous individuals, mostly in inbred populations.

>>2192409
AHAHAHAHAHAHHhhahah.. ooohh... oohhh man... hahhuuuahAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>2192414
Nope. Not complete by a long shot.

>>2192409
>don't let it get to you.

I can't help it. I need a beer so bad, I'd kill something for one. EVERYTHING is getting to me. I'm trying to post in 30 different threads as a form of relaxation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk

Jews are master trolls. Watch the ending when she prophetises.

>>2192415

The more they are spread, the more they "pop-up", sort of like a computer virus.

>>2192426
>I'm trying to post in 30 different threads as a form of relaxation.

Good Christ. Is it working?

>>2192433
That is in direct contradiction to empirical observation. Why the fuck do you think inbred populations like the Amish have such high incidences of genetic disorders? Because their level of homozygous individuals is higher. That's why.

>>2192441
A little bit. The distraction is, anyway.

>>2192444
Remember dominant and recessive genes?

Those genetic disorders that you just spread throughout the world are now everyone's problems.

>>2192388
You still hasn't responded to the other point. Show the data. Does it have a significant effect on a population?

>>2192457
They are so anyway you idiot. Recessive genes just don't come into expression in outbred populations because there are more heterozygous individuals. Goddamn you are one stubborn retard.

>>2192457
Yes, and if everyone has everyone's genes, the disorders will cancel each other out.

>>2192462
Why do your kids need to be able to develop sickle-cell anemia?

>>2192461
How would you go about empirically measuring that, fucknuts?

Also, there are plenty citations of articles showing the benifits of genetic diversity in the wikipages I have linked to. You just keep fucking ignoring them because you don't <span class="math">{\bf want}[/spoiler] information.

>>2192466
Adaptive flexibility. Sickle-cell anemia is more prevalent in africa because it dramatically decreases the likelihood of infection with malaria. It's a result of evolution.

>>2192467

Never believe a source that only promises good things.

You ever go to a used car salesman?

>>2192467
Or because using sage as an identification is bad.

Diverse human population have less genetics diseases. That's not hard to quantify Duh.
Funny how you turn to insults when YOU are asked for data. You are only good at pointing Wikipedia articles and then claim to be scientific. My bet is that you are the typical college liberal who think that equality is the default position (without data, of course).

>>2192467
Religion meets

>>2192506

reality.

>>2192471
Yes, but it's only good in Africa. Everywhere else it creates problems.

>>2192506
Peer-reviewed you moron. It's science.

>>2192510
http://www.genomenewsnetwork.org/articles/2004/07/23/sids.php
>My bet is that you are the typical college liberal who think that equality is the default position (without data, of course).
My bet is you are the typical right wing racist high-school dropout who thinks he's genetically superior to the rest of the world (in blatant disregard of is obvious falure in life).

>>2192513
samefag detected

>>2192519
Exactly, it's dependent on the environment. Having recessive genes in the population allows for an increase in expression of those genes if the environment changes (malaria is moving north due to global warming for instance).

>>2192531
IT'S A WIKI.

NO.

You get kicked out of college for that crap, and you deserve to.

>>2192531
You two are so good at communicating your feelings with each other.

I am sure your precious feelings have been received, both of you.

>>2192555
THE REFERENCES are peer reviewed you fucking idiot. LOOK AT THE REFERENCES.

>>2192543
>dependent on the environment

So you should discard those adaptations that allowed you to survive in your favored environment? I enjoy the snow. I like wearing a t-shirt and shorts in the snow all day. It doesn't effect me. Why should I want to live in a desert?

Why should the people who have adapted to and prefer living in that environment, breed to live in the snow?

i was always wondering:

in the days back then people lived in small cultures and everyone had sex with everyone, could this mean mankind is inbreed and thats why we are so stupid?

Post the. You are the one who is using them to support your arguments. If I have an argument I got off of cracked.com, I don't use Cracked because I will not be taken seriously. The same is true for Wikipedia.

Not who you were posting to, by the way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_a-25MhRuk

>>2192570
There's a difference between expressing an adaptation and having the genetic diversity in the population to be <span class="math">able[/spoiler] to develop an adaptation.

Because they were in the past. Modern people always produce retards every time from inbreeding because these are modern times.

Besides, who wants to form tribal bonds?

>>2192599
And why is everyone on earth currently desperately in need of diversity right now?

Why should everybody accept all the worlds genetic problems unto themselves right now?

I honestly don't feel that Europe needs that level of diversity. Why is it so desperately necessary right now that that everyone has mixed babies?

>>2193004

>Why is it so desperately necessary right now

No one desperately wants to do much of anything except get on with their lives

If two people from two different races decides to fuck, get married, and have babies, it's not because they were thinking "WE MUST DIVERSIFY"

Or I dunno, maybe you're an aspie and you think that's how other people think. In that case there's no hope for you

>>2193042
>If two people from two different races decides to fuck, get married, and have babies, it's not because they were thinking "WE MUST DIVERSIFY"
that's a very selfish thing to do. biraciality demotes unity in a community. "diversity is a strength" is a funny (jewish) propaganda.

>>2193077

>that's a very selfish thing to do.

It is more selfish to tell other people exactly who they can and cannot have sex with because of your total lack of understanding of genetics

>funny (jewish) propaganda

The great thing about a massive conspiracy perpetrated by the Jews that is completely undetectable and of which there is no evidence, is that you can blame all your real or perceived problems on it instead of correcting fundamental flaws in your character and education

Quit posting on /sci/. /b/ and /new/ seem to be more suitable for someone like you

>>2193042

They why does Europe HAVE TO accept middle-easterners? Why is it so necessary right now? They are not integrating at all. People are getting hurt, property is being destroyed, commerce is being disrupted, and it's for the sake of "multiculturalism and diversity".

Let the people who want to move places do so naturally. Why does it have to be forced?

>>2192581
yes

we have gone through some serious bottleneck effect

>>2193091
ghettoism does not occur naturally it happens due to prejudice

and when religious wretches mix with elitist snubs things are not going to turn well

>>2193091Let the people who want to move places do so naturally. Why does it have to be forced?

I think the problem is so many Turks DO want to move into Europe so they can use the economic benefits to spew massive numbers of babies from their distended cunts. You need some sort of system to get them to go back to Turkey if you want the problems to stop, I suggest pogroms.

>>2193091

Works well in Toronto and NYC and even Europe

But you read too much Daily Mail and consequently you think every mudslime is out to get you and steal your white women which you never had a chance with in the first place

>>2193090
it is selfish because it's self-destructive and detrimental to our tribalistic nature. interracial affairs showcase illogicalness to your nature.
>>funny (jewish) propaganda
what conspiracy? read up on jewish history, and look at a dictionary, the word "parasite" matches their description perfectly. it is only logical that a minority group of people living in a foreign nation will attempt to maintain a neutral environment for them to live in at the cost of the native people. nazi germany is a stark example of when the host tries get rid itself of the parasite. the "diversity is a strength" campaign is beneficial for this neutralization of the environment, which is why jews in the western world mainly support diversity. were i one, i would do the same.

for the same reason, bi-racial people probably have the lightest "racial bias" of all people, simply because it benefits their "own kind" to be non-racist.

>>2193090
>The great thing about a massive conspiracy perpetrated by the Jews

Bend over and spread your cheeks.

>>2193108
A "ghetto", literally, is a place where where Jewish religious law exists. The meaning has been lost over the past 100 years, but the origin of "ghetto" is one that means "Jewish law community".

Try again.

>>2192110
>There has to be proof that "multiculturalism and diversity" has a provable positive OR a provable negative effect on a culture
multiculturalism brings more varieties of food and entertainment for the public, making their lives more enjoyable, I know I'm much happier because I have regular access to mexican and indian food, you can stick with your meat and potatoes each and every night if you like.

>>2193163

That's not really a conspiracy if they're openly advocating it is it

Nevertheless, that's just one lady's opinion. Tell me how she is actually in control of the immigration policy of every country on the planet.

>>2193157

>read up on jewish history, and look at a dictionary, the word "parasite" matches their description perfectly.

I don't think we're reading the same kind of history

Protip: stormfront.org and holocaustdenialvideos.com are not legitimate historical sources

>>2193176

you can have cuisine without having the people.

>>2193176

The etymology of the word "ghetto" does not have much to do with the term as it is applied now

Any squalid urban area is referred to as a ghetto. Troll harder

>>2193176
It's true. Thanks, Dictionary.com!

>>2193120
"Naturally."
The intent being the observation of legal immigration. Why can Turkish Muslims move in, and Appalachian hill-billies cannot? The effect would be exactly the same.

You let violent, stupid, inbred retards into your country.

Why is this only necessary for Muslims?

>>2193108
either your argument is flawed (which is the most likely case) or prejudice happens everywhere. negroids for example are universally despised. chinese, even the semitic people look down upon them. time and time again we have heard the same the liberal emotionally-charged explanation for this failure, that the host country is at fault for the negroid race being unable to integrate. quite frankly, everyone is getting tired of this.

talk about prejudice. here in finland, the incompetent third-world immigrants get a hefty welfare paycheck for sitting on their ass all day in an apartment paid by the social workers. crime statistics are highlighted by immigrant "youth" perpetrating a great majority of it while being a small minority. we have no history of slavery as a country. who was it again that fired the shot?

>>2193209
>Troll harder

You read the intent of my post. Now, why is it one-sided?

>>2193189

Along with higher criminality, lack of education, corruption and drugs. Mexican culture is inferior to the US culture, it is evident when you compare the standarts of living in those two countries. By mixing those two cultures, US will slowly resemble Mexico more, and it will be a change for worse.

>>2193217
Appalachian hill-billies don't want to move to Europe, they love America too much.

>>2193231By mixing those two cultures, US will slowly resemble Mexico more, and it will be a change for worse.

Already happening, already changing the US for the worse. A quick visit to any bilingual school will demonstrate this.

>>2193231
culture and standard of living are independent.

also you might find it interesting that mexico city is the 8th richest city in the world.

>>2193189
>multiculturalism brings more varieties

The internet does it without opening people up to cultural conflicts and the legally insane people that have never been diagnosed.

"Multiculturalism" demands those insane and culturally insular people move into your neighborhood.

Then your neighbors kids are cut apart because they were "walking a dog". Those heathen ingrates. Those kids deserved to die. Rawr.

>>2193237
Did you ask them?

>>2193252

Culture and standard of living are NOT independent, thats total bullshit.

And no, traditional food and clothes are not what I mean, culture is the whole way of life of a society, created during hundreds of years.

>>2193264
now you're just trolling, go live in a commune and wait to get raided by the DEA.

>>2193225
>who was it again that fired the shot?
first*

>>2193252culture and standard of living are independent.

hahahahahahahahahahaha bhahahahahahahaha no.

Jewish culture puts a high value on education, Arab culture puts a high value on sharing knowledge only with your family because if you know something others don't then it makes you more powerful. Which one do you expect to be more economically productive?

>>2193274
rich white people in america don't have the same american culture as poor white people in america?

>>2193242
>Already happening, already changing the US for the worse.

Now, now. You can't expect those people to learn your language before they enter your country. Those kids need to have a chance to compete with your kids.

That's why they score higher than you for getting many more questions wrong on a test than you did.

It's because of your culture.

Ignore China.

>>2193285

No they dont, of course, what kind of stupid question is that? Give money to a group of poor people, and still all their social customs, education and attitudes will be quite different.

>>2193283

The culture explanation is bullshit

1850: Why are the Japanese so shitty? Must be their shitty lazy culture that loves hedonism and hates thinking

1905: Holy shit the Japanese are on the rise. It must be because of their great culture which fosters a warrior spirit and ingenuity

1940: God damn those Japanese and their shitty fucking warlike culture

1980: Omg the Japanese are going to take over the world economically thanks to their amazing culture

1997: A financial crisis? Must be because of their shitty culture

etc. etc.

>>2193285rich white people in america don't have the same american culture as poor white people in america?

Actually no they don't. There was a study a couple years back that suggested that wealthy and middle class American families, when they get their kids to behave a certain way would sit down with them and explain how things work and why it's to their advantage to behave that way. Poor families merely told their children that they should obey their parents/god.

The result is that people with money and education tended to produce children better able to obtain money and education.

>>2193277
Sorry. I forgot that posts do not communicate sarcasm very well, and my post was supposed to be sarcastic.

My fault, my bad.

>>2193199
prior to the establishment israel, and even after it, where did jewish people live? well, in other people's countries, AS A MINORITY. so, admit to yourself that were you living in a foreign country, you would not want to piss them off, correct? in fact, you would want them UNABLE to get pissed off, so that you can continue to live on in that country. it's only logical.

>>2193305
That one could be explained by the Japanese having a culture that encourages education, hard work, and discipline, but it also highly arrogant.

>>2193199
prior to the establishment of israel, and even after it, where did jewish people live? well, in other people's countries, AS A MINORITY. so, admit to yourself that were you living in a foreign country, you would not want to piss them off, correct? in fact, you would want them UNABLE to get pissed off, so that you can continue to live on in that country. it's only logical.

>>2193305
I see what you're saying right up to the point where American and Japanese civilians actually like each other enough to fuck. A lot. Mad fucking.

"Oh look. You woke up. Lets have sex." kind of "fuck a lot".

>>2193306
So wealth is the driving force behind standard of living? So the argument is we shouldn't let poor people into our country?

>>2193305

Straw man. I never said that culture does not change in time. Their war-like culture could change into pacifism when they lost the war. And dont mix politics with culture, japanese were not more warlike than any other less developed nation.

Also, when were the japanese shitty? They were always pretty clever compared to the rest of the world, with the exception of European culture.

>>2193324

Jews were highly assimilated into German society prior to the rise of Nazi Germany. Thousands fought and died for Welhelmine Germany during WWI

A lot of them you couldn't even tell that they were Jews if it weren't for the Star of David

So apparently even if you're integrated into society, and the only trace of Jewishness left was the fact that your parents were Jews, you're telling me that it was perfectly justified to shoot a war vet in the face for that reason alone

>>2193340So the argument is we shouldn't let poor people into our country?

Pretty much, which is what we're trying to do now. Have an advanced degree or $1,000,000 to invest in an American company? Not so hard to obtain citizenship. Illiterate and poor? Stay the fuck out.

>>2193343

>when were the japanese shitty?

I am merely parroting the Western observers of the time. They blamed their backwardness and lack of industrialization in 1850 on hedonism.

Anyway, the point is that at various points in time a nation can be on the rise or it can be stagnant. Back in 1200 AD the Arabs were world leaders in science and technology. China was the global leader in GDP since before Christ to 1750 AD. And so on and so forth.

That's why you can't blame everything on culture. Culture changes, as you've admitted. The children of immigrants are never as FOB as their parents. And so on and forth.

>>2193343
>Also, when were the japanese shitty?
whenever the US has problems with a country(s), the public thinks their people's culture is shitty.

if you lived on the east coast in the ww2 era, it was the japanese, if you live in the south now, its the hispanics.

>>2193199
>Tell me how she is actually in control

Tell me how /b/ is in control of Julian Assange.

>>2193340

Not letting poor people into country is certainly beneficial. They are poor because work they provide has low value, because there are plenty of people doing it. By letting in more of them, you hurt your own poor people. Basic economics.

>>2193345
jews marry within their own group and remain as a foreign entity refusing to integrate into the majority. their racial make-up is also slightly different. when you proclaim your differences (us and them mentality), and knowing that humans are a tribalistic species, you're asking for trouble. no, jews were not really integrated in germany.

>>2193357
I immigrated with my family to the US, it took 13 years of filing paperwork to obtain permanent residency, I only get to apply for citizenship in the coming year. My parents have masters degrees in mechanical and industrial engineering.

The point is, its not as easy to get into the US as you might think it is, at least through legitimate channels. So you shouldn't get so uppity about that, you only really need to worry about the illegal immigration.

>>2193358

So we cannot blame the culture because it changes in time? That does not make sense at all.

>>2193358They blamed their backwardness and lack of industrialization in 1850 on hedonism.

Idiots maybe. It should have been fairly obvious that it was because of isolationism.

>Back in 1200 AD the Arabs were world leaders in science and technology

Actually the exception that proves the rule, and you actually need to go back to the 9th-10th century to claim that. At the time Greek philosophy and rationalism was mixing with new ideas from India and the resulting offspring was a wealth of innovation. Unfortunately a few civil wars changed the dominant world view from Greek philosophy fueled Islamic Rationalism to the idea that rationalism was bad because it could damage faith.

Culture based on Greek rationalism: Lots of progress
Culture based on Islamic faith: shithole forever

>China was the global leader in GDP since before Christ to 1750 AD

Only in total, not per capita. China has never been comparatively wealthy per capita.

>The children of immigrants are never as FOB as their parents

In England they're finding that second generation Muslim immigrants are actually MORE culturally fucked up than their parents because they are exposed to Wahabbist schools and don't have first hand experience of having to leave an Islamic shithole.

>>2193372jews marry within their own group and remain as a foreign entity refusing to integrate into the majority.

Only practicing Jews. Ask any agnostic Jewish men if they've ever considered dating a Jewish girl and they'll say "no, I like attractive women".

>>2193380
And yet you're here aren't you? It's not supposed to be easy.

>>2193397
still, a self-proclaiming sizable group of "jewish people" remain centuries after centuries. it's evident a great majority of them do not break off from this cycle.

>>2193397
>And yet you're here aren't you? It's not supposed to be easy.
you're complaining because you act like its easy and wish it was harder, when you don't actually even know the process.

>>2193380
Too bad you're not Mexican. Ah, well.

How does it feel?

Knowing that all your work is worthless?

>>2193385
>>The children of immigrants are never as FOB as their parents
>
>In England they're finding that second generation Muslim immigrants are actually MORE culturally fucked up than their parents because they are exposed to Wahabbist schools and don't have first hand experience of having to leave an Islamic shithole.

That's true, you just have to add the need to find an identity (it's difficult), then an arabian teacher, and there you have a dangerous guy.

>>2193420
>How does it feel?
>Knowing that all your work is worthless?
how so?

>>2193423
What we need to do is stop acting like having a collective cultural identity is a valuable thing. If you're acting a certain way because your cultural subgroup normally acts that way then you're going full retard. Start thinking for yourself.

Look at the fucking picture. LOOK AT IT! How could any of you fall for this shit? This board is pathetic.

>>2193385
>It should have been fairly obvious that it was because of isolationism.

In America, Jews write the history textbooks for education.

That might get missed, so please excuse my all-caps.

IN AMERICA, JEWS WRITE THE HISTORY TEXTBOOKS FOR EDUCATION.

Hmmm. I'll say it again.

IN AMERICA, JEWS WRITE THE HISTORY TEXTBOOKS FOR EDUCATION.

because: burittos>hamburgers

gringos are you even trying?

>>2193431
>Start thinking for yourself.
sure, anytime they make it possible to fix our dna through genetic engineering. otherwise fighting our "pack mentality" is futile. you have to teach every new child to be independent, because they're all born tribalistic by nature. it's a losing battle.

>>2193431
American's generally don't apply this thinking to themselves though and your statement ends up coming across as "why don't they just act more american".

>>2193445you have to teach every new child to be independent, because they're all born tribalistic by nature

Maybe we should start putting lessons about group mentality into schools and teaching ways to avoid them?

>>2193446your statement ends up coming across as "why don't they just act more american".

That's the idea. Second gen people from India, Vietnam, China, Philippines? Fully integrated, no significant cultural differences. Second gen from Mexico or an Islamic shithole? Still spewing out babies like it's the dark ages and brings disgusting cultural baggage with them.

>>2193445
>>2193446

When people say "Jews control the media", can you taste it? Do you hear it?

Can you feel it?

This is disappointing on a vast number of levels.

>>2193443
>are you even trying?

Did you really select that one post to reply to?

>>2193476
>Maybe we should start putting lessons about group mentality into schools and teaching ways to avoid them?

But then the government wouldn't have it's little predictable drones.

>>2193476
>Maybe we should start putting lessons about group mentality into schools and teaching ways to avoid them?

JESUS FUCK! AS LONG AS WE TAUGHT THAT WHOLE BOOK, IT'S NOT A PROBLEM.

WE ONLY TEACH THAT ONE FUCKING PAGE.

THAT ISN'T BECAUSE WE NEED STUPID STUDENTS.

>>2193509
>>2193517

>Maybe we should start putting lessons about group mentality into schools and teaching ways to avoid them?

HIVEMIND.

That is the most complex hivemind grouping I have ever seen.

>>2193509
>the goverment
you speak for it as if we had monarchy or communism

>>2193476
>That's the idea. Second gen people from India, Vietnam, China, Philippines? Fully integrated, no significant cultural differences. Second gen from Mexico or an Islamic shithole? Still spewing out babies like it's the dark ages and brings disgusting cultural baggage with them.
This is not entirely true, it may be in your area, but its not in general. You can go to china town in a major city and see that the people there have no need to learn english or american culture at all.

There have been extensive studies on retention of cultural identity and language and its highly correlated with the size of the community an strength of the people's relationships within that community.

>>2193509

Hey. I'm 40, male, and I live in America's North-East.

What you got?

Solid discussion, gentlemen.

>>2193558
I've always been of the opinion that the authorities should take a more direct hand in where an immigrant is allowed to settle, making sure not to create a single concentration of the same cultural group to facilitate assimilation into the general society.
It's a natural response for people to try to find something familiar, so they always gravitate together.

>>2193583
The "authority" should let immigrants move in with them.