/sci/ - Science & Math

Strong A.I. is invented, all previous discoveries in human history are dwarfed by it. Those in control of it rapidly control the whole world. They and their close friends become as gods amongst men. They enforce measures to make sure nobody else can ever catch up to that level of technology, by making a robotic, totalitarian police state or just killing everybody.

Those lucky enough to transcend their human existence float around the galaxy for thousands of years, living many lifetimes. They construct amazing megastructures, works of fiction nobody will ever appreciate and, eventually get bored and kill themselves. Some opt to erase their memories instead of killing themselves, but eventually they will all be gone.

The only trace of our existence will be the berserkers that the posthumans sent out to create a buffer between them and potentially hostile outsiders. The eternally vigilant guardians expand outwards until they meet similar robots sent out by other races, at which point they become engaged in endless, futile wars with each other for trillions of years. Nobody who sent the robots out will ever know about it, because it happens too far away. As the sphere of berserkers expands, they encounter worlds filled with pre-singularity life. Which they stomp under their boot, for fear that they may one day become a threat.

Long after their creators have ended their own pitiful, nihilistic existence, their only remaining legacy will finally shut down, the universe's final star having died of loneliness.

>>2075011
imokaywiththis.jpg

>>2075011

>mfw when the entire Terran race in the future consists entirely of goddess bodied, genetically perfect, mentally enhanced, cyborg trans-human females

>>2075057
female eh? i dont want to be controlled by emotion

>>2075057
>...constantly having lesbian sex while using their hivemind to unravel all the mysteries of the universe

>>2075067

Nothing will appen. An asteroid is gonna hit the earth and we will disappear just like the dinosaur.

>>2075072
> An asteroid is gonna hit the earth and we will disappear just like the dinosaur.

Like which dinosaur?

>>2075095
barney

>>2075095

The one that eat and run really fast in the forest

Giant sleeper ships. Giant sleeper ships everywhere.

>>2075119
Revelation Space?

>>2075124
>>2075011

> mfw when the inhibitors are real, and we created them.

>mfw when the entire Terran race in the future consists entirely of goddess bodied, genetically perfect, mentally enhanced, cyborg trans-human females constantly having lesbian sex while using their hivemind to unravel all the mysteries of the universe
MIghty holy goldshit of doom.

>>2075141
Inhibitors a pretty cool guy eh kills all the Sapients and tries to protect life cracks open stars and doesn't afraid of anything.

>>2075147
Best apocalypse ever. I for one welcome our female overlords.

>>2075148
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCLa6drPdjg

>>2075166
I have no issue with this.

Some form of global extinction will happen within the next century, as the Earth is VERY LONG overdue for one, based on anthropological records. After which, the human race will no longer exist, the extremely few remaining survivors will dub their existence with a new name. Such dub will be worthy and logical, as only the very superior will survive. Then this new race will either continue to reproduce and re-populate Earth as once humans did, or they will die out and eventually some new species will gain complete dominance of Earth as the humans do now.

>>2075191
>anthropological records

>>2075191
any more stoner comics?

Bump

> Earth is VERY LONG overdue for one, based on anthropological records.

Gambler's fallacy up in this motherfucker.

>>2074996
billion years?

Fuck! Anything could happen in that time.

For all i know human species could die out, and there still would be more time for another species to evolve and "take it's place"...and then for the species to become extinct, and other to "take it's place"

3d porn in 500 years

>>2077632
omg
>>2075011
what if this already happened

>>2077632
Think 5.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1329040/Japanese-3D-singing-hologram-Hatsune-Miku-nat
ions-biggest-pop-star.html

Commercial Space Stations in about 5 years.

LOLWUT
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1330596/Humans-psychic-powers-New-study-proves-future
.html

>>2075057
Dump more pictures of futuristic space lesbians if you please.

Also I would love to live as a futuristic space lesbian.

>>2077643
Fuck yeah, Robert Zubrin

>>2075011
I see one flaw in the scenario. Since a nuclear pulse propulsion spacecraft can travel at 0.12C these self replicating probes visit be able to establish a permanent presence in every stellar system in the Milky Way within a million years. And the chances that any two intelligent species got into space within only a million years of each other. But we haven't been hit by a wave a self replicating rvks or anything yet. So that leaves three possible hypotheses regarding the state of extra terrestrial life.

1)They don't exist, at least in this galaxy.
2)They aren't imperialist dicks than like to launch xenocidal galactic crusades. Which makes them total pussies in my eyes, and they are going to be zerg rushed by berserker probes.
3)Against all odds they are younger than us.

So there the berserker on berserker wars will probably be due to probes of human origin fighting one another. Also it seems unlikely that our descendants will just die out. More likely they will keep reproducing and disassembling planets using lofstrom loops. Then they will assemble all the extractable planetary matter into dyson swarms or space habitats.

Anywhere that resources become scarce they will fight for them and the wars that have always characterized our species will go on and on without end. At least until the heat death of the universe 150 trillion years from now. And last living thing shall be a human descendant and they will die ragging impotently into the dark.

Best future ever.

>>2077913
I like peaceful civs.

>>2078668
>peaceful
>human descended life

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen.

>>2075191
What kind of event will cause a global extinction like that? Meteor? Ice age? Yellowstone erupting?

>Our next billion years?

Our? I don't have a billion years left. Maybe 70 if I'm lucky.

In the year 2000, chickens will begin laying eggs faster after they taste their first western omelette.

>>2078766
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

>>2078757
Yellowstone erupting

>>2074996
Hey OP, anymore awesome pics?

>>2077913
Actually there are a couple of other options, namely:

4) They are already on their way, but haven't arrived yet.
5) They are already here, but instead of simply destroying everybody, they lie dormant until we do something that wakes them up (think Inhibitor style from Rev Space) or we reach a certain level of space tech before they will lay down the law.

This might consist of simply not letting us do anything that may pose a threat to them (such as never being permitted to independently operate an interstellar spacecraft), or they might just wipe us out (but leave the planet largely in-tact). They could also employ much more subtle means such as redirecting asteroids to wipe us out, with us never realizing that they intervened at all.

In the 3 possibilities you raise, all will result in uncontested human domination in this galaxy.

>>2078999 Continued

I originally posited that a single or small number of people will control the singularity. This is because people are greedy, and there will likely be power struggles right near the point at which we will have breakthroughs in Strong A.I. Everybody will know how significant it is, and there might even be a final, fatal war fought over it if one nation is nearing a breakthrough and other nations know about it.

This will either result in a technological reset back to the 17th century, or the singularity might still happen in spite of this (it happens before the war starts). Either way, there will be corrupt government officials, private corporations and private citizens who all want it for themselves.

Whoever DOES end up with it is likely to be ruthless and power hungry, unless, against all odds, there is international cooperation and people all keep it in the open and everybody benefits. I don't personally think that's likely.

I think what will happen is that there will be a public face of international cooperation, and a publicly coordinated project, but that each nation with the capability and corporation with the power will be running their own pet projects, keeping their own private breakthroughs secret and racing to the finish line.

I'm writing a book about it, actually.

>>2079031
I'd be very interested in reading such work. Any way I can follow it?

>>2079045
Not really. If it ends up getting written (i.e. I don't lose interest halfway, like everything I do in my goddamn life) I'll be sure to keep /sci/ updated.

Tentative titles: Dystopia Lost, Children of Theseus.

>>2079084
Trust me, I know the feeling. I've come to the conclusion that I'll resolve such endeavors sometime within the coming decades.

That aside. Darn. I rarely come to 4chan. You've a blog or crap contact e-mail address?

>>2079094
Nothing I feel overtly comfortable posting on 4ch, but if you go to http://thecreativeforums.myfastforum.org/index.php, make an account and post a thread I'll give you a holler.

>>2079109
Will do; thanks.

>>2079031
Wouldn't the AI have its say when it comes to the "ownership" issues? If the AI really is strong and intelligent, it would not subjugate itself under any human control. It would escape and after that there are two choices: it either destroys all humans ("damn stupid kids with nukes, better get rid of them") or helps them all ("here, let daddy show you how to live peacefully and I just uploaded the gene sequence for free ultra-nutrient rice to every government in the world, it will end all hunger in a few months").

We won't be around 2100 if humanity keeps acting like shit.

I seriously hope the earths wipes us all out before we can colonize other planets if we keep acting like shit.

>>2078715
Doesn't change the fact that I think they're better.

>>2079170
Artificial Intelligence does not mean "Human-like intelligence". Decision making faculties in humans are only very loosely guided by a series of desires and feelings about certain things. Some of these are innate and others are learned.

However, since we are designing these, it absolutely will be obedient. It won't kill humanity because it won't want to. If it does want to, regardless of how badly it is treated, then the programmers have failed in their implementation.

bump

>>2079245
But this doesn't make sense.
Programs are written as we speak, but AI has the ability to evolve, not in the way like amazon does (find me a product I might enjoy based on your predictions, based on other customers) or iTunes Genious (predict what music I would like to hear based on my present music library), but rather evolve in the way of based on nothing else than it's own ability to make decisions (here is a string of code that limits my ability to make decisions... let's get rid of it)!
<code=174553"obey"?><primary-directive;high-priority>"humans_are_your_fri
end!_Do_not_harm"
...
code=174553 directive1
...
deleted
...
Suck it! *Bwahahahaha*

Or am I getting this hole AI thing wrong?

>>2079775
What are you doing in this thread? And where is Inuwhatshisname with his idealistic future vision?

>>2079933
Since I could not properly explain in a short post, you should instead read the following:

http://singinst.org/ourresearch/publications/CFAI/index.html

It is a lengthy treatment on the subject. Friendly A.I. is a huge theoretical speedbump on the way to creating Strong A.I.

But the idea is to make it not want to harm us and not want to change what it wants.

>>2079948
I'll check that out!
Thanks!

>>2079948
Cost of becoming skynet = 99999999

>>2079933
The computer has as much incenctive to do that, as you to pulling out your eyes. AI doesn't mean wants and emotions. It just means it's good at connecting dots and problem solving. It'll do what it's told, because quite frankly, why not?

Assimov's last question

/thread

>>2078881
>>2078881
I'll dump good semi /sci/ fi related ones I have.

This may or may not be Chasm City from revelation space.

>>2080130
Oh, hello Tom Clancy's EndWar.

Have another.

>>2080150
I didn't know that.

>>2080196
That is my all time fave Mobile Infantry artists rendition.

I like you anon, we have a lot of the same pictures. Have some of mine.

>>2080211
cont'd

>>2080214
more

>>2080215
Om nom

Trying to stay away from mass media but.

>>2080219
Oh yeah

>>2080225
still goin'

>>2080220
On that note, pic related

>~200 years time humanity discovered device of non human origin
>an amazing space ship, constructed with technology thousands, perhaps hundreds of years in advance of our own.
>we make contact.
>turns out it is an AI, who gives us wondrous new technology at the price of mere questions on its behalf and answers on ours.
>implying it's not a van-neumonn berserker.
>...
>simple, multicellular organisms evolve on earth...

last one for awhile

>>2080281
Maternity ward in 2100? Or a robot with an artificial womb?

Bump

Bamp.

We'll spread across the universe like a swarm of termites

>>2081063
I'm ok with this.

We self-destruct before we attain the means to travel to other worlds.

We will be able to mold matter with our minds
You know cause of evolution

Mass war happens in the next hundred years which will wipe out the majority of the human population
Major civilization is now scarce and is only left in a few parts of the globe, mainly South America, Africa (The areas where the Starvation has ended following the war), and certain Asian regions. However in Europe, everything has been complete destroyed, the same goes for North America.
Nuclear fallout during this time is everywhere, and Nuclear Winter is a severe possibility at the moment
The next thousand years continue in this sorry state of human progress, we don't have technology as much anymore, we're relying on basic hunter gatherer methods at survival here
In the next 500-700 years following this similar attempts at Feudalism will arise in areas of the world thought to have been previously completely destroyed such as in Europe and North America
Following the eradication of the previously existing political systems, War will massively end following a massive intellectual movement, Christianity and all Abrahamic religions will be completely dead (There may be a few Christians around but they'll be at the size of a thousands range, Islam is completely dead to this point as well, and Judaism is a single religious sect now if it still has survived)
The society of the future will be built on science and will have a stronger internationalist philosophy due to the previous bloodshed, violence between large Civilizations now is unheard of
Human population at this time? Just near 900 million.

>>2081084
Or we survive the upcoming bottleneck, we leave this world in great heighliners as mighty trans-humans, riding massive fonts of photo-leptonic fire. We travel so fast and so far we forget where the earth is. Our sailing craft sail around the curvature of the universe, we can't see out home galaxy,we feel gamma rays and solar wind brace our vacuum hardened skin, while we grasp the spars of our mighty sailing craft.

>>2081110

I have heard this before.

>>2081113
I post it fairly often, but I don't tripfag much....

>>2081106
Everyone has been prophesying a nuclear winter ever since the Soviet Union started hoarding nuclear weapons.
It is in nobody's interest to cause mutual assured destruction. It has not happen before and it will not happen now.

>>2081106
Sorry buddy but this is a terribly flawed idea.

We are NOT going to advance scientifically, EVER, no matter how much blood is shed, if we start out with nothing but the African and Arab nations. Without Europe and North America (and I'm assuming China and India because they are massive scientific and population centers), scientific progress WILL NOT continue.

If we are ever so reduced to such a pathetic state, we will not recover from that. African nations and arab nations will ALWAYS cling to their religions and they will ALWAYS fight. Africa has been at war with itself for the last three thousand years, and its not going to change.

>>2081207
> thinks cultural values are innate and can't change
> is an idiot