/sci/ - Science & Math

Not with our current bodies no.

alright OP I understand, and I agree we should be pushing for different planets.
Let me just ask this just how would people live on Mars right now one way journey or not? We have a very small time frame to send them supplies. So what do we do send them with everything they need? Crazy big ass rockets or multiple of them at once? How do they survive the radiation and space long enough to make any progress? I am sure there are more issues, but I am high.

>>>Our government, in Vietnam especially, has sent entire platoons of soldiers into a situation in which they KNEW they would die. Whether they were using them as bait, a diversion, whatever; and I wouldn't doubt at least to some degree similar situations happening in Iraq as well.


thats when i knew you're a troll.

It's a publicity issue.

When someone dies in war, people go "omg send more soldiers to exact revenge".

But when someone dies in space, people go "omg stop space funding".

>>2063872

Artificial gravity is wholly possible, it would just require financial and engineering investment into making an actual spaceship, and not just another bloody capsule. Once they reached Mars, it would be tough, but they could eventually adapt to it's gravity.

First things first though; we need a better way of getting off this planet. Raw chemical combustion is insanely expensive, heavy, uneconomical, dangerous, and just plain crude in some ways. Majestic and awesome as fuck still, but crude. As soon as getting into orbit becomes easy, progression outward will come naturally over time.

>>2063879

How does that make him a troll?

It's absolutely true; there are documented reports of it in nearly every war ever. It's a part of the game, losses are to be both expected and avoided, but they are not something that they take into consideration as much as how much it gains them in return. You don't think damn near every government out there wouldn't send 5 of it's soldiers off to die if it meant they could gain control of a major strategic point? You are deluded.

>>2063883
Oh and how is artificial gravity possible?

>>2063883

artificial gravity isn't gonna help us get off the planet.

>>2063891

centrifugal force

>>2063892

Which would be why the second paragraph in the post was about finding a better way off of the planet.

Wow, people...

>>2063883

I can make artificial gravity by swinging a ball on a rope.

For real.

Sadly, there is no oil which can be stolen from the mars or people who can be exploited after the landing on the mars...unless at least one of these conditions are given, no one of the big entinities aren't even considering funding this.

One could say that this opinion is quite biased. I completely agree, but nether the less this doesn't contradict the possiblity of this being an explanation for the "useless" actions taken back in history.

tl;dr: Unless you hang a banana in front of this monkey, he won't move an inch towards the ladder...

>>2063893
Oh so Centrifugal force is the answer you think?

>>2063891

Spin the spaceship at the proper velocity, and place the floor on the outer "walls".

The concept is actually exceedingly simple.

They proposed sending one person on a one way trip to Mars. Like it took some sort of genius to figure out that was the most economical way to send a man to Mars.

Still wondering why it was so easy to get guys to the Moon and back more than 40 years back... well well well...

>>2063901

Because it's much closer. I don't think I'm stupid enough not to believe.

>>2063899
I understand the concept and I know in theory it is easy, but the size of ship needed to create gravity for sustained human stay anywhere off earth is beyond our scope right meow.
and if I am remember is centripetal force, centrifugal is 'imaginary' or illusionary.

>>2063899
Problem is that then all your satellite dishes and solar panels are spinning instead of pointing at what they've got to point at.

A single man on a one way journey to Mars. You know, even though the idea gives me chills with fear....I would totally and completely do it.

Of course chances are likely the first explorer would probably fall pray to some sort of unknown failure or accident, especially if they make it to the planet. Would be an honorable death though. I mean, the sheer gall it would take to do such a thing alone....

>>2063891
retard

Mankind is using artificial gravity at least for 259 years.

>>2063901

Well, it's not like Mars is close enough to orbit our planet now is it?

>>2063901
The answer is that it's just not. Any reasonably smart person with a modicum of scepticism should be able to see that we just got desperate to fool the Reds. Even if we had the technology to go there the massive radiation doses would have killed them the second they stepped onto the surface.

>>2063902
>implying it was stupid to not believe in an OBVIOUS FAKE, especially when people like you are raging the moment you state your doubts

>>2063907
Oh ouch, it sucks man try and ask a question legit and just called retarded.
How elitist you are man.

>>2063913

Oh god, here we go with this argument again.

>>2063903
>beyond our scope right meow
>if I am remember is centripetal force
wtf-am-i-reading.jpg

>>2063903

Actually if it was a "smaller" ship, meant for say 1-3 people, it could still work just fine. It would just have to spin pretty fast, but luckily getting an object to start spinning ridiculously fast is pretty easy in space.

>>2063904

Wow, really? There are 1,001 ways to solve that problem. Getting an EMR signal to go "in the right direction" isn't exactly a difficult problem to solve, even given a rapidly spinning spacecraft.

>>2063904
A controlled circular movement? You could also only let the crew segments rotate.

>>2063913

Putting an end-all to anti-moon-landing trolls.

The reason no other governments disputed the claim that the US landed on the moon is simple, irrevocable proof.

a powerful telescope could see the american flag that was planted on the moon

>>2063923

Fuu, no spoilers on /sci/

>>2063919
Okay but what of the surface of Mars, the gravity and supply line?

If I went to Mars as a pioneer and not as some sort of exiled prisoner, I wouldn't be too worried about coming back either, provided we were given means (with redundancy) to support ourselves on Mars. I'm sure if we'd be given the option to return once they figure out how to do it more efficiently than at the time of sending us to Mars. Only thing is I hope I will be in shape to return to Earth via exercise or what not, on Mars.

>>2063923 a powerful telescope could see the american flag that was planted on the moon

Show me a picture taken by an independent party with no ties or links to the US government or the governments of its allies.

The reason they don't dispute it is because it would end badly for them.

>>2063931
Hey man if you don't buy the moon landing. You should like get a laser pointer, A REALLY REALLY STRONG ONE, and aim it at the moon. See if bounces back or not, time it man, do math. Enjoy Knowledge.

>>2063933
That would be the Russian Lunokhod

>>2063938
Greater accuracy was achieved following the installation of a retroreflector array on July 21, 1969, by the crew of Apollo 11
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lunar_Laser_Ranging_experiment

>>2063943
>done by American and NATO scientists
>mfw he believes shit from the conspirators

Back then, negating the moon landing was all but conspiracy bullshit. No conclusive proof could be brought on the table - for both sides as a matter of fact, because you had scientists criticizing both the claims of the US gvt and the opposing theories.

But today, it's different.

40 years later I mean, technology kinda made giant jumps. How come we can't do it again ? Seriously it doesn't make any sense, there isn't any single reason like "different context" "different budget" "still same issue of fuel" etc etc.

Ironically, the us army keeps making shitloads of funtoys tony stark style.

>>2063948
So I am generally curious what makes my truth from conspirators but yours from truth sayers? Because mine comes from a big group, cause it is associated with the government? Is mine false because I did not find it on the right corner of the internet?

>>2063953
Exactly, the reason we aren't doing it now (as in, faking it now) is because the puppetmasters know that technology is too advanced. Some independent scientist could make measurements relatively easily and leak it onto the internet before they would have time to send a black helicopter.

>>2063943
Fuck.
I did an optics lab recently (Michelson Interferometer lab).
Imagine if they tried to make an interferometer in space at that distance lulz.

Yes yes. Won't be able to calibrate it without taking like a year. But hey once its calibrated, accurate ass measurements to the moon and shit, down to fractions of a wavelength accuracy.

>>2063956
They aren't independent while my sources are as independent as it's possible to be. In the years to come we'll look back on this in the same way as we looked back on the claims that smoking didn't give you cancer that the scientists paid by smoking companies made.

>>2063959
So like um your point of argument is that since we haven't done since we did the first six times, it must have all been fake?

>>2063956
well any stuff saying "government lies" will always seem slightly untrustworthy compared to the official truth. Which is kinda shocking in a world where JFK, watergate and iraq episode 2 happened. Makes you wonder if we shouldn't build a genocidal viral pandemic that decimates every human presenting a portion of the sheep gene.

By the way, captcha intervention

>>2063962
Your sources are who? sites like above topsecert? godlikeproductions? totse back in the day?
I can find an independent study saying astrology is real, but we both know it is not. Hey man protip to the internet, wade through the bullshit, learn real science, take all evidence and decide from there.

One way journey is ass-retarded because we've had the technology and blueprints for a there and back again trip to Mars. If there was a one way journey, it would be because 'hurr durr we are jews with NASA munnay we need to blow up our quota of sandniggers'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mars_Direct#Revisions

>>2063970
I am sorry I think I missed your point. What is shocking of Watergate, JFK, and Iraq 2?
Watergate-politicians throughout time have been shady, that is a part of some humans nature.
JFK-was shot, so are lots of other people by crazy mofos.
Iraq 2- that was the American public demanding more action and revenge then we were getting in Afghanistan.

>>2063979
Are you aware of the fact such events highly raise serious doubt over the honesty of our government ? Especially with the afghan war diaries.

>>2063871

Because space travel doesn't bring any immediate revenue.

The baby boomer philosophy dies hard.

>>2063983
Yes, I know each one of those is a jumping off point for many an ideas.
How does that change that when you look at the events they are actually pretty common shit to happen just as course of events continue through a nation's history.

>>2063991
Well that's theoretical. When you're given real, naked proof that shady stuff DOES happen up there in the political higher spheres, and people like Nixon publicly admitting the "shit they done was for teh greater goodz of the nation", aren't you going to question claims such as the moon landing, which in case it was fake, was so for the greater good of the nation in its highly tensed struggle with soviet Russia ?

We haven't been back to the moon because the Space Shuttle program sucks.

It was supposed to be a cheap 5-10 stopgap, just a way to get a crew in orbit, leading up to a far more ambitious and far reaching spacecraft program. The shuttles primary purpose in orbit was to do research relevant to the development of the forthcoming new ambitious program (which had mars as it's primary goal, back in the 80's).

The Shuttles ended up being an engineering nightmare, however. Unsafe, unreliable, expensive as fuck to use and maintain; the shuttle program ended up being the exact opposite of what it was supposed to be. As public interest in space travel died the government saw the paycheck required to be using those supposedly "cheap" shuttles, and decided to slash the hell out of NASA's budget. In turn NASA decided to drop development of new technologies, and retrofit the shuttles to be more capable. The hope was that with enough research, and in proving that the shuttles were a viable asset; NASA would have it's budget increased again. The apparent limitations and price of the shuttles never allowed this too happen though, and the Shuttle program has basically destroyed NASA's public image. So many failures compared to so little progress. NASA's latest attempt, Orion, sucked even worse; and had a major hand in NASA's recent reorganization.

Point being, NASA's budget continued to shrink during a situation in which they had nothing but low orbit shuttle craft. They have tried to do the best they can.....but the shuttles were just never designed to do anything big to begin with; and the fact they have remained the pinnacle of space travel for so long has killed imaginations.

>>2064001
tl;dr reintroduce Communism to Russia, have fun again?

>>2063999
Shady stuff does happen I am not disagreeing about that, I have my ideas and things I think the government is fucking with. The only proofs I have ever seen offered against it can easily be debunked when looked at logically or even a few keystrokes.
I understand your idea that it would promote supranationalism in a time of need, but that is all there is to go off of and that is not enough proof. That is just an idea, an idea that has been warped around facts over the last forty years.
Please educate me tonight.

>research and development are not worthwhile funding until safety can be guaranteed
nobody actually thinks this way right. How could they guarantee safety if they don't have the resources to develop a safer method.

>>2064008
I didn't point at any particular idea, I just meant the very existence of publicized shadiness leads anyone with a working brain to re-evaluate his faith in whom he helped get elected nationally.

Anyway, /thread

>>2064001
It might happen in a few decades with the introduction of resource-hunting on asteroids (which if I may remind you, aren't small chunks of fast moving rocks like in movies, but giant bits of almost immobile metals)

>>2063980
I see no problem with blowing up a quota of sandniggers.

>>2064028
At the expense of space travel? GTFO my /sci/.

>>2064031
they could still gather valuable information before aforementioned blowing up.

>>2064045
So... Send them to Mars, then blow them up?

>>2064028
Perhaps you should give Israel an ultimatum and make them give up most of their land or you will drop their protection, and stop having occupying forces full of dumbass Call of Duty-playing rednecks in their countries and they would lay off you?

Seriously. Do that and you've fixed like 99.9% of your Middle East problems.

Op is a selfish fag that wants to see someone in mars before he dies.

Living in mars at this time is like building a hotel in the middle of a desert and expecting people to go.

Cant you grasp how pathetic it is to send a man to mars and not bring him back alive?

>>2064064
>Implying mortality
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029

>>2064070

Stop spamming that crap already. Not really happening, even if it did, you wouldnt be able to pay for it. It would be privatized right away.

>>2064064
I'd go.

>>2064075
Oh don't get him started.

>>2064075
>massive demand
>free market and competition drives price down
>affordable to nearly everyone
And if that fails there's always the Tasmania Project

The reason we haven't gone back to the Moon is pretty simple, in my mind. Getting there and back is a huge pain in the ass for the chance to build the tools to make the setting to open up a new market. Putting it mildly, we aren't at a place where it's economically necessary to open up the Moon for...well, anything.

What exactly would we learn from spending tons of money to send a group of people to die on Mars?

I just want us to run out of metals here so we can start mining asteroids. Then the fun begins.

>>2064083

>>2064097
What does this face mean in this context?
Yes, I'm probably an asspie.

>>2064103
Don't know what it means either. I think it implies 'good plan' though, since its Inurdaes. I wish he'd start our technocracy already though :(