/sci/ - Science & Math

Fields of rocks are common on the planets we choose to land our probes on; imagine that.

I also find this completely awesome OP.

It's the 21st century and yet I still can't handle it. Fuck man, those are different planets! Planets other than Earth! Fuck!

The sun is so small on Mars, i wouldn't think of that.

Mars looks a lot like tatooine.

holy shit

>>2014817

those "rocks" you see on titan is actually frozen water, mars is dead and venus is too hot for anything else.

What's with all the weird colors and lighting? That's not what alien worlds look like, I should know I've seen every episode of Star Trek and Stargate SG-1. Where's the fir trees?

>>2014811

Why is the sky of Mars so hazy? I thought the atmosphere there was less than 1% the density of Earth's.

>>2014836
dust

>>2014820

fuck man I know right?
it's so interesting how you could look at these photos and see into literally another world, the 21st century better not disappoint!

*knock* *knock*
"Who's there"?
"NASA"?
"NASA who"?
"It's muther focking NASA. Do you want to take a one way trip to Mars and spend the rest of your days doing research for us on a desert planet where you will spend 4 years with 3 other people until we send 4 more and so on until we lose funding"?

Well, do you go?

Seeing pictures of other worlds, and thinking about a human or human device/machine on the surface of these worlds makes me want to scream like a little girl. Every time.

Shit gives me a raging nerd boner.

>>2014826
From Earth the Sun subtends about half a degree. From Mars the Sun would subtend a little under four tenths of a degree. It looks especially small in the picture because it was taken with a wide angle lens.

>>2014855
No. I'd only go if I get to do it alone. I'm not diluting my mad HEROIC HUMAN WHO BRAVED THE WAY TO MARS AND WHOSE BONES WILL FOREVER BE THE FIRST TO ADORN THE DUSTY RED SANDS props by sharing it with anyone.

>>2014855

Do I have time to put pants on?

Fuck it, you don't need pants in space.

>>2014855
"Three or four other people huh? Are any of them hot chicks?"

>>2014855

become one of the first space colonists?
be the first human to live on a different planet?
be known as the first pioneer of the last frontier?

if NASA asked me to do it without any pay, I'd fucking jump on it anyways.

>>2014864
>implyings aren't social animals, dependent on social contact for continued preoductivity and sanity
To yourself you would be sane, but NASA will have quite a few questions about the adornment of your quarters with dozens of rock scultpures of Matthew Broderick.

I thought about this a while ago, and I determined that the best way to propagate your genes and win at life is to have at least one son before going to Mars. When your son gets to tell everyone "my daddy died on Mars so that we may all know the glory of blazing a trail to a new world", he will get so much tang your multitudes of descendants shall cover the Earth.

>>2014861 four tenths of a degree
Three tenths at aphelion.

>>2014873
I don't understand the relevance of your post.

>>2014855
First chance I get I'm going. I don't care where they end me or who else is going.

>>2014811
Not very. Those worlds are all fucking boring. Go land in an alien city or something and I'll be interested.

Fuck, I thought Venus had volcanoes and stuff. Go probe one of those, not some barren rock field.

"This is NASA, would you like to-"
"YES"!
"But I didn't fini-"
*SLAM*
"Hello? Are you still there? Sir-"
"I'm write next to you."
"AAAAHAHHAGGG"!!!
"Where's my space suite"?

>>2014884
"I was just conducting a survey, sir. However, we would be very interested in studying the extreme acceleration and deceleration you just survived."

Wait... Did we already land bots on Venus and Titan? Since when?

>>2014880

you'll likely die before we get images of aliens and worlds outside our solar system.
they may be dead and barren, but they're a nice start..

>>2014890
"I'm already on Mars. So when do you send my space suite"?

>>2014895
"About 5 years. Would you mind coming back? You've just disproved almost every substantial theory about physics we have."

>>2014893
Huygens probe landed on Titan in 2007.
This video contains computer-generated terrain mapped with photographs taken from the probe during its descent.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PJEipHtz3yI

>>2014893

the soviets landed probes on venus during the 70's and 80's,
but none were able to stand the extreme pressure and conditions on venus and didn't last longer than a few hours.

NASA's Cassini launched a landing probe on Titan in 2004.

>>2014900
"Look down, now up. You're now on Mars too".

or 2004
i forget
time flies when you're trollan

>>2014904
So... How many times have we sent probes to Venus since then? And how recent?

>>2014910
http://www.planetary.org/explore/topics/venus/missions.html

You know, I'll do... 'anything' to go to Mars.
;)

>>2014904
Huygens was ESA though

>>2014915
Oh... Cool... But it seems to me that Slavs suck at space travel.

Fun bonus note: The Cassini-Huygens mission that landed a probe on Titan also used Venus for a gravity assist, and attempted to detect lightning in the atmosphere while doing so (it was not able to do so).

>>2014903
I came.

>>2014811

My god, I fucking love Venus. I don't know how you can love a planet, but I do.

Such an unfortunate thing, just a little farther from the sun and it may be supporting life. But, still, coolest planet; the surface just looks....awesome.

The sun rising on mars is beautiful too; it's so different than here.....so small. Would be amazing to see something like that in person; I for one would shed a tear.

Could Venus support extremophiles? Either the bacteria or whatever that can survive near our volcanos, or (theoretically) some other life that arose independently on Venus?

>>2014938
Even extremophiles need liquid water.

>>2014938

Yes, it very well could. It is pretty generally excepted that Venus, among others, support extremophile single celled life forms. Even Mars results are relatively inconclusive, considering the minuscule surface area we have covered.

>>2014930

actually that's a sunset, I think sunrise's on mars are more red.

It's totally normal to love a planet (or moon). Pic related, Enceladus is mai waifu. Just look at her lovely vapor eruptions...

why arent we spending more on unmanned missions. I want a solar powered plane on venus and a hot air blimp on titan

>>2014940

Not exactly true.

>>2014903
>>2014903

>>2014943

I meant to say COULD support. They may or may not be there, they just COULD be if they wanted too; and logic dictates they might.

Threads like make me depressed. I can believe that we have photos of other worlds. That's easy.

What I can't believe is that science enthusiasts are excited about it. Has everyone really set their sights so low that mere photos amaze them?

The dreams of the pioneers were that we would have a fully-fledged interplanetary civilisation by now. Instead we have a complacent world with a handful of enthusiasts in it who gawk at photos and then go back to twitter and facebook and never dream of what might have been.

Nice to see that /sci/ finds this awesome for once, and not talking about how space exploration is not profitable or crap like that.

>>2014956
>implying there aren't people in this thread who are studying to be scientists and engineers and physicists so they can be the next generation of pioneers to explore the system
>implying you've actually done anything for science besides complain

There was never a Venus landing. What the fuck?

>>2014945
Would look the same for both.

>>2014960
Come here after American children are sent to bed more often.

>>2014963
It was by the russians. Deud.

>>2014963

Yes there were. Several by Russia, and Several by America. Through it all we got a wealth of data (all of which confirmed if you stepped foot on the planet you would immediately vomit up all of your organs and then burst into flames), and several beautiful pictures of the surface.

Doesn't look like 10x the atmosphere does it? But that air will crush you too your bones.

>>2014969

*to

like it matters

>>2014969
>if you stepped foot on the planet you would immediately vomit up all of your organs and then burst into flames

Not necessarily in that order.

>>2014963
The Soviets landed 8...

>>2014969
Its actually x90 :)

>>2014974

Yeah my bad. I was thinking of something else, I know there is a planet/moon with 10x the atmos pressure.....can't remember which now haha.

>>2014963
the soviets launched the venera missions back in the 60's/70's/80's, several have landed so far from various nations and more are going to be sent in the future. Japan's supposed to be sending something there soon.

The surface of Venus looks like it could be a stage for both a dream and a nightmare.

First Mars.
Then Europa.
Then Venus.

>>2014976
Titan's is denser than Earth's but not by much. Apart from the gas giants, none of the other bodies have substantial atmospheres.

>>2014984
First we take Manhattan...

Moar Mars!

>>2014956

I think you misunderstand the enthusiasm. Sure, people/we get excited about "just" pictures of these places but there is a reason for that. It's a justification for those dreams, it's the first piece of the puzzle.

If we weren't able to get those pictures, how could we ever assume we were capable of anything else? Those images are verifications of what we could/should/will be able to do one day.

Accomplishment and merit are relative, I'd like to see what other astonishing breakthroughs in the field of space exploration that devalue these.

Full version of OPs mars pic.
If NASA asked, you know damn well I'd be all over that shit

Nasa faking it again?

>>2014956
>>2014956

think of it this way, we advanced much faster than we should've so far.
in the 1860's we were fighting slavery with muskets, all you had was your farm, your wagon and your family.
in the 1960's you we were landing on the moon, blowing up nuclear bombs and sending probes to foreign planets. And while this is all happening we're watching it on TV, Something that wouldn't have even been thought possible 100 years prior.
So it's not too far-fetched that we only have pictures right now of planets and not space colonies.

Maybe NASA will send a new probe to Venus too, if the SAGE mission is selected in the New Frontiers program. Expected lifetime after touchdown: 4-5 h.

I have a 22MB animated gif of a rover moving across the surface of mars.

Obviously too big to upload here, so have a moon instead.

>>2015008

1860's to 1960's is a easily the most insane period in human history. Look back at all of the developments and events that happened within the reach of a single human life.

Like this guy said, muskets and cabins to nukes and modern homes in under a century. Go humanity, we rock. We'd rock more if we could replace "nuke" with "cure for cancer".

>>2015021
By "more" you mean "less," of course.

>>2014984

You have the original? Buff up my soviet sunday folder.

>>2015021
I get the feeling the next few hundred years are going to be like the 1200's-1500's

There'll be progress, but nothing explosive like we've had last century.

>>2015026
I wouldn't be so sure of that.

>>2015021

You can't tell me the world wouldn't be a better place today if not only we had a cure for cancer, but atomic research was slow-cooked and designed for infrastructure purposes?

Look at what happened. We speed cooked the research; and now the whole world is scared shitless of anyone with the technology, and there are millions of pounds of weapons grade radioactive waste buried under mountains. Not to mention the majority of our nuclear resources go to war; simply to maintain the nukes we already have.

did Galileo ever actually get any good pics of Jupiter before it got completely raped?

pic related

>>2015028
Nuclear technology is world changing, and quite possibly the greatest use of science ever. A cure for cancer would just allow some people to live longer. Not much cool science there.

>>2015026

I respectfully disagree. Logic and knowledge growth are exponential. One peace of knowledge leads to three avenues, which each yield a piece of knowledge, which branches off into three more avenues, etc.

It never stops and once it reaches a point of unity, as we have in modern society, it will continue to advance exponentially until there is interruption.

We can't rule out some foolish world war halting and setting back worldwide development.

>>2015031
He was too chronistic to buy a camera.

>>2015008

In 1970 NASA was seeing Mars colonies by 1980, shortly before the Nixon administration shut down the Saturn V production lines. I wouldn't be so optimist..

Also it's weird to take pride in belonging to humanity ( >>2015021 ) while it's really a minority of it that is not apathetic towards space (on /sci/ as well). Besides:

http://home.ssl.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=36736

>>2015034

How is there not much cool science there? Cancer is caused by errors in DNA repair processes. Out DNA is getting broken and mutated all of the time, which causes our cells to undergo a repair process. Sometimes that process goes wrong and causes a complete mutation of the cell; which essentially turns it into it's own living entity, which causes your body to attack it. In return, the cancer cells speed up reproduction and start to spread in an attempt to fight back.

Cancer is basically a chunk of your body mutating and declaring independence; then inciting a revolutionary war within your own body. How is that not cool science?

>>2015043
It's cool science, sure. Not nearly as cool as actually fusing hydrogen atoms into helium to release massive amounts of energy, though.

>>2015041
Our culture is all kinds of fucked up.

Anti-intellectualism is glorified. It's cool to be stupid. Behaviorally we promote group-think, being different from the group gets you ostracized and ridiculed.

So you get people who see knowledge they don't know as "useless". They never had to learn it - why do you? Why can't you be more normal like them?

I really don't know if there's any way to change this part of humanity.

>>2014811

Woah...

OP... I know what you mean, man.

Shit.

That's fuckin' Venus man.

FUCKING.

VENUS.

Anybody else "celebrating" Carl Sagan Day?

>>2015058

Ahhh that's right, /sci/ spoilers don't work.

>>2015051

even with our culture the way it is, we're still advancing every year.
Computers are getting stronger, planes are getting bigger and safer, hell NASA is making a space telescope that will be able to tell us about galaxies on the OTHER side of the universe.
Also; you might be thinking about just americans.

>>2015062
Hopefully they will soon.

what the fuck! I thought OP was trolling, we put probes on venus and titan WOW!!!!!!

>>2015087
>mfw Inurdaes sends an email to moot with a saganized attachment
Imokaywiththistripfagfromnowon.jpeg

>>2014811

wow, i had no idea we had pics from venus. it's looks completely different than one would imagine, but also really beautiful. and titan too? wow i've been missing shit..

>>2015111
Pic related.

>>2015068
Oh fuckoff with that. Like there aren't brilliant scientists in America, and shithead Johns in every other country. I know from experience, that there's just as many meatheads and bimbos in my country as there are in the US.

>>2015122

I live in america...
this country is filled with shitty democrats and potheads.
we have as much money as the entire european union combined, but we put it towards pointless shit like pushing other countries around.

>>2015140
I don't think it's democrats or republicans that are the problem in particular. Just people who don't think for themselves in general. I don't think it's a cultural problem really, and if it is one it's common to almost every different culture across the globe.

>>2015140
That would be less the potheads fault and more your shitty government having the same broad social views and sucking corporate cock. Potheads wish to into space too. There have never been any studies conducted on the shapes and patterns of smoke in Lunar and Martian gravity.

>>2015140
>Spend money on pushing other countries around
>blames potheads and democrats

MFW

>>2015154
It's not like both America was brought in WW1 and WW2 by democrats, right?

>>2015152
that picture, its so true. Too much to handle.

>>2015152

OP here:
man smoking a shitload and researching all this stuff is the closest I'm gonna get to space, I would kill for the opportunity to set foot on something other than earth.

>>2015140
>>2015140

fuck you, potheads aren't an issue, stupid people in this country are though.

>>2015161
It's not like there was a major shift in the political associations of the left and right after WWII, right?

>>2015171
>researching all this stuff is the closest I'm gonna get to space
NOPE.avi
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029
http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes

>>2015179
WUT, anon you are my hero.

>>2015183
I try.

>>2015179

Just want to tell you that you are the best tripfag on 4chan.

>>2015192
I am grateful.

>>2015031
>>2015031


All it could do was send data of the local weather before getting buttfucked by the 150 Degree's celcius and the 230g's

>>2015202
>230g's
Fuck, you stop thinking about the gravitational pull of gas giants and then it hits you.

>>2015192
that speaks more to the abysmal quality of tripfags than it does to him being particularly good.

I was a tripfag once...

UnitedAsOneDividedByZero

But no longer.

>>2015179
>everybody's going to live forever and go to space

>>2015239

It's inexorable if we are in a position to advance technology, and you will see it in time as well.

Just hope that we don't have a global catastrophe in the next 20 years. Or cause one by misuse of something like nanotech

holy fuck is that really venus? thats one quality photo

>>2015218
The fact that you think people care that you were once a tripfag shows that you still think you need to be one.
Shut the fuck up.

>>2015179
even if that gets finished, cancer and heart related ailments will still kill us pretty early

>>2015188
Inurdaes is the best tripfag on /sci/.

>>2015179
just like how we were supposed to have flying cars 20 years ago, right?

>>2015027
Antarctica is superior.

>>2015179

>>2016214
>implying you must believe in the singularity to be a trans-humanist.

>>2014811

>Take huge bucket of oxygen
>Release on titan
>Light cig
>?????
>PROFIT

>>2014811

Very awesome.

wow what the fuck? we landed shit on titan?
sooooooo badass

Y'know, there is a reason for mankind to colonize space. It's the same reason Britain, France, Spain and Portugal colonized the Americas: resources. There are untapped resources in space that could support a popopulation of trillions. The moon has an abundance of Helium-3 in it's soil, which can be used to fuel clean fusion reactors, eliminating our reliance on fossil fuels. The asteroid belt has enough water and minerals to last the current world population almost indefinitely. Once we have exhausted most of our terrestrial resources combined with overpopulation we would have a damned good reason to colonize space. My only worry is that it might lead to some devastating conflicts in the future a la the One Year War.

I'm getting such a hard on for a Cowboy Bebop-type future right now

>>2017367

whats that from?

>>2017360

not to mention all the other elements we have yet to discover that will, no doubt be very valuable to us.

>>2017367
>>2017416
Doom, the video game

pretty awesome OP

>>2017360
i think we want to do it for the lulz

(seriously)

>>2017493
>>2017493

you know, laws don't exist in space either..

>post in this thread at 3 AM
>go to bed
>sleep 9 hours
>wake up at 12 PM
>make a hardy "breakfast" of eggs, hash brown, bacon, cinnamon toast, and orange juice
>take out trash
>watch Sunshine
>come back to 4chan
>same thread is still on front page of /sci/

I love you guys.

>>2017360
You forgot the Oort Cloud dude. Now THAT can support a population of trillions.

Here's a pic taken by a sacrifical probe that plunged through Jupiter's atmosphere.

>>2017562

I believe that's the same probe this(>>2015031) guy was talking about.

>>2017562

Wait is that a horizontal view of Jupiters atmosphere? If so that's fucking incredible.

>>2014811

where's mercurys surface pictures?

>>2017609

It is. And yes, it is fucking incredible.

>>2017631

So Jupiter has a blue sky. That's just, wow.

>>2017631

WOAH that is just... WOW..

>>2017663
Isn't it from Galileo before it entered the atmosphere? If not what probe is it?

I didn't know one could link to a post within text until (>>2017577) did it.

Also, 3.14159 internets to whomever can guess what this pic is supposed to mean. I might also post a wallpaper as a reward I suppose.

I have moments like that too, "Holy shit, these are actual pictures from a distant planet."

Fuckin' miracles

>>2015036
Answering an old post, but if you look at the rate of production increases and the technologies that come out of war (huge advances in aircraft, better oil production, for example) a world war may not be as devastating for the science community as you make it seem.

For the rest of the world, yes, which is the major problem.

Back to more directly on topic: This pictures are amazing. Seeing them, and pictures of the rest of the universe (hubble deep field for example) is what made me want to become an aerospace engineer.

Even without NASA the private space communities are helping tremendously.

>>2017562
>blue sky on Jupiter
Should have sent a poet.

>>2017687

I think it's Galileo shortly after it entered the atmosphere. The pic itself is of some of the upper layers of Jupiter's atmosphere.

All of this stuff is out there, but it doesn't capture anybody's attention because the missions take years (or even decades) to pull off. Hard to sustain enthusiasm on that timescale.

>>2017705
>>2017705

if I remember correctly, the last world war speeded up science.

>>2017729
That was, indeed, the point of my post

>>2015036
It is a common theory that technological progress is inherently exponential, I disagree... that is I disagree that it is INHERENTLY exponential.

Why would it be exponential? You bring up the idea that the more avenues of research we have the more quickly we advance, but having many things to study doesn't mean one has the ability to study them all simultaneously. The most obvious way to theoretically increase the rate of technological advancement is to increase either the number or researchers or the resources they have to carry out that research.

So, the actual reason rate technological development is increasing is because the world population is increasing, and along with it the number of researchers (scientists and engineers) generally increases. Current population size and the amount of resources we have are of course only possible due to our technological level, so it CAN be said that technology begets more technology, however that is only indirectly true. If, for example, humanity is forced to limit its population growth and the productivity is not increasing nor is the number of scientists and engineers then technological progress will become geometric rather than exponential.

tl;dr - Technological progress is not inherently exponential, but instead simply a function of the number or researchers and their funding.

>>2017705
I think the most devastating thing for what we want for science would be another heated war. Efforts would be directed toward weaponry and defense systems for sheer survival. In this age of military technology, another global war could very much mean the end of mankind.

>>2017738
>>2017729
>>2017705
It only increases technological progress in select areas. A lot of development in one area is simply more obvious than a little development in many fields.

And keep in mind, war destroys a lot of infrastructure, which decreases long term production capacity. War is such a horribly wasteful period in human history. The only benefit is it motivates populations to stop bying superfluous crap to make their lives more enjoyable and makes them more productive, but even then all that added productivity simply goes to making tanks which are subsequently destroyed or left to rust after the war.

>>2017759
I agree that it isn't inherently exponential, but you have to recognize that there are plenty of situations where one scientific or technologic (I realize it's not a word) breakthrough opens up many other opportunities for research and further advancement. Isn't that just one more way of phrasing the general goal of science? Figure out some shit to find out more shit?

>>2017782
If you are refferring to nukes, then yes. A direct war between two nuclear powers might very well brake mankind's legs and leave him for dead in a radioactive wasteland. However, nukes might ironically be have been such a game changer that is is their very existence that has kept us from WWIII.

That isn't to say I like nukes existing. I would find it horribly depressing to resign humanity to keeping a gun against its own head for the sake of peace. I hope that we can one day be rid of WMD's and still maintain a stable world political system. Which then leads me to the depressingly common dislike of the notion of a world government... Damn, this thread brought me up but my train of thought has brought me down. :(

>>2017827
>technologic (I realize it's not a word)

No, but technological is.

-ZINGED-

>>2017880
It's late, I'm stoned, not really thinking right now.

War will become less and less likely as material scarcity is overcome through increased efficiency and production.

Overcoming our dependence on fossil fuels will be a key stage in attaining a peaceful, stable future. This will occur over the next 30 years.

Technological development is exponential not because of the amount of people involved globally, or the degree to which they are financed, because we can see the same increases even within research teams.

New tools beget better efficiencies and so on.

The real revolution is occuring right at this moment, thanks to computers. Research across the world has hugely benefitted from the increase in computational power, but as most research takes several years, we will likely see the beginning of the next scientific revolution in the next decade.

This will be focussed around materials.

Moar venus

woah... totally forgot we landed on planets other than mars. Totally baked and the blew the hell out of my mind

>>2018001

man i would love to take a walk on that planet... to bad i'd be crushed, incinerated, and probably raped all at the same time. :(

>>2014811
imagine. Your feet, buried in the sand. It's hot and it stings a bit. It feels pretty rough and grainy.

You walk forward. Sharp, small rocks are easily avoided as you step over large slabs of stone jutting out from the surface and you shield your eyes as a gust of wind blows.

the sky is clear today. A bright off-blue, the sun is unclouded and beats down on you. Mars is a beautiful place,

>>2017562
>>2017631
>>2017609

OW MY FUCKING BRAIN, HOLY SHIT HOLY SHIT.

>>2015026

Not with the sandniggers and christians around to fuck things up.

>>2017562
I didn't even know this existed.

holy lord, tell me there is moar

0/10, looks like Detroit

>>2014811
that's mars, not titan.
Titan's atmosphere is way too dense.

>>2014820
imagine hundreds of years in the future where people on terraformed venus think back to a time where people "must have thought like this."

like how we look back on how somebody felt looking at electricity for the first time. Like, holy fuck.

>>2018268
All the proof you need that titan has been landed on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Titan_%28moon%29

>>2018268
let me tell you a bit about Titan.

Titan has a very very high pressure atmosphere. A while ago, while scanning the surface with radar they found these huge gaps in the returning signal. Big splotches, that could only be consistent with one thing- the mirrored surface of liquid. That's right, something was collecting in big lakes on Titan's surface. Research revealed it to be methane, liquid methane.

Where we have water on earth that exists in all three forms(solid, liquid and gaseous), methane exists on titan. All three forms. That's fuckin' nuts in itself. What's crazier is that all the same wonderful phenomena that spells for us also occurs on Titan, things like lakes, rivers, and of course, rain. Giant methane clouds on Titan rain giant, baseball-sized drops of methane onto it's surface. These giant drops, due to the pressure of the atmosphere, fall ever so slowly and softly, they float down like snowflakes to collect in these methane lakes. These huge rainclouds cover about a quarter of the planet at any given time. Scientists, because they're unoriginal fucks, call this "methane drizzle".

imagine SEEING that.

Why no love for Mercury?
Has there even been a probe on Mercury yet?

>>2018324
Too fucking hot to land there.

>>2017562
Oh my.. I was looking for that. Pics, videos of Galileo plunging into Jupiter and couldn't find any. Thank you so much anon if it's legit! In fact I can't find your source, it's not on wikipedia, nor iqdb, TinEye is down atm and "Galileo descent" still doesn't give anything.

Here, have some sardines.

And some Europa: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8meIS47Bno

>>2018328

Venus is hotter than Mercury.

>>2018324
Mercury sucks. "Messenger of the gods", HA!
Loser.

>>2018334
Closest bro to the sun.
U JELLY

>>2018332
Ok its true, so why the fuck haven't we landed there. I wanna see how large the sun looks on mercury.

>>2018342

Also Mercury has almost no seasons so there exists quite good tempered areas to land on. Reading up it seems that in March 2011 a probe will orbit, awesome.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MESSENGER
MESSENGER, Fuck yeah.
First close-up data on Mercury in 30 years, shit will be so cash.

I cannot believe we got fucking photos from venus

where sulfuric acid rains. IT RAINS FUCKING ACID

>>2018331
there's this....

>>2018379
Thank you but that's for the atmospheric probe (without camera) that detached itself at the beginning of the mission. It's photos from the final dive of the orbiter I'm looking for.

Here for clarity: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_probe#Galileo.27s_atmospheric_entry_probe
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galileo_probe#Galileo.27s_end

Motherfuckin' plumes of water vapor over Enceladus' surface.

Goddamn volcano on Io!

ALL OF YOU FAGGOTS

WATCH THIS FUCKING SERIES RIGHT NOW. DO IT

http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/wonders-of-the-solar-system/

your mind cannot handle this.

Please tell me I wasn't the only one who thought of this when I saw the bottom part of OP's venus photo

>>2017562
I call bullshit until you link me a source from NASA.

THERES IS A HEXAGON ON SATURNS!!! POLES!!!!!!

ITT: people realize that NASA ha actually been doing their job for the last 40 years.

>>2018543
but CNN would rather report on lady gaga wearing meat

(>>2018331 samefag)

>>2017609
Oh damn I'm disappointed. It's not what >>2017562 made it sound look like, it's just a pic from above:

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v444/n7116/full/444147a.html
http://www.windows2universe.org/php/postcard/postcard.php?topic=7

Thanks for reviving my hope though.

>>2018557
Huxley was right, we have become a trivial culture.

there is a monolith on Phobos.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith

>>2018574
It's the fucking phone booth from the Bill and Ted movies.

>>2018574
I have a strong urge to touch it.

>>2018586
ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL

>>2018564
GOD DAMN IT FUCK

well my mind was totally brutalized for the little moment in time I thought it was actually from within the atmosphere of Jupiter.... oh well :(

>>2018574
It looks like a juicy puss-filled pore on the the mutant adolescent face of phobos.
And now you are aware of what word I used twice in my sentence.

>>2018574
I have no issue with this.

>>2018574
Looks like poor craftsmanship, it isn't a perfect rectangle. Who wants to know aliens that don't fucking know geometry?

>>2018651
Lol wtf, why did I laugh so hard at that .gif??

>this thread

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OH DEAR LORD MORE PICTURES MORMOEMROEMROEMROEMORMEORMOEMROEMORMEOMROEMO!

You now realize there are hundreds of people on 4chan alone willing to sacrifice their lives for the progess of science.

>>2018733
Why doesn't NASA utilize us!? Is it transportation costs?

>>2015021 1860
>muskets and cabins

I think you mean rifles. The 1860s weren't the Renaissance period.

>>2018743
Public won't fund suicide missions.

>>2018543
They only get ~$0.005 per tax dollar don't they?
I hear Tyson say that all the time...

What about those guys isolated just to simulate a trip to Mars? Does anybody know when will the operation be over? I'd like to know the outcome (how will those guys react, psychologically speaking).

>>2018629

Take it for what you will, but this site has it as being a shot of the Jovian atmosphere from just inside the upper atmosphere by a descender probe: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2009/10/29/797043/-Photo-Tour-of-The-Solar-System-%28Part-1%29

I assume it was Galileo because I don't recall any other probes actually descending into Jupiter's atmosphere. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that it's just a pic taken from above, but I'd rather live with the fantasy if it was.

The rest of the pics on that link are fantastic and totally appropriate for this thread.

>>2017690
Dyson sphere my sci fellow.

>>2017690
i want my price.

>>2017690
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyson_sphere ?

>>2018758
No christian fundies won't fund suicide.

I like how dying anywhere other than Earth is considered "suicide".

wow... OP here, I'm damn suprised this thread's still up, let alone on the first page! I think I posted it at 1 last night.

>>2018324
there's nothing interesting there, we can already see the surface of mercury due to its lack of atmosphere.

>>2018268
it's a photo from ESA's Huygens probe which landed on titan in 2005.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huygens_probe

>>2018949
I thought it was the assumption it would not be a return mission.....

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>>2018963
Exactly.
If you're accommodated for, and you're okay with not returning to Earth, why is it suicide?

>>2018967
>implying I was referring to Jesus I am well aware of this

That's why I used the word fundie

>>2018949


Yes we do. But only WITH ALL OUR HATE.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Doolittle#The_Doolittle_Raid

Unless Mars attacks us, we will not be launching one way Mars missions for now.

>>2018629

It is.

I have gazed at these pictures for years and still feel the same awe now that I did then.

I LOVE MATH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>2018975

the way people look at it, if you're never coming back to this world you're pretty much dead.

>>2019084
Yes, and I'm saying that's dumb.

>>2018949
Well it does pretty much guarantee that your biological material will never live again.

>>2018535
And... it rotates!

>>2019274
I was thinking of this comic.....

you are here

>>2019836

is that from one of the voyager or pioneer missions?
god it's weird to see us that far away and so small..

This thread just made me realize something. I didn't read all of it, so forgive me if this idea was already proposed but!

Imagine for a moment here that NASA's budget is currently sufficient enough so that after many years of development (say a decade) we have the means to send a team to Mars but no way to get them back. NASA then sends that team to Mars. It takes a year and a half to get there, and their systems can support life for up to four years.

Now because the budget (assuming it hasn't gone up or done) only allows a team to get to Mars once every ten years, it would be impossible to retrieve this group of people. Couldn't NASA actually gain an extremely strong position in the government through strong arming the budget?

No President would want to be known as the guy "who let those dudes die on Mars". It is awful press, awful for reelection, awful for pretty much everything. So in an emergency assembly wouldn't it be possible to get them (the government) to sign off on a much larger budget with much more security?

>>2019914
That's brilliant and evil.

>>2019919

It maybe evil, but fuck them for fucking NASA over so many times. I swear, if the government ever started in on DARPA I'd leave this country.

>>2019914

you can thank bush for canning the mars project for like the next 10 years

>>2014947
Because Bush spend it all and more than he had on the "war".

>>2019914
Sounds like you just watched the movie "Moon" with Sam Rockwell.

Except in the movie, a new Sam Rockwell was awaken from the chamber while the previous Sam Rockwell died and the clean-up team from earth came to retrieve the bod before the newly awaken Sam meet his previous self.

Also aswell, in the movie Sam's character didn't have any external feed to the outside world. So there would be no media coverage.

NASA couldn't strong arm anything. There a bunch of brilliant scientist not brutal jar heads.

Lets assume their was, now if the government was supposedly able to fake the moon landing. Its possible they could fake a rescue from mars; letting the individual actually stuck on the planet wither away and die.

>>2019968

You're crazy right?

You are assuming that the media (even Fox) would just let the sitting President would ignore an ongoing story like this? Assuming that there would be some level of live broadcast going on.

This isn't thinking with crazy cloning fantasy terms, but just sending a team to Mars and then keeping them there for four years.

>>2018574

Th-That's no monolith.


That's rounded on the top, slightly.

It's.

It's the TARDIS

DOCTOR WHO ON PHOBOS!

Wow, sci must be slow. This thread was going when i went to be last night.

>>2018241
>imagine. Your feet, buried in the sand. It's hot and it stings a bit. It feels pretty rough and grainy.

>You walk forward. Sharp, small rocks are easily avoided as you step over large slabs of stone jutting out from the surface and you shield your eyes as a gust of wind blows.

>the sky is clear today. A bright off-blue, the sun is unclouded and beats down on you. Mars is a beautiful place,

Then your eyes start to burst out of their sockets, you can't breathe and your tongue starts to stick out of your mouth and finally after 2 minutes or excruciating agonizing pain your head just explodes.

>>2020148

Yeah, haven't you faggots watched Total Recall? God damn idiots, all you have to do is find the alien oxygen factory and turn it on by pretending your hand is shaped like an alien's hand.

>>2020162
I <span class="math">\bf{totally}[/spoiler] didn't <span class="math">\bf{recall}[/spoiler] seeing that movie.

cwutididthar?

>>2018574

Zoom in on the original image yourself. Notice something missing?

Yeah, that square "top" on the zoomed-in copy of the picture doesn't fucking exist.

>>2019836
>image grainy as shit
>implying a dot on it is ANYTHING

>>2020208
>I'm 12 and what is this

Why Billy, that's a photo of Earth taken by Voyager 1 in 1990 at a distance of 3.7 billion miles.

It's grainy because the camera was built in 1976.

>>2020236
>Im 10 and I'm a douche

Why Tim, just because The picture is grainy and there's this random dot among dots that looks slightly different from the others doesn't mean that that grain is actually "earth".

Come back when you take 7th grade photography.

>>2020321
hi /b/, go back home.

>>2020321

I giggled at the incremental oneupmanship, but still:

not sure if it has been mentioned yet, but those images of Venus aren't true or false colour....they are just random colours chosen to represent light and darkness. IIRC, the colour filter/sensor/antenna got damaged, so no one really knows what Venus' atmosphere looks like from the ground

>>2020405

The color filter isn't necessarily needed. You just blue, red, and green shift the black and white images.

>>2020405

The color filter isn't necessarily needed. You just blue, red, and yellow shift the black and white images.

if anon is interested:

www[dot]mentallandscape[dot]com/

It has A TON of images from the Soviet space program, including Venus, their rovers in the Moon, and so on. Extensive research regarding their hardware as well.

>>2020414

THE MIGHTY SOVIET SATELLITES

>>2019847
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pale_Blue_Dot

>>2020414

+1 internets

more Venus

>>2020408 The color filter isn't necessarily needed. You just blue, red, and yellow shift the black and white images.

This is the reason why everyone thought the sky of Mars was red until just a few years ago.

>>2020517

More like a light pink.

>>2020517
The sky of mars is red.

My "therapist" asked me what I wanted to accomplish in my lifetime, as in the larger goals, like starting a family or owning a house or whatever the fuck American dream shit.

I simply said, "Finish college and go into space."
She responded, "Well going into space costs-"
Me: "I don't mean going into orbit and being all zero-grav for a bit then coming back to earth, what's the point of that?"
Her: "So you want to finish college."

tl;dr "Normal" people think colonizing space and leaving this planet and not coming back is delusional, ridiculous, and not worthy of being a life goal.

>>2020630
I am a calm man, and this absolutely fucking infuriates me.

>>2020630
Well, this is where normal people have an advantage over people who read too much scifi.

>>2020630
Don't worry. Just make sure you can track her down and give her the biggest ever I-told-you-so when it happens.

>>2020645
http://www.hplusmagazine.com/articles/forever-young/manhattan-beach-project-end-aging-2029
http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4799369.ece
http://ants.gsfc.nasa.gov/pam.html

>>2020640
I know. It infuriates me, too. We are actually at a point where space IS the future of discovery. While everyone down here is shaking their sticks at each other, I want to put human curiosity to use (the best learning tool we are equipped with, IMO- well, besides our brains, but that goes without saying) and make people realize how BIG the universe really is and we don't know shit about it. How is a desire to push future tech to its limits and maybe try to venture out of the warmth of our fire into the dark of the woods a bad thing?

>>2020645
Funnily enough, most sci-fi I enjoy is pre-home computer scifi because most of it just seems (barely) modern when it comes to technology.

>>2020660
Personally, I want to light up new torches.

>>2020660
I love the tech in Ender's Game. There's nothing in that book that isn't entirely possible today, aside from the Ansible and Little Doctor.

>>2020668
And I want to search for extraterrestrial life.

>>2020668
Yeah but leaving Earth and not coming back is obviously crazy, not to mention LIVING ON OTHER PLANETS, EVER, LOL.

>>2020658
like I said.

>>2020687

>>2020687
People live in space stations for months at a time. Wouldn't living on another planet be easier than that?

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You may be easily trolled, /sci/, but you're also pretty awesome.

>>2020660
Yeah, it would be cool if the human race populated the whole galaxy... and other galaxies too. I'm all for taking the long view. Still, someone setting their personal goal as colonizing space, in this day and age, is incredibly unrealistic. It's not something that an individual can make happen by themselves, and in the wishful scenario that the moon or mars gets a colony in any of our lifetimes, it will only be a handful of people out of billions.

As for the fucking immortality fantasy, give it up. Even if aging is ever "cured", 99.99% of the population won't live a day longer, as it's not a cure for fucking heart disease or cancer.

>>2020718
>get cure for aging
>thinks we are further than 15 years for cures for both of them

2010 /= future

>>2020694
Hardly. People live in space stations because they can be resupplied every couple months. You could theoretically do the same thing with a moon base, though it's a lot more expensive. You could not do the same thing with a planetary base.

>>2014811
Wait
WAIT
When the hell did we into venus?

>>2020718
you're an idiot.
a cure for aging is not what you think it is. its not a fucking pill you take and you live forever. its a process. the 'cure' for aging is just to make sure this process exceeds an escape velocity, so we are always coming up with more cures and treatments compared to the rate people are dying.

>>2020722
What's the point of rejecting religion, if you're just going to latch on to a different set of irrational beliefs?

>>2020724
All you need is a bigger ship.

>>2020734
Could I please have your first and last name so I can take a flight to your future residence and rub it in your face later on?

>>2020724
I'm considering building a sealed greenhouse or terrarium with limited light to see how easy it is to make planetary colonies sustainable when it comes to oxygen and food. Worst case scenario we have to use hydroponics powered by solar panels across a larger area.

>>2020733
That made no fucking sense. I think you have no idea what aging research is about. Suffice it to say that you are retarded and you are not going to live forever.

This thread as nearly been going for over 24hours. Good work /sci/. Lets keep it going.

>>2020669
These could be done to a certain extent. The little doctor could be done by using an antimatter bomb or the grey goo scenario.
Not exactly the same, but similar.
The Ansible could be done if we could figure out a way to bypass quark confinement. Once thats done, instant communication over immensely long distances will be possible which excites me to no end!
You could have internet VS. matches with no lag between a kid on Europa and a kid on Earth!

>>2020737
If you're going to live without resupply for 2 1/2 years, you need more than a "bigger ship".

>>2020742
What a wonderful, thought out response.
Until you can conclusively prove that it is absolutely impossible to regenerate the human body back into youth, then no dice. People have already tried with Aubrey.

>>2020741
Ever hear of biosphere? Shit's not easy. By all means, work on solving the problem though.

>>2020749
No really. A bigger ship. Constructed to provide artificial gravity in most of the ship. Much of the ship is hydroponics to produce oxygen and food. Most waste is recycled. Trace minerals can be collected if in orbit or passing through a small cloud of asteroids or something.

>>2020753
Sure thing. I don't expect it to be easy. A large part of this experiment is to see how well the Gaia hypothesis applies to radical changes in conditions to smaller environments.

Immortality doesn't require the ability to continuously regenerate all the organs and systems in the body, only the brain. The others can be swapped out wholesale, as long as you can grow them out and hook them up. There are challenges to both of these steps, but continuous regeneration is not the only way toward bodily immortality.

>>2020750
The retard thinks that anti-aging research means curing all diseases faster than people can die, which doesn't even make sense.

>Until you can conclusively prove that it is absolutely impossible to regenerate the human body back into youth, then no dice. People have already tried with Aubrey.
Wat? Young people still get heart disease and cancer. That's my fucking point. People don't die of "old age". The fact that you're going to believe your immortality fantasy unless I can "conclusively prove that it is absolutely impossible" is also precisely what I'm talking about. You're nothing but a religious fanatic.

Who the fucking hell is Aubrey?

>>2020756
No one has ever been able to create a self-contained system on earth. Even building on a scale larger than any ship that could be launched from the earth's surface. If what you're talking about is ever done, it will be hundreds of years from now.

>>2020765
>Wat? Young people still get heart disease and cancer. That's my fucking point.
You're applying a 2010 problem to a 2030 timeline.
>People don't die of "old age".
They die of complications caused by the deterioration in cells while aging.
>The fact that you're going to believe your immortality fantasy unless I can "conclusively prove that it is absolutely impossible" is also precisely what I'm talking about. You're nothing but a religious fanatic.
Not an argument.

>Who the fucking hell is Aubrey?
And this is why you are not to be taken seriously.
http://www.sens.org/sens-research/research-themes
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#

>>2020770
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/science/article4799369.ece

Assembly in GEO.

>>2020535 The sky of mars is red.

Only on certain times of the day during certain times of its year. You know, just like on earth. If you disagree then show me some true-color photographs of Mars red sky. Yeah, didn't think so.

>>2020772
>aubrey-de-grey[1].jpg
Oh right, your immortality prophet. LMAO
>People have already tried with Aubrey.
Still have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

>>2020776
Space elevator is also scifi. Maybe it will be reality one day. But stuff we don't currently know how to do is by definition scifi. You can't know if it will ever happen, much less when.

>>2020742
Feel free to prove him wrong, faggot.

Why dismiss something before we even try? Even if it doesn't happen within OUR lifetime (though I can still vainly hope I can upload my mind into a kickass cyborg) doesn't mean we shouldn't start laying the cobblestones for future generations to tread upon.

I mean just look at the OP's pictures. THERE IS NOTHING ON THOSE PLANETS. They are NEW. They are UNTOUCHED. (Speaking from a purely human perspective, of course.) What else do we need to know?

It's like being a Viking departing for Newfoundland. Except, you know, in space.

>>2020772
>>2020783
You and You, shut the fuck and be more objective with your arguments. This is fucking /sci/ not /b/. Obviously both of you don't give a shit about the others idea, and yet you both and trying to convert each other to your side of thought. Knock it off.

>>2020772
>http://www.sens.org

These people have future technology "planned" way too concretely. There are many avenues that could lead toward the goal of immortality, in fact, it requires the confluence of much of medical science. There are many apparently possible paths toward the goal, but relative feasibility will have to sort itself out in the attempt. Their little roadmap is good for inspiring discussion, perhaps, but it's far from authoritative. I have my own ideas about how it will come about, and they don't really have enough substantive reasoning to make me substitute theirs.

>>2020782

>>2020794
I'm very interested in reasonable ideas, including research into aging. It's just when people have religious beliefs in future technology that it becomes ridiculous

>>2020794
Well sorr-eeeh, but it's annoying when some deliberately cynical and seemingly less informed
individual is like LOL NO UR STOOPID.
>>2020795
I don't believe the exact way they're talking about will come about either. But interest will start to rise dramatically once successful trials on mice or some other mammal shows rejuvenation.

>>2020789
I can't prove him wrong, because he made no cohesive statement.

>>2020809
Don't try to feign resonablility, mr. everyone-under-40-will-live-forever.

wow I remember seeing this up last night, good job /sci/!
posting in epic bread:D

>>2020782
>one of those conspiracy theorists who thinks NASA is hiding the true color of mars.

>>2020718
>implying a shitload of diseases don't come from our organs breaking down due to aging
I'm not arguing that some people die at a young age, but most old people who get sick get sick because of aging/unhealthy lifestyle.

>>2020795
Immortality is a horrible goal though. All the actual research is good medical research. And the idea of immortality is kind of a joke, because it is so far out of reach at this point. But if immortality ever DID become possible, it would be a huge problem in terms of the continuation of society. There's no risk of it becoming an issue any time soon.

>>2020772
>Calls minor science celeb Aubrey de Grey by first name.
>People who don't know wtf he's talking about are not to be taken seriously.
Lulz

WUT

>>2020862

immortality=overpopulation in a matter of years.

>>2020772
>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3329065877451441972#
Just watched this video. How can you watch this video and justify being an Aubrey de Grey follower? This isn't science. Seriously, how can you justify this?

>>2014811
>>2014811

I think this is incredibly sick as well op