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I'd like to provide a little bit of scientific variety for the weekend. Lets talk about music. Why do we like some forms and not others? Music theory discussion, tips, explanations, etc... Music is very mathematical, so quantifiable explanations are a welcome consequence.
I figure this should be some fun, as it isn't the typical chemistry, computer science, mathematics, or trolling thread.

>> No.1969131

Music is fucking awesome, because it's the place where the absolute logic of the frequencies and harmonics meet the emotion carried through it. It's a fundamental piece of humanity, in my opinion.

>> No.1969134

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fr-iawLvNr4&feature=related

>> No.1969158

I don't think I am happier than when I am screaming along to my favorite songs (I don't think I can in good faith call what I do singing).

Favorte genres: Ska, Alternative Rock, and pretty much anything with good vocals.

>> No.1969227
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>>1969134
thanks anon, loving the song. :)

>> No.1969291

http://www.newgrounds.com/audio/listen/366918

>> No.1969304

>>1969291
thanks :)

>> No.1969325

Music that takes talent to preform. No ridiculous distortion that hides mistakes or why every time you go into guitar center there is some neck beard shredding and thinking he is awesome.

Nothing overly repetitive which is why I don't like most techno.

Instrumental and vocal harmony is important. How well can your play and write for multiple instruments? Singing can be omitted if you're a talented enough player to essentially allow the instruments sing for you so good solos are also important (and not necessarily fast and repetitive).

Just a few of my thoughts on music.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SEULZIHru0

>> No.1969353

"What!? Excuse me sir? Could you explain the part where molecules of air from YOUR mouth go INTO my ear!?"

>> No.1969375

>Music is very mathematical, so quantifiable explanations are a welcome consequence.
When was the last time a mathematician composed something faggot?

>> No.1969393

>>1969375

No one made a claim such as that.

>> No.1969620

>>1969375

errrr bach, mozart. any 2nd grader would tell you that.

>> No.1969827

>>1969393
I, OP, made that claim.
Music IS mathematical. No question.

>> No.1969838

I did a brief course on music history once. There was some early 20th century composer who was primarily a mathematician, can't remember his name.

>> No.1969849

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EyI4p0yjDQ

From the country that brings you unspellable volcanos, Sigur Ros.

>> No.1969861

>>1969375
>When was the last time a mathematician composed something faggot?
goto google
type composer mathematician, search
??????
PROFIT

>> No.1969956

pythagoras was the first to ever claim that music is mathemathical and he prooved it pretty well,
but what each and every people like is up to the impressions in the past time and/or maby some biological factors.

>> No.1969969

>>1969227
ZOMGitscriss is super nice, i've chatted with her on t1nych4t a few times.

music is pretty much where our brain's pattern-recognition and pleasure centers explosively orgasm together. I would love to see neuroscience about the brain-state of those listening to a favorite song.

>> No.1969978

>>1969956
a study on the brain differences of members of several music fandoms? that sounds like a capital idea!

>> No.1969994

So, when we are at the subject, why do I love black metal but really dislike the mainstream music such as lady gaga and so on?

Liking mainstream music will let me as a human into a bigger group, with more humans around me and therefore a bigger chance of me reproducing, which is the ultimate goal of my life?

>> No.1969997

>>1969969
Be honest. You just want to fuck her like a Romanian slave child.

>> No.1970011

>>1969997
I won't lie, she is catastrophically hot, but I also like talking to her and listening to her perspective on things like religious/political violence and the right to die. i usually talk to her in inmendham's room on st1ck4m, swing by sometime

>> No.1970045

Bump

>> No.1970952

>>1970011
I find her to be unoriginal and quite annoying on the topic of religion. I watched a "Mohammad" video done by her and...she really isn't funny or clever at all. It's not like these points haven't been discussed before. She just comes across as a really bitchy, full of her self feminist, and that pisses me off.

But then again, she is just some Romanian bitch on youtube, so who gives a shit. She'll likely be trafficked soon enough anyway.

>> No.1971037

"music" is mathematical, given. music is inherently sound which has desirable characteristics as interpreted by a person. So what makes sound characteristics desirable?

People have innate sound receptors. While sound in a medium has some semblance of mathematical beauty, the subsequent vibrations in a thin membrane require that beauty.

Desirable music that is wonderful math is more of an evolutionary deal. Harmonic frequencies in the eardrum are stronger, and a nervous system would be more attuned to them. Progressions of sound that we deem desirable are also the result of a nervous system which grows to a similar stimulus.

in short, beautiful music is mathematical because our brains interpret the beautiful mathematics of harmonic vibrations in our eardrums as music.

Music then becomes an intellectual construct that is subject to preference. but even if you don't like a certain type of music, it is still easily recognizable as music rather than random noise.

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>>1971037

>as music rather than random noise

come at me bro

>> No.1971082

>>1969131
Yeah, like architecture, arabesque mosaics, and some abstract art music relies on mathematics for its beauty (and not in the simple manner in which the composition of paintings is related to shape)

>> No.1973263

>>1969227
>>1969227
>>1969227
I posted that like yesterday and i'm glad you enjoyed the song :)

>> No.1973279

>>1969620
Mozart and Bach were not mathematicians

>> No.1973296

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nz0b4STz1lo#t=2m55s

>> No.1973309

>>1969375
/mu/ here:

Take any dodecaphonist composer. Case in point.

>> No.1973322

>>1969375
Xenakis counts. In fact he incorporated many mathematical concepts in his music.

>> No.1973323

>>1973309
See, I would have posted this in /mu/, but I was going for a more objectified discussion. Nothing but 14 year olds on /sci/ I guess.

>> No.1973364

Give me a scientific reason why Justin Bieber isn't good music.

>> No.1973372

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6s49OKp6aE

>> No.1973383

>>1973364
Because he's a faggot.